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rowjen
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Posted - 2008.03.21 22:32:00 -
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I'm wondering if anyone has had their video card pack it in playing Trinity? This is why I ask...
I started back at Eve, playing Trinity hard core 2 weeks ago--after a hiatus of just skilling. At that time I was playing on my laptop. It has a Nvidia Go 7800. After a week of playing, my computer froze. After rebooting I had a little green dots all over my screen and it wouldn't boot into windows. GPU gone. So, I started playing more on my gaming rig with a Nvidia 8800 GTX. After a week exactly again, the same thing happens with my desktop rig yesterday when I started playing Eve!.. freezes, then green dots in post screen and video card gone!
I'm not an overclocker. Both these sytems are a year old. The laptop has Vista on it and on the Desktop I had gone back to XP.
Maybe it's a coincidence. But it's very suspect if you ask me. I've heard of many people having the lock-up issue with Eve, but my suspicion is that they actually caused hardware failures for me. If anyone has encountered any video hardware probs like this with Eve in the last while please let me know. Also, I'd really like to hear from CCP on this and am going to inquire with them as well. Thanks!
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Davis Valdran
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Posted - 2008.03.22 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Davis Valdran on 22/03/2008 01:48:03
Hi m8 , I have eliminated my blue screens well at least I think so but I was running lots of games np , I have an nvidia 8600 *2 sli(Only running 1 though) and I have a dual core with corsair ram 2gig(Just memtested okay througout today. Anyway Im not sure if my issue is the same but the blue screens I was getting since I installed and started playing eve seemed quite severe and initially looking at dumpcheck and referancing google I was seeing in horror the possibility certain errors have a small chance of being caused by hardware going bad. The thing is I cant see any company admiting liability in this way. Years ago guild wars brought out a patch and it was actually causing overheating major style on lots of rigs. (When I mentioned it in game many would say look its just this game dont worry about it, I get that) The company said they were not to blame for the overheating , clean your fans, have you got adequate heating ventilation , is your board over-volting - yadda yadda . I actually believed it was my machine , but they bring a patch out in the next week and wham a mass amount of people stop getting any overheating issues with the cpu. Im not saying whats the case with eve, I am an avid programmer and I do believe its possible if software is botched in certain ways for it to wreck hardware. It sounds like you have good cards , be careful. (As mentioned and outwith CCP , I think alot of the modern hardware thats comming out isnt getting tested fully - sure you will get people that will say this isnt the case but just check out the nvidia sli forums as an example)
You will always have people who have no problems but the thing is some things cant be seen unless you have your PC on alot and are putting it through its paces and to capacity daily. (Hope you get your card sorted I get devestated when I fork out for HW only to find its blown or has a company who have inept driver writers, all this mass production is leading to less testing :-( )
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rowjen
Knights of the Silver Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.22 04:17:00 -
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Thanks for the great response to my post.
It is absolutely possible that it's a very crazy coincidence. However, I can't stop thinking about the fact that it happened to 2 separate machines, 6 days apart, and the common thread is that both rigs had Eve Trinity playing on them heavily in the 5 days previous and both broke after the famous Eve screen lockup.
Also, both systems have been put through their paces over the last year with no issues at all. I played through Oblivion on my laptop while touring last year (I'm a recording artist) and have played Crysis, etc. etc. on my desktop gaming rig. Never any heat issues--never any GPU issues at all.
I'm thinking at the very least both GPU's were not as strong as others in their batch--although good enough to meet all requirements, except for Trinity's.
Now I have a new Go 7900 GTX on order (no warranty was left), and I'm going to get a new 9800 GX2 tomorrow. When I get the replacement card from XFX in a few weeks I'll put it on ebay and hopefully recoup some of my loss. In the meantime I'm curious to see if anyone else had a situation similair to mine and if CCP will recognize that there is a possibility that they have some part in this.
Again, thanks for your post. Fly safe!
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Countess NotFarOut2
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Posted - 2008.03.22 05:29:00 -
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There have been a lot of graphic card problems since Trinity. Check this forum and you'll find plenty.
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4giveme
Lone Star EVE Group
PURGE.
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Posted - 2008.03.22 06:58:00 -
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hmm... i havent had that problem yet... i run a gateway laptop with vista. my graffix card is a NVIDIA GeForce Go6100 with a dualcore processor. ive been running eve for little over 5 months. trinity has alot of bugs, but this is one that i hope i dont get... lol
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chao226
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Posted - 2008.03.22 12:11:00 -
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I got a system with nvida card When i play eve after bost patch it takes a few minites and then everything goes to s**t. I get hundreds of horizontal lines flashing on and off on the screen on everything not just eve. i also gue flsahes on the miniter tht looks like ligtning stikes. Strage thing is that I cn play other games for hrs on end i.e call of duty 4 and no problems. Gonna switch bnack to my old ATI gfx card later will let u know if it fixes the issue
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Kaylon Vale
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:17:00 -
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The temps I am seeing on my systems when playing EVE is very high, and as everyone knows: very high heat + time = fried gpu.
We will never hear from CCP that something in EVE's graphic engine makes our graphic cards bad because of heat generation or otherwise. Making such a statement is admitting that they knowingly are destroying our graphic cards.
Cheers!
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Dionisius
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:10:00 -
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The latest 8xx series graphics cards from Nvidia and the 3XXX series from ATI have had problems with drivers stability.
Rowjen, have you tried rolling back your drivers to older versions and see how the cards perform?
I am only saying this because i am assuming you are having problems with the newer driver versions.
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Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:59:00 -
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I've actually had to remove my video card and stick it in the fridge a few times to get its temp down after playing Eve for an extended period of time. Other games run fine, but after a few hours of Eve, or 20 minutes with 2 accounts running, my video card craps out.
Man, I need to buy more thermal paste too 
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DerArt1st
Texanican Research and Trade Society
Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.03.24 17:05:00 -
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Maybe u are interested in this tread:
clicky
I think that somehow there is something in the code of eve that runs some hardware out of norms. My card was destroyed and it definatly wastnt heat. Some days before a friend of me wrecked his gf6600 too while playing eve. I think this happens to often to be a random phenomenon.
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Dark Historian
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.25 02:05:00 -
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yeah, my card just died... or has been dying the last few weeks. drove me crazy, trying to figure out what it was... but eve causes it more problems than anything else (still plays TF2 ok, but 2 minutes of eve, and it starts stuttering, and locking up, and then.. i cant play)..
i've resorted to using my onboard graphics.. so i can manage builds/skills.
older model though, but, havnt had a prollem, till this patch... THEN it went kablooey
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Murray KA
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.25 10:14:00 -
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All I can say to describe my old laptop (A friend told me it was the graphics card been wrecked) was that i kept getting visual static sort of while playing games on it. Sort of imagine a loose TV cable watching TV and it's like those grey lines only frequent and everywhere across the screen. That's why I bought my new copmuter.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.25 11:34:00 -
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Larno
Deadly Addiction
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.25 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Larno on 25/03/2008 19:31:29
I have/had an XFX 7900 GT. I have had it for about 20 months, and had no problems with it whatsoever...until recently. I had been away from EVE for a very long time, and started playing again just before Trinity came out. I had no problems with Trinity, but about a month ago I started getting all kinds of artifacts ingame. These artifacts are present in both windowed mode and fullscreen. They include but are not limited to:
- Random grey/white rectangles in random places on the screen
- Flickering screen
- Complete blackout of screen for several seconds (yet monitor does NOT say "no signal")
At the same time as these artifacts started appearing in EVE, I was getting them in other games too, for example Rome:TW and Black & White 2. I also get them when using the nTune stress test to check the card. Originally I was using version ForceWare 100.95 drivers, then I upgraded to 169.21, which did not seem to make any difference. These problems have become so severe (especially the flickering and screen blacking out) that I have had to write off the graphics card completely, forcing me to buy a new one when I come back from holiday. The flickering does not appear in other games, just in EVE. But the other symptoms are present in all games.
I created this thread (includes screenshots) in the Hexus forums in the hope of some answer, but as I expected, it is a hardware failure which cannot be fixed.
The problem is NOT overheating. The problem is NOT my PSU. I originally thought I had just got unlucky but after speaking to chao226 on MSN, he let me know about this thread........
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skyb
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.25 19:51:00 -
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Chalk me up for a scrap x1900Xt as well.
started noticing eve was crashing my client around trinity, or even just before.
the situation has got so bad that I am now playing eve classic, windowed with interval =1 and ATI tool keeping my GPU at < 60 deg C, and I *still* get classic overheating glitches aftet 30-60 mins.
In that time I have also played oblivion, COD4, Halo2 and crysis, none of which caused any problems.
In fact, when eve is too flickery too play, I now close the client and play Crysis for 20 minutes to let the GPU recover :)
I bugreported it, but none of the suggestions helped.
Plenty of other threads on this issue, as well.
I would advise keeping GPU temp below 80, preferably 70, and using interval = 1 to try and keep your graphics system alive as long as possible.
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Bishman82
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.04.13 20:18:00 -
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I've already said this in another thread but my graphics card did practically the same thing as the Op, i had blue dots all over the screen instead of green though  Then wierd characters all over the POST screen, the card was permanently damaged at this point even when cold, this was a 10 month old 8800GTS
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Sue Zuki
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Posted - 2008.04.14 00:24:00 -
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Guys, i think its heat, but it's your memory chips on the graphics cards that might be getting fried. Have u got heat sinks and good airflow on the graphic memory chips?
I think it's poor hardware design, not enough cooling. u can buy stick on memory chip passive heat sinks from places like overclockers in the uk.
There should be heat detectors for the ram chips as well as the gpu. And the ram should be throttled if it's temperature is too high, just like the gpu's and cpu's should be.
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Enkilil
Minmatar
Carbon Moon Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.14 11:32:00 -
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chalk me up for a dead Nvidia and a ton of other hardware problems, not video related.
Of course it's heat, but it's still pretty silly when you have to cool off your gpus for a bit by playing Crysis or Quake 4 in Ultra resolution for awhile.
I know they're not the same game, but by comparison the game really doesn't look 'that' great compared to the damage done to the hardware. That's just shoddy programming.
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Dario Kaelenter
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:02:00 -
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I've also suffered the loss of a graphics card since Eve TRinity 1.1 patch :(
I've had the PC for about 2 years now ... upgraded to an Athlon 3800+ Dual Core AMD with 2GB RAM, MSI Geforce 6600 graphics card (RIP)from a Celeron 2.6GHz 512MB Ram PC with a Geforce 6800GS (alas AGP so no go in my PCI Express Athlon) just to play Eve.
No overclocking involved so cards are all running stock standard.
I used to be able to easily run 3 clients on the Athlon and even 4 with a bit of a drop in responsiveness.
Tho since Trinity 1.1 patch it was getting tricky running 2 clients (all Classic graphics in windowed mode - 1 full screen and the other smaller sized).
When it came to trying 3 clients I got the white out and a vast drop in frame rate to 2fps at best.
So I settled for 2 clients tho then 3 weeks ago the Pc started having problems with 2 clients .. white out in the second client and then screen started blanking out while PC was still running ok and then a week later Eve stopped working all together as did the graphics card except rather badly in windows (XP Pro) safe mode.
My PC has a CPU and a Chassis fan and a copper heat sink and fan on the card. The PC utilities didn't show any increase in heat significantly larger than usual and the Graphics card utilities didn't really have any heat indicator on them though it's run Eve fine up till patch 1.1 with many very long sessions with 3 clients running concurrently 
It just seems that Eve decided it would push the graphics cards to the extreme even though I had Interval One set.
Fantastic programming CCP!
I'm only running one client at a time on my Celeron now ... no way I want to risk pushing that to it's extreme. I tried 2 clients on it and it was just painfull waiting for the minute long freezes and the slow session loading.
I guess I'm just going to have to suspend 2 accounts now so I can save up for a new graphics card. CCP seem to be doing their best to make it even more difficult for people to run more than one client at a time.
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Delirium Dragonhead
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Posted - 2008.04.14 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Delirium Dragonhead on 14/04/2008 16:34:41
I've been reading most of the posts concerning problems, with whiteouts, crashes, artifacts etc while playing EVE. I have a GeForce 8800GTS 640 and although it runs all games impeccably, even oveclocked, I had similar issues while playing EVE. I've managed to iron out all theses problems in the following manner, been running EVE flawlessly for the last couple of weeks.
What you'll need:
Driver Cleaner Pro
CCleaner
Uninstall your drivers through the Control pannel, or with CCleaner using the Tool tab. Once completed, reboot your PC in safe Mode (Press F8 While the PC is booting, this should bring you to the "Windows Advanced Options Menu". Choose "Safe Mode" using the arrow keys, Or Shift+arrow keys for some wireless Keyboards.)
Once in safe mode, run Driver Cleaner Pro By choosing the required driver to be cleaned. The software will remove most redundant driver elements still remaining on your PC. Once completed, use CCleaner's cleaning tool and registry cleaner with the default options. This will remove anything Driver Cleaner has left behind. Be warned however that if you run CCleaner with default options, all the pretyped urls on your web browser will disappear. If you do not wish this, deselect "Recently Typed URL" from the Internet Explorer option. If you use Firefox, these options can be found under the "Applications" tab.
Once the cleaning is done, install the new drivers and reboot into normal mode.
This should iron out most problems. But be advised that this is, by no means, a miracle solution to absolutly all problems. It may however help some of you as it did me.
You may also want to get Riva Tuner for NVidia vid cards and follow These instructionsto allow the software to automatically increase your video card's fan speeds as temperatures rise.
Good luck
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zu'gul
Gallente
Black Crawling Mining
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Posted - 2008.04.15 11:44:00 -
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Hey guys i have a XFX Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTS 640mb Maybe if you guys actually spend some money on your cards like i did maybe you wont get these problems Actually invest in your computer maybe you wont get these problems like you guys are getting. and stop using Shared graphic cards on laptops THEY FAIL!!!!111. Oh and Mac users buy a god dam PC! If you dont like my tone Go buy a Xbox 360 and become a Consoletard.
AMD 6400 X2 3.1ghz
Corsair 800mhz 4gb
MSI K9N Platinum
500GB Seagate HDD x 2
XFX Geforce 8800 GTS 640Mb
Windows XP
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OzakiFragments
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:03:00 -
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My Asus G1's 7700 Go died when I was running EVE. Not sure if thats the real cause though.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:48:00 -
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Using a 3 year old radeon x1900xt here and eve runs flawlessly.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:49:00 -
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 Originally by: zu'gul
Hey guys i have a XFX Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTS 640mb Maybe if you guys actually spend some money on your cards like i did maybe you wont get these problems Actually invest in your computer maybe you wont get these problems like you guys are getting. and stop using Shared graphic cards on laptops THEY FAIL!!!!111. Oh and Mac users buy a god dam PC! If you dont like my tone Go buy a Xbox 360 and become a Consoletard.
AMD 6400 X2 3.1ghz
Corsair 800mhz 4gb
MSI K9N Platinum
500GB Seagate HDD x 2
XFX Geforce 8800 GTS 640Mb
Windows XP
btw another clueless idiot ^^
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Enkilil
Minmatar
Carbon Moon Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Delirium Dragonhead
Edited by: Delirium Dragonhead on 14/04/2008 16:34:41
I've been reading most of the posts concerning problems, with whiteouts, crashes, artifacts etc while playing EVE. I have a GeForce 8800GTS 640 and although it runs all games impeccably, even oveclocked, I had similar issues while playing EVE. I've managed to iron out all theses problems in the following manner, been running EVE flawlessly for the last couple of weeks.
What you'll need:
Driver Cleaner Pro
CCleaner
Uninstall your drivers through the Control pannel, or with CCleaner using the Tool tab. Once completed, reboot your PC in safe Mode (Press F8 While the PC is booting, this should bring you to the "Windows Advanced Options Menu". Choose "Safe Mode" using the arrow keys, Or Shift+arrow keys for some wireless Keyboards.)
Once in safe mode, run Driver Cleaner Pro By choosing the required driver to be cleaned. The software will remove most redundant driver elements still remaining on your PC. Once completed, use CCleaner's cleaning tool and registry cleaner with the default options. This will remove anything Driver Cleaner has left behind. Be warned however that if you run CCleaner with default options, all the pretyped urls on your web browser will disappear. If you do not wish this, deselect "Recently Typed URL" from the Internet Explorer option. If you use Firefox, these options can be found under the "Applications" tab.
Once the cleaning is done, install the new drivers and reboot into normal mode.
This should iron out most problems. But be advised that this is, by no means, a miracle solution to absolutly all problems. It may however help some of you as it did me.
You may also want to get Riva Tuner for NVidia vid cards and follow These instructionsto allow the software to automatically increase your video card's fan speeds as temperatures rise.
Good luck
This is extremely informative and should be in a sticky somewhere.
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Anubis Xian
Vertigo One
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Posted - 2008.04.15 17:19:00 -
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Is this a Vista issue?
I don't seem to have any problem on XP.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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SantheDekirium
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Posted - 2008.04.22 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: SantheDekirium on 22/04/2008 13:42:50
Originally by: Anubis Xian
Is this a Vista issue?
I don't seem to have any problem on XP.
My issues appeared on XP, haven't had any of these on Vista. However, all sofware proposed in my post work on Vista also. I've tried them all, so the steps described may be applied to Vista. I'd like to point out that i've had absolutly no graphic issues with EVE since I've reinstalled video card drivers in the manner described above.
NOTE: I just realised that the initial post was made under my alternate character Delirium Dragonhead. Sorry for the mix up...
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WashuChanUK
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.22 14:00:00 -
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I honestly have to say, that the problem your all facing is related to heat on your memory chips. I dont like the way the tactless idiot broached this idea to you, but its clear that your memory chips are fried from being overheated.
If you look at your cards, no doubt the memory chips will have little to zero in the way of heat removal. Investing in a card that does seems to be the way.
I say this from having two cards that both have memory cooling and work a-okay on EVE Classic and Premium graphics. It might be an idea to see if its possible to push the fans up on your graphics card (this is an issue I've found that ATI graphics dont seem to shove the fan up to deal with heat and may well be an issue that the NVIDIA cards face too within EVE) to 50-60% speed and monitor the temps from the control panels for the card.
Otherwise I would strongly suggest investigating better temperature controls for your rigs, i.e. more internal cooling, side panels with fans and adding newer thermal paste to any thermal contact point (heatsinks) to help reduce the temperatures.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.04.22 14:47:00 -
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Nvidia tools can configure the fan speed.
Also, our hands inside our computer can add fans...
And graphic cards manufacturers build in a way we can't use them at 100%, most of the time, the cooling is very crap and you have to replace it and you void the warranty...
It's quite ridiculous that fried components still happen when it is not very expensive for the manufacturer to add 10$ on the selling price over a 400$ card to put better cooling systems in from the start so it won't burn unless you run in the fridge.
If you are looking for better cooling and don't care about warranty, check arctic-cooling and zalman, they make very good often very low noise stuff for graphic cards (and everything else than can be cooled in a computer).
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Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.22 20:06:00 -
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Still no Dev reply? As for the adding additional cooling, many games with super graphics just don't have the problems that EVE has been having since Trinity... |
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