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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:43:00 -
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Seriously... 
They use up tonnes of room (10m3!) and refine into pretty much nothing at all. Getting them from salvage is nothing but an annoyance since you have to jettison them all the time. Seems as though their only purpose is to make fun of you ...
Methinks they should be removed from the game entirely, or use the same volume as normal salvage since they serve no actual purpose whatsoever, and only certain wreck types drop them.
thoughts?
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Benco97
Exchangable Properties
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:52:00 -
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Nothing crushes young dreams so much as to wait patiently for your salvagers to reel in some goods only to find you have a cargohold full of Scrap metal.
It's downright depressing.
 Originally by: Kirjava
This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
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Quesa
Shadows of Valor
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:54:00 -
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You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while.
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Benco97
Exchangable Properties
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Quesa
You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while.
No, it's more like we're picking through the trash for the goodies as opposed to cleaning the trash away. If I only want the goodies then why do my salvagers pick up the trash anyway? It's not like mining lasers sometimes just shoot out a load of mud into your cargohold.
Originally by: Kirjava
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:30:00 -
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I think scrap metal parts should be a required part to recieve missions from a cloaked agent, later proving to be an android in service of rogue drones.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Wadaya
Trailerpark Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:39:00 -
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Metal Scraps are not salvage, although you do get them from salvaging. They were in the game long before salvaging and rigs were introduced.
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Evelyn Murphy
Khaos Heavy Industries
Order of Khaos
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wadaya
Metal Scraps are not salvage, although you do get them from salvaging. They were in the game long before salvaging and rigs were introduced.
Yep and they were useless back then too. I second this motion. Scraps need to either have their volume reduced, minerals gained from refining increased, or just done away with. Is more an annoyance than anything. Getting those messages where you don't have enough cargo space to salvage when you have 50+ m3 open. It's quite annoying.
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Jacob Mei
Slacker Industries Limited
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Quesa
You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while.
If thats the case they should throw in other useless loot of a comedic level. 10m3 units of toliets, garbage, the occasional thing of illegal medical waste....
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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:02:00 -
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I 100% agree with this...
Metal scraps FTL
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Treelox
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:15:00 -
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WTB metal scraps 10isk ea, pickup included, just contract to me.
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Nyabinghi
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nyabinghi on 20/03/2008 04:20:54
Metal scraps are like the new cap boosters. It's all meant to fill up your cargo and slow you down. On a side note why are combat ships in missions dropping Miner 1s? How is it I can take a serious beating in a mission and when I look at the loot it's civilian shield boosters and standard missile launchers? And no it's not my crappy tank and DPS :p.
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Treelox
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nyabinghi
How is it I can take a serious beating in a mission and when I look at the loot it's civilian shield boosters and standard missile launchers?
Same reason you see killmails where Dreads have civilian shield boosters fitted, seriously NPC's must have noobs too.
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Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Quesa
You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while.
I won't have an issue when I can salvage Britteny or X-tina.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Quesa
You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while.
If thats the case they should throw in other useless loot of a comedic level. 10m3 units of toliets, garbage, the occasional thing of illegal medical waste....
That would be awesome. Fun to collect.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:24:00 -
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I agree. Nerf metal scraps for all of the reasons listed above -- and because they are overpowered as they currently stand!
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Luh Windan
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.20 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Seriously...
Seems as though their only purpose is to make fun of you ...
thoughts?
I assumed that that is exactly what they are for. I strongly do not agree with taking them away even though they are pointless - because Eve is not meant to be all easy and nice. Being attacked: pita, Gatecamps: pita , Metal scraps: pita ,etc. etc. Ok they are pretty trivial in the scheme of things but they fit well with the 'life is not a bed of roses' theme of Eve.
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Asuka Smith
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.20 07:34:00 -
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I am all about making EVE hard but not a "feature" where the only "feature" part of it is a time sink. I like to make the competitive things hard, so if you get good at it you have an advantage. No one is winning with metal scraps, not even CCP as all those cans people jettison them into in missions hubs has to cause lag.
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.03.20 08:28:00 -
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If you collect 5000 of them you are able to build a Tempest.
No joke! It's the secret build requirement on the BPO.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.20 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/03/2008 08:34:48
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
If you collect 5000 of them you are able to build a Tempest.
No joke! It's the secret build requirement on the BPO.
This sounded so ridiculous I had to try it. I bought 5000 metal scraps and put them in a hangar with my Tempest BPC and lo and behold, Larkonis is absolutely right. Makes one wonder what other kind of secret build requirements some coder put into the game. Things done for the lulz have benefited Tempest builders on this day.
edit: and this isn't even a joke about the Tempest being a pile of scrapmetal.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.20 08:52:00 -
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at least you can refine them now .. never used to be possible
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Yllaer Dessip
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Posted - 2008.03.21 09:41:00 -
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Proof or its a lie.
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.03.21 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 21/03/2008 13:02:32
There is a stargate in a mission that gives 250 scrap metal or so when you blow it up. Talk about laughing in your face.
Anyway in short I like the idea of Metal Scraps. However it should be changed. Size is an issue for the super small reprocess. Either make them drop maybe 10000 trit on reprocess or so. Or make them very small and increase their droprate alot.
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Jacob Holland
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2008.03.21 13:28:00 -
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Personally I like Metal Scraps as is.
Salvage materials may be very valuable but they are, after all, just junk, garbage, detritous. Your salvagers pull everything of value out of a wreck, just because you rate the value of the metal scraps as lower than the trouble involved in hauling them doesn't negate their inherant value.
The only thing I might agree with is the annoyance value of having salvagers shut off because a dose of metal scraps has used up too much hold space to allow you to continue but I would suggest the solution to that is simply to have any salvage which won't fit in your hold drop in the can when the wreck disappears in the same way as loot does.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.22 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Holland
just because you rate the value of the metal scraps as lower than the trouble involved in hauling them doesn't negate their inherant value.
a full cargohold of Metal Scraps would yield you about 2,000-4,000 ISK (depending on the size of your cargo). I wouldn't call that 'valuable' in any way, considering a refineable module such as a large turret uses up only twice as much room and can be worth anything up to 1,000,000 ISK.
I would much rather take home 5mil ISK worth of refineable modules and 5mil ISK of Salvage, than 4,000 ISK of metal scraps. They arn't 'valuable' by any standard.
If however they dropped a much larger quantity of minerals, or used so little room it didn't matter, (or didn't exist at all) it wouldn't be nearly as bad, IMO.
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Callista Praetorian
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.22 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Callista Praetorian on 22/03/2008 00:24:17
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Mincham
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.22 00:27:00 -
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Does having metal scraps appear when salvaging potentially cut down on macro salvagers?
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L70Rogue
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.22 00:44:00 -
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Al Thorr
The Wheel
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Posted - 2008.03.22 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mincham
Does having metal scraps appear when salvaging potentially cut down on macro salvagers?
of course .But if you are playing 'there and then', there should be no problem. ( inho)
after-all if you dont notice your cargo hold getting full . for no apparent reason . apart from metal scraps you deserve everything that happens.
Regards
Al Thorr
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.03.22 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Al Thorr
Originally by: Mincham
Does having metal scraps appear when salvaging potentially cut down on macro salvagers?
of course .But if you are playing 'there and then', there should be no problem. ( inho)
after-all if you dont notice your cargo hold getting full . for no apparent reason . apart from metal scraps you deserve everything that happens.
Regards
Al Thorr
That would be all well if you could jettison a can at any time you wanted. There's a timer that keeps you from doing that more than once every few minutes, so if you're moving around the place salvaging several wrecks at a time, you'll often find yourself with a cargohold full of scrap metal you can't get rid of fast.
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Bazuka
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.22 01:04:00 -
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I support the proposed nerf of the evil scrap metals.
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