Neither a Jita trader nor moons create isk. In fact, because of trading fees, these sink isk.

Go back and rethink your argument.

Neither a Jita trader nor moons create isk. In fact, because of trading fees, these sink isk.

Go back and rethink your argument.

Now consider Null sec and the number of moons out there and how much each one is worth a day.

Or a jita trader with 50B collatoral

Interestin arguement, kinda irrelevant to my point, interesting though.

Interestin arguement, kinda irrelevant to my point, interesting though.

Not entirely sure the premise more isk = inflation (plex maybe an exception to this) in an economy where cost is clearly defined as NPC product and refining, where there is very little % set up cost ie an unfeasibly agile market. and such a competative combative selling arena.

TLDR you basically can't inflate the price of a product in EVE much because of the way the crafting<>Auction House system works

As you where kind enough to give me advice though, I'll return the favour. Go back rethink your assumtions about New Eden they may not be true even if they are they may not remain true everything changes.

Interestin arguement, kinda irrelevant to my point, interesting though.

Not entirely sure the premise more isk = inflation (plex maybe an exception to this) in an economy where cost is clearly defined as NPC product and refining, where there is very little % set up cost ie an unfeasibly agile market. and such a competative combative selling arena.

ISK per hour/per player

It is absolutely relevant. And yes, more currency = inflation as long as supply of goods doesn't also increase, or currency increases more quickly than supply. This is the definition of inflation, and exactly what is happening and why you are wrong.

If you check my 'birth date' you will see I joined EVE many years ago, Prices have changed little from then , the amount of ISK in the market is huge since then.

So both theory and observation say 'Infaltion in EVE is mostly a Myth'

In your experience yes, but then you PvP so that is the limited corner of the market that supply and demand effects the most.

I suppose the noctis, hulks and ravens are also massivly used in pvp too?

TLDR you basically can't inflate the price of a product in EVE much because of the way the crafting<>Auction House system works

Very popular ships that are often involved (victims) in combat though

And the rise of freighters from around 700 million to over one billion?

As well as the very steep rise all minerals.

Im sorry, but you are just too stupid to be an industrialist. You know nothing about what the markets have been doing nore have you bothered to look at the records which show rising prices while sales stay steady.

Freighters Baltec hey ... more wartargets....I suppose as far as being an industrialist , time will tell.....

If you check my 'birth date' you will see I joined EVE many years ago, Prices have changed little from then , the amount of ISK in the market is huge since then.

So when did you buy this toonie with your iskies, m8m8?

What is the point of this thread?
It appears that the OP is just arguing with everyone on topics not really specific to the OP.

Freighters Baltec hey ... more wartargets....I suppose as far as being an industrialist , time will tell.....

Discusion of branch into sub discusion about points raised, are you not familiar with this concept?

They also cause inflation and promote "No risk = Big Cash" gameplay

imo

What isn't a war target, in your resoning, then? I suppose it's true that the price of an Ibis hasn't nudged since way back when...that might be one of the only things.

Yes I am, it often is termed as derailment.

What is worrying about Incursion and should be addresed is that in this tiered system only one tier gets most of the atttention suggesting an inbalance in the tiers rather than an imbalance in the size of the reward..

Thats how I see it all anyway

That's how CCP and most MMO companies work.

They know that people with existing habits and production lines / lucrative avenues won't switch for something new on par with the old.

Furthermore CCP and most MMO companies are unsure that their new feature will be appreciated, therefore they make it overpowered and slam it in the game.

Later on, players WILL find ways to exploit the still fresh feature plus it was overpowered to begin with.

The usual outcome is that the exploits get closed (after making some people rich or banned), the new feature is over-nerfed and people start wanting something new and "worthwhile".

Next patch, they'll get the new shiny "worthwhile" content, and it will be shiny and overpowered. The cycle restarts.

Edit:
In level based MMOs, the companies flush the old content by making it obsolete as they introduce those 5-10 new levels at next expansion. CCP and the likes cannot, they only have the "put in overpowered new stuff => nerf it => put in something else newer" cycle.

I'm having a bad Atticus flashback.

And the rise of freighters from around 700 million to over one billion?

As well as the very steep rise all minerals.

incursions are a large (not huge) isk fountain

So both theory and observation say 'Infaltion in EVE is mostly a Myth'

And yes, tech moons are also an issue

No, it's pretty darn huge. At least 30+ù larger than missions on a per-character basis, and third-largest faucet overall in the game, in spite of being used by only a very small number of people.

GǪexcept that both theory and observation says that there is indeed inflation GÇö about 13% a year, to be exact.

actually op is right that there is limit how much incursions can create isk and i suppose that's only minor fraction of all isk generated.

A top score table means little without magnitudes

1. 100 Trillion isk
2. 10 Trillion isk
3. 0.01 isk

see

A drop in the ocean when you consider the rise in earnings possible not only from incursions but, WH, PI.

a 13% rise in the cost of living is relativley insignificant.

It's about GàÖ GÇö quite a large fractionGǪ

Yes, wellGǪ It's 900 billion, 350 billion and 300 billion. So yes, it's pretty darn huge, especially considering how few are using it and how much ISK it still generates.

Yes, that is the problem that needs to be addressed, and no, it is not a drop in the ocean. Incursions is by far the largest individual earner, and it is a key contributor to the significant inflation going on. Oh, and no, PI is not part of that ISK influx.

What are the other too items on the high score table if you don't mind me asking. And what length of time does that metric represent.

Also my final point was inflation was somewhat insignificant, not Incursion isk earnings.

Thought it was a troll first, but the devotion shown by the OP to spread misinformation makes me feel sorry for his own failure of understanding basic economical principles.

Mr. Alphane, throughout this topic, there are several posts, already from the first page, that empirically present theories and thesises that are in conflict with the ones you presented in the OP without empirical proof. You however have been behaving like an angry little child holding his ears shut and screaming, by dismissing those arguments by calling them "off-topic", "insignificant" and accused them of not containing enough statistics instead of actually reading them.

A quick look into the Market Discussion forums might've been useful before shitting up General...

Nerf Jita traders