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Sabrina Treadehugger Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.27 22:38:00 - [121] Edited by: Sabrina Treadehugger on 27/03/2008 22:39:09 "They WANTED to make freighters valid suicide-gank targets." conspiracy theories ftl lol get the hell out of high sec freighters were getting killed all over the place and it was annoying and unfair that no loot dropped when one died. This just shows how obsessed and beyond reason you are and probably defending an alt the suicides for fun.
Roid Hunter Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.27 23:25:00 - [122] Guess it is time to place 10k BM's in a can and carry that along with the cargo to spam the scanner with a long list.
Cassandra Beckinsale Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.03.28 02:07:00 - [123] SCENARIO EIGHT I am a hard worker and i work nearly 10 hours day I play eve only during weekend cause i have a social life and a wife I do not want to be involved in PvP, Corp Affair, similar stuff. I just like THIS scifict game and i play it with a friend of mine. I have no time to deal with losses cause it take agees to me to get equipent, cause i play 2 hours / week This is a game and I pay for it. If you want reality go in iraq and fight.
Aeo IV Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2008.03.28 02:53:00 - [124] But Haulers aren't the only ships being ganked in high sec, the problem, in my mind, is more to do with players who spend half a billion to fit a mining ship for mining, only to have it blown up by goons or such. You even say in your post (the op that is) that around 5 or 6 you could be flying a BS or BC, which is true, but a good mining setup, at least for high sec, does not involve the use of armor reps or shield boosters, or what have you. Which brings me to my next point, unless CCP introduces a mini Freighter or somehow altering how transport/indies use cargo space, the use of cargo expanders is a must. Besides, Hauling is a crappy profession as it is, no one offers good money for contracts or anything.
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.28 03:18:00 - [125] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 27/03/2008 07:01:22 Originally by: Shakuul There are plenty of ways to avoid suicide ganking. Funny...I see people say stuff like this all the time in threads like this but they never actually mention how it is done. Some claim it is a super sekkrit only they are privvy to and not willing to give up their advantage but really they have no clue. Bottom line is if a suicider wants to kill you they will kill you. Guards cannot do near enough to save you in time, you can tank all you want and it will not help if the gankers have a smidgen of a clue. THAT is what is bogus about this. Give haulers a legitimate means to protect themselves (or with others guarding them). Make ganks a less certain "I Win" button. As a game mechanic the current system stinks. 1) I have X-ship worth Y-ISK 1a) I know X-ship can output Z-Damage in 20 seconds 2) See hauler 2a) Scan hauler (which he can do nothing to prevent) 2b) If hauler defense < Z-Damage proceed to step 2c else abort 2c) If mods + cargo / 2 > Y-ISK proceed to step 3 else abort 3) Target hauler 3a) Press F1-F?, web and scram, bump for good measure if you are bored 3b) Wait for hauler to pop, wait for you to pop 4) Collect loot with ALT 5) Rinse and Repeat as necessary EDIT: I am NOT suggesting making haulers immune. Indeed AFK types should drop as easily under whatever system. But if a hauler makes the effort to protect themself then it should bear real results...not they die in 18 seconds instead of 15 seconds. Liar, a simple search through the suicide gank threads will find you plenty of ways to avoid suicide ganking. I'll list them here, but I know you're not gonna read it and a week from now you will make this same lie in some other suicide gank thread. 1. Use a blockade runner. For cargo sub 4k m3, a nanoed blockade runner is effectively invulnerable. Its literally impossible to scan them due to cargo scan cycle time(3 seconds with best named). 2. Divide up your cargo. I do this all the time for freighters. When I dont feel like having a scout and a webber for my freighter, I just split up the cargo till about a bil-1.5b a trip. Never had any problems. 3. For small cargo, use an inty or a covops. The above mentioned blockade runner will work as well. 4. For medium sized(like say 20k m3) but high value cargo, use a freighter. Again, you can use a freighter to haul up to about 1.5b with little risk of suicide gank. No one is gonna put together a 20 man gank squad so they can have a chance to get 40mil/man. 5. For jita lag, either haul in off hours or dock 1 jump from jita, then test the lag with a shuttle. If the lag is bad, divide your cargo into small pieces and use either a freighter or a battleship/cmd ship to haul the pieces in. I personally use a plated megathron with trimarks and shield extenders.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.28 04:54:00 - [126] Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger Quote: They WANTED to make freighters valid suicide-gank targets. conspiracy theories ftl lol get the hell out of high sec freighters were getting killed all over the place and it was annoying and unfair that no loot dropped when one died. This just shows how obsessed and beyond reason you are and probably defending an alt the suicides for fun. Excuse me ? Didn't I just say that ? Ok, I didn't say exactly that, and I apologize for the confusion. "They watted to make freighters PROFITABLE suicide-gank targets." There, better ? The only reason freighters were getting killed before the change was as retaliation, usually when there was good reason to believe the freighter belongs to a rival. I have a hard time believing someboy would have ever bothered suicide-ganking a freighter for FUN before they started dropping any loot. P.S. This shows that you should actually read a thread from start to end, comprehend it, then reply... not just reply to a single line out of hundreds written. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.28 05:01:00 - [127] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger Quote: They WANTED to make freighters valid suicide-gank targets. conspiracy theories ftl lol get the hell out of high sec freighters were getting killed all over the place and it was annoying and unfair that no loot dropped when one died. This just shows how obsessed and beyond reason you are and probably defending an alt the suicides for fun. Excuse me ? Didn't I just say that ? Ok, I didn't say exactly that, and I apologize for the confusion. "They watted to make freighters PROFITABLE suicide-gank targets." There, better ? The only reason freighters were getting killed before the change was as retaliation, usually when there was good reason to believe the freighter belongs to a rival. I have a hard time believing someboy would have ever bothered suicide-ganking a freighter for FUN before they started dropping any loot. P.S. This shows that you should actually read a thread from start to end, comprehend it, then reply... not just reply to a single line out of hundreds written. Remember when freighters were made to drop loot? How all the same whiners called it the "end of trade in eve". They predicted that the sky would fall and the economy of eve would grind to a halt? Ya...
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.28 05:26:00 - [128] Originally by: Gamesguy Remember when freighters were made to drop loot? How all the same whiners called it the "end of trade in eve". They predicted that the sky would fall and the economy of eve would grind to a halt? Ya... Heh, this reminds me of a signature... Eve is dead * *:again 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Sabrina Treadehugger Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.28 09:21:00 - [129] My bad on the freighters thing , you meant it as a bring in line not with suicide ganking as a goal. Well me i'm not too worried about suicide ganking as i take my precautions. But i believe the cost should be higher to promote trade and economy growth.It's hard enough trying to start or mantain a trade hub with 1 bill load freighters. Now i know that from a cost point of view removing insurance seems a lot.And it's only natural becouse this situation is made by the players and the ship prices. So yes once again the stupid people (the minerals i mine are free people)mess up the game for all of us. so if we take the the insurance idea than it should get a 20% decrease when concorded.I know it seems unfair but make it lower for everything and we're back where we started. Also I'd be happy with a boost to freighters .
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.28 09:36:00 - [130] Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale SCENARIO EIGHT I am a hard worker and i work nearly 10 hours day I play eve only during weekend cause i have a social life and a wife I do not want to be involved in PvP, Corp Affair, similar stuff. I just like THIS scifict game and i play it with a friend of mine. I have no time to deal with losses cause it take agees to me to get equipent, cause i play 2 hours / week This is a game and I pay for it. If you want reality go in iraq and fight. You pay to play the game - it is your choice. If you do not like the product, or it does not suit your lifestyle you are perfectly welcome to not play it. Your payment does not mean the game should be changed to suit your personal requirements. I work full time too. I have kids I don't get to play many hours a week. And yet I do manage to replace losses, and partake in high-end PvP where those losses can be quite substantial. You being bad at the game is not a good reason to have it made easier. If you want a nice, easy, safe game - go find one. How hard is that? Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.28 09:37:00 - [131] Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger So yes once again the stupid people (the minerals i mine are free people)mess up the game for all of us. Those people are funny. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Sabrina Treadehugger Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.28 09:48:00 - [132] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale SCENARIO EIGHT I am a hard worker and i work nearly 10 hours day I play eve only during weekend cause i have a social life and a wife I do not want to be involved in PvP, Corp Affair, similar stuff. I just like THIS scifict game and i play it with a friend of mine. I have no time to deal with losses cause it take agees to me to get equipent, cause i play 2 hours / week This is a game and I pay for it. If you want reality go in iraq and fight. You pay to play the game - it is your choice. If you do not like the product, or it does not suit your lifestyle you are perfectly welcome to not play it. Your payment does not mean the game should be changed to suit your personal requirements. I work full time too. I have kids I don't get to play many hours a week. And yet I do manage to replace losses, and partake in high-end PvP where those losses can be quite substantial. You being bad at the game is not a good reason to have it made easier. If you want a nice, easy, safe game - go find one. How hard is that? Get over yourself ok Paying custuomers have a right to post their oppinnions and beliefs here and sometimes change the game.(remember the carrier nerf ) If you don't like it maybe you should go play another game .
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.28 09:52:00 - [133] Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger If you don't like it maybe you should go play another game . Yeah, maybe I should. I mean, I just beta tested this one, played since release, and am still here generally loving it. Whereas you don't like the game and want it changed to a game you do like so that you will stay. So in conclusion I should leave because I like the game, and you should stay because you don't? Gotchya.. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Sabrina Treadehugger Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.28 10:01:00 - [134] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger If you don't like it maybe you should go play another game . Yeah, maybe I should. I mean, I just beta tested this one, played since release, and am still here generally loving it. Whereas you don't like the game and want it changed to a game you do like so that you will stay. So in conclusion I should leave because I like the game, and you should stay because you don't? Gotchya.. No no you confuse me . Learn to read pls. I am not Cassandra Beckinsale and i want the game tweaked not changed just like you do. Btw wtb modesty lessons.
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.28 10:26:00 - [135] Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger No no you confuse me . Learn to read pls. I am not Cassandra Beckinsale I'm sorry, I lost track of which one of your alts I was replying to. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.28 10:42:00 - [136] Kids, kids, play nice, all those "whose alt who is" games are tiresome... for fairness' sake, let's just assume everybody's nobody's alt right now 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.

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