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NuroCorp	Posted - 2008.06.08 05:21:00 - [61] EVE + vista fried 3 nvidia 8600's in a row (I'm currently using a fourth 8600 and its been good for 3 months, the previous cards lasted about a month or so, the last one fired my motherboard too, so thats new - maybe faulty memory... maybe faulty ventilation - who knows. EVE and vista are two major sources of bugs so to pin it down will take an army of people who actually know what they're doing. What i do know is its quite a coincidence that I, and many others shared the same issue with it being triggered after running eve. I also expect no one to claim responsibility for it - I'm sure if the Dev team did know that eve caused this damned if they'd acknowlegde it for legal (cost) reasons.
Triss Ranunncul	Posted - 2008.06.08 06:40:00 - [62] Originally by: MotoMissles Edited by: MotoMissles on 23/04/2008 16:58:57 Out of curiosity, I just checked the temp on my graphics card thru ATI's proprietary software.... 78 DEGREES CELSIUS!!!11! I've never seen temps above 60 while playing other games.... So out of curiosity, I pull up speedfan, and find that my Athlon 64 6400+ is running 60 degrees celsius......It idles around 20, plays COD4 at no higher than 40.... Big issue if you ask me. I have exactly the same problem !! And for 99% its caused by EVE.Have tested many driver versions (original/Omega) and many settings with HWmonitor running.From all new tested games only EVE was causing masive heat up on GPU (75+ C) Ati Radeon 2900 XT
Bom Bolenath	Posted - 2008.06.08 15:54:00 - [63] hi All, Interesting topic. I have a quad core Vista 64 box with an 8800GTS 640 and I've noticed a lot of quick white-screen pauses during gameplay, usually when dealing with a big grid-load or other heavy lag situation. Using the Nvidia Monitor, I note that my temps reach to about 84deg C. or so playing EVE, but that the fan never kicks up. I know the Riva Tuner app allows manual forcing of fan speeds, but is there a way to do this Vista 64? I think overheating issues with the 8800 series may be related to poor fan control, at least in my situation. Help on how to make my GPU fan actually run would be greatly appreciated.
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.06.08 18:13:00 - [64] A game, or a piece of code, can not simply fry the hardware in and of itself. Otherwise, you would see viruses targeting people's hardware and making it go kaboom. As to the above poster, rivatuner works in vista 64. Alternatively, you can try evga's precision tool, which I believe works for all nvidia cards even though it is made by evga. To all the people complaining that "eve popped their graphics card" try running ATItool's artifact test and see what happens.
WashuChanUK	Posted - 2008.06.08 23:49:00 - [65] Originally by: NuroCorp EVE + vista fried 3 nvidia 8600's in a row (I'm currently using a fourth 8600 and its been good for 3 months, the previous cards lasted about a month or so, the last one fired my motherboard too, so thats new - maybe faulty memory... maybe faulty ventilation - who knows. EVE and vista are two major sources of bugs so to pin it down will take an army of people who actually know what they're doing. What i do know is its quite a coincidence that I, and many others shared the same issue with it being triggered after running eve. I also expect no one to claim responsibility for it - I'm sure if the Dev team did know that eve caused this damned if they'd acknowlegde it for legal (cost) reasons. Just one thing to clear up here, hardware either dies in the first month or it doesnt die for at least a year or so. Welcome to the life of an electronic hardware.
Biscuit0 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.27 15:33:00 - [66] For what it's worth I had my first ever hardcrash with my lastest computer last week. The monitor turned off as though I had unplugged it and then the computer froze. Just out of curiosity I checked to see what the temps were using the speedfan app. I had a little chuckle because the icon for the GPU was a little fire. Temps were in the 70C range which is pretty high for me. I have an Antec 900 case with tons of fans and I keep it pretty clean. After toying with settings I found that setting Interval One made the biggest difference in temps. It kept temps in the mid 50's. Just so you guys with heat problems know you're not crazy. +1 for the heat krew. Life won't wait.
Lrrp Minmatar Drahathinar Tribe	Posted - 2008.06.27 16:06:00 - [67] The 3 C's of computers: 1c) Cooling 2c) Cooling 3c) Cooling
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.06.27 16:27:00 - [68] present interval = 1 job done -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve,
Gunter Bahad Amarr	Posted - 2008.06.28 03:13:00 - [69] I'M sorry people, but if Eve is "killing" your video cards it means you have either ** poor cooling for your system and when your machine craps out you are not stopping to identify the issue, you simply reload the game and put stress on the machine. Or scenario two, you are using software to auto-over-clock your GPU and do deal with the extra rendering with the premium graphics version of Eve your GPU is cooking itself. Computer troubleshooting: 1.) When issue occurs what were you doing? 2.) Duplicate the issue, if it's a hardware fault, it will consistantly happen. 3.) Once you've duplicated the issue document the steps taken to duplicate the issue. 4.) STOP doing what ever is causing the issue. 5.) Check your logs, record the error messages. 6.) Identify what has changed, do not say nothing, because there is something YOU have done. 7.) If the issue is software related, are you using the most current version? do you have the most recent updates? If you have beta version drivers, downgrade to the most recent supported final release drivers. 8.) If you are not a technician... stop being a moron and have a professional look at your system. 9.) When is the last bloody time you cleaned the PC??!?!? When your car does weird st what do you **** around? No you take it to a frigging Mechanic. Grrrrr!!!!! And people wonder why I suggest people plug in their computers to "ground it" and recommend they clean it in the bathtub!!!! All of history is a lie. All that matters is whom is doing the telling and who is doing the listening.
Veschenko	Posted - 2008.06.28 14:12:00 - [70] Well, just saw this topic while looking around for suggestions for new gaming laptop. Ive had a Dell M1710 for several years now, and the 3rd 6800 just crapped out about a week ago. They have died on me about every 8 to 12 months. The first, Dell sent out a tech to replace (for free). Second and third, they just sent the new card (free both times), and I installed. After the first time I started using a cooler, which seemed to help a little. Also made it a habit to clean / tear down the laptop once a month. My take on it is just **** design on Dell / Nvidia. The vent. and cooling is worthless. I run EVE in window mode, firefox, and a stock trading platform nearly everyday. Ive just come to accept that I expect to much from the cards, and plan on the fact that they will die about every 12 months . The 4th card sould be arriving today (a 7900 bought off ebay, Dell wouldnt replace again lol), and i hope to get a yr out of it. Then wrap it up and give it to the wife for her b'day next yr . Ill be looking to get another laptop then, but the top selling point will be ventilation.
Me v2 N.E.R.V	Posted - 2008.06.29 01:52:00 - [71] After reading this thread... i finally got some answers as to WTF happened to my laptop... It just burned down on me 2 days ago, and i didn't know why... Now I think its not a coincidence that i was playing eve when it burned. WE NEED SOME OFFICIAL ANSWER!! COME ON CCP!!
Kawaii Sakura	Posted - 2008.06.29 04:24:00 - [72] have the same issue. but my card isnt dead(yet) running on a 8800gts 512mb i bought a few months ago. I keep my gpu temp around 50-60 degress celcius. I do get a lot of graphic card driver crashes while playing eve. Sometime get these overgrown green pixels, or screen starts flickering. Have had it twice that the flickering and the dots didnt go away even after i closed eve client. I had to reboot my system to get it away. I dont think i overheat my card at all. These cards are reported to be able to handle up to 90 degrees celsius. I dont get any issues playing other games like assassins creed. Should i be worried tht my card will die soon?? Its only like 3-4 months old. No overclocking. Still have waranty
Veschenko	Posted - 2008.06.29 11:10:00 - [73] Originally by: Kawaii Sakura Sometime get these overgrown green pixels, or screen starts flickering. Have had it twice that the flickering and the dots didnt go away even after i closed eve client. Yes, it will die soon. Ive had the same signs each time. Usually month to few days beforhand.
Naabata Bureau of Sabotage	Posted - 2008.06.29 13:29:00 - [74] COOLING is a MAJOR issue with video card hardware failure. All those SLI set ups which need 800W power supplies and create enormous amounts of heat need extra measures in cooling. Get aluminum computer cases with very high volume fans or big water cooling set ups. I run a 10 inch diameter 550 cubic feet per minute 24V [external switching power supply] DC fan [which is surprisingly quiet with it's relativley low rpms]on my computer case and I don't even have SLI. I also run many after market GOOD heat sinks on all my chip sets. I try to replace all stock fans and heat sinks with better ones even before I boot the computer the first time with new Hardware. Justice belongs to those who claim it, but let the claimant beware lest he create new injustice by his claim and thus set the bloody pendulum of revenge into its inexorable motion. -Frank Herbert-
Krollin Minmatar Ki Shoda United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.06.30 11:53:00 - [75] Hi, I sadly have to join in this thread. My Alienware M9750 died last night while playing EVE. I am running Vista Ultimate, 4Gb memory, 2 x 512Mb 7800 SLi Nvidia cards. I have had the laptop for only 4 months so was surprised to see it simply black-screen and freeze last night. I had a similar problem a few weeks ago and put it down to it being just a simple crash, last night was different - the machine is completely dead. I cannot turn on the laptop, no beeps, nothing on screen, just the fans powering up and a short burst of HDD activity. I spoke to AW support and we went through taking it all apart, checking the components etc, but nothing looks damamged, alas it is going back :( I have played EVE for almost 2 years and I am a little concerend that a) this thread exists and b) no offical reply from CCP. EVE is the only game I play so I cannot put the fault down to anything else....... Up until 3 weeks ago I played a single client in full screen mode (premium content), however I had started to run 2 clients in windowed mode, one premium and one standard. I had only been online for about an hour when this issue arose. I wouldnt have thought that heat was the primary issue with it only being on for a short period of time, but it does raise a few questions: 1. Does running in windowed mode cause any adverse affects? 2. Is it better to have the SLi enabled or not (kinda obvious but best check) 3. Could the video driver have caused (in part or as a whole) this issue? The 3rd question is because I upgraded the video driver about a month or so ago and trying to figure out what had changed this was the only thing I can think of. I do hope my rig can be repaired! Kro
Mein H	Posted - 2008.06.30 18:35:00 - [76] Edited by: Mein H on 30/06/2008 18:38:02 Something's odd here. 7 series, 8 series, ati hd series cards going poof, but yet my ati x700 can dual log without overheating, despite this hot and sticky weather and crappy fans? I haven't had any issues with eve and my card. Sure, it doesn't like to be run at full quality, but it just lags when I try that, it doesn't actually crash. I haven't had eve crash my video card at all. Matter of fact, I haven't had anything crash my video card since I put the darned thing in however many years ago. I've had games crash, but not the video card. Another thing, what distributors were you guys using? If you were getting the cheaper, less well known distributors, they might be at fault for sub par hardware. also when you guys say trinity, do you mean premium? because i'm certainly playing trinity (ok, empyrean age now) as well, but my card can't run premium.
sukurnanghaa	Posted - 2008.06.30 21:07:00 - [77] after a serious test, computer tested with eveonline, world of warcraft.... both running on 1920/1200 full details, full shadows adn such.... my computer is a quad core 6600, with 4 gigs of ram corsair, a radeon 3870HD with 1 gig of ram, sound card is a creative X-fi.. runnin world of warcraft all the day, no crash, graphical card is at 60 degrees... no issue at all now, same with eveonline... with the ATI catalyst driver pannel open on GPU temp page... less than 3 minutes and my graphical card go up to 102 degrees... so, for people that say that's not eve, or that some piece of code can't blow a graphical card.. they nee to improve their knowledge a little more, cause eve is badly coded, it create a major stress on the GPU.. and crashes are just due to the thermal protection system. so i think it's time for ccp to make a major revision of eve's code.. i gonna contact em to refund my payment, as i paid yesterday for renew my game suscription, and i can't play it at all.. i'm ok to pay for somethin i can make use of, and i got a lot of games installed and it's the only one that make such temps problems..
Krollin Minmatar Ki Shoda United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.07.01 11:36:00 - [78] Dear all, I have just got off the phone with AlienWare support and the tech guy happened to ask me if I played any games, I then mentioned I just played EVE Online. To my surprise he said they have had a number of laptops come back for repair in the last few months from other people who play(ed) EVE Online, granted he could just be saying that and I do not know any other factors involved in the other laptops, but it does sound slightly suspicious; either Alienware laptops are not up to the job or as people have mentioned there is something amis with EVE Online. Time will tell I guess. Kro
deathlords	Posted - 2008.07.02 00:53:00 - [79] EVE is not the problem. Or otherwise you'll be killing your CPU with CpuBurn program (puts max load on CPU). And no, CPU doesn't burn down. EVE can, at worst, be a stress test. And if you hardware dies, it was faulty. For example, if the video card dies when the GPU is normal and everything is running fine, then it is the video card issue. I've seen many times the memory chip has no heat spreader on them, and the outlet from the GPU heatsink is directly on the memory chips. I'm just looking at a nVidia 7950 GTX card from BFG (no memory heatsink) that seems to have crapped out on one computer, but I've moved it to another rig and running EVE under Wine, and it seems to work fine. I'll have to move it back to the original rig and see what the problem is. But I do know that EVE is not the issue in breaking your hardware. Crappy hardware is at fault. http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/vmt_en That should test your video memory. Let it run for a while, and if it fails, video memory has crapped out.
nutbar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.07.02 03:52:00 - [80] Originally by: RaTTuS present interval = 1 job done Interesting - I've always wondered what this option does, and there is very little info to be found anywhere on it. How did you come to the conclusion that setting it to present interval one can lower the stress on a video card (or whatever it may do)? Also, do you have any info on what this setting really does?
orkorde Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.02 04:25:00 - [81] Since the Trinity update I have had problems with overheating on my NVidia 7950GT while playing EVE. I had no problems before, and I have no problems with any other games or software - just EVE. I have a well setup and ventalated case - but to play EVE I have to remove the side panel and leave a desk top fan blowing over the video card. While that works - I have been unimpressed with the lack of comment from CCP on this. I believe if someone was using a video card impacted by this, and that it was not well ventalated, that this could cause graphic card failures. I hope it isn't widespread, and just a relatively small number of people are impacted. However - I wonder at how many people actually keep an eye on their GPU temps? I suspect only a small percentage of people would - so the problem could be more wide spread than this three page thread suggests.
Emrys Ap'Morgravaine Caldari Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.07.02 11:41:00 - [82] You can add 2x 8800GTX 768Mb (SLi) to the death count. Although, in this case, I'm becoming increasingly convinced it was the mobo thats caused at least a part of it, coz I'm still having other erratic lockouts. The cards though are definetely screwed (tested them in another rig). I think this may be the last time I have an Asus mobo - I'll be going back to Giga-Byte :) As much as I blame the mobo though, heat is a definete issue, I had the cards coolers set to 90% rotation - but that (as someone else pointed out) doesnt aid the memory chips much, part of it is a known problem with the PCB (648, for the really geeky) - hopefully NVidia's new PCB for the GTX 260//280 range wont have the same issues... Em. -=-=-=-=- Reformed Carebear. Much bear, zero care. -=-=-=-=-
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.07.02 13:00:00 - [83] Originally by: nutbar Originally by: RaTTuS present interval = 1 job done Interesting - I've always wondered what this option does, and there is very little info to be found anywhere on it. How did you come to the conclusion that setting it to present interval one can lower the stress on a video card (or whatever it may do)? Also, do you have any info on what this setting really does? this is in the eve settings esc \| display and graphics \| advanced section and I found out about this by reading these forums, as I run multiple clients I'd get 1 crapping out, and had noticed that lots of people said that eve was making thier GFX card run hot. this is since trinity as eve has bundled the major workload off the CPU onto the GPU mean that the framerate can go though the roof. eve is not a game where having the FPS in the 100's or mega hundreds makes any difference whatever. I think the option makes eve only tell the GPU to render as much info as it needs for each frame and not just keep doing it. so it is like wait for V-sink in old games what happens is if you are running on a LCD monitor [well CRT's also but they tend to have faster refresh rates - though not at higher resolutions]] is that you get a frame rate that is limited to the monitor speed - it makes no sense to push as hard as possible ... in fact looking [while I was making this post] I get more consistent frame rates with interval =1 then I do with the others] interval = immediate is the one that gives more fps I do know that there have been various devs responses on this in a few threads - and people have not said [AFAIK] that setting interval = one has caused them problems [just the opposite] which is why I suggest it. as to saying that eve killed my GPU then it is possible - as it will run a stress test on the GPU - but the GPU is supposed to be able to handle anything you throw at it - if anything you can blame Microsoft for making DX9 break video cards -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve, USERPROFILE
Jukhta Mein	Posted - 2008.07.02 13:39:00 - [84] I'm running a new geforce 8400 on a premium client and have had no problems so far. Anyone had problems with the 8400?
spoon2 Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.07.02 19:29:00 - [85] Since the latest add-on I'm having major issue's playing Eve, my radeon 1950 pro plays fine on all other games but put eve in and it hits well over 100c prior to reseting. Have tried lots of drivers, fan tweaks, case door off, sound card disabled, nothing makes any difference. It played fine pre FW update and never went over 80c.
Krollin Minmatar Ki Shoda United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:16:00 - [86] Hi, NVidia have a press release out (think it came out yesterday) about a very large batch of 8700 cards that are faulty, they are going to have about $150-200 mill hit because of this. I new driver has been released that engages the fan sooner in an attempt to reduce this issue. I would assume that anyone who has a faulty 8700 will get an upgrade to the later version! Kro
Poast Warrior Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:28:00 - [87] Originally by: Eternal Error A game, or a piece of code, can not simply fry the hardware in and of itself. Just to quote this again in case any of you missed it. It's impossible for EVE to fry your video card or any other piece of h/w in your systems. Not possible. If you're overheating, that's a cooling system or ventilation issue.
Thmaist Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.07.03 16:12:00 - [88] Card:radeon x1950pro Eve Settings: cache off, premium on, shadows off, hdr off, turrets, effects, sound etc off. Noticed that since the last patch my card is running on average 40 degrees higher that normal (jumped from about 60 to about 100). Nothing else on my system has changed in that time, fans are still clean and working, other games run at normal temperatures as per usual. Half an hour of eve and my card's about to burn. Wtf? DesuSigs
Abbadon Caldari Pukin' Dogs D0GMA	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:33:00 - [89] For those of you with Nvidia mobile graphics: NVIDIA Admits to Selling Faulty Mobile GPUs, Could Cost it up to $200 M NVIDIA admits that some of its notebook graphics processors are failing at ôhigher than normal ratesö, in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These chip failures will cost NVIDIA anywhere between 150 and 200 million US Dollars this quarter financial year toward warranty, repair, return and replacement for laptops with such NVIDIA products incorporated. Nvidia says that ôsignificant quantitiesö of chips are experiencing thermal issues caused by possibly weak die and packaging û in essence the parts are overheating and failing, while not pointing out exactly which laptop models are affected by this. As an immediate response, NVIDIA prepared an emergency driver that maintains the fan cooling speed higher than original parameters. Expect the notebook to be noisier. SOURCE Remember...software cant damage hardware...ever!(unless your autopilot flies you into a mountain ofc) Too much heat is either faulty hardware or lack of cooling. .
Rocky Sullivan	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:56:00 - [90] going off topic here a little bit,question from a computer noob. where can i see the numbers on how hot my hardware is running??

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