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Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:50:00 - [61] Which candidates are the most Pro Piracy?
Daveydweeb Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:31:00 - [62] Originally by: Inertial Which candidates are the most Pro Piracy? I was under the impression that the CSM was a chance for players to discuss the CCP some of the things that urgently need to be addressed in EVE: POS-related tedium (both in warfare and setting the damn things up), potentially disruptive balancing decisions, the role of supercaps and, of course, the Strange White Star. I don't really see how Piracy is really something that needs to be seriously discussed at something like this, unless you think it's somehow fundamentally broken or unfair.
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:40:00 - [63] Originally by: Daveydweeb Originally by: Inertial Which candidates are the most Pro Piracy? I was under the impression that the CSM was a chance for players to discuss the CCP some of the things that urgently need to be addressed in EVE: POS-related tedium (both in warfare and setting the damn things up), potentially disruptive balancing decisions, the role of supercaps and, of course, the Strange White Star. I don't really see how Piracy is really something that needs to be seriously discussed at something like this, unless you think it's somehow fundamentally broken or unfair. Well, which candidates are the most Pro PVP then...
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:16:00 - [64] What does "pro PvP" even mean? Like, you want a candidate who is going to suggest removing misssions and all non-pvp releated activities? Vote Goumindong for CSM
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:34:00 - [65] Originally by: Daveydweeb Originally by: Inertial Which candidates are the most Pro Piracy? I was under the impression that the CSM was a chance for players to discuss the CCP some of the things that urgently need to be addressed in EVE: POS-related tedium (both in warfare and setting the damn things up), potentially disruptive balancing decisions, the role of supercaps and, of course, the Strange White Star. I don't really see how Piracy is really something that needs to be seriously discussed at something like this, unless you think it's somehow fundamentally broken or unfair. See, I actually think that enhancing the attraction and providing better options and functionality for niche professions (like piracy) is the key to breaking down some of the really bad things (blobby lag fleets) in the Eve combat system. Improve the tools and options for pirates, anti pirates, bounty-hunters, mercs, spies and assassins and you take steps towards breaking Eve out of the "who can blob the gate with the most ships" paradigm that currently plagues combat. Both pirates and (anti pirates) need their interests represented on the CSM not only to make the game more fun for them, but because in doing so we can increase overall combat variety and diversity of engagement opportunity and hopefully improve the efficiency of the whole server. If piracy was a profession with better ransoming tools, fire-to-disable, specialist kit and module options to make that aspect of the game more immersive and alluring perhaps we'd have a few more pirates plying their trade and a few less mindless 0.0 territorial zombies blobbing out the fleet fights in 0.0 and demanding more "node-power" from the embattled devs every time a POS comes out of reinforced mode. Point is, everything is connected and the CSM needs the vision and imagination to advise on changes that will be universally good for Eve the game ... not just X,Y,Z special interest groups or political power blocs. Star Fraction Communications Relay
Talkuth Rel Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.27 22:06:00 - [66] Edited by: Talkuth Rel on 27/03/2008 22:08:57 Originally by: Nicho Void To the candidates: IMO, your candidacy would gather a great deal of relevance if (on your webpages/blogs) you supplied a list of hot button issue threads in which you have posted your views. Preferably threads showing a history of your involvement with the community. I know I would find such things helpful in my decision making. This, big time. I went to each candidate's website, read all the material, and what did I get? Mostly a lot of political speak about idealism, generic, sweeping terms and calls for "improvement," a bit of personal background info, and claims to "listen to the people." Very few candidates actually offered a concrete list of issues they intended to address at the CSM and their personal position on those issues. You want my vote? You had better give some idea on what you plan to do with the position once you get it. Broad generalizations on "making things better" aren't going to cut it. Give us details, I wan't to know your position. If you don't have a position, why should we even consider voting for you? If you're not informed about the current issues in EVE now, why should we think you will be later? Showing a solid position on issues tells us you are serious about this. All the grandstanding in the world won't make up for a lack of perspective and knowledge. You've essentially got 3 days with CCP to make a difference, you had better have some sort of action plan to pull this off right. For those few candidates who did take the time to post their priority issues and positions, thank you for this vital information. With that I am able to easily tell whose ideas I agree with, and whose I do not. As for the candidates list, only 11? I'm sure there's a few others out there, but still, if 9 of them are going to CSM, at this point it won't matter a whole lot who anyone votes for, they'll nearly all win by default! Here's hoping for a larger field of candidates soon, or else maybe the vote would be more effective if CCP let us choose who not to send.
Wu Jiun State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.27 23:08:00 - [67] Originally by: Inertial Which candidates are the most Pro Piracy? I'd like to know that too. People will always work for their lobby and rather promote their own ideas before others. I am all for making the game better. But many candidates have their special agenda (e.g. players that live in hisec-empire primarily or 0.0 warfare) so why shouldn't there be a candidate with focus on the pirate's way`?
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.27 23:45:00 - [68] Originally by: Wu Jiun Originally by: Inertial Which candidates are the most Pro Piracy? I'd like to know that too. People will always work for their lobby and rather promote their own ideas before others. I am all for making the game better. But many candidates have their special agenda (e.g. players that live in hisec-empire primarily or 0.0 warfare) so why shouldn't there be a candidate with focus on the pirate's way`? Probably the one with the most personal interest in Piracy would be Verone. Being the CEO of VETO and all. Vote Goumindong for CSM
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.27 23:48:00 - [69] Originally by: Jade Constantine If piracy was a profession with better ransoming tools, fire-to-disable, specialist kit and module options to make that aspect of the game more immersive and alluring perhaps we'd have a few more pirates plying their trade and a few less mindless 0.0 territorial zombies blobbing out the fleet fights in 0.0 and demanding more "node-power" from the embattled devs every time a POS comes out of reinforced mode. The words you are looking for are not "immersive and alluring" but incented and possibly structured. Vote Goumindong for CSM
Pooka United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2008.03.27 23:54:00 - [70] Originally by: Inertial Which candidates are the most Pro Piracy? I want to know that too...then I will not vote for them. PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT BRING THE BRIGHT STAR BACK!!!
Wu Jiun State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 00:17:00 - [71] Edited by: Wu Jiun on 28/03/2008 00:19:46 Originally by: Goumindong Probably the one with the most personal interest in Piracy would be Verone. Being the CEO of VETO and all. I don't know his campaign material but from the few posts i've seen from him it didn't look very promising regarding my inquiry. Ironically at this point i'd rather vote for hardin if it came down to only those two. You know him being CVA and all. Although he isn't a pirate by far i do believe that he can tell good game mechanic that enhance lowsec for non-pirates from outright and utter destructive nerfs of piracy both as profession and way of life in eve. Particularly because CVA knows to cope with such things under the current game mechanics also. edit: ermm and for the record i don't question verones ability ot do that just as well. only his will to prioritize his judgement over what the many may say.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.28 00:32:00 - [72] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Jade Constantine If piracy was a profession with better ransoming tools, fire-to-disable, specialist kit and module options to make that aspect of the game more immersive and alluring perhaps we'd have a few more pirates plying their trade and a few less mindless 0.0 territorial zombies blobbing out the fleet fights in 0.0 and demanding more "node-power" from the embattled devs every time a POS comes out of reinforced mode. The words you are looking for are not "immersive and alluring" but incented and possibly structured. How about you write your own speeches and I'll write mine? Seriously, its very early yet and you are already behaving in a pretty disreputable manner. What are you worried about? Lets each make our own pitch and see which message finds the greater resonance with the electorate. You really don't help your campaign by slinging mud and trying to re-write the prose of rivals. Star Fraction Communications Relay
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.28 00:53:00 - [73] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Jade Constantine If piracy was a profession with better ransoming tools, fire-to-disable, specialist kit and module options to make that aspect of the game more immersive and alluring perhaps we'd have a few more pirates plying their trade and a few less mindless 0.0 territorial zombies blobbing out the fleet fights in 0.0 and demanding more "node-power" from the embattled devs every time a POS comes out of reinforced mode. The words you are looking for are not "immersive and alluring" but incented and possibly structured. How about you write your own speeches and I'll write mine? Seriously, its very early yet and you are already behaving in a pretty disreputable manner. What are you worried about? Lets each make our own pitch and see which message finds the greater resonance with the electorate. You really don't help your campaign by slinging mud and trying to re-write the prose of rivals. The words have different and important meanings jade. Just as you use disreputable incorrectly [I am in fact not acting in a manner that impugns my moral character], you are talking about things in your post regarding modifying human behavior without using the right terms. If you want more people to pursue other activities you need to either lower the cost, or increase the benefit. Structure was probably the wrong word too, but it serves the purpose of defining how we can reduce costs. Vote Goumindong for CSM
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.28 01:05:00 - [74] Originally by: Goumindong The words have different and important meanings jade. Just as you use disreputable incorrectly [I am in fact not acting in a manner that impugns my moral character] Well since we're entering into an election campaign I'd argue strongly that you tampering with the chosen words of an electoral rival is actually the very definition of a disreputable act. I've asked you to present your own speeches and not try to misinterpret and smear the words of others. The reputable thing for you to do at this point is to nod, agree, and henceforth make arguments on your own merit rather than playing silly misquoting games for ill-conceived notions of debating advantage. It seems we'll agree about nothing you and I (even in the code of conduct for debate itelf) - still, I imagine it will make for a more entertaining spectacle for the audience if nothing else. Star Fraction Communications Relay
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.28 01:33:00 - [75] If you don't want to get things right for the game and just want to whine about how its so unfair that someone else might be able to correct what you are saying so that it really will have the intended effect then that is your prerogative. Vote Goumindong for CSM
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.28 02:43:00 - [76] Originally by: Goumindong If you don't want to get things right for the game and just want to whine about how its so unfair that someone else might be able to correct what you are saying so that it really will have the intended effect then that is your prerogative. Weak sauce. It should be clear by now that I don't actually think you do understand "whats good for the game." If I did have faith that you actually knew what you were talking about then I'd probably not be running against you would I? And I really don't know what you are referring too when you mention whining ... far as I can tell nobody has been doing that. Just a series of debates and disagreements. Why lower the tone of the discussion by using emotive pejorative language in an attempt to stir up bad tempers? Look, I know what passes for debate inside goonswarm now (as do the general readership of CAOD following your leader's address to the troops. But do you think you could make an effort to keep a respectful tone to your language when discussing matters with the rest of us mere "pubbies" - just for appearance sake and all that. Fair enough with you? Star Fraction Communications Relay
Kaaze Meriivaas State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 04:23:00 - [77] god, what a joke. Are there any candidates who know how to audit a database? Any? Bueller?
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.28 05:12:00 - [78] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/03/2008 02:49:04 Originally by: Goumindong If you don't want to get things right for the game and just want to whine about how its so unfair that someone else might be able to correct what you are saying so that it really will have the intended effect then that is your prerogative. Weak sauce. It should be clear by now that I don't actually think you do understand "whats good for the game" like it was some sacred truth and I certainly don't think you are able to decide such things impartially given your previous-stated support of the status quo in POS warfare matters. If I did have faith that you actually knew what you were talking about then I'd probably not be running against you would I? And I really don't know what you are referring too when you mention whining in the context of this discussion ... far as I can tell nobody has been doing that. Just a series of debates and disagreements. Why lower the tone of the proceedings by using emotive pejorative language in an attempt to stir up bad tempers? Look, I know what passes for debate inside Goonswarm now (as do the general readership of CAOD following your leader's address to the troops. But do you think you could at least make an effort to keep a respectful tone to your language when discussing matters with the rest of us mere "pubbies" - just for appearance sake and all that while the election campaign continues - Fair enough with you? Stop trolling this thread and rp elsewhere you tactless boob. On topic, Guo's campaign statement is easily the most literate and analytical evaluation of game mechanics I may have ever read, all the other blogs and embarrassingly sincere attempts at persuasion pale in comparison not only in their lack of scope but their fundamental inability to separate facts from values. Guo epitomizes the best of Eve: literate, analytical and often insightful. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
C601 Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.28 05:54:00 - [79] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Jade Constantine If piracy was a profession with better ransoming tools, fire-to-disable, specialist kit and module options to make that aspect of the game more immersive and alluring perhaps we'd have a few more pirates plying their trade and a few less mindless 0.0 territorial zombies blobbing out the fleet fights in 0.0 and demanding more "node-power" from the embattled devs every time a POS comes out of reinforced mode. The words you are looking for are not "immersive and alluring" but incented and possibly structured. How about you write your own speeches and I'll write mine? Seriously, its very early yet and you are already behaving in a pretty disreputable manner. What are you worried about? Lets each make our own pitch and see which message finds the greater resonance with the electorate. You really don't help your campaign by slinging mud and trying to re-write the prose of rivals. Jade Constantine = Trader/Scammer Sure you will have my vote.
Shatana Fulfairas Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.03.28 07:22:00 - [80] Hi My name is Shatana Fulfairas Ive have also applied for the CSM My application went in yesterday My Website is Shatana's Campaign Website Hope to See you all along the campaign trail Shatana Fulfairas Strength through Unity - Honour and Serve Candidate for CSM Who is the Question What is the Thought Why is the Reply Where is the Place When is the Time How is the Means I am the Answer
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.28 09:20:00 - [81] I really don't want this to turn into a CSM discussion thread, folks. Just candidate info, pure and simple. warp drive active \| nature vraie
MongWen Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:56:00 - [82] Originally by: MongWen How about me? am i worthy? Site: [Website] "Will fight issues that affect the fight against Real Money Trade." there site up =P ------------------------- Vote MongWen For The CMS. [Campaign Site]
Stermy Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate The Omni Federation	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:58:00 - [83] Stermy - "Where the newer guys get a voice also."
Eth Mondarr Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.29 06:04:00 - [84] OZ, just took a look at your site. I realize it is under development, but you may want to put some content limitations on your google ads... a CSM candidate site advertising for isk sellers...huh... Cheers and good luck to all... Eth
Dymetrie	Posted - 2008.03.29 12:27:00 - [85] Edited by: Dymetrie on 29/03/2008 12:27:34 I appear to have submitted my application for the CSM :) Dymetrie http://www.oc-ps.co.uk/csm "Caring for bears since 2004" -------------- I've seen the future.... ...It's strangely Familiar
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:20:00 - [86] Okay then, I've submitted my formal application to the campaign for CSM election. So thats: Candidate = Jade Constantine Campaign Blog = Jade Constantine CSM 2008 blog Voice Lecture to Eve-Uni = Individuality and Freedom in Eve Online Tagline = "Dynamism in Space Combat, watch outposts explode!" Full CSM Manifesto is on the blog here and contains the policies I'll be promoting during the campaign and directly to the CCP developers should I be elected. (I've linked the Eve-University lecture from this week as well since it will an insight into the personality behind Jade - and let you know a little more about who it is who wants your vote!) So there we go, game on! CSM Election Manifesto 2008
Serenity Steele Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:58:00 - [87] I've created eve-csm.com to handle CSM info until something official arrives. I'll mirror this thread's content there, while I pull together some info for candidates. The purpose is also if anyone in the CSM would like have hosting, you get a sub-directory and FTP access gratis. Can't have the little guy without hosting suffer ≡v≡ Strategic Maps - Outposts & Sov - Alliance Rank
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.30 17:12:00 - [88] Love it or hate it, you gotta admit, this community is pretty amazing. There are so many good candidates it's going to be hard to choose. With terms limited to 2 terms at 6 months a pop, finding 9 new dynamic, interesting and qualified people might be a little difficult in the future. For now we have famous personalities like Jade, Hardin and Verone, who will it be in the future? Prolly some guy we've never heard of from XYZ alliance.
TornSoul BIG Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.03.30 21:20:00 - [89] Application submitted Candidate : TornSoul Campaign website : http://CSM.BIG-EVE.com Campaign Q&A thread : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=738229 Tagline : "The BIG Picture" BIG Lottery
Serenity Steele Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information	Posted - 2008.03.30 22:05:00 - [90] Originally by: TornSoul Application submitted Candidate : TornSoul Campaign website : http://CSM.BIG-EVE.com Campaign Q&A thread : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=738229 Tagline : "The BIG Picture" Added to http://eve-csm.com ≡v≡ Strategic Maps - Outposts & Sov - Alliance Rank

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