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Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:45:00 - [1] So I was running some lvl 4 missions, and I get a storyline. Oh boy, it's Special Delivery again. First of all, what the **** is going through your minds, CCP that you give storyline missions to move 40,000m^3 to pure combat pilots? Do you actually hate your players or something? That's just ridiculous. I could understand if it were given to players that have been doing courier missions for ages, but this is absurd. To make matters worse, my alt and I had to haul that ***** through Jita. And since I'm a combat pilot and my alt mostly is too it took me seven *** trips to haul it all and then get back to my base of operations. This would still only be very ridiculous. But the fact that Jita is still a god damn death trap it's taken me about 4 hours and I'm not done yet. And you've had the option to fix jita for over a year, and still nothing. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised given that the UI has been broken since the game was released and you've done squat about that too. But I guess adding female corpses is more important to you than fixing things that matter. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs**
Basileus Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:49:00 - [2] I rate this 7 out of 10 on the Rant Scale. Well done on that contribution!
annoing MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:50:00 - [3] I find it laughable if you think CCP cant, wont or havent screwed everything up that they've touched with this game IE: Nerf bat without thought, half hearted buffs that have no real effect. Therefore grow up, accept the **e that ccp put us thru or leave -- and i mean that in a friendly, carebearing, fluffy pink kind of way Dwi Cymraig** According to the Pastafarian belief system, pirates are "absolute divine beings" and the original Pastafarians. Their image as "thieves and outcasts" is misinformation.
Lori Carlyle Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:53:00 - [4] Xaen, When I first started posting on these forums I found you to be very annoying, attacking the company that made a great game... Now I can't agree with you enough.. ---- CCP Please answer the following Questions.
AndrewRyan Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:54:00 - [5] Hmm Xaen a Badger II with T2 cargo expander's and only Caldari industrial level 3 has over 1200m3 cargo space so it would have took you less than 4 trips. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Wet Ferret Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:54:00 - [6] Yeah, in the meantime just ignore those offers
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:59:00 - [7] Originally by: AndrewRyan Hmm Xaen a Badger II with T2 cargo expander's and only Caldari industrial level 3 has over 1200m3 cargo space so it would have took you less than 4 trips. You fail at math. 40,000 / 1200 = 34 trips - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
AndrewRyan Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: AndrewRyan Hmm Xaen a Badger II with T2 cargo expander's and only Caldari industrial level 3 has over 1200m3 cargo space so it would have took you less than 4 trips. You fail at math. 40,000 / 1200 = 34 trips No I fail at typing I missed a zero out its actually over 12000m3 ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Lori Carlyle Xaen, When I first started posting on these forums I found you to be very annoying, attacking the company that made a great game... Now I can't agree with you enough.. If constructive criticism is an attack, then I guess you're right. If I'm a bit acerbic, it's because I'm unable to comprehend how so many crucial things are left broken for so unbelievably long of a time while the company focuses on adding stupid features that many players don't care about. Like ambulation, heat, and female corpses. All the while, Jita is a deathtrap, mission hubs are veritable deathtraps, fleet warfare is a joke, and the user interface is the biggest impediment to gameplay since the game was released. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:05:00 - [10] Yes i get that one as well sometimes, don't understand whats so hard about it though? I mean i load up both me haulers and away i go, all 3 jumps. shrugs _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Lord Haur Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:08:00 - [11] Originally by: AndrewRyan No I fail at typing I missed a zero out its actually over 12000m3 40,000/12,000 = 3.4 trips, you can't make .4 of a trip.
JonLuc McPew Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:13:00 - [12] Tell ya what I'D do: I'd look at the payout for the mission, and use it ALL to create a courier contract, maybe add a bit more isk, to get the folks who are on the ball and will do it quickly. Whatever money I lost would beat the hell out of hours of hauling that sh*t.
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Xaen To make matters worse, my alt and I had to haul that ***** through Jita. You never have to haul that *** ** through Jita: http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/route_finder.php Just type Jita in the "Systems to avoid" box and plot your route using set destination + add waypoint. I made good use of that for a courier mission just today in fact. As to the rest, there is never any good reason not to have at least industrial 3 for at least one race... especially if you've got an alt. Indy 3 takes less than a day and the ships are so cheap you can just pick one up as you need it and then resell it when you're done with it; T2 expanders only require Hull Upgrades 2. Take a day out, train it up, and give those neck veins a rest champ. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Lisento Slaven The Drekla Consortium VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Xaen First of all, what the **** is going through your minds, CCP that you give storyline missions to move 40,000m^3 to pure combat pilots? --- This would still only be very ridiculous. But the fact that Jita is still a god damn death trap it's taken me about 4 hours and I'm not done yet. And you've had the option to fix jita for over a year, and still nothing. --- I guess I really shouldn't be surprised given that the UI has been broken since the game was released and you've done squat about that too. But I guess adding female corpses is more important to you than fixing things that matter. 3 issues hidden in topic which you're rallying in your sig ironically. Which are all ironically to tinyurl? 1st issue - Storyline missions do not differentiate between "combat" characters and "industrial" characters. Storyline missions cover a wide array of things. Your issue is not that you had to haul so much, it's that you had to haul anything at all. Storyline missions don't work that way on purpose. If you want to kill things 100% of the time just don't accept the ones that don't offer kill objectives. 2nd issue - Jita (which you had to haul through). You do not have to haul through Jita. You could have gone around it and saved yourself a lot of time. You put yourself through that hell-hole for 4 trips on purpose because you wouldn't go around it. If you argue going around it takes just as long to fly through it...I don't know about all that (or maybe your destination was somehow impossible to go around Jita?) 3rd issue - Has absolutely nothing to do with the first two. In fact I don't even know what you're referring to... --- Put in space whales!
Corwain Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:17:00 - [15] Sounds pretty cruel and unusual Xaen. Haha, usually I regret training this char to be a losec trade route runner the first few months of my EVE career. Then there are things like this that makes me actually happy I trained for an Itty Mark V. I can do nearly the whole thing in one trip with the Itty V I have with 5x Cargo Expander IIs and 3 cargo capacity rigs. At least the thing is getting some use since I can't use it in my Thanatos ship maint array for uber haulage anymore. --
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 23/03/2008 22:21:12 Under "My Account" there is a nice little button that will solve your problems with Eve. It's listed as "Cancel subscription." That button is your salvation Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Lord Haur Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 23/03/2008 22:21:12 Under "My Account" there is a nice little button that will solve your problems with Eve. It's listed as "Cancel subscription." That button is your salvation if you decide to do this, please contract all your stuff to me
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Lisento Slaven 3 issues hidden in topic which you're rallying in your sig ironically. I'm not trying to hide anything. And it's coincidental, not ironic. Originally by: Lisento Slaven Which are all ironically to tinyurl? The only reason they're tinyurl'd is so that all three fit in my sig. Again, not ironic. Please look up the definition of irony before further posting. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Quelque Chose You never have to haul that ***** through Jita: http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/route_finder.php Just type Jita in the "Systems to avoid" box and plot your route using set destination + add waypoint. I made good use of that for a courier mission just today in fact. Omfg, ty. I only wish the in game autopilot wasn't so brain dead. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs**
Anaalys Fluuterby Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Quelque Chose You never have to haul that ***** through Jita: http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/route_finder.php Just type Jita in the "Systems to avoid" box and plot your route using set destination + add waypoint. I made good use of that for a courier mission just today in fact. Omfg, ty. I only wish the in game autopilot wasn't so brain dead. Actaully there is still a spur of a few systems that you have to go through Jita to get too CCP even acknowledged several months ago they needed re-routed, but guess what? Originally by:** Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Actaully there is still a spur of a few systems that you have to go through Jita to get too CCP even acknowledged several months ago they needed re-routed, but guess what? Didn't know that, that sucks. OTOH I always check routes before accepting a courier mission anyway, and if it was Jita or nothing I'd take nothing TBH. It kind of reminds me of how in the US one highly successful recruiting offer trucking companies sometimes make is "No New York City." ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Treean Ivy League Research Foundation Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:39:00 - [22] Props again Xaen. CCP's developers suck. This is a good game but could you imagine how much better it could be if there were good developers working on this game?
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Treean Props again Xaen. CCP's developers suck. This is a good game but could you imagine how much better it could be if there were good developers working on this game? I think the developers are probably ok, I've found that most are, but you gotta reign them in sometimes and give them direction and organization to get the best product out of them. So it's the leadership that probably sucks, not the developers themselves. Though most of the code I've seen appears to be written by junior/associate level developers rather than senior/principals. I think this says it best and most succinctly: Eve is the better game, WoW is better run. I wonder if perhaps the game wouldn't be better off if Blizzard bought out CCP. I mean the WoW market and the EVE market don't really overlap. Totally different games beyond the umbrella acronym they fall under. So there wouldn't really be a need to shut the game down if they did buy it. Things could only get better. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Ulstan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.24 00:04:00 - [24] Quote: Hmm Xaen a Badger II with T2 cargo expander's and only Caldari industrial level 3 has over 1200m3 cargo space so it would have took you less than 4 trips. ... Less than 4 trips is 3 trips. 3x1200 = 3,600. Which is less than one tenth of the total volume. Assuming you left out a 0 3x12000 = 36,000 Which is still less than the total volume he needs to haul.
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.03.24 00:44:00 - [25] Don't you have friends that would help you? Or, you could just do something radical like, I don't know, reject the storyline. Wad
Drizit FREEDOM FIRST Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:01:00 - [26] Xaen. It might be a pain but training up a good alt hauler is not rocket science. Also, don't you have any friends? If you play solo, you have to put up with these things occasionally. --
BiglipsMarie University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:22:00 - [27] "Dear CCP please make this game really easy because it's too hard because I can't just go do your storyline in 15 minutes without thinking about it with my character how I made him thanks." Dude, if you are not qualified to do the storyline, and you can't figure out a way to do it, TURN IT DOWN and stop whining.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Xaen I think this says it best and most succinctly: Eve is the better game, WoW is better run. I wonder if perhaps the game wouldn't be better off if Blizzard bought out CCP. I mean the WoW market and the EVE market don't really overlap. Totally different games beyond the umbrella acronym they fall under. So there wouldn't really be a need to shut the game down if they did buy it. Things could only get better. Considering that all of Blizzard's best-known games are blatant, blatant rip-offs of Heinlein and Tolkien with no significant creative contributions added by Blizzard themselves, I don't think that Eve needs to be involved with them in any way. Blizzard's success comes from making the safest possible choices in an attempt to appeal to everyone. Such a philosophy runs counter to the guiding principles of Eve's development IMO.
sesanti Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.03.24 02:25:00 - [29] Edited by: sesanti on 24/03/2008 02:31:20 Originally by: Xaen So I was running some lvl 4 missions, and I get a storyline. Oh boy, it's Special Delivery again. First of all, what the **** is going through your minds, CCP that you give storyline missions to move 40,000m^3 to pure combat pilots? Do you actually hate your players or something? That's just ridiculous. I could understand if it were given to players that have been doing courier missions for ages, but this is absurd. To make matters worse, my alt and I had to haul that ***** through Jita. And since I'm a combat pilot and my alt mostly is too it took me seven ***** trips to haul it all and then get back to my base of operations. This would still only be very ridiculous. But the fact that Jita is still a god damn death trap it's taken me about 4 hours and I'm not done yet. And you've had the option to fix jita for over a year, and still nothing. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised given that the UI has been broken since the game was released and you've done squat about that too. But I guess adding female corpses is more important to you than fixing things that matter. And? You say "again" which means you have already done it, so how come it comes as such a surprise? You know you can get that mission. But anyway, that is not the point, of course not. The point is that you have been playing since 2005 and you have not trained even the smallest transport ship your race can fly? You are a "pure" combat pilot? Then that's the point, you fail. Stop trolling, go train Industrial to level 3 or 4 and stop being a joke, man! _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
DogSlime Wilde Cards	Posted - 2008.03.24 02:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Xaen I think this says it best and most succinctly: Eve is the better game, WoW is better run. Considering that all of Blizzard's best-known games are blatant, blatant rip-offs of Heinlein and Tolkien with no significant creative contributions added by Blizzard themselves, I don't think that Eve needs to be involved with them in any way. Blizzard's success comes from making the safest possible choices in an attempt to appeal to everyone. Such a philosophy runs counter to the guiding principles of Eve's development IMO. Blizzard would mess the game up if they were allowed to tinker with the central principles of Eve, but then CCP don't seem very competent either. Eve feels like a beta version. They try to expand their playerbase, but the infrastructure is clearly groaning under the number of players already in the game. The boot.ini issue was an example of CCP's "keystone cops" approach to running the Eve system. Someone should have lost their job for that, but my guess is that their staff always get away with it. Since they all know they can get away with utter sloppiness, there is no way the game will ever be as good as it ought to be (or as CCP claim it is). Still, Eve is probably better off in the hands of the imbeciles at CCP than it would be if Blizzard had it. The game would run well, but it would be a worse game.

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