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Sigma Six
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:36:00 -
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reported by GM Grimmi | 2008.03.26 17:16:09 | NEW
Using a bug in the overview to "can bait" and kill others by boarding ships in space is now classified as an exploit and action will be taken against those found doing it from here on.
I dunno what this means. can someone describe it?
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Corwain
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Corwain on 26/03/2008 20:41:45
And posting correspondence with GMs is against the rules!
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Sigma Six
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sigma Six on 26/03/2008 20:41:38
Edited by: Sigma Six on 26/03/2008 20:41:03
This is in the news.
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Yakoff
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:46:00 -
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There is another thread about it that goes into better detail, but it goes like this.
A-guy who wants to kill
B-friend of A
C-guy getting screwed.
A gets into a corp owned ship - ship remains ship name, not Pilot A on overview.
A goes to belt - only Pilot C see's badger mark ii in overview, not Pilot A.
Pilot B comes in raven - ejects from Raven. Pilot A steals loot from Pilot C can, Pilot C figures he can destroy badger from the aggression counter. While C is destroying the Badger, Pilot A boards the unpiloted Raven - and has the rights to shoot back at Pilot C without concord being involved.
Pilot C may have destroyed simple badger, but instead, looses his shiney hulk with fittings. Pilot C never realized that B left Raven into space in Pod, and A got into Raven. All because of the overview bug not showing actual piltos name - but just the ship.
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Sigma Six
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:48:00 -
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Ahh. thanks.
I wonder if finding exploits is a full-time job (career path) these days?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:49:00 -
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Heh, doubtful. Scamming people is a legitimate profession, you use an exploit more than a couple times and you get hit with the ban stick.
A career in exploiting has a slightly better outlook than one as a suicide bomber.
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Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:53:00 -
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Dude, that name bug has been around for frigging ages...
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:57:00 -
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as usual it only gets attention when it gets abused.
I'm looking for a home
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LittleTerror
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:02:00 -
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I don't get it...
Could you not just do that anyway, I mean if i stole from a persons can and had my alt sat in a raven, I then have my alt eject and warp out and I board the raven with my main while that person I stole from is shooting my hauler. I then blow him up using the raven I just boarded all using game mechanics, humm you would have to be a bit slow or stupid to think someone was called badger II or raven uh? |
Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror
humm you would have to be a bit slow or stupid to think someone was called badger II or raven uh?
You should actually try that the other way around, create a character called "Badger II" and put that in a raven, see how many people will still lock and shoot you :P
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Emily Spankratchet
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror
humm you would have to be a bit slow or stupid to think someone was called badger II or raven uh?
There's a pilot called Badger II. And Raven. Check your People & Places.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a pilot named after every ship.
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Saloris Nighthawke
Ryche's Aggressors Asylum
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Saloris Nighthawke on 26/03/2008 21:34:52
Originally by: Sigma Six
Ahh. thanks.
I wonder if finding exploits is a full-time job (career path) these days?
Ya, it sure can be. There is a whole dept of them in gamedev companies, it is called QA...
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Rui Morin
Akomu Aoshi
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:47:00 -
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Heh, taking action against the people who are using this exploit, eh? I dunno, why not just fix the bug instead? 
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
There's a pilot called Badger II. And Raven. Check your People & Places.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a pilot named after every ship.
There's an "Ibis" flying around in Lonetrek... so yes.
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Zex Maxwell
Black Watch Legionnaires
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Yakoff
Edited by: Yakoff on 26/03/2008 20:48:47
Edited by: Yakoff on 26/03/2008 20:47:04
There is another thread about it that goes into better detail, but it goes like this.
A-guy who wants to kill
B-friend of A
C-guy getting screwed.
A gets into a corp owned ship (I think it was ejected from ship maint array from pos) - ship remains ship name, not Pilot A on overview.
A goes to belt - only Pilot C see's badger mark ii in overview, not Pilot A.
Pilot B comes in raven - ejects from Raven. Pilot A steals loot from Pilot C can, Pilot C figures he can destroy badger from the aggression counter. While C is destroying the Badger, Pilot A boards the unpiloted Raven - and has the rights to shoot back at Pilot C without concord being involved.
Pilot C may have destroyed simple badger, but instead, looses his shiney hulk with fittings. Pilot C never realized that B left Raven into space in Pod, and A got into Raven. All because of the overview bug not showing actual pilots name - but just the ship. (Not sure if the Raven was jettisoned from POS but I believe so so it only shows Raven name).
Wow, this bug was going on for a long time now, why is it getting attation now?
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Emily Spankratchet
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.03.26 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zex Maxwell
Wow, this bug was going on for a long time now, why is it getting attation now?
As Tzar'rim said, it's just started being abused. I've seen some complaints in Crime & Punishment and other forums about it from confused victims. I guess a petition got escalated to a senior GM who put 2 and 2 together.
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Poreuomai
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 27/03/2008 09:24:28
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This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards,
The EVE Online Moderation team
Do not post "how to" guides on exploits - Mitnal
Mitnal - CCP say in the news that something involving "a bug in the overview to "can bait" and kill others by boarding ships in space" is now an exploit, without telling us what the exploit actually is.
How am I supposed to know what is a bannable offence if you neither explain it nor let other people explain it.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
How am I supposed to know what is a bannable offence if you neither explain it nor let other people explain it.
Because if you used it you would know you are. This exploit isn't something that you just happened to stumble over and get banned - you are well aware of what you are doing if you do it.
As for fixing it, that overview bug has been in for a long time, I've seen it happen to motherships since middle 2007.
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Poreuomai
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 27/03/2008 09:40:18
Originally by: Chribba
Because if you used it you would know you are. This exploit isn't something that you just happened to stumble over and get banned - you are well aware of what you are doing if you do it.
That may or may not be the case (I have no idea because I don't know what it is, though I will take you at your word because you are a very trusted player) but generally it seems a bit silly for CCP to say 'something' is a bannable offence without actually saying what it is.
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Stannis Breaker
United Freemen Holding Corporation
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:46:00 -
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I have to say I agree.
If anyone is caught using whatever this thing is then they will get punished so why not simply tell us what it is. That is unless you really dont have a way of monitoring it.....
I will just let this devil's advocate drop my 2 isk's worth on the table...
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
That may or may not be the case (I have no idea because I don't know what it is, though I will take you at your word because you are a very trusted player) but generally it seems a bit silly for CCP to say 'something' is a bannable offence without actually saying what it is.
Well generally, if a bank was hacked, would they make a pressrelease detailing how the bank was hacked? That would most likely open up to even more attempts in similar ways as well as same ways.
Maybe not the best way of comparing but still the direction is pretty much the same. Revealing the details on how to execute something that breaks the rules of how CCP designed it will in most cases only cause more problems, which in turn gives us longer petition queues and grief/whine threads, making more people feel less of the game.
Evil circle, I dunno. Personal thoughts.
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Poreuomai
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:56:00 -
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Would it not even be possible for CCP to state what are the symptoms of the bug without explaining how it can be exploited?
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.03.27 10:04:00 -
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There's no need.
For the ones that know about the trick and/or use it it's enough to know, for the ones that DON'T know about the trick, so much the better.
Why do you want to know what the exploit is exactly? As long as it's not fixed I really hope you do understand it would be foolish to out the exact specifics.
End of story until fixed or it gets abused again.
I'm looking for a home
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Nova Fox
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.27 10:12:00 -
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can we get a full explination AFTER they fix it?
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Poreuomai
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.27 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim
Why do you want to know what the exploit is exactly?
I already explained.
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Vagablonde
Ouruboros Trading
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Posted - 2008.03.27 12:52:00 -
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Welp i guess i'll post the details of this exploit then.
in chinese of course.
我现在排斥他们, 它是, 战斗机由载体使用。 能我有您的材料, 去戏剧哇。我现在排斥他们, 它是, 战斗机由载体使用, 能我有您的材料。 去戏剧哇!。
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 12:54:00 -
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Eve-search.
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Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vagablonde
我现在排斥他们, 它是, 战斗机由载体使用。 能我有您的材料, 去戏剧哇。我现在排斥他们, 它是, 战斗机由载体使用, 能我有您的材料。 去戏剧哇!。
I now reject them, it is that fighters from the use of carrier. Can I have your materials to drama wow. I now reject them, it is that fighters from the carrier use, can I have your materials. Drama to wow!.
Wow, that made sense...
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Frederick Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.27 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
How am I supposed to know what is a bannable offence if you neither explain it nor let other people explain it.
By petition. If you're thinking of doing something that sounds similar to what is descibed in the news then fire off a petition (I think it goes under exploit).
"I can do X. Is this naughty?"
It takes a couple of minutes to describe your plan and thirty seconds for the GM to respond with "Dear Gods, don't do that" or "Your griefing is approved" or whatever.
In the meantime, it is and will almost certainly remain CCP's policy to not explain how to casually break the game rules to the uninformed masses until such a time as they can no longer do it.
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Shurikane
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.03.27 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Frederick Lyrus
"I can do X. Is this naughty?"
X? I know that girl. Oh yes, it was very, very naughty. 
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