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Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.20 02:43:00 - [1] Seriously... They use up tonnes of room (10m3!) and refine into pretty much nothing at all. Getting them from salvage is nothing but an annoyance since you have to jettison them all the time. Seems as though their only purpose is to make fun of you ... Methinks they should be removed from the game entirely, or use the same volume as normal salvage since they serve no actual purpose whatsoever, and only certain wreck types drop them. thoughts? ...
Benco97 Exchangable Properties	Posted - 2008.03.20 02:52:00 - [2] Nothing crushes young dreams so much as to wait patiently for your salvagers to reel in some goods only to find you have a cargohold full of Scrap metal. It's downright depressing. Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
Quesa Shadows of Valor Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.20 02:54:00 - [3] You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while.
Benco97 Exchangable Properties	Posted - 2008.03.20 02:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Quesa You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while. No, it's more like we're picking through the trash for the goodies as opposed to cleaning the trash away. If I only want the goodies then why do my salvagers pick up the trash anyway? It's not like mining lasers sometimes just shoot out a load of mud into your cargohold. Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.03.20 03:30:00 - [5] I think scrap metal parts should be a required part to recieve missions from a cloaked agent, later proving to be an android in service of rogue drones. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.03.20 03:39:00 - [6] Metal Scraps are not salvage, although you do get them from salvaging. They were in the game long before salvaging and rigs were introduced. Wad
Evelyn Murphy Khaos Heavy Industries Order of Khaos	Posted - 2008.03.20 03:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Wadaya Metal Scraps are not salvage, although you do get them from salvaging. They were in the game long before salvaging and rigs were introduced. Yep and they were useless back then too. I second this motion. Scraps need to either have their volume reduced, minerals gained from refining increased, or just done away with. Is more an annoyance than anything. Getting those messages where you don't have enough cargo space to salvage when you have 50+ m3 open. It's quite annoying.
Jacob Mei Slacker Industries Limited	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Quesa You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while. If thats the case they should throw in other useless loot of a comedic level. 10m3 units of toliets, garbage, the occasional thing of illegal medical waste....
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:02:00 - [9] I 100% agree with this... Metal scraps FTL
Treelox Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:15:00 - [10] WTB metal scraps 10isk ea, pickup included, just contract to me. :) --

Nyabinghi Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:20:00 - [11] Edited by: Nyabinghi on 20/03/2008 04:20:54 Metal scraps are like the new cap boosters. It's all meant to fill up your cargo and slow you down. On a side note why are combat ships in missions dropping Miner 1s? How is it I can take a serious beating in a mission and when I look at the loot it's civilian shield boosters and standard missile launchers? And no it's not my crappy tank and DPS :p. ***
Treelox Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Nyabinghi How is it I can take a serious beating in a mission and when I look at the loot it's civilian shield boosters and standard missile launchers? Same reason you see killmails where Dreads have civilian shield boosters fitted, seriously NPC's must have noobs too. :P --
Ashina Sito Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.20 04:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Quesa You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while. I won't have an issue when I can salvage Britteny or X-tina.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.20 05:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Quesa You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while. If thats the case they should throw in other useless loot of a comedic level. 10m3 units of toliets, garbage, the occasional thing of illegal medical waste.... That would be awesome. Fun to collect. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.20 05:24:00 - [15] I agree. Nerf metal scraps for all of the reasons listed above -- and because they are overpowered as they currently stand!
Luh Windan Republic University	Posted - 2008.03.20 07:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Seriously... Seems as though their only purpose is to make fun of you ... thoughts? I assumed that that is exactly what they are for. I strongly do not agree with taking them away even though they are pointless - because Eve is not meant to be all easy and nice. Being attacked: pita, Gatecamps: pita , Metal scraps: pita ,etc. etc. Ok they are pretty trivial in the scheme of things but they fit well with the 'life is not a bed of roses' theme of Eve.
Asuka Smith StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.03.20 07:34:00 - [17] I am all about making EVE hard but not a "feature" where the only "feature" part of it is a time sink. I like to make the competitive things hard, so if you get good at it you have an advantage. No one is winning with metal scraps, not even CCP as all those cans people jettison them into in missions hubs has to cause lag.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.03.20 08:28:00 - [18] If you collect 5000 of them you are able to build a Tempest. No joke! It's the secret build requirement on the BPO. ------------
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.20 08:32:00 - [19] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/03/2008 08:34:48 Originally by: Larkonis Trassler If you collect 5000 of them you are able to build a Tempest. No joke! It's the secret build requirement on the BPO. This sounded so ridiculous I had to try it. I bought 5000 metal scraps and put them in a hangar with my Tempest BPC and lo and behold, Larkonis is absolutely right. Makes one wonder what other kind of secret build requirements some coder put into the game. Things done for the lulz have benefited Tempest builders on this day. edit: and this isn't even a joke about the Tempest being a pile of scrapmetal.
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.03.20 08:52:00 - [20] at least you can refine them now .. never used to be possible -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & Portrait Server

Yllaer Dessip	Posted - 2008.03.21 09:41:00 - [21] Proof or its a lie.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.03.21 13:00:00 - [22] Edited by: Shintai on 21/03/2008 13:02:32 There is a stargate in a mission that gives 250 scrap metal or so when you blow it up. Talk about laughing in your face. Anyway in short I like the idea of Metal Scraps. However it should be changed. Size is an issue for the super small reprocess. Either make them drop maybe 10000 trit on reprocess or so. Or make them very small and increase their droprate alot. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Jacob Holland 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2008.03.21 13:28:00 - [23] Personally I like Metal Scraps as is. Salvage materials may be very valuable but they are, after all, just junk, garbage, detritous. Your salvagers pull everything of value out of a wreck, just because you rate the value of the metal scraps as lower than the trouble involved in hauling them doesn't negate their inherant value. The only thing I might agree with is the annoyance value of having salvagers shut off because a dose of metal scraps has used up too much hold space to allow you to continue but I would suggest the solution to that is simply to have any salvage which won't fit in your hold drop in the can when the wreck disappears in the same way as loot does. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.22 00:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Jacob Holland just because you rate the value of the metal scraps as lower than the trouble involved in hauling them doesn't negate their inherant value. a full cargohold of Metal Scraps would yield you about 2,000-4,000 ISK (depending on the size of your cargo). I wouldn't call that 'valuable' in any way, considering a refineable module such as a large turret uses up only twice as much room and can be worth anything up to 1,000,000 ISK. I would much rather take home 5mil ISK worth of refineable modules and 5mil ISK of Salvage, than 4,000 ISK of metal scraps. They arn't 'valuable' by any standard. If however they dropped a much larger quantity of minerals, or used so little room it didn't matter, (or didn't exist at all) it wouldn't be nearly as bad, IMO. ...
Callista Praetorian Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.22 00:24:00 - [25] Edited by: Callista Praetorian on 22/03/2008 00:24:17
Mincham State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.22 00:27:00 - [26] Does having metal scraps appear when salvaging potentially cut down on macro salvagers?
L70Rogue State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.22 00:44:00 - [27] risk reward
Al Thorr The Wheel	Posted - 2008.03.22 00:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Mincham Does having metal scraps appear when salvaging potentially cut down on macro salvagers? of course .But if you are playing 'there and then', there should be no problem. ( inho) after-all if you dont notice your cargo hold getting full . for no apparent reason . apart from metal scraps you deserve everything that happens. Regards Al Thorr "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.03.22 01:03:00 - [29] Originally by: Al Thorr Originally by: Mincham Does having metal scraps appear when salvaging potentially cut down on macro salvagers? of course .But if you are playing 'there and then', there should be no problem. ( inho) after-all if you dont notice your cargo hold getting full . for no apparent reason . apart from metal scraps you deserve everything that happens. Regards Al Thorr That would be all well if you could jettison a can at any time you wanted. There's a timer that keeps you from doing that more than once every few minutes, so if you're moving around the place salvaging several wrecks at a time, you'll often find yourself with a cargohold full of scrap metal you can't get rid of fast. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Bazuka Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.22 01:04:00 - [30] I support the proposed nerf of the evil scrap metals.

Al Thorr The Wheel	Posted - 2008.03.22 01:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Al Thorr Originally by: Mincham Does having metal scraps appear when salvaging potentially cut down on macro salvagers? of course .But if you are playing 'there and then', there should be no problem. ( inho) after-all if you dont notice your cargo hold getting full . for no apparent reason . apart from metal scraps you deserve everything that happens. Regards Al Thorr That would be all well if you could jettison a can at any time you wanted. There's a timer that keeps you from doing that more than once every few minutes, so if you're moving around the place salvaging several wrecks at a time, you'll often find yourself with a cargohold full of scrap metal you can't get rid of fast. you are assuming that you have a small cargo hold where 1 -2 metal scraps wuold fill your hold every 4 mins ... Stand by my arguement - (never had a problem with them) not really worth much - but hey wtf Al Thorr "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
Tyria Sharken TalCorp Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.22 01:47:00 - [32] Quote: It's not like mining lasers sometimes just shoot out a load of mud into your cargohold. i would actualy LOVE to see that implimented giggles i can just hear the miners all over the universe screaming as one if that happend. --------------------------------------------- "Only two great species on this planet take part in massive, organized warfare. Men, and ants."
Kvaell Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.03.22 01:59:00 - [33] Originally by: cal nereus Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Quesa You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while. If thats the case they should throw in other useless loot of a comedic level. 10m3 units of toliets, garbage, the occasional thing of illegal medical waste.... That would be awesome. Fun to collect. /signed If I am able to salvage "Shiny Golden Plates" 10m3 from Amarr ships all my combat ships will feature a salvager. Maybe, just maybe will I have enough to camoflage a Minnie ship as Amarr. Golden Phoon :P E-Peen or lack of it. Something about pew pew, I think. Terra Incognita, mare nostrum
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.03.22 02:02:00 - [34] One would think even scraps of metal would be slightly more valuable, but no. Metal scraps are the least valuable isk/space thing in eve afaik. Even garbage and soil are worth more per volume. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
nkdan	Posted - 2008.03.22 04:21:00 - [35] Simple, jet can your scraps and tow em round with your tractor beam adding to it as you salvage more wrecks. No 2 min timer penalty and no mither, chuck your boosters in there too.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.03.22 05:08:00 - [36] Originally by: nkdan Simple, jet can your scraps and tow em round with your tractor beam adding to it as you salvage more wrecks. No 2 min timer penalty and no mither, chuck your boosters in there too. I pretty much do this. But it's a needless annoyance. I'm fine with metal scraps, except for the fact that they refine into 10 tritanium. If you think that's acceptable by any means you are wrong in the head. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Khanid Kutie	Posted - 2008.03.22 08:16:00 - [37] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Seriously... They use up tonnes of room (10m3!) and refine into pretty much nothing at all. Getting them from salvage is nothing but an annoyance since you have to jettison them all the time. Seems as though their only purpose is to make fun of you ... Methinks they should be removed from the game entirely, or use the same volume as normal salvage since they serve no actual purpose whatsoever, and only certain wreck types drop them. thoughts? OMFG have we run out of things to cry about that we're actually asking for a nerf to metal scraps...get a ***** life people. ____________________________________________ Originally by:** Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
Rawr Cristina	Posted - 2008.03.22 08:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Khanid Kutie OMFG have we run out of things to cry about that we're actually asking for a nerf to metal scraps...get a ******* life people. says the COAD alt poster ... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.22 09:24:00 - [39] Right-click on metal scraps..... Jettison... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Drachtul Tun'Dull	Posted - 2008.03.22 09:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Khanid Kutie OMFG have we run out of things to cry about that we're actually asking for a nerf to metal scraps...get a ******* life people. says the COAD alt poster When the COAD alt poster calls someone out, you know the thread is dead. Seriously, I spent quite a bit of time salvaging in a frigate and never had an issue. Salvaged in Providence and had no problem. I salvage in level 4 missions now and haven't had this problem. I don't know what you guys are salvaging that this is a problem.

Saori Rei	Posted - 2008.03.22 10:00:00 - [41] Do what I do. Collect them DONT sell them. Wait for CCP to make them useful then cash in for profit... it's bound to happen, much like for those salvage components that see, to be quite useless .
Caiman Graystock	Posted - 2008.03.22 10:10:00 - [42] tractor a jet can, dump everything in there as you salvage and loot, leave the scraps when you come back. One jettison is all you need.
Guillome Renard Access Services	Posted - 2008.03.22 11:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Kerfira Right-click on metal scraps..... Jettison... Indeed. People who can't be bothered to just jettison the metal scraps they don't want are a new breed of rediculously lazy. Me? I get to sell the metal scraps at a very nice price so I keep 'em.
Merdaneth	Posted - 2008.03.22 12:18:00 - [44] Edited by: Merdaneth on 22/03/2008 12:18:39 Any decent manufacturer of salvagers would have adjusted their salvagers months ago not to include metal scraps due to overwhelming consumer demand. In Eve manufacturers cannot change specs of malfunctioning products, only CCP can do that. EDIT: Death to Naqam! ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Azirapheal The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.22 14:41:00 - [45] Originally by: cal nereus Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Quesa You're salvaging...the trash collecter of the Eve universe. Go figure you'll pick up some actual trash once in a while. If thats the case they should throw in other useless loot of a comedic level. 10m3 units of toliets, garbage, the occasional thing of illegal medical waste.... That would be awesome. Fun to collect. one of my mission grinding alts still has 14km3 of garbage from an agent.
Djinn Phluxx Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.22 17:29:00 - [46] We never promised you a rose garden. If we dumb down the game too much or remove every little thing that seems to hamper our quick and easy success...all those people that ***** about wow being too easy will turn into hypocrites overnight. Let's...leave the s craps in and maybe find a use for them or simply let them (slowly) teach players that they're just better off being jettisoned.
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.22 20:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Merdaneth EDIT: Death to Naqam! Originally by: Djinn Phluxx If we dumb down the game too much or remove every little thing that seems to hamper our quick and easy success...all those people that ***** about wow being too easy will turn into hypocrites overnight. Metal scraps have nothing to do with teaching you anything or 'making the game harder'. All they do is force you to jet them constantly, often requiring you to wait for the 3-4 minute timer to pass. That's it. ...
Djinn Phluxx Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.22 21:18:00 - [48] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Metal scraps have nothing to do with teaching you anything or 'making the game harder'. All they do is force you to jet them constantly, often requiring you to wait for the 3-4 minute timer to pass. That's it.[/quote That's a good point. The metal fragments have such a low impact on the total population of the game it's a wonder they're making the forums at all. Here are some suggestions. I use two of them, personally, and have absolutely no problems. 1. As stated previously. A few times. TB a can to the ass of your ship that you can dump garbage in. 2. TB stuff to one area so you're not drifting too far from your trash can. Another alternative is to dump all your loot into a jetcan every 15 wrecks or so and go back to scoop it up with a hauler. The smallest of them will easily pick this stuff up and they're pretty cheap.
Cyberman Mastermind Omega and Alpha	Posted - 2008.03.22 21:23:00 - [49] Originally by: Tyria Sharken Quote: It's not like mining lasers sometimes just shoot out a load of mud into your cargohold. i would actualy LOVE to see that implimented giggles i can just hear the miners all over the universe screaming as one if that happend. You know, if you justified it with "It will reduce macro miners"(which, of course, it won't), people might cheer to it. -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner.
Technovar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.23 02:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Benco97 ...mining lasers sometimes just shoot out a load of mud into your cargohold. Yes. This. Please.

Lorna Loot Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.23 02:20:00 - [51] NERF AIR!¼!!! then we stop getting ****ty forum posts! --------------------- Nox Eternus is Recruiting, contact me or Sgt Shazz ingame for info.
Terazuk Rogen's Heroes	Posted - 2008.03.23 03:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Technovar Originally by: Benco97 ...mining lasers sometimes just shoot out a load of mud into your cargohold. Yes. This. Please. Seconded!


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