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Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.04.22 20:41:00 - [31] I just started having video card problems too with Trinity. It used to work just fine in 1.0, but now I can periodic slowdowns that are only fixed by changing graphics settings in some way. I even started getting artifacts in eve one time. This never used to happen. My video card runs at 52 degrees Celsius so it can't be temperature. No real driver change since the problems started either. I dunno there is something about the new eve patch that my video card just does not like. I'm on Windows XP SP 2 btw with an MSI GeForce 8600gts.
RaTTuS BIG Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:39:00 - [32] Zong ! windows runs my GPU @ 44 deg c run eve and my GPU goes up to 57 deg C run eve Interval One setting and my GPU goes to 53 deg c
Mr Saito	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:11:00 - [33] I don't think heat is an issue as some have said. I have an 8800GTS 512 and keep the fan at 100% with rivatuner. My CPU temps while playing EVE are 31 degrees C and the GPU is at 44 degrees C. I've played EVE while both overclocked and at default settings and it doesn't seem to make a difference. And this is running in classic mode with Windows XP. These constant crashes are getting old and I'll be happy to walk away from EVE and leave them one less customer. (2 customers if you count both my accounts)
WashuChanUK Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.23 00:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Mr Saito I don't think heat is an issue as some have said. I have an 8800GTS 512 and keep the fan at 100% with rivatuner. My CPU temps while playing EVE are 31 degrees C and the GPU is at 44 degrees C. I've played EVE while both overclocked and at default settings and it doesn't seem to make a difference. And this is running in classic mode with Windows XP. These constant crashes are getting old and I'll be happy to walk away from EVE and leave them one less customer. (2 customers if you count both my accounts) This isnt about crashes, this is about heat issues frying cards. GTFO or actually read!
MotoMissles	Posted - 2008.04.23 03:06:00 - [35] Out of curiosity, I just checked the temp on my graphics card thru ATI's proprietary software.... 78 DEGREES CELSIUS!!!11! I've never seen temps above 50 while playing other games.... So out of curiosity, I pull up speedfan, and find that my Athlon 64 6400+ is running 60 degrees celsius......It idles around 20, plays COD4 at no higher than 40.... Big issue if you ask me.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.04.23 08:15:00 - [36] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 23/04/2008 08:18:11 you realize that the gpu can handle up to 150 C¦ hardware side although the bios is set that if it reaches 110 ¦C the gpu shuts down? the intel cpu are set to ~81 C¦ and temps about 70-90 are normal ones for gpus under heavy load with ordinary/common cooling. one reason the temps jump that high is, Eve isnt very demanding to the gpu and when you jump the FPS jumps to 400 for few seconds. well rendering 400 fps makes the card warm. I would suggest install all windows upgrades to "fix" memory addressing issues of windows, clear drivers with DriverCleaner and install latest ones from whatever source and see if it happens again.
MotoMissles	Posted - 2008.04.23 15:48:00 - [37] At the time that these temps were taken, I had been in combat in the same system for at least an hour (fighting with rediculous lag, which I'd posted about in a different thread), so the 400 fps jump situation probably doesn't apply. 78 degrees celsius is high for my rig. I paid close attention to temperatures when I first built it 2 months ago while playing Call of Duty 4, and never saw gpu temperatures above 60, never saw core cpu temps above 45. 78 degrees celsius is high for just about any gpu. http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/print.php?cid=3&id=2154 is an article that included temperature benchmarking for several cards in the same class as mine. The highest temp seen on this chart is 70.4 degrees. I very seriously doubt that hardware is intended to handle 150 degrees celsius. GPU's are not meant to be able to cook eggs. Temperatures were taken in an apartment where ambient temperature was about 70 degrees Fahrenheit (about 21 degrees celsius).
RaTTuS BIG Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.04.23 16:37:00 - [38] What Interval setting have you got on eve -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
heywal Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:38:00 - [39] it looks like I'm getting the same problems as you guys. At first i thought it was my memory on the blink but i noticed that it only happens when I'm playing EVE. MY card (8800GTX) is known for running at little warmer than others but when EVE is running temps get up to 75c. i get lots of whiteouts and system freezes.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.04.24 06:19:00 - [40] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 24/04/2008 06:23:06 Quote: I very seriously doubt that hardware is intended to handle 150 degrees celsius. GPU's are not meant to be able to cook eggs. you can have as much doubt as you like, it is how it is just read out the bios of your gpu with some nice programm you will easily find in google, then you will see, your gpu is capped @110 ¦C where it will shut down, which is the lower end of what hardware can handle. btw e.g. a ram stick survives heat beatings to 200 ¦C. believe me, a gpu temp of 80 ¦C is normal in most cases. and btw I have a self build pimped notebook, with a 8600M GT + a normal desktop dual core which I run it overclocked all the time and my gpu have temps of 90 ¦C under heavy load and it runs fine :) and I play assassin creed with max settings on it
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:27:00 - [41] Originally by: MotoMissles Out of curiosity, I just checked the temp on my graphics card thru ATI's proprietary software.... 78 DEGREES CELSIUS!!!11! I've never seen temps above 60 while playing other games.... As has already been said, graphics card temp limits are much higher than cpu, 78 is nothing to worry about. Even 100C is only something to worry about if you use water cooling (steam in pipes is not good), the card will still work at that temp. Originally by: MotoMissles So out of curiosity, I pull up speedfan, and find that my Athlon 64 6400+ is running 60 degrees celsius......It idles around 20, plays COD4 at no higher than 40.... I don't believe it idles at 20C, unless your room is really cold. It's very unusual for a cpu to idle below 30-35C in a normal room (after it's been on for a while). But anyway, the 6400+ is a 125W part, so unless (or even if) you have a decent cooler (e.g. Arctic Cooling Freezer 64) you should expect high temps. The Freezer 64 cooler has a "thermal resistance" of 0.20C/watt, so for a 125W cpu running at full power expect it to run 25C (125 x 0.20) above the in-case ambient temp. The max rated temp for the 6400+ is only 63C, so even with a decent air cooler you can go over that if the in-case air temp hits 38C, which isn't that high for a sealed box with more than 200-300W (including gfx card) of heat sources in it. If you're running such a high end cpu you should make sure you have a decent cooler and the case has decent airflow or you risk blowing it up (or at least hitting the temp cutoff). nullnull My sig is not my sig.
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:04:00 - [42] Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand Originally by: MotoMissles Out of curiosity, I just checked the temp on my graphics card thru ATI's proprietary software.... 78 DEGREES CELSIUS!!!11! I've never seen temps above 60 while playing other games.... As has already been said, graphics card temp limits are much higher than cpu, 78 is nothing to worry about. Even 100C is only something to worry about if you use water cooling (steam in pipes is not good), the card will still work at that temp. It really depends on the graphic card designs. Some will crash at 70¦C, others will hold up to 120¦C... But the issue may not come from the GPU that was designed to run that high, but from the memory and other components on the board that go whacky at that temperatures. Some graphic cards have no proper memory cooling... And the heat sink radiates heat heavyly on them... very bad. So, it happens that the card can't hold it while the GPU will! I'm 100% with you for the other part that I cut in the quote! Idle temps can't be 20, or you're playing in the fridge or even freezer! But with low noise, I run a 110W design Athlon 64 X2 4600+ in a case low as +5~7¦C to external temperature that leaves me without any issues unless it's a hot summer. The fan on it is exactly the one you mentioned, arctic cooling makes good stuff, just don't break them, they tend to be fragile (on older versions mostly, the new ones seem ok).
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2008.04.24 14:18:00 - [43] Originally by: Eleana Tomelac It really depends on the graphic card designs. Some will crash at 70¦C, others will hold up to 120¦C... But the issue may not come from the GPU that was designed to run that high, but from the memory and other components on the board that go whacky at that temperatures. Some graphic cards have no proper memory cooling... And the heat sink radiates heat heavyly on them... very bad. So, it happens that the card can't hold it while the GPU will! Too true, I posted in another thread somewhere that you can normally tell if it's the gfx RAM that's overheating because you start getting "static" in textures and on the screen, and it'll normally stay after you quit the game (i.e. you'll see it on the mouse cursor, icons and the desktop etc too). I had a lot of trouble with this with ATI X and X1 series cards. Originally by: Eleana Tomelac I'm 100% with you for the other part that I cut in the quote! But with low noise, I run a 110W design Athlon 64 X2 4600+ in a case low as +5~7¦C to external temperature that leaves me without any issues unless it's a hot summer. Unfortunately one of my machines has a pair of older Athlon MP 2400+ cpus in it, which are at least 80W-90W each (they're not true MPs, they're converted XPs, true MPs are only 60W). Being older cpus they don't scale back frequency and voltage when they're idle, so their idle temp isn't much lower than their full load temp. Even with a pair of really decent all-copper coolers on them, they typically idle at 55C, and have been up close to their 85C temp limit on several occasions. I'm glad cpu tech has improved since then, the fans required to keep that monster cool are quite aggravatingly loud, and it's less powerful than my cool-running Athlon X2 5600+ desktop. There's a bit of science and a bit of art in keeping a powerful machine cool. Not all cooling solutions are created equal. In fact, if it has lights on it it's probably a piece of junk. I've been to a few lan parties, and it's always funny watching the group of people trying to fix some poor guy's technicolour side-windowed piece of brokenness (it's normally a bad psu) while my quiet little black box smugly continues to work for the entire solid 24 hours. nullnull My sig is not my sig.
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.04.24 14:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand Unfortunately one of my machines has a pair of older Athlon MP 2400+ cpus in it, which are at least 80W-90W each (they're not true MPs, they're converted XPs, true MPs are only 60W). Being older cpus they don't scale back frequency and voltage when they're idle, so their idle temp isn't much lower than their full load temp. Even with a pair of really decent all-copper coolers on them, they typically idle at 55C, and have been up close to their 85C temp limit on several occasions. I'm glad cpu tech has improved since then, the fans required to keep that monster cool are quite aggravatingly loud, and it's less powerful than my cool-running Athlon X2 5600+ desktop. I had such athlon, and it was hell! Cooling 90W with what 1.5cm¦ for the contact with heatsink? It ended with big copper stuff to cool it and even like that, it was not great. Would they have made an extended heat conductor (as the athlon 64 cover plates) on all the surface as they do now, it would have been much better! And that thing had a 92mm easy to remove fan so I could dust it off often to stat at proper cooling levels. Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand There's a bit of science and a bit of art in keeping a powerful machine cool. Not all cooling solutions are created equal. Some are so poorly designed that it's a crime against IT! Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand In fact, if it has lights on it it's probably a piece of junk. I've been to a few lan parties, and it's always funny watching the group of people trying to fix some poor guy's technicolour side-windowed piece of brokenness (it's normally a bad psu) while my quiet little black box smugly continues to work for the entire solid 24 hours. I'm not entirely satisfied with how quiet is my computer even if it's one of the most quiet gamer computer I know. The issue is it's in the living room... Ever tried some watercooling with a big fanless cooling tower, would it be worth it? I would put at least GPU and chipset on watercooling (CPU isn't a big issue with the AC freezer 64)... Ps : and bad luck says that my graphic card is too short for an AC accelero cooler... -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2008.04.25 14:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Eleana Tomelac Ever tried some watercooling with a big fanless cooling tower, would it be worth it? I would put at least GPU and chipset on watercooling (CPU isn't a big issue with the AC freezer 64)... My brother has tried watercooling, he has a huge 1mm steel case with a "Zalman Reserator" style passive cooling tower mounted to the back, and the added weight makes it a VERY heavy pc. He's broken one desk by having his pc on it But regardless, it turns out that passive watercooling vs a good air cooling system just trades fan noise for pump noise, and the chance that a single leak (if you use water and not non-electrically-conductive fluid) will ruin some really expensive parts. He bought a 6800GT 2nd hand off me for ~ú200 when it was still part of the newest generation (it was AGP and I'd switched to PCIe), and a few months later he had a minor leak at the connections on the cpu block and some water got on the back of that graphics card and shorted out a ram chip. Boot a pc with that card in now and all the text during startup is scrambled, and it doesn't make it into loading Windows. It's not worth it, IMHO. Better to use a low-power cpu, activate Cool&Quiet (in bios and use the "Minimal Power Management" setting in "Power Options" in Windows), and a decent air cooler plugged into a motherboard with automatic fan speed control (e.g. Asus Q-Fan on the M2N series). I actually had to turn off the "cpu fan failed" warning on my pc because the automatic fan speed control would set the fan speed so low for the first few minutes the pc was on that it registered as a failure.
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.04.25 15:48:00 - [46] Didn't think about leaks... It's water afterall! Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand It's not worth it, IMHO. Better to use a low-power cpu, activate Cool&Quiet (in bios and use the "Minimal Power Management" setting in "Power Options" in Windows), and a decent air cooler plugged into a motherboard with automatic fan speed control (e.g. Asus Q-Fan on the M2N series). I actually had to turn off the "cpu fan failed" warning on my pc because the automatic fan speed control would set the fan speed so low for the first few minutes the pc was on that it registered as a failure. I have the warning too because the CPU fan speed goes too low sometimes... I've got an A8N-E which has the Q-fan stuff too. The CPU that is a 110W design. I quite compensate in terms of heat in the box with a corsair high efficiency power supply that causes very little heat compared to my previous one. It's just crap that I couldn't put back an arctic cooling product on my graphic card because it's too short... I guess I'll head for zalman site and see if something suits the shorter cards and provide proper video ram cooling. Mostly it's that running computers in the living room when it's quiet makes me hear only the computer and it's annoying! PS : I'll still watch what happens in watercooling if they make any more leaking-secure liquids (non-conductive, non-corosive and such properties) or tube plugs... -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Shozo Cloak and Daggers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.25 21:07:00 - [47] first, i didn't read all the posts past a few on the first page... but, ironically i just had my 8800GTS die last night while playing EVE. never had a single other video card ever die so soon...the card is only a year old and almost to the day as i type this. only game i ever played on the card regularly was two EVE clients...one with premium gfx and the other without. not sure if this is any relevance to you or this thread but, thought i would add my name to the list of people who have had video cards die due to playing EVE. now, i am not saying it has to be EVE's fault but it is difficult to ignore this thread and the striking coincidence of a similar video card dying in my machine and the OP's. now to RMA this *****... --
Kaylon Vale	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:49:00 - [48] Just wanted to add that my gfx card just died on me... I have only played EVE online on this notebook (classic client) and with an notebook cooler even. Oh well, must be my hardware . (Note: I am not angry or sad, I knew the risks)
Master Hu Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.06 23:52:00 - [49] How is anyone's experience with nVidia 8800 GT cards? Any problems overheating and should I get an additional cooling fan?
Aslyn Denethorn Caldari Endless Night	Posted - 2008.05.09 12:02:00 - [50] I'd definitely recommend that you do so. Several people have had those cards fry, and it never hurts to have additional cooling systems involved - better to be overly cautious than to lose a decent card and be forced to replace it.
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.11 16:06:00 - [51] Well, add me to the list. My Radeon 9800 Pro went pop while playing..... patiently waiting for Fedex to bring me my new one.... Was playing two clients and the monitor started acting crazy to the point I couldn't see anything.... rebooted and card was toast... Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Bazman Caldari Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.11 16:55:00 - [52] If your having GPU reset problems and can't play eve because of it, please look at this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=764836 Can't guarantee that it will work, but it seems to work as a workaround for me at the moment. Also, ensure you file bug reports, the more the better. -----
Deus Teragrammaton	Posted - 2008.05.13 20:55:00 - [53] Hmmm, overheating problems eh? No doubt, I have a thinkpad t61, and when I put my hand by the out-take, the air is definitely on the warm side, but, this thing is a soldier. What's the risk factor hear, you guys owuld say?
Terminus adacai	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:47:00 - [54] UPDATE: My new card arrived and when I went to pull out the fried card, the fan had fallen off. So the card had no cooling. No wonder it fried while playing Eve :) Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Shigsy D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:33:00 - [55] Edited by: Shigsy on 30/05/2008 14:33:08 My 1950x pro is currently dying atm. Eve makes it regularly hit 100degrees if i open more than 1 account. Few dots over the screen atm and graphic glitches starting to occur in other games now. <3 ccp, they love breaking our pcs edit: its around 85degrees atm, with just one account open and interval thingy on.
WashuChanUK	Posted - 2008.06.01 11:28:00 - [56] Originally by: Shigsy Edited by: Shigsy on 30/05/2008 14:33:08 My 1950x pro is currently dying atm. Eve makes it regularly hit 100degrees if i open more than 1 account. Few dots over the screen atm and graphic glitches starting to occur in other games now. <3 ccp, they love breaking our pcs edit: its around 85degrees atm, with just one account open and interval thingy on. Your pushing your graphics card and its rising to 100C...thats kinda understandable considering its doing double the work. Does your graphics card have a fan, if it does is it actually spinning up constant or briefly? Alot of the problems in this topic seem to be either a lack of heat sinks on memory or a graphics processor not spinning up to cool down the core. I suspect that it could be an issue with EVE as its effecting cards on both sides of the scale here, so CCP do need to investigate. However I'd strongly advise opening a bug report, relating to client related issues, also test games on full screen that aren't EVE that are recent if this is happening on the premium client, not some old game like Homeworld or Medal Of Honor.
AsTPlatinum interimo	Posted - 2008.06.01 12:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Shigsy Edited by: Shigsy on 30/05/2008 14:33:08 My 1950x pro is currently dying atm. Eve makes it regularly hit 100degrees if i open more than 1 account. Few dots over the screen atm and graphic glitches starting to occur in other games now. <3 ccp, they love breaking our pcs edit: its around 85degrees atm, with just one account open and interval thingy on. Thats exactly what happened to my 1900XT before it completly gave up, the coloured dots indicate a memory issue on the card, get ready to buy a new card. Lukily mine was still in warrenty and managed to blag a 2900pro out of it :D
Serenthris Landry	Posted - 2008.06.01 12:55:00 - [58] Edited by: Serenthris Landry on 01/06/2008 12:56:33 I'm running XP pro x64 on an Asus MN232 WS Pro, AMD64 5200+, 3GB corsair pc6400 w/ Nvidia 7950 GX2 1GB. Fan Cooled Previously my machine was running frighteningly hot, getting CPU temps of 80+ and as a result gfx started to suffer badly... I went through several CPU coolers different fans etc. Eventually I decided to replace my rather cramped case with a Silverstone chassis. The effect was tremendous, even without the extra fan slots and I've never looked back. my machine now ruins quieter, cooler and a hell of a lot better, lockups and crashes stopped happening, no more BSOD. And more importantly Eve has no problems, even in Jita. \o/
Blank Protection Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.02 12:02:00 - [59] My Ati Mobility Radeon X600 died or is put into a "deadlock" 3 days ago. And you never quess, i was playing Eve at that time. I having a HP Pavilion zd8125ea Notebook. Never any problems with it. Now i can use it only in Standard VGA mode with a resolution of 1024x768 without any 3D and DirectX. 1500 euro to hell. But i was playing Eve. **This post belongs in Out of Pod Experience**
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:15:00 - [60] A game can't kill a graphics card guys. Only thing that kill a piece of hardware like that is a lot of heat or over-volting (aside from defects already in the card that would probably manifest themselves much earlier). Eve isn't even that demanding.

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