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Grimlaw
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:41:00 -
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Let me start by saying I am indeed a newb. IÆm barely over a month old in eve-time. I have no privileged knowledge of high level NFA/Ex-FA meetings. Note: that is not an invitation to flame me. Rather, itÆs and attempt to cut the flamers off before they get started. All my information has been gathered from these forums.
Some have requested proof showing CoRM was wronged. The proof is all over several FA related threads on this site. I donÆt want to bore everyone by re-re-re-restating things that have already been stated, but VERY basically: A few large corps disliked the ôinactionö of the FA governing council. They saw a need for a change and instigated a reorganization of the alliance to better fit their desires. In doing so, they shredded the FA constitution during the realignment. Only to reinstitute the constitution after the ôrepairsö saying , ôAll is well.. and oh by the way.. you guys that used to fight for the alliance, we are putting you on KOSö. I have yet to see any legitimate reason for being placed on the KOS list. I canÆt accept what has been posted so far as reason enough. So far itÆs been said CoRM is KOS for voting against XanadusÆ wishes and inactivity, with only the former being true?
If that is indeed the case, you have firmly placed CoRM and all who fight along side us on the side of righteousness. ThatÆs a side IÆm willing to commit myself to.
And to those who think newbs have nothing to offer in a fight, ponder this. You will have to pod me dozens of times before the cost of replacing my ship and clone equals the cost of one of your treasured battleships. And during that time how many of your battleships will I have played a part in itÆs destruction?
OOC- After over 4 years of MMORPG play.. this is the most exciting thing IÆve seen happen in a game. Certainly better than any in-game storyline (no offence CCP) CanÆt say I appreciate being given the short end of the stick but at least youÆve made it interesting. I look forward to seeing you end in a brief ball of plasma.
"Lets get it on with the killin' "
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Grimlaw
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Grimlaw on 15/04/2004 15:53:48
double post
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Kaio
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:52:00 -
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I think it's going off topic. This thread, started by our CEO, hadn't the goal to flame or to accuse EVOL or any other of anything.
Some corps are strong, and it's normal they seek supremacy. In other game, CoRM was huge. and we played more aggressive roleplay. So really, it's not an issue. it's a game and everyone plays it as they have fun.
Xanadu is strong, prolly the strongest corp in eve right now. there is nothing personal towards anyone or any corp.
However, We just wanted to state our point, what we gave to FA and what happened in last 5 days.
Yes, the list is dated february, after war with moo and FE. but honestly this is also the REAL test to see who fighted and who didn't. Since that war, only thing we had to do was patrolling and we did. So as FA members we did honestly enough, and surely more than some of the corps still in FA.
Asking us to proove innocence...really how can you do if you don't even know the reasons for beeing kicked out? or for KOS?
How can someone defend from accuses like "you were flying with guild x"? or "you were rumoured to have talked to guild y?". we got no detail, no screenshots, no chat logs. nothing. I don't know in your book, but in my book, between long term allies, at least yu give the accused the chance to know the accuses and to explain. we didn't even see the vote which kicked us (if a vote did happen).
PS: to every CoRM guy (me included, except Aftershock, our CEO). PLEASE STOP POSTING (and to embrace, stop flaming). we made our point. really nothing else to say.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.04.15 16:04:00 -
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The orginial starter can write to [email protected] when he wants his thread locked.
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Kakalot
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Posted - 2004.04.15 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kakalot on 15/04/2004 16:24:46
I suggest that everyone should read Aftershock and Kaio's posts. A lot of good points were stated there some of which i had no knowledge about. 
Eris please watch this thread carefully, i fear some ppl might want to send this thread to lockville with some newly created characters.
My thought on this FA/NFA is the coup was well planned months ago. It achieved its objective: getting rid of "dead weight" at the same time recruiting more corps into the new organization. It's safe for me to say XAN succeeded in making it the way they wanted.
At the end of the game, it's all about outnumbering your foes. Like Kaio stated "doesn't mean we shouldn't fight".
Hey, at least this is game content. You'd rather read this or the stuff ccp put on the ingame new?
PS: editted spelling
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2004.04.15 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Detaitiv on 15/04/2004 16:42:22
The quick and dirty summation of how CORM got on the kos list:
FA was dealing HHI/HIV doing such things as...
[ 2004.03.29 01:52:33 ] SteelDragon > the only thing I ask in return is you go have your fun with them
[ 2004.03.29 01:52:44 ] SteelDragon > I'll get you insta jump BM all over FA space
[ 2004.03.29 01:53:02 ] SteelDragon > you go kill them for a while and make their lives miserable
Yet FA council did not vote HHI out... Is that a working Democracy?
CORM had a few members vocally supporting them and a few members working with them in the background. Numerous logs of convos that CORM people witnessed that NEEDED to be brought to the attention of other FA corps and never were. Actively conspiring with HHI/HIV to harm to FA corps and the like. And no it is not proper to start sharing screenshots and logs garnished from an enemy with which we have an ongoing conflict so don't ask. Once such things are known it is extremely easy to track down the source and remove it.
So at the time of the restructuring it was assumed CORM's sympathies would be on the HHI/HVI side. If that was in error things could always be talked through with CORM and the treasonous members removed.
As so often happens though, once ships were in space the hotheads prevailed. CORM ships getting shot at, CORM ships flying alongside the truly treasonous ones.
As I see it one of two things is happening:
1) It's truly unfortunate that we are losing a corp like CORM from the FA because of some troublesome members of theirs and truly inept administration of the issue on my part.
2) CORM failed to be communicative enough with other FA corps about their commitment to the alliance and let their treasonous members be the only voice we heard. This result was inevitable.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.15 16:57:00 -
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If you want the whole story on the pirate talk, you are going to be massively upset.
I'll keep it short, and I will not comment further.
An FA corp member who shall remain nameless has an alt in Deadwieght corp.
Deadwieght was openly attacking HVI during this rift period in FA. Deadwieght told several members of HVI that they were hired by an FA corp "High up" that they were to hunt them. Matter of fact I beleive in that same snippet of the chat log you just posted they said it again.
Before you ask or flame, I won't reveal the alt, my source is too valuable to lose.
Anyhow, CoRM had nothing to do with any of that, and as you can see HVI was the victim of piracy from a directive made by the entity now known as the NFA.
Calling Zotigh a troublemaker is a far cry from the truth. All he did was bring up CoRM's justifiable concerns on the Director boards. Considering CoRM was in NFA space since the beginning of time for the Fountain Alliance, you would think they would be respectful and listen. Apparently Not.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.04.15 17:05:00 -
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FA was dealing HHI/HIV doing such things as...
[ 2004.03.29 01:52:33 ] SteelDragon > the only thing I ask in return is you go have your fun with them
[ 2004.03.29 01:52:44 ] SteelDragon > I'll get you insta jump BM all over FA space
[ 2004.03.29 01:53:02 ] SteelDragon > you go kill them for a while and make their lives miserable
Yet FA council did not vote HHI out... Is that a working Democracy?
This log was never brought up in council before the coup, so I fail to see how it can be evidence that the democratic process has failed.
If strong evidence that HVI/HHI had been acting against FA militarily (or aiding enemies) had been brought to the council, I am sure the council would have kicked them.
But the last FA council vote about HHI/HVI was triggered by an entirely different issue, namely one of HVI's directors (whose forum access was later removed) stirring up some major flamewars directed mostly at Xan on the internal FA forum. Apparently the FA council at that time decided that this issue was not big enough to warrant kicking them over it.
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Sparta
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Posted - 2004.04.15 17:42:00 -
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Hey its a game; and I love you all for making it interesting.
The wonder of the game is how individually we can shape events and with our friends re-shape events. For CoRM's part we will seek to help provide more in game content through out EVE too.
As for my personal role play, as a result of Xandu attacks on CoRM Mining ops in Empire this week, I hope to provide Xandu more interesting game play myself.
Let us all enjoy our silent deaths in space. Hopefully yours not mine.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 17:51:00 -
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Embrace Death got a little carried away, forgive him he is both young and a Minmatar...he will have extra beatings to try and curb his .... enthusiasm.
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Smacktastic
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Posted - 2004.04.15 18:05:00 -
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I'd like the thread locked because everyone should be KOS to everyone.
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Embrace Death
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Posted - 2004.04.15 18:18:00 -
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"CORM had a few members vocally supporting them[revolution] and a few members working with them in the background. Numerous logs of convos that CORM people witnessed that NEEDED to be brought to the attention of other FA corps and never were."
Like who? Why is it that you do not tell us of this mystery list or post these "numerous logs of convos"? It is reasonable to KOS all of CORM, who have loyally supported FA for almost a year, because of a 'few members' that supposedly knew people that knew people that knew people in Revol? Is it so hard to say to our CEO "hey, this guy of yours is too friendly with our enemy.. could you do something about him please?"
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2004.04.15 19:27:00 -
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If you wanted to resolve this issue, posting on these forums is the wrong thing and last thing to do. This is not a Xanadu matter, this is a Fountain Alliance matter. If you cannot wait until the next council meeting, then that is your choice, not ours.
Forum board diplomacy will get you no where.
Have a nice day, 
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.04.15 19:52:00 -
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Drawing from battle experiences with the real FA forces and the 4-5 indy-hunter, safe-spot invading wannabes, CoRM, it seems very fitting that FA stood up, took a vote and got rid of a corp that didnt fit in.
As far as being KOS to an entire alliance...join the club, men!
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
jigga
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Posted - 2004.04.15 20:07:00 -
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Deadwieght was openly attacking HVI during this rift period in FA. Deadwieght told several members of HVI that they were hired by an FA corp "High up" that they were to hunt them. Matter of fact I beleive in that same snippet of the chat log you just posted they said it again.
I don't know why he didn't nmention Xanadu here, but in all his other posts Xanadu were the ones who hired this Deadwieght corp to attack HVI. All I can say is this totally false and one of the many other accusations he's been leveling against Xanadu for the past few weeks and is continually doing. Not one of those accusations have been backed up with any proof whatsoever I might add.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.15 20:18:00 -
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I'm not biting flamepal :)
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jigga
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Posted - 2004.04.15 20:30:00 -
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I'm not biting flamepal :)
That's what I like about you Aerick. You're a smart man and your graphic signature says it all. You only pick the battles you have a chance in winning.
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Zotigh
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Posted - 2004.04.15 20:46:00 -
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"If you wanted to resolve this issue, posting on these forums is the wrong thing and last thing to do. This is not a Xanadu matter, this is a Fountain Alliance matter. If you cannot wait until the next council meeting, then that is your choice, not ours. " -- Zagum
Read the first message in this topic, Zagum.
After being told in council meeting that we had 30 minutes to leave Fountain, and then accused of...I still don't know what. After being put on KOS by admited mistake of an NFA leader due to a name mixup for some unknown accusation. For having our pilots podded while on defensive patrol of Fountain (30 minutes to tell an international membership not to undock...lol..you folks are too sweet). After being hunted and killed in empire space. After repeated queries as to the reasons for being on KOS, and asking for the promised 'safe period' to remove our assets from our home systems...nada. Nothing. Only aggression where none was given.
Read the first post again, bud. You lost your chance for redemption.
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Istefan
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Posted - 2004.04.15 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Istefan on 15/04/2004 22:57:46
Edited by: Istefan on 15/04/2004 20:57:40
Edited by: Istefan on 15/04/2004 20:55:55
Quote:
If you wanted to resolve this issue, posting on these forums is the wrong thing and last thing to do. This is not a Xanadu matter, this is a Fountain Alliance matter. If you cannot wait until the next council meeting, then that is your choice, not ours.
Forum board diplomacy will get you no where.
Have a nice day,
This is my third post on this forum. Yes, I'm a newb, I've only been playing a couple of months, if that. I don't claim to know all of the history or even all of the players in this soap opera just yet. Up until this weekend, I've been raising my skills to better help with mining, etc so that I could properly contribute to such ops and be able to afford larger ships when my skills would allow me to use them. Now I'm training nothing but PVP skills.
If the members of this NFA, FA or whatever you choose to call yourselves had a shred of decency, you would have removed CORM/LRC from the KOS until the next Council meeting.
The fact that you are/were even considering removing these corps from the KOS in and of itself shows that some of you realize that you might have been wrong in placing CORM/LRC on the KOS in the first place. Calling a cease fire until the matter could be discussed would have been a more reasonable approach.
During the "coup" people were shot down that were in Fountain only because they had been there for the sole purpose of defending Fountain and serving the FA just the day before. The CORM members that were killed were not there to mine, etc. There were there serving Fountain Alliance. The actions last weekend were the basest of betrayals. Killing and podding our people outside of Fountain space just confirms who is the agressor here.
Calling a halt to the KOS status until you could have your next meeting is the least you could have done if you were dealing in good faith.
"It is easier to fight for principles than to live up to them."
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.04.15 22:31:00 -
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Omg. Damn Alt Scum. Go end yourselves imediatley. and for the people not wanting to be mistaken as alts Change your char so it states what corp you belong to. That's the main reason for being called an alt..
I've jumped in way to late to post anything of value except this:
Recycle yourselves you bloody alt newb chars  .
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