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Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:45:00 - [1] So I was running some lvl 4 missions, and I get a storyline. Oh boy, it's Special Delivery again. First of all, what the **** is going through your minds, CCP that you give storyline missions to move 40,000m^3 to pure combat pilots? Do you actually hate your players or something? That's just ridiculous. I could understand if it were given to players that have been doing courier missions for ages, but this is absurd. To make matters worse, my alt and I had to haul that ***** through Jita. And since I'm a combat pilot and my alt mostly is too it took me seven *** trips to haul it all and then get back to my base of operations. This would still only be very ridiculous. But the fact that Jita is still a god damn death trap it's taken me about 4 hours and I'm not done yet. And you've had the option to fix jita for over a year, and still nothing. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised given that the UI has been broken since the game was released and you've done squat about that too. But I guess adding female corpses is more important to you than fixing things that matter. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs**
Basileus Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:49:00 - [2] I rate this 7 out of 10 on the Rant Scale. Well done on that contribution!
annoing MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:50:00 - [3] I find it laughable if you think CCP cant, wont or havent screwed everything up that they've touched with this game IE: Nerf bat without thought, half hearted buffs that have no real effect. Therefore grow up, accept the **e that ccp put us thru or leave -- and i mean that in a friendly, carebearing, fluffy pink kind of way Dwi Cymraig** According to the Pastafarian belief system, pirates are "absolute divine beings" and the original Pastafarians. Their image as "thieves and outcasts" is misinformation.
Lori Carlyle Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:53:00 - [4] Xaen, When I first started posting on these forums I found you to be very annoying, attacking the company that made a great game... Now I can't agree with you enough.. ---- CCP Please answer the following Questions.
AndrewRyan Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:54:00 - [5] Hmm Xaen a Badger II with T2 cargo expander's and only Caldari industrial level 3 has over 1200m3 cargo space so it would have took you less than 4 trips. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Wet Ferret Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:54:00 - [6] Yeah, in the meantime just ignore those offers
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:59:00 - [7] Originally by: AndrewRyan Hmm Xaen a Badger II with T2 cargo expander's and only Caldari industrial level 3 has over 1200m3 cargo space so it would have took you less than 4 trips. You fail at math. 40,000 / 1200 = 34 trips - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
AndrewRyan Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: AndrewRyan Hmm Xaen a Badger II with T2 cargo expander's and only Caldari industrial level 3 has over 1200m3 cargo space so it would have took you less than 4 trips. You fail at math. 40,000 / 1200 = 34 trips No I fail at typing I missed a zero out its actually over 12000m3 ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Lori Carlyle Xaen, When I first started posting on these forums I found you to be very annoying, attacking the company that made a great game... Now I can't agree with you enough.. If constructive criticism is an attack, then I guess you're right. If I'm a bit acerbic, it's because I'm unable to comprehend how so many crucial things are left broken for so unbelievably long of a time while the company focuses on adding stupid features that many players don't care about. Like ambulation, heat, and female corpses. All the while, Jita is a deathtrap, mission hubs are veritable deathtraps, fleet warfare is a joke, and the user interface is the biggest impediment to gameplay since the game was released. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:05:00 - [10] Yes i get that one as well sometimes, don't understand whats so hard about it though? I mean i load up both me haulers and away i go, all 3 jumps. shrugs _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Lord Haur Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:08:00 - [11] Originally by: AndrewRyan No I fail at typing I missed a zero out its actually over 12000m3 40,000/12,000 = 3.4 trips, you can't make .4 of a trip.
JonLuc McPew Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:13:00 - [12] Tell ya what I'D do: I'd look at the payout for the mission, and use it ALL to create a courier contract, maybe add a bit more isk, to get the folks who are on the ball and will do it quickly. Whatever money I lost would beat the hell out of hours of hauling that sh*t.
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Xaen To make matters worse, my alt and I had to haul that ***** through Jita. You never have to haul that *** ** through Jita: http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/route_finder.php Just type Jita in the "Systems to avoid" box and plot your route using set destination + add waypoint. I made good use of that for a courier mission just today in fact. As to the rest, there is never any good reason not to have at least industrial 3 for at least one race... especially if you've got an alt. Indy 3 takes less than a day and the ships are so cheap you can just pick one up as you need it and then resell it when you're done with it; T2 expanders only require Hull Upgrades 2. Take a day out, train it up, and give those neck veins a rest champ. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Lisento Slaven The Drekla Consortium VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Xaen First of all, what the **** is going through your minds, CCP that you give storyline missions to move 40,000m^3 to pure combat pilots? --- This would still only be very ridiculous. But the fact that Jita is still a god damn death trap it's taken me about 4 hours and I'm not done yet. And you've had the option to fix jita for over a year, and still nothing. --- I guess I really shouldn't be surprised given that the UI has been broken since the game was released and you've done squat about that too. But I guess adding female corpses is more important to you than fixing things that matter. 3 issues hidden in topic which you're rallying in your sig ironically. Which are all ironically to tinyurl? 1st issue - Storyline missions do not differentiate between "combat" characters and "industrial" characters. Storyline missions cover a wide array of things. Your issue is not that you had to haul so much, it's that you had to haul anything at all. Storyline missions don't work that way on purpose. If you want to kill things 100% of the time just don't accept the ones that don't offer kill objectives. 2nd issue - Jita (which you had to haul through). You do not have to haul through Jita. You could have gone around it and saved yourself a lot of time. You put yourself through that hell-hole for 4 trips on purpose because you wouldn't go around it. If you argue going around it takes just as long to fly through it...I don't know about all that (or maybe your destination was somehow impossible to go around Jita?) 3rd issue - Has absolutely nothing to do with the first two. In fact I don't even know what you're referring to... --- Put in space whales!
Corwain Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:17:00 - [15] Sounds pretty cruel and unusual Xaen. Haha, usually I regret training this char to be a losec trade route runner the first few months of my EVE career. Then there are things like this that makes me actually happy I trained for an Itty Mark V. I can do nearly the whole thing in one trip with the Itty V I have with 5x Cargo Expander IIs and 3 cargo capacity rigs. At least the thing is getting some use since I can't use it in my Thanatos ship maint array for uber haulage anymore. --
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 23/03/2008 22:21:12 Under "My Account" there is a nice little button that will solve your problems with Eve. It's listed as "Cancel subscription." That button is your salvation Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Lord Haur Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 23/03/2008 22:21:12 Under "My Account" there is a nice little button that will solve your problems with Eve. It's listed as "Cancel subscription." That button is your salvation if you decide to do this, please contract all your stuff to me
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Lisento Slaven 3 issues hidden in topic which you're rallying in your sig ironically. I'm not trying to hide anything. And it's coincidental, not ironic. Originally by: Lisento Slaven Which are all ironically to tinyurl? The only reason they're tinyurl'd is so that all three fit in my sig. Again, not ironic. Please look up the definition of irony before further posting. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Quelque Chose You never have to haul that ***** through Jita: http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/route_finder.php Just type Jita in the "Systems to avoid" box and plot your route using set destination + add waypoint. I made good use of that for a courier mission just today in fact. Omfg, ty. I only wish the in game autopilot wasn't so brain dead. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs**
Anaalys Fluuterby Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Quelque Chose You never have to haul that ***** through Jita: http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/route_finder.php Just type Jita in the "Systems to avoid" box and plot your route using set destination + add waypoint. I made good use of that for a courier mission just today in fact. Omfg, ty. I only wish the in game autopilot wasn't so brain dead. Actaully there is still a spur of a few systems that you have to go through Jita to get too CCP even acknowledged several months ago they needed re-routed, but guess what? Originally by:** Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Actaully there is still a spur of a few systems that you have to go through Jita to get too CCP even acknowledged several months ago they needed re-routed, but guess what? Didn't know that, that sucks. OTOH I always check routes before accepting a courier mission anyway, and if it was Jita or nothing I'd take nothing TBH. It kind of reminds me of how in the US one highly successful recruiting offer trucking companies sometimes make is "No New York City." ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Treean Ivy League Research Foundation Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:39:00 - [22] Props again Xaen. CCP's developers suck. This is a good game but could you imagine how much better it could be if there were good developers working on this game?
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Treean Props again Xaen. CCP's developers suck. This is a good game but could you imagine how much better it could be if there were good developers working on this game? I think the developers are probably ok, I've found that most are, but you gotta reign them in sometimes and give them direction and organization to get the best product out of them. So it's the leadership that probably sucks, not the developers themselves. Though most of the code I've seen appears to be written by junior/associate level developers rather than senior/principals. I think this says it best and most succinctly: Eve is the better game, WoW is better run. I wonder if perhaps the game wouldn't be better off if Blizzard bought out CCP. I mean the WoW market and the EVE market don't really overlap. Totally different games beyond the umbrella acronym they fall under. So there wouldn't really be a need to shut the game down if they did buy it. Things could only get better. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Ulstan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.24 00:04:00 - [24] Quote: Hmm Xaen a Badger II with T2 cargo expander's and only Caldari industrial level 3 has over 1200m3 cargo space so it would have took you less than 4 trips. ... Less than 4 trips is 3 trips. 3x1200 = 3,600. Which is less than one tenth of the total volume. Assuming you left out a 0 3x12000 = 36,000 Which is still less than the total volume he needs to haul.
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.03.24 00:44:00 - [25] Don't you have friends that would help you? Or, you could just do something radical like, I don't know, reject the storyline. Wad
Drizit FREEDOM FIRST Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:01:00 - [26] Xaen. It might be a pain but training up a good alt hauler is not rocket science. Also, don't you have any friends? If you play solo, you have to put up with these things occasionally. --
BiglipsMarie University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:22:00 - [27] "Dear CCP please make this game really easy because it's too hard because I can't just go do your storyline in 15 minutes without thinking about it with my character how I made him thanks." Dude, if you are not qualified to do the storyline, and you can't figure out a way to do it, TURN IT DOWN and stop whining.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Xaen I think this says it best and most succinctly: Eve is the better game, WoW is better run. I wonder if perhaps the game wouldn't be better off if Blizzard bought out CCP. I mean the WoW market and the EVE market don't really overlap. Totally different games beyond the umbrella acronym they fall under. So there wouldn't really be a need to shut the game down if they did buy it. Things could only get better. Considering that all of Blizzard's best-known games are blatant, blatant rip-offs of Heinlein and Tolkien with no significant creative contributions added by Blizzard themselves, I don't think that Eve needs to be involved with them in any way. Blizzard's success comes from making the safest possible choices in an attempt to appeal to everyone. Such a philosophy runs counter to the guiding principles of Eve's development IMO.
sesanti Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.03.24 02:25:00 - [29] Edited by: sesanti on 24/03/2008 02:31:20 Originally by: Xaen So I was running some lvl 4 missions, and I get a storyline. Oh boy, it's Special Delivery again. First of all, what the **** is going through your minds, CCP that you give storyline missions to move 40,000m^3 to pure combat pilots? Do you actually hate your players or something? That's just ridiculous. I could understand if it were given to players that have been doing courier missions for ages, but this is absurd. To make matters worse, my alt and I had to haul that ***** through Jita. And since I'm a combat pilot and my alt mostly is too it took me seven ***** trips to haul it all and then get back to my base of operations. This would still only be very ridiculous. But the fact that Jita is still a god damn death trap it's taken me about 4 hours and I'm not done yet. And you've had the option to fix jita for over a year, and still nothing. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised given that the UI has been broken since the game was released and you've done squat about that too. But I guess adding female corpses is more important to you than fixing things that matter. And? You say "again" which means you have already done it, so how come it comes as such a surprise? You know you can get that mission. But anyway, that is not the point, of course not. The point is that you have been playing since 2005 and you have not trained even the smallest transport ship your race can fly? You are a "pure" combat pilot? Then that's the point, you fail. Stop trolling, go train Industrial to level 3 or 4 and stop being a joke, man! _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
DogSlime Wilde Cards	Posted - 2008.03.24 02:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Xaen I think this says it best and most succinctly: Eve is the better game, WoW is better run. Considering that all of Blizzard's best-known games are blatant, blatant rip-offs of Heinlein and Tolkien with no significant creative contributions added by Blizzard themselves, I don't think that Eve needs to be involved with them in any way. Blizzard's success comes from making the safest possible choices in an attempt to appeal to everyone. Such a philosophy runs counter to the guiding principles of Eve's development IMO. Blizzard would mess the game up if they were allowed to tinker with the central principles of Eve, but then CCP don't seem very competent either. Eve feels like a beta version. They try to expand their playerbase, but the infrastructure is clearly groaning under the number of players already in the game. The boot.ini issue was an example of CCP's "keystone cops" approach to running the Eve system. Someone should have lost their job for that, but my guess is that their staff always get away with it. Since they all know they can get away with utter sloppiness, there is no way the game will ever be as good as it ought to be (or as CCP claim it is). Still, Eve is probably better off in the hands of the imbeciles at CCP than it would be if Blizzard had it. The game would run well, but it would be a worse game.
Lisento Slaven The Drekla Consortium VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 03:01:00 - [31] No what I found ironic was the whole point of this thread was to bump your other threads. Unless you're actually arguing something other than the points I listed in my first post...which you didn't even address. --- Put in space whales!
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.24 03:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Lisento Slaven No what I found ironic was the whole point of this thread was to bump your other threads. Unless you're actually arguing something other than the points I listed in my first post...which you didn't even address. Still didn't look up ironic, did you. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Aclyn Seriy	Posted - 2008.03.24 03:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Xaen Whine
Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:23:00 - [34] People, dont go to Jita! There, I fixed the Jita problem!
Wet Ferret Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Valron Xizor People, dont go to Jita! There, I fixed the Jita problem! That's almost as brilliant as quitting EVE to fix lag in general. I say we all do this immediately!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:48:00 - [36] With posts like the OP, it's just mystifying why the Devs don't participate in the forums more. Really, I can't understand it. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ssoraszh Tzarszh The Royal Engineers	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:50:00 - [37] I find it funny how its always the same people that keep on having these problems And the arrogance of calling the Dev's bad and having to point them into the right direction is epic fail. Dear Sir please point me to a game that holds 35 to 40 thousand people online at the same time that YOU have programmed that does EVERYTHING better than CCP? We have a saying over here that roughly translates to : The best captains are te ones standing on the shore. It means that its always easier to point out what others are doing wrong than actualy doing it yourself. Oh and if you actualy wanted teh attention of the developers, creating a post without all those "********" would make more sence as they might actualy be botehred to read your rant then. have fun programming a better, bigger and bugfree competitor of EVE Online, call it ADAM Online so i can easily google it.
Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:51:00 - [38] Edited by: Valron Xizor on 24/03/2008 11:52:30 Originally by: Wet Ferret Originally by: Valron Xizor People, dont go to Jita! There, I fixed the Jita problem! That's almost as brilliant as quitting EVE to fix lag in general. I say we all do this immediately! I didnt think of that! Fantastic! - 5 minutes on the forums and we solve all of Eve's problems. Ok next problem please...
CRUSH BOSS BigMek Industries GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.24 12:16:00 - [39] To the OP, Wow, <- (there is a nice little game for you) the levels of negativity towards the devs is fairly high now days, but your squealing about the time it takes to do a level 4 mission is just absurd, it's a mission; i'ts supposed to take time to do. Quote: I'm a combat pilot and my alt mostly is too what sort of combat pilot are you? pve combat? :insert virtual laughing here: Quote: I guess I really shouldn't be surprised given that the UI has been broken since the game was released Which part of the GUI doesn't work - be specific please - i have yet to encounter a total failure of it's opertaion. We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE Don't troll in your signature please. -Hango
Aem White-Noise	Posted - 2008.03.24 12:21:00 - [40] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 23/03/2008 22:21:12 Under "My Account" there is a nice little button that will solve your problems with Eve. It's listed as "Cancel subscription." That button is your salvation Always someone with something negative to say, trying to get their post counts higher, thus e-limelight up.
Cailais VITOC	Posted - 2008.03.24 12:34:00 - [41] Youre whining because YOU didnt train industrial skills and YOU chose to focus on "PVP" and then YOU went to an NPC agent (who couldnt care less who YOU are and just wants the job done). WTF?? Courier it, ask for help, I dunno - just do something else, anything else other than come on here asking for CCP to make the game easier for YOU. C. Improved Low Sec Idea!!
Par'Gellen Tres Hombres	Posted - 2008.03.24 13:28:00 - [42] Edited by: Par''Gellen on 24/03/2008 13:30:56 Originally by: Xaen If I'm a bit acerbic, it's because I'm unable to comprehend how so many crucial things are left broken for so unbelievably long of a time while the company focuses on adding stupid features that many players don't care about. I agree 150% with that statement. If CCP wonders why they get so much hate on the forums, that right there says it all. To any dev reading this post: Take a note for crying out loud! Edit: Thanks for finally fixing mobile drones (after 5 years). Unfortunately now sentries can't remember what the hell they are doing for more than 30 seconds... Yay... yay... --- To err is human. But it shouldn't be the company motto...
General Oni Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.03.24 13:34:00 - [43] I had a strange mission too. My agent, who has always given me combat missions and according to all the sites should only give combat, told me to go mining in lowsec. While I can afford to lose a ship I'd rather not **** one away so frivolously so I told him I wouldn't do this one. Luckily it wasn't a storyline mission, just a normal one.
Annaphera The Green Machine	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Treean Props again Xaen. CCP's developers suck. This is a good game but could you imagine how much better it could be if there were good developers working on this game? I think the developers are probably ok, I've found that most are, but you gotta reign them in sometimes and give them direction and organization to get the best product out of them. So it's the leadership that probably sucks, not the developers themselves. Though most of the code I've seen appears to be written by junior/associate level developers rather than senior/principals. Ah...never worked in the computer industry, have you? If "senior programmers" were forced to do the whole thing, the cost of getting it done would be sky-high. Second, just how on earth do you tell the difference between a "junior" and "senior" programmer's code? Is there a stamp somewhere? Just having sloppy code doesn't mean anything, some older programmers refuse to give up old styles even when better things come along. I think it boils down to - if you think you can do better, go apply for a job with CCP. If you don't have the skills to get that job, lay off on the programmers. Same goes for developing, and management. Originally by: Xaen I think this says it best and most succinctly: Eve is the better game, WoW is better run. I wonder if perhaps the game wouldn't be better off if Blizzard bought out CCP. I mean the WoW market and the EVE market don't really overlap. Totally different games beyond the umbrella acronym they fall under. So there wouldn't really be a need to shut the game down if they did buy it. Things could only get better. WoW is better run?! You've got to be kidding! Their economy is out of control (EVE's is fairly good, look at the quarterlies), there is NO incentive for player groups to interact, the setting is totally static, and something is always broken. Blizzard takes over, and non-consensual PvP is a thing of the past, Tranquility will be fragmented into a hundred servers only able to handle a thousand or so players each, and the whole game will turn into a rush for the next shiny new toy. Blizzard wants to make money, and there seems to be a lot of it in the "completely 'Carebear'" model of MMO. They also are no better at some things than anyone else. I have a few friends that still play WoW...several of them were quite aggravated recently to discover that the servers they play on were down for the better part of a day. Still want to go there?
XenoPagan Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:03:00 - [45] whoa. cranky
Viglen Taurus Inc Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:19:00 - [46] This has really made my day! My time on the forums went from reading interesting tales, hunting down good setups, discussing the next bit thing in EVE, to checking who's the biggest whiner of the day!! And this post is gooooooood, he got a standing mission, ohhh goody, but wait,,,,, this can't be done in 5 mins, ohhhh no!!!!!
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:35:00 - [47] I still don't understand how this is a screw-up squared?
Jamier Legov Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.03.24 16:03:00 - [48] May I suggest some 'Vieux Boulogne'?
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.24 16:30:00 - [49] Originally by: Annaphera Ah...never worked in the computer industry, have you? I think my boss would be really surprised to hear you say that. If I haven't been working on projects for him all this time he's really going to wonder who the hell has been getting it done. Originally by: Annaphera Still want to go there? I never said I wanted to. I have seven RL friends that play WoW more than anything, but the game just doesn't appeal to me. I don't know where you got the idea that it did. Especially given that you quoted me saying "Eve is the better game..." But when bugs get fixed, the centralized areas don't lag, the servers are up for a higher % of time than EVE is, the frivolous easter eggs are all over the place, but big glaring bugs tend to get fixed sooner rather than later, there's really not contest. I'm not talking about game mechanics, I'm talking about how the game is maintained and operated. They don't do stupid audio blogs for what they're looking at changing. Their "on the drawing board" section isn't a pack of lies. Features analogous to the skill queue are added before most players realize they'd be helpful rather than never. The fundamentally broken design of armor vs. shield tanking in PvP and the racial T2 bonuses is something I continue to exploit daily and don't expect to see go away ever. CCP isn't that good. In WoW the FotM really does last about a month. Here it lasts months or years, while the UI falls apart, Jita melts and we're still wishing for the most obvious EVE feature imaginable and don't have it. I'd even sacrifice my boot.ini for a skill queue or a fixed UI! - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
facepalm johnson a sackful of sacrificial sacrifices	Posted - 2008.03.24 16:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Xaen Though most of the code I've seen appears to be written by junior/associate level developers rather than senior/principals. So you've seen some of the actual source for Eve? Gotta love these back-seat developers.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:20:00 - [51] Originally by: facepalm johnson Originally by: Xaen Though most of the code I've seen appears to be written by junior/associate level developers rather than senior/principals. So you've seen some of the actual source for Eve? Gotta love these back-seat developers. A great deal can be inferred from the end result. Something you would know intrinsically if you had any idea what you're talking about. The now movable overview that also minimizes when you hit tab? Fail The now movable drone overview that reverts to its default location when you undock? Fail The fact that all drones were overlooked when all the ships in the game got resistances changed? Fail These are mistakes that Senior Developers worthy of the title never allow to happen. If they're made by junior developers they should be caught in code review by the Senior developers. If the "Senior Developers" aren't doing code reviews, they are not Senior Developers. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
El Yatta Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:31:00 - [52] I spotted a typographical errror in your OP. You complained that you couldnt easily do the hauling thing because you were a combat pilot but then you said you were doing missions. Does not compute, eh? Mission runners do missions, and they should really be set up to be able to haul if needed. Combat pilots dont do missions, they do...combat! _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces
Lori Carlyle Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:53:00 - [53] Originally by: El Yatta I spotted a typographical errror in your OP. You complained that you couldnt easily do the hauling thing because you were a combat pilot but then you said you were doing missions. Does not compute, eh? Mission runners do missions, and they should really be set up to be able to haul if needed. Combat pilots dont do missions, they do...combat! Shooting NPC's is combat. Shooting Players is combat. Ones easy, ones harder. ---- CCP Please answer the following Questions.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:13:00 - [54] Originally by: Xaen I only wish the in game autopilot wasn't so brain dead. kind like....you? ____________________________________________ Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Mavericks	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Xaen So I was running some lvl 4 missions, and I get a storyline. Oh boy, it's Special Delivery again. First of all, what the **** is going through your minds, CCP that you give storyline missions to move 40,000m^3 to pure combat pilots? Do you actually hate your players or something? That's just ridiculous. I could understand if it were given to players that have been doing courier missions for ages, but this is absurd. To make matters worse, my alt and I had to haul that ***** through Jita. And since I'm a combat pilot and my alt mostly is too it took me seven ***** trips to haul it all and then get back to my base of operations. This would still only be very ridiculous. But the fact that Jita is still a god damn death trap it's taken me about 4 hours and I'm not done yet. And you've had the option to fix jita for over a year, and still nothing. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised given that the UI has been broken since the game was released and you've done squat about that too. But I guess adding female corpses is more important to you than fixing things that matter. Just reject the mission dimwit. ================================================== I should really get a sig.
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:35:00 - [56] Mammoth with T2 expanders will haul 17837m3 and 20512m3 with a single cargo rig. I'm going to assume that you already have leet learning skills and all the other prerequisits for fitting so you only need to take about 4 days to get Minmatar industrial to 4. Now you can use your combat character to make that haul in two trips or just one if you get your alt into a Mammoth also. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Hamfast Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:39:00 - [57] Xaen, We have disagreed on several points, but on this one, you seem to be spot on. I run R&D missions, every few days I get a story line mission... and even the easiest encounter type are near impossible for my industrial self... Sure I can build a Golem or Kronos, but it will be a long long time before I can fly one... It seems to me that Story Line Missions should be linked in some way to the missions that precede it... based on the agent used... R&D have no encounter missions, so no encounter type Storylines... Security has 95% Encounter/5% courier - so 19 of 20 Storyline missions should be encounter... --------*****-------- Learn and be informed, because a Politicians worst nightmare is an informed voter... So choose your CSM Candidates wisely
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:23:00 - [58] Originally by: Hamfast It seems to me that Story Line Missions should be linked in some way to the missions that precede it... based on the agent used... R&D have no encounter missions, so no encounter type Storylines... Security has 95% Encounter/5% courier - so 19 of 20 Storyline missions should be encounter... That's precisely what I'm getting at. But the problem in this case happened to be exacerbated by other unrelated problems. Namely the long standing sore that is jita combined with a feature-bereft autopilot. Any one of the problems by itself and you wouldn't be seeing another whine post. But through their powers combined I wasted four hours doing a single **ty mission (since it was a storyline declining it was out of the question). And it sapped me of my will to play for the day. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs**
Hekilo Tetsatz Crimson Rebellion Cold Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:41:00 - [59] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Originally by: Xaen 1st issue - Storyline missions do not differentiate between "combat" characters and "industrial" characters. Storyline missions cover a wide array of things. Your issue is not that you had to haul so much, it's that you had to haul anything at all. Storyline missions don't work that way on purpose. If you want to kill things 100% of the time just don't accept the ones that don't offer kill objectives. The issue with storylines in my experience is that Storyline Agents are normal agents, they're just not accessible without being triggered by normal missions. And as far as I can tell what happens is that you are simply sent to the nearest storyline agent regardless of their Corp or Division. I don't think it'd be horribly difficult for CCP to put in more storyline agents and send you to one that works for the Corp and/or Division you've been running for. I wouldn't even mind getting stuck with a courier mission if it was just a random agent from the Corp. If I'm running missions for the Imperial Navy it's not because I want a standings boost and LP with Noble Appliances. :p
Alex Raptos The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:17:00 - [60] Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Originally by: Xaen So I was running some lvl 4 missions, and I get a storyline. Oh boy, it's Special Delivery again. First of all, what the **** is going through your minds, CCP that you give storyline missions to move 40,000m^3 to pure combat pilots? Do you actually hate your players or something? That's just ridiculous. I could understand if it were given to players that have been doing courier missions for ages, but this is absurd. To make matters worse, my alt and I had to haul that ***** through Jita. And since I'm a combat pilot and my alt mostly is too it took me seven ***** trips to haul it all and then get back to my base of operations. This would still only be very ridiculous. But the fact that Jita is still a god damn death trap it's taken me about 4 hours and I'm not done yet. And you've had the option to fix jita for over a year, and still nothing. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised given that the UI has been broken since the game was released and you've done squat about that too. But I guess adding female corpses is more important to you than fixing things that matter. Just reject the mission dimwit. Try that, and tell me how losing 2-4 points of standing to the empire + corp you reject it from bites you.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:47:00 - [61] Originally by: Alex Raptos Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Just reject the mission dimwit. Try that, and tell me how losing 2-4 points of standing to the empire + corp you reject it from bites you. Yeah, I got an 8.4% standings increase from completing it with a faction not a mere corp. Declining storylines is beyond dumb. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:49:00 - [62] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Alex Raptos Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Just reject the mission dimwit. Try that, and tell me how losing 2-4 points of standing to the empire + corp you reject it from bites you. Yeah, I got an 8.4% standings increase from completing it with a faction not a mere corp. Declining storylines is beyond dumb. Wow, sounds like it was worth doing anyway... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Hamfast Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:47:00 - [63] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Hamfast It seems to me that Story Line Missions should be linked in some way to the missions that precede it... based on the agent used... R&D have no encounter missions, so no encounter type Storylines... Security has 95% Encounter/5% courier - so 19 of 20 Storyline missions should be encounter... That's precisely what I'm getting at. But the problem in this case happened to be exacerbated by other unrelated problems. Namely the long standing sore that is jita combined with a feature-bereft autopilot. Any one of the problems by itself and you wouldn't be seeing another whine post. But through their powers combined I wasted four hours doing a single **ty mission (since it was a storyline declining it was out of the question). And it sapped me of my will to play for the day. So you can laugh a bit more... My Industrialist just got is 5th or 6th Storyline encounter mission in a row... As for the Jita issue, we all know Jita is a lagfest at the best of times, my agents never send me close because it's 14 jumps away... find an agent in a different Region and you don't get sent to or through Jita... While I do agree that the Auto-Pilot should have a way to eliminate some systems, it does not and as I have been told so often, Adapt... --------***-------- Learn and be informed, because a Politicians worst nightmare is an informed voter... So choose your CSM Candidates wisely
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Mavericks	Posted - 2008.03.25 16:58:00 - [64] Originally by: Alex Raptos Try that, and tell me how losing 2-4 points of standing to the empire + corp you reject it from bites you. L2P. You can reject one mission every 4 hours with no standing loss. ================================================== I should really get a sig.
Yakoff Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 23/03/2008 22:21:12 Under "My Account" there is a nice little button that will solve your problems with Eve. It's listed as "Cancel subscription." That button is your salvation I'M FREEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Thank you, sir.
Alex Raptos	Posted - 2008.04.03 23:00:00 - [66] Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Originally by: Alex Raptos Try that, and tell me how losing 2-4 points of standing to the empire + corp you reject it from bites you. L2P. You can reject one mission every 4 hours with no standing loss. Haha, this ones smart. WTS CLUE: Cannot reject storylines without losing standings. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.04.03 23:29:00 - [67] Originally by: Alex Raptos Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Originally by: Alex Raptos Try that, and tell me how losing 2-4 points of standing to the empire + corp you reject it from bites you. L2P. You can reject one mission every 4 hours with no standing loss. Haha, this ones smart. WTS CLUE: Cannot reject storylines without losing standings. Yes you can. I do it all the time. I hate faction loss so i refuse to do them Also, they can be ignored completely for a similar effect. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

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