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bill 1
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:02:00 -
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Seriously! well, i was semi-afk mining in what's supposed to be "safe" space, and these goons are horrible. Well not all goons but this one especially, CELOT. god just go away, stop trying to kill my hulk in hi-security space. I mean why is this even possible!? what is this game. I happen to like the goon cause and all but mining in ardene has just become IMPOSSIBLE. Why is any player ship able to kill my hulk!? Or not just me either but I've seen Celot kill countless people. It's got to be a hack or something. I demand this guy be banned or stoppped or something!
JEEZ.
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Nahh
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Nahh on 22/03/2008 07:04:35
First don't accuse someone of hacking. Second its empire not newb island where nothing can get to you.
I think Goons are the new power curve.
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Gerber Baby
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:04:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious
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Skebet
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Skebet on 22/03/2008 07:12:32
8/10
edit: upgraded the rating a bit
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Celot
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:09:00 -
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watchin indiana jones and the last crusade, it's way better than that temple of doom bull****
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bill 1
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Gerber Baby
Obvious troll is obvious
No I was mostly just frustrated and want to see some changes made. It would be nice if people out there recognized how wrong this is instead of the usual lame, "you're a troll" comments.
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Gone'Postal
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: bill 1
Originally by: Gerber Baby
Obvious troll is obvious
No I was mostly just frustrated and want to see some changes made. It would be nice if people out there recognized how wrong this is instead of the usual lame, "you're a troll" comments.
Any changes to company policy must first be submitted to the CSM, Then to CCP via the aforementioned CSM, where CCP will nod and Ignore just like the current way the players have to talk to CCP.
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Gerber Baby
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: bill 1
Originally by: Gerber Baby
Obvious troll is obvious
No I was mostly just frustrated and want to see some changes made. It would be nice if people out there recognized how wrong this is instead of the usual lame, "you're a troll" comments.
The reason I call you a troll is 1. The way you typed the original post. 2. The fact you said you support it, yet when you die, you don't. And 3. There are already threads on this topic.
Fail sauce for your fail whine. Sorry. 
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Ki Tetro
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:46:00 -
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AFK miners deserve all they get, just like AFK haulers.
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Rawr Cristina
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: bill 1
Seriously! well, i was afk mining in what's supposed to be "safe" space
1- If you were actually there, you would have noticed and warped off.
2- Nowhere in EVE is completely 'safe', CCP never implied otherwise. CONCORD come and bbq people who attack you yes, but that dosen't mean they can't kill you before this happens.
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bill 1
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gerber Baby
Edited by: Gerber Baby on 22/03/2008 07:36:45
Originally by: bill 1
Originally by: Gerber Baby
Obvious troll is obvious
No I was mostly just frustrated and want to see some changes made. It would be nice if people out there recognized how wrong this is instead of the usual lame, "you're a troll" comments.
The reason I call you a troll is 1. The way you typed the original post. 2. The fact you said you support it, yet when you die, you don't. And 3. There are already threads on this topic.
Fail sauce for your fail whine. Sorry.
edit: BTW, its already been said.. safe space is SAFER. You're never safe unless you're a station jockey.
I never said I supported the killing of what are supposed to be safe mining, I was talking about my support for RAGOON in the war against BoB.
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cal nereus
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: cal nereus on 22/03/2008 07:53:26
Originally by: Gerber Baby
Obvious troll is obvious
For once, I concur with this statement.
CCP wants it to remain possible for players to lose ships in any space, regardless of security status. The high-sec systems are only unique because of CONCORD response. The actual risk to your ship is still there, and it's supposed to be. If you want perfect safety, with absolutely no risk at all, stay docked and don't play. 
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Gerber Baby
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: bill 1
I never said I supported the killing of what are supposed to be safe mining, I was talking about my support for RAGOON in the war against BoB.
Then you fail by not explaining. Quite frankly, all talk of goons is the Jihad, not about Bob, thats old news. So, yea, you failed regardless.
I still stick to what I said. Obvious troll is obvious.
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Celot
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: Celot on 22/03/2008 08:14:20
man I just had a hallucination where I was taking a bite of a sandwich and it had perfectly cooked eggs on it
man that was a tasty sandwich
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VinkNut
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:16:00 -
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I hope they pod you back to no skill points, damn whiner
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: bill 1
Seriously! well, i was semi-afk mining in what's supposed to be "safe" space, and these goons are horrible. Well not all goons but this one especially, CELOT. god just go away, stop trying to kill my hulk in hi-security space. I mean why is this even possible!? what is this game. I happen to like the goon cause and all but mining in ardene has just become IMPOSSIBLE. Why is any player ship able to kill my hulk!? Or not just me either but I've seen Celot kill countless people. It's got to be a hack or something. I demand this guy be banned or stoppped or something!
JEEZ.
there is no safe space, there is no safe space, there is NO safe space.. keep repeating that until you get it through your little carebear brain
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This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time.
PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
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Drachtul Tun'Dull
Stair Fall
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:38:00 -
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The problem is that if you have been in the game long enough to get a Hulk, you should already be aware that a) there is always someone out there who has the patience and skills to gank you anywhere you are, in whatever ship you want; b) goons have been rampaging around targeting and killing exhumers in Empire for weeks now; c) you have to attack and kill a lot of people to be barred from many systems; d) sec status is not that hard to fix for those with access to deep space and the ability to rat out there.
You simply can't go semi-afk in a belt. Granted, I do that when running two clients and ice mining. But I remove all ice, haulers, barges and exhumers from overview, overlap the clients so that I can see the overview, have the Goonies (and Tri and everyone else known to be suiciding en masse recently) set to -10 so when they appear in the belt I can see them with their little red tags screaming "DOCK NOW!"
And if I have to actually walk away from the computer I dock. Middle of the cycle, thirty seconds from cycle finishing (I'm in barge not an exhumer for a bit still) doesn't matter. Oh, and I always bookmark and warp to a spot far away from the warp in spot in an ice belt, but not far enough away that they can warp to the ice next to me. Let another sucker be the easy mark.
Of course, part of my early Eve life was spent in a Punisher in Delve as a neutral living out of a Blood Raiders station. So I learned how to dodge folks in local and not be an easy target pretty well.
Sometimes though you're just the wrong person at the wrong place at the wrong time, and nothing you could have done would have saved you. And you just have to write off the loss as a business expense. But your overhead drops a LOT if you simply use overview filters and some smarts to see the bad guys and not be the easiest target for them.
Everyone else in the belt is your buddy. You don't have to outswim the sharks as long as you can outswim your buddy.
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Scout McAlt
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: bill 1
Seriously! well, i was afk mining in what's supposed to be "safe" space
1- If you were actually there, you would have noticed and warped off.
2- Nowhere in EVE is completely 'safe', CCP never implied otherwise. CONCORD come and bbq people who attack you yes, but that dosen't mean they can't kill you before this happens.
100% Agree. The risk for the miner is obvious and needs to stay.
I think we also need risk for the attacker, since you can suicide ships at almost no loss due to insurance. Remove insurance from this game so that people are no longer "compleatly safe" in having a insurance payout.
Keep ganking alive and remove insurance to make losses mean something for both sides.
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El'Niaga
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:47:00 -
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Goonswarm will keep it up until CCP is forced to change the rules like they did with Privateers and wardec costs. It might take a few more months.
However if your interested i've noticed a number of ex goonswarm members in exhumers in Finanar in Metropolis. Just be careful because several goons hang out in Mateber and Earwik as well.
I've noticed that a lot of miners are getting to scared to mine. Have any of you PVP types tried mining. It is at times a very boring affair. Especially Ice Mining. There is such a long time between cycles that it becomes very boring. This causes miners attentions to drift. It is hard to remain vigilant in such a circumstance and there is really no way to stop a determined suicide attack.
CCP could address the situation by taking a couple of steps.
1. Decrease the cycle time of strip miners, deep core miners, gas harvestors and ice harvestors. The cycles are just to long. Cut them in about half. This would help keep the miners attention in game and reduce incidents.
2. Remove Insurance payout if you have a criminal flag. Currently the suicide situation is such that there is no risk since you get the cost of your ship back through insurance. Increase the risk based upon the reward, and the only real way to increase this is to remove the insurance payout if you have a criminal flag.
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Daylen Drazzi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:49:00 -
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Allahu Ackbar!!
"Ya see us Goons neva lose,
If we'r dead, we'r dead so nobody cares,
If'n we win we'v won, so's only we cares
If'n we run away we always come back later
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Alyth
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Daylen Drazzi
Allahu Akhbar!!
Fixed.....can't even get your own warcry right, silly goon 
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Celot
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Celot on 22/03/2008 08:58:35
I really think that the Andechs monastery brewery is the best sight in all of europe. They have good beer, friendly germans, free tobacco that you shove up your nose, big pretzels, a wonderful view, and good beer
if you're ever takin a sabbatical to europe you should definitely go to munich, take the S-5 train to Herrsching, and then go by foot the 7 kilometers (follow the signs that say "Fussweg nach kloster andechs") to the monastery and have a couple of liter mugs
Edit: I'm pretty sure you'll have to shell out like 2 euro for the s-bahn ticket because I don't think a standard day pass takes you all the way out to the end of the tracks
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: bill 1
Originally by: Gerber Baby
Obvious troll is obvious
No I was mostly just frustrated and want to see some changes made. It would be nice if people out there recognized how wrong this is instead of the usual lame, "you're a troll" comments.
You're a troll. Proof:
Originally by: bill 1
supposed to be "safe" space
Originally by: bill 1
Why is any player ship able to kill my hulk!?
Originally by: bill 1
It's got to be a hack or something.
Originally by: bill 1
I demand this guy be banned
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J Ripper
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:05:00 -
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Welcome to EVE 
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Drachtul Tun'Dull
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Goonswarm will keep it up until CCP is forced to change the rules like they did with Privateers and wardec costs. It might take a few more months.
However if your interested i've noticed a number of ex goonswarm members in exhumers in Finanar in Metropolis. Just be careful because several goons hang out in Mateber and Earwik as well.
I've noticed that a lot of miners are getting to scared to mine. Have any of you PVP types tried mining. It is at times a very boring affair. Especially Ice Mining. There is such a long time between cycles that it becomes very boring. This causes miners attentions to drift. It is hard to remain vigilant in such a circumstance and there is really no way to stop a determined suicide attack.
Yeah, I know. I have an industrialist training up and a pvper training up and there is nothing worse than mining ice in my Retriever. In fact, I figured out that I make more money using my industrialist to haul and boost for my pvper mining in his Rokh than using each to mine separately in different ops simultaneously.
However, IF "a lot of miners are getting scared to mine" then that means nothing but good for those of us who are NOT scared to mine. There are corps out there looking for miners with the ability and the will to protect them, in lowsec, in deep space. There's a lot of belts that are almost untouched, and despite the protestations I see on this forum not every deepspace or lowsec organization requires "professional" players who are on all day long every day. In an era of capital ships, if carebears are afraid to undock, those corporations willing to cater to the needs of carebears, protect and nurture them on their own terms will prosper.
And if there aren't enough of those, then deep space alliances may end up having to adapt to a perpetual mineral shortage and use more support and fewer caps in everyday engagements.
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Tyria Sharken
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:11:00 -
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The funny thing is this... CCP has stated befor that they expect the players to 'police' themselves.. by bascialy war decking people caught abuseing rules and stuff.. Well how the heck are you sapose to 'police' yourself, then the police in the game arnt a 'risk'..
If this stuff was happening out in 0.4 or lower space, you wouldnt see a single complaint on these forums.. its happening in whats sapose to be 'safe space' from pirates.. the only thing unsafe about it is sapose to be war-decs and on the off chance you steal someones loot and their allowed to shoot at you.
As someone else said, Right now, the insurance payout covers the cost of the ships their loseing, so all their realy loseing is.. what? 1?.. maybe 2? mill per ship lost?.. you make that off 1 lv 3 mission.. their not loseing anything, but yet their takeing advantage of a flaw in the game mechanics (that being that they can kill someoen in 'safe' space.. with absolutely 0 loss of themselves 'excludeing standing loss but again.. thats easy to repair') Basiclay in my book thats an exploit.. knowingly takeing advantage of a weakness in the game mechancis to use at yoru own advantage.. Which is what their currently doing.
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:17:00 -
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One of the reasons that ships are so replaceable is that there are so many minerals out there. This may simply be that high end minerals are so low, but I'm told that there are times in Eve when one can't build a battleship for even the platinum insurance price.
If this were to change and mineral prices get to where the hull costs more than the insurance again, it would be less profitable.
I think a market solution is the best option for now. When trit hits 5 ISK per, those battleships and BC's are going to be more dear to their owners. And if that doesn't happen, then obviously this ISN'T hurting the economy and is not as widespread as the victims (who are understandably upset) would like to think.
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 22/03/2008 09:20:32
Originally by: bill 1
Seriously! well, i was semi-afk mining in what's supposed to be "safe" space[...]
"In the universe of EVE, no space is 100% safe. It is vital for every player to realize this as soon as possible after starting playing the game."
HIGHSEC -> SAFER, NOT SAFE !
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: bill 1
Seriously! well, i was semi-afk mining in what's supposed to be "safe" space...
I'll point out two misconceptions of yours:
1. You're not supposed to play 'semi-afk'.
2. High-sec is not supposed to be 'safe space'.
Originally by: bill 1
...and these goons are horrible.
Yes they are, but I fully support them in this case as they're using a perfectly valid and approved game mechanic.
More cheese perhaps??? Oh, and ..... CIHYS?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Tyria Sharken
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:33:00 -
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Quote:
2. High-sec is not supposed to be 'safe space'.
your right its not 100% safe space.. BUT what you people keep forgettign is taht its sapose to be 'safe' from all but:
1) War dec'd targets
2) if you yourself have somehow gotten yourself criminaly flagged.
Those are the only two ways that is sapose to make 'empire' unsafe. Not some brat in a throw-away ship that he actualy gets more money BACK than he loses when he suicides it to blow up a mining barg.
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