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AfterShock
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Posted - 2004.04.15 10:10:00 -
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After four days of trying to negotiate the removal of our name from the NFA KOS list, we now know it is a lost cause. Our reason of being placed on the KOS were unproven and false. We were lead to beleive it was being looked into and we should know something by today. Now it seems we would have to wait till the next NFA meeting to find out. In the meantime Xanadu has started killing my members outside of Fountain region.
It seems there is no intention from Xanadu to work with us on this matter.
Confederation of the Red Moon has had enough of deceit from this matter. NFA might as well just not worry about removing us from KOS. We will now give you a reason for having us on the list. To the remaining corps in the NFA. We would not wish to have any hostilities with you but with it being an alliance, we will not have any choice. Xanadu has made the decision for you.
CEO of CoRM
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.04.15 10:16:00 -
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I wish you luck in your fight.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.04.15 10:36:00 -
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I understand that all the people who was thrown out of fountain were; dead weight, pr nightmares and general peons. so why would they let you back in ?
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.15 10:38:00 -
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I understand that all the people who was thrown out of fountain were; dead weight, pr nightmares and general peons. so why would they let you back in ?
Wow sutty, yeah there really is just one side to every story I guess 
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 10:41:00 -
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Our reason of being placed on the KOS were unproven and false. We were lead to beleive it was being looked into and we should know something by today. Now it seems we would have to wait till the next NFA meeting to find out. In the meantime Xanadu has started killing my members outside of Fountain region.
This demonstrates one of two things, either Xan are so unorganised that it takes the this long to correct a mistake, or
They are too afraid of losing face in the NFA to admit they made a mistake and do the honourable thing and correct it.
Either way their actions can not go unpunnished.
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Cpt Mav
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Posted - 2004.04.15 10:42:00 -
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Wow sutty, yeah there really is just one side to every story I guess
Perhaps you could heed your own widsom when you go on a posting spree then?
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 10:45:00 -
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I understand that all the people who was thrown out of fountain were; dead weight, pr nightmares and general peons. so why would they let you back in ?
Hmmm you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how ill-informed it is.
And to set the record straight, we were not seeking readmittance to the NFA, we simply wanted to clear our name of the false charges brought against us and leave peacefully.
So please, please stick to posting accurate information.
Do not waste our time with your tripe
Edit: Please keep it nice (-Olympus Nemus)
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.15 10:45:00 -
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Wow sutty, yeah there really is just one side to every story I guess
Perhaps you could heed your own widsom when you go on a posting spree then?
How many alts do you guys have anyway?
You are a month old character, in noob corp and with 0.0 standing with every faction.
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Olympus Nemus
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Posted - 2004.04.15 10:52:00 -
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Lets see if we can keep this one flame and troll free 
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.04.15 10:55:00 -
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I understand that all the people who was thrown out of fountain were; dead weight, pr nightmares and general peons. so why would they let you back in ?
They dont ask for getting back in, but for not beeing KOS. Xanadu didnt respond, thus there is a war now. Easy to read, not hard to get.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:02:00 -
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Lets see if we can keep this one flame and troll free
Your right, sorry got carried away...but some people.....
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shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:13:00 -
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Our reason of being placed on the KOS were unproven and false. We were lead to beleive it was being looked into and we should know something by today. Now it seems we would have to wait till the next NFA meeting to find out. In the meantime Xanadu has started killing my members outside of Fountain region.
This demonstrates one of two things, either Xan are so unorganised that it takes the this long to correct a mistake, or
They are too afraid of losing face in the NFA to admit they made a mistake and do the honourable thing and correct it.
Either way their actions can not go unpunnished.
...or they just dont give a [expletive deleted] and just want something to shoot at?  not that they would admit that obviously 
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:14:00 -
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You obviously cant prove your innocense in that matter so it would be naive of Xanadu and other FA corps to remove you from the KOS list after such serious charges were levelled on you.
Dont get me wrong Im not a big fan of Xanadu I dont like the way the operate out in fountain, althought I have heard they are starting to improve out there, but I know them well enough to know they wouldnt make up those charges against you and even if they had the other corps wouldnt of allowed them to expel and KOS on baseless accusations.
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Intukaki
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:20:00 -
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Another noob alliance trying to think they are good. What the hell gives corm nubs the right to post here? They are a rubbish corp with like 5 actives! BE AFRAID XANADU!
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JaiMaster
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: JaiMaster on 15/04/2004 11:23:59
i thought xanadu had more than 5 actives?
(edit, yes, deliberate sarcastic snipe @ xanadu re the above post)
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Skill points. ISK. Ships, rare equipment. Its all just a means to an end...
Your end.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:23:00 -
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Another noob alliance trying to think they are good. What the hell gives corm nubs the right to post here? They are a rubbish corp with like 5 actives! BE AFRAID XANADU!
Another alt, noob corp, 0.0 standings to any faction (so he hasn't shot an npc, done his agent missions etc, in other words, never been used for anything but trolling).
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JaiMaster
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:24:00 -
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nay! he could be a research or production alt :) professional carebare who flames on the side...
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Skill points. ISK. Ships, rare equipment. Its all just a means to an end...
Your end.
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Olympus Nemus
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:25:00 -
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All players have the right to use (ie post) on this forums (provided they do so within the forum rules). This applies to players of small, medium, large or no corps.
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Cpt Mav
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:26:00 -
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Another alt, noob corp, 0.0 standings to any faction (so he hasn't shot an npc, done his agent missions etc, in other words, never been used for anything but trolling).
Indeed, but your post was hardly constructive. Most of your posts are little more than flames or accusations, the only difference is that you want to make a fool out yourself in front of everyone reading.
Personally I would much rather have a constructive arguement on these forums, but most of the posters here care very little for the truth, and do nothing but post utter drivil, in which case it makes discussion pointless.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:26:00 -
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All players have the right to use (ie post) on this forums (provided they do so within the forum rules). This applies to players of small, medium, large or no corps.
Most certainly. It would be nice if they actually did it with characters they use though.
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Shamrock
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:29:00 -
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I understand that all the people who was thrown out of fountain were; dead weight, pr nightmares and general peons. so why would they let you back in ?
They dont ask for getting back in, but for not beeing KOS. Xanadu didnt respond, thus there is a war now. Easy to read, not hard to get.
I was reading down after seeing sutty's post and waiting to see who would be the first to blow it out of the water. Forgive sutty, he is a university student who just goes for developing alcoholism and violent behavior. Not for the "edumication". |
Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:32:00 -
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Hey Riddari you can download the celes.wmv from my website /celes/ note this is the website I use to blog, not the eve one.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.15 11:34:00 -
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Hey Riddari you can download the celes.wmv from my website /celes/ note this is the website I use to blog, not the eve one.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 12:05:00 -
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You obviously cant prove your innocense in that matter so it would be naive of Xanadu and other FA corps to remove you from the KOS list after such serious charges were levelled on you.
Oh but we can, question is do they want to hear it.
No,no, the reason for our expulsion is that we don't tow the Xan line. FA was a democracy but they did not like living in one so they threw us out.
The KOS was a mistake but what do they care and why should they.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 12:09:00 -
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Another noob alliance trying to think they are good. What the hell gives corm nubs the right to post here? They are a rubbish corp with like 5 actives! BE AFRAID XANADU!
1) Post with your main char man, if you don't have the guts then don't trouble us with your drivvel.
2) Shows what you know about the mmorpg community if you call us noob.
3) We can post where we like and what we like, we have as much right as anyone else.
4) ??? 5 actives ??? you getting us mixed up with another corp?
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Six KH
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Posted - 2004.04.15 12:21:00 -
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You obviously cant prove your innocense in that matter so it would be naive of Xanadu and other FA corps to remove you from the KOS list after such serious charges were levelled on you.
It's a wrong reasonment... you have to prove that someone is guilty not his innocence.
There is no place for justice in eve, it's only a matter of interests, but i don't understand what they can get from putting a former ally in KOS list and attack them outside Fountain. 
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Kaio
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Posted - 2004.04.15 12:29:00 -
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Why none can simply stop from trolling. Just to state few points:
1) Saying that CoRM wasn't helping in FA defence is false. After war with m0o and FE, FA made a list of the corps who were more active and the ones who weren't. This list was made by asking to each marshall and commander the real effort they had seen with their eyes. CoRM was between the *few* corps who were the most active during the war. Other corps who now are in the NFA was way under us in that list. This list wasn't made by us, but from FA. So please, expecially people who don't belong to FA (like EVOL or m0o) stop telling about things you don't know. I challenge any NFA guy to post here that list (not edited hopefully ) if what i say isn't true.
When we made the patrols, CoRM sent his own pilots as requested.
And since we also liked fighting, we as CoRM alone, fighted FE in Vale after discussions with FA leaders (we basically asked who we could fight to bring advantage to FA..CA was the answer).
When REVOL attacked fountain (just the day before the statement) we were in the fleet of FA trying to stop them. And we lost also a ship (Zudd).
2) Beeing kicked out of FA is one thing. We have been kicked out with no reason at all (except the generic "we don't help" said in first point). and we accepted that. we didn't like it but we accepted it (and i challenge everyone to come here telling that you like losing ships for an ally and seeing the same allying expelling you without even a warning or even a vote or a chance to know why the day after).
3) we have been put on KOS for no reason at all. The result was that our guy Zudd (the same guy who lost the ship in defence of FA just the day before) was podded in his BS while trying to move out (and this after he had asked if he could and he was told by Xanadu he could move out of fountain).
Now we have been in FA for an year. we were in fountain even before Xanadu went here. i think after one year defending (again look at point 1) ) it should be not fair but just the MINIMUM by anyone with a piece of honour to let us leave in peace.
4) even after that, our leadership continued to talk to NFA to be removed from KOS even if we know very well the accusations were just faked. and while they assured us they would have talked in next meeting, Xanadu went after us in Aridia (empire) killing one of our miner.
5) CoRM isn't a noob corp. we aren't huge, we aren't small. so stop insulting us or smacktalking.
we didn't whine. we just stated clearly what happened and why now we will fight NFA at our best.
Surely no corp alone can win against NFA. m0o failed. FE failed. Xanadu itself outnumbers us.
But the fact the odds are bad for us doesn't mean we shouldn't fight.
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Yama Booshi
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Posted - 2004.04.15 12:40:00 -
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Wow sutty, yeah there really is just one side to every story I guess
Perhaps you could heed your own widsom when you go on a posting spree then?
How many alts do you guys have anyway?
You are a month old character, in noob corp and with 0.0 standing with every faction.
Nicely avoided the remark here  He did however have an excellent point. You are definately a prime example of biased posts and blatant trolling.
Now that in itself I can live with, but you trying to correct someone else on it is just out of order.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.15 12:53:00 -
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You are definately a prime example of biased posts and blatant trolling.
Now that in itself I can live with, but you trying to correct someone else on it is just out of order.
I honestly don't understand the basis for accusing me of bias as I've stated the facts, the facts and the facts. But to ease your pain at having to read my trollish posts I'm writing a big one.
Feel free to poke it when it arrives.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.15 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Riddari on 15/04/2004 12:55:42
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I honestly don't understand the basis for accusing me of bias
Other than trying to discredit me that is
*Edit: spelling monster
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2004.04.15 13:26:00 -
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For some reason it's antimotivation to look into getting your corp taken off the KOS list when you have members flying with the miscreants. I think they may have even shot up some of our poor alt scouts. 
As to this whole democracy thingie, when corps are voting based on a 140 member player base, but at the BEST of time fielding a pvp force of 2, so sort of extrademocractic action needed to be taken.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.15 13:33:00 -
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extrademocractic action needed to be taken.
Ooohh, interesting term
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.04.15 13:36:00 -
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After four days of trying to negotiate the removal of our name from the NFA KOS list, we now know it is a lost cause. Our reason of being placed on the KOS were unproven and false. We were lead to beleive it was being looked into and we should know something by today. Now it seems we would have to wait till the next NFA meeting to find out. In the meantime Xanadu has started killing my members outside of Fountain region.
It seems there is no intention from Xanadu to work with us on this matter.
Confederation of the Red Moon has had enough of deceit from this matter. NFA might as well just not worry about removing us from KOS. We will now give you a reason for having us on the list. To the remaining corps in the NFA. We would not wish to have any hostilities with you but with it being an alliance, we will not have any choice. Xanadu has made the decision for you.
CEO of CoRM
If you are actually interested in what you say you are interested in, then a good way to start would be the following.
1. Do not refer to the FA as the NFA. There is no NFA, there is only the FA
2. Do not refer to this as only a Xanadu matter, it is not. There are well over 10 other corporations along with Xanadu.
The fact that you both called the FA the NFA and portrayed Xanadu as the evil villains leads me to believe that you only wanted to stir the pot. If there is one thing this conflict does not need its more worthless inflammatory trolling.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 13:41:00 -
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For some reason it's antimotivation to look into getting your corp taken off the KOS list when you have members flying with the miscreants. I think they may have even shot up some of our poor alt scouts.
As to this whole democracy thingie, when corps are voting based on a 140 member player base, but at the BEST of time fielding a pvp force of 2, so sort of extrademocractic action needed to be taken.
Point 1: at the time the statement came out confirming the illegal actions of the NFA, our pilots were flying in an FA patrol. Some of our members tried to leave asap but were shot down in the process, even though they clearly stated that they were leaving fountain and did not engage NFA forces at any time.
Point 2: No matter how wrongly your actions were in overthrowing the FA, you still had the forces and the opportunity to allow those corps to leave peacefully, there was no need for a turkey shoot.
Point 3: Where do you get the PvP force of 2 from anyway...some number you picked out of the air?
Point 4: Please explain the meaning of extrademocratic...that's a new one!
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.15 13:46:00 -
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Point 3: Where do you get the PvP force of 2 from anyway...some number you picked out of the air?
I think he's referring to another corporation, neither HHI nor CORM, but one of those that left peacefully.
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2004.04.15 13:48:00 -
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You obviously cant prove your innocense in that matter so it would be naive of Xanadu and other FA corps to remove you from the KOS list after such serious charges were levelled on you.
It's a wrong reasonment... you have to prove that someone is guilty not his innocence.
There is no place for justice in eve, it's only a matter of interests, but i don't understand what they can get from putting a former ally in KOS list and attack them outside Fountain.
Why is it the wrong reasoning?
Who says any alliance or organisation has to follow innocent until proven guilty especially when it comes to a matter that threatens their security?
They get revenge.
@CoRM if you can prove you innocense why not post the proof of it along with the allogations to show how evil the FA has become.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 13:52:00 -
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If you are actually interested in what you say you are interested in, then a good way to start would be the following.
1. Do not refer to the FA as the NFA. There is no NFA, there is only the FA
2. Do not refer to this as only a Xanadu matter, it is not. There are well over 10 other corporations along with Xanadu.
The fact that you both called the FA the NFA and portrayed Xanadu as the evil villains leads me to believe that you only wanted to stir the pot. If there is one thing this conflict does not need its more worthless inflammatory trolling.
Sorry but the FA was overthrown in a coup therefore the new undemocratically elected government of the Fountain Alliance is no longer the FA of old so can no longer be refered to as the FA. It is a New Fountain Alliance wich just so happens to abrieveate to .... you guessed it... NFA.
And don't play the innocent...we all know that Xanadu was behind it. I guess the rest who stayed were either happy with the NFA or didn't want to rock the boat.
Now we had no ntention of stirring the pot but we have been given no choice...un-justifiably put on KOS and attacked in and out of Fountain without us engaging anyone and depite our protestations no one wanted to lift a finger to correct an error...no wonder we are P*ssed.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.04.15 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 15/04/2004 13:56:35
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@CoRM if you can prove you innocense why not post the proof of it along with the allogations to show how evil the FA has become.
How exactly is it logically possible to post proof that you have not done something?
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2004.04.15 13:59:00 -
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@CoRM if you can prove you innocense why not post the proof of it along with the allogations to show how evil the FA has become.
How exactly is it logically possible to post proof that you have not done something?
Show proof that FA are lying, that the allegations are false rather simple really.
And if theres nothing to the allegations why would FA make them up when they could of just thrown them out with all the others?
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:00:00 -
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If you are actually interested in what you say you are interested in, then a good way to start would be the following.
1. Do not refer to the FA as the NFA. There is no NFA, there is only the FA
2. Do not refer to this as only a Xanadu matter, it is not. There are well over 10 other corporations along with Xanadu.
Baun, no matter how you and your Eve Forum Marshalls spin your point, you will always be the NFA.
I could see Xanadu and Puppets kicking HVI, they were drooling over that, but CoRM? CoRM is the most honorable organization I have ever come across with and have always had good relations and good friends. You cannot even comment on any of this Eve Forum Marshalls, you are noobs to the NFA and have no history of what the other corps bled for only to be kicked out.
You are doing yourself and your NFA buddies a disservice by attempting to be their mouthpiece, I'd stop while your behind. I'm actually quite surprised they haven't pulled the plug on you yet.
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:04:00 -
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I challenge any NFA guy to post here that list (not edited hopefully ) if what i say isn't true.
well, I'm not in the NFA, but here's your list (unedited):
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+ outstanding
~ good, but u can do better
- too low
The rating is relativ, so it means the evaluation is based on the margin of deviation between the results. Which leads to the effect that corps that did attend most meetings, still get a ~ in the presence column.
military - the amount of forces dedicated to defence, online times in gangs, kills,....
commercial - financial support of the alliance, in general
presence - atandance of FA council meetings
It is clear that the military part counts most.
military commercial presence
4S ignored as they joined last week
AFDT + - +
BIG + ~ +
CAR ~ + -
CEI - - -
CFI + - -
CME ~ - +
CORM + - +
COV ~ - ~
DE ~ - +
DMG + - +
DNG + - +
FIV + ~ +
FSR ~ - +
Fury ~ - +
HHI + ~ +
HIRR + - ~
HVI - - -
INDEP - - ~
LRC - - ~
NHI - - ~
NOI ~ - missing data
NUTS - - +
REZ - - +
S-44 + - ~
SSC - - -
TCD ~ - +
TFF - - ~
TPH - - -
XAN + + +
XFI ~ - +
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:25:00 -
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How old is that list because fury left the aliance a month or 2 ago and didnt FIV merge into xanadu?
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:27:00 -
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Basically at the tail end or after the FE/m0o war I beleive. I remember seeing that report as well, just not exactly sure when.
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Lettuce Prey
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:31:00 -
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How old is that list because fury left the aliance a month or 2 ago and didnt FIV merge into xanadu?
didn't you used to go by the name "icky vicky"?
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:33:00 -
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(N)FA KOS list:
Confederation of the Red Moon - CoRM
Critical Mass Enterprises - CME
Harbinger Heavy Industries - HHI
HeartVenom Inc. - HVI
Luna Rossa Corporation - LRC
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+ outstanding
~ good, but u can do better
- too low
The rating is relativ, so it means the evaluation is based on the margin of deviation between the results. Which leads to the effect that corps that did attend most meetings, still get a ~ in the presence column.
military - the amount of forces dedicated to defence, online times in gangs, kills,....
commercial - financial support of the alliance, in general
presence - atandance of FA council meetings
It is clear that the military part counts most.
military commercial presence
CME ~ - +
CORM + - +
HHI + ~ +
HVI - - -
LRC - - ~
Notice particularly CORM and HHI in the list. Dead weight argument falls flat against the (N)FA own evidence.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:33:00 -
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Why is Evolution sticking their long noses in here? I'm sure they have nothing going on in Fountain.
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:36:00 -
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(N)FA KOS list:
Confederation of the Red Moon - CoRM
Critical Mass Enterprises - CME
Harbinger Heavy Industries - HHI
HeartVenom Inc. - HVI
Luna Rossa Corporation - LRC
Quote:
+ outstanding
~ good, but u can do better
- too low
The rating is relativ, so it means the evaluation is based on the margin of deviation between the results. Which leads to the effect that corps that did attend most meetings, still get a ~ in the presence column.
military - the amount of forces dedicated to defence, online times in gangs, kills,....
commercial - financial support of the alliance, in general
presence - atandance of FA council meetings
It is clear that the military part counts most.
military commercial presence
CME ~ - +
CORM + - +
HHI + ~ +
HVI - - -
LRC - - ~
Notice particularly CORM and HHI in the list. Dead weight argument falls flat against the (N)FA own evidence.
The dead weight corps were the peacefully kicked corps the KOS kicked corps were kicked for other reasons.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:40:00 -
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Yes the list was made after the Moo war, as I understand at an FA council meeting each corp gave it's preception of the others as to how much they commited to the war...as you can see CoRM was seen to be quite active so the the charge (not one brought by the NFA) but by some other corps who are quite frankly guessing at the reasons we were kicked are unsubstatiated.
Now if anyone from the NFA wants to publicly state the accuastions agaist CoRM and justify the KOS, please we would like to hear it.
We sought a political souloution to the situation, we did not seek reamittance to the FA only that the KOS is removed and our pilots and equipment could be romoved.
Let's remember that this happened on Saturday, we have been arguing our case behind the scenes since then and held our tonges...but pod killing our guys in empire space....that is not cool...no wonder we start to voice our disgust at our treatment.
Now I for one, on this and another thread have said some hard things...blowing off steam...what do u expect..I am Caldari. But before u judge us, put yourslef in our shoes and see how it feels.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:44:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
(N)FA KOS list:
Confederation of the Red Moon - CoRM
Critical Mass Enterprises - CME
Harbinger Heavy Industries - HHI
HeartVenom Inc. - HVI
Luna Rossa Corporation - LRC
Quote:
+ outstanding
~ good, but u can do better
- too low
The rating is relativ, so it means the evaluation is based on the margin of deviation between the results. Which leads to the effect that corps that did attend most meetings, still get a ~ in the presence column.
military - the amount of forces dedicated to defence, online times in gangs, kills,....
commercial - financial support of the alliance, in general
presence - atandance of FA council meetings
It is clear that the military part counts most.
military commercial presence
CME ~ - +
CORM + - +
HHI + ~ +
HVI - - -
LRC - - ~
Notice particularly CORM and HHI in the list. Dead weight argument falls flat against the (N)FA own evidence.
The dead weight corps were the peacefully kicked corps the KOS kicked corps were kicked for other reasons.
Please enlighten us as to why CoRM was kicked and KOS?
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:50:00 -
[50]
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
(N)FA KOS list:
Confederation of the Red Moon - CoRM
Critical Mass Enterprises - CME
Harbinger Heavy Industries - HHI
HeartVenom Inc. - HVI
Luna Rossa Corporation - LRC
Quote:
+ outstanding
~ good, but u can do better
- too low
The rating is relativ, so it means the evaluation is based on the margin of deviation between the results. Which leads to the effect that corps that did attend most meetings, still get a ~ in the presence column.
military - the amount of forces dedicated to defence, online times in gangs, kills,....
commercial - financial support of the alliance, in general
presence - atandance of FA council meetings
It is clear that the military part counts most.
military commercial presence
CME ~ - +
CORM + - +
HHI + ~ +
HVI - - -
LRC - - ~
Notice particularly CORM and HHI in the list. Dead weight argument falls flat against the (N)FA own evidence.
The dead weight corps were the peacefully kicked corps the KOS kicked corps were kicked for other reasons.
Please enlighten us as to why CoRM was kicked and KOS?
Since Im not actually FA atm I have no right to give out their reasons without their consent, all in all I probebly shouldnt know why either.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.04.15 14:57:00 -
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Quote:
Why is Evolution sticking their long noses in here? I'm sure they have nothing going on in Fountain.
Get over us troll.
Doing a lil npc chaining and a war breaks out..
yeah must be our fault huh?
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:00:00 -
[52]
Quote:
I could see Xanadu and Puppets kicking HVI, they were drooling over that, but CoRM? CoRM is the most honorable organization I have ever come across with and have always had good relations and good friends. You cannot even comment on any of this Eve Forum Marshalls, you are noobs to the NFA and have no history of what the other corps bled for only to be kicked out.
Thank you for your words man, you bring a tear to my eye.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:02:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
Why is Evolution sticking their long noses in here? I'm sure they have nothing going on in Fountain.
Get over us troll.
Doing a lil npc chaining and a war breaks out..
yeah must be our fault huh?
Well, I read this and laughed my effing socks off.
So the whole takeover was not planned months in advance.
Evol were not brought to fountian as a hired gun.
Your right....it is just a coincidence!
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Embrace Death
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:03:00 -
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Well if this isn't the biggest load of crap I've seen. Now honestly, how do you proove that you didn't do something? Isn't this the reason courts have "innocent until prooven guilty"?
Anyways. CoRM has always acted for the better of (old)FA. I recall one person saying "for how much we vote we only provide 2 members for defence". This cannot be true, we have screenshots(quite beautiful too) of giant FA blockades where we had (I think) 4BSes 2 Cruisers and a frigate(if memory fail.. give or take a cruiser) out of an entire FA blockade of about 50 BSes. Additionally, at some times when an emergency FA blockade was called for, CORM outnumbered XANADU in ships (BSs!) and once I recall being at least 1/2 of the defenders available as CoRM. I also remember the only time I had threatened an FA member was during a pirate invasion I went to our largest arkonor mining system and cursed at the guys still mining in local.(shortly after that they left and were seen defending, the corp members in question were: 2BIG, 2FIV, and 2CFI) These things we do not need to proove, as they are fact and were even commented on by lesser FA corps.
Additionally, we really don't know what accusations are against us. We have been told multiple things.. "paying pirates to attack", "never being on defence", "doing stuff and not stuff". We honestly don't have a straight answer of what we are accused of and we never have an answer. Truth be told, we were kicked from FA because we didn't agree with things XANADU said in meetings, we KNOW this to be the truth, but then they go and try to cover up that reason with this crap about stuff we have never done and THEN backstab us by putting us on the NFA KOS list.
Now here is where I quote from actual mails and conversations with BIG and XANADU officials~ The next post will contain another mail so keep reading.
"2004.04.14 19:31:00
I admit to have mixed you up regarding the selling of offices in my mail (just so much info atm....)
I just havent had the time to look up info about everything for everyone for each mail ive gotten.
So a few mail slips on my part.
But rest assured no such slip ups where made when teh actau decissions where made (and more ppl where present as well ofc).
Regarding getting CoRm of the KoS list - It's looking bright ;)
No promices though - and the final decission will not be taken until after saterdays meeting I think.
Regards
TornSoul
BIG-CEO" |
Embrace Death
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:05:00 -
[55]
"<[Xan]niwaie> you there?
<[CoRM]AfterShock> what?
<[Xan]niwaie> brisi just called me on the phone
<[Xan]niwaie> telling me that you had some open questions
<[Xan]niwaie> (you = CoRM)
<[CoRM]AfterShock> why were we kicked from the so called FA alliance?
<[Xan]niwaie> didnt you read the announcement? O_o
<[CoRM]AfterShock> that is not a reason
<[CoRM]AfterShock> why was my corp kicked?
<[Xan]niwaie> your corp was seen as one of the elements that damaged FA
<[CoRM]AfterShock> why?
<[CoRM]AfterShock> in what way?
<[CoRM]AfterShock> examples
<[Xan]niwaie> look at the last weeks
<[Xan]niwaie> or even months
<[Xan]niwaie> in FA
<[Xan]niwaie> there was no progress at all
<[Xan]niwaie> it was impossible to make any decissions
<[Xan]niwaie> and always it were the same corps blockading all and every progress
<[Xan]niwaie> its fine to disagree... you have every right to do so.
<[Xan]niwaie> but if disagreements goes to a point where we can not work together towards a common goal anymore it is time
for a change.
<[CoRM]AfterShock> so it is Zotigh
<[Xan]niwaie> as i said: disagreement is fine. political discussions are fine. but when every meeting ends up as a debating
club where nothing gets acchieved...
<[CoRM]AfterShock> So CoRM was debating too much in the meetings?
<[Xan]niwaie> i wasnt in the meetings personally
<[Xan]niwaie> cant really comment on that
<[CoRM]AfterShock> then why are you the one telling me this?
<[CoRM]AfterShock> because I was at the meetings
<[Xan]niwaie> because i am the one brisi called ;)
<[Xan]niwaie> and i was more referring to the boards
<[CoRM]AfterShock> I was the one who attended
<[Xan]niwaie> you brought up zotigh
<[Xan]niwaie> not me
<[Xan]niwaie> so i was referring to zotigh
<[CoRM]AfterShock> so you ARE speaking on one person
<[Xan]niwaie> are we debating? :)
<[CoRM]AfterShock> nope
<[CoRM]AfterShock> getting to the bottom of the "reason"
<[Xan]niwaie> k. you gave a name. i told you what i think about it.
<[CoRM]AfterShock> you spoke of the meetings
<[CoRM]AfterShock> then say your referring to the boards
<[Xan]niwaie> i was referring to the meetings for the general problems we had - i e age long discussions where nothing got
acchieved. this was the main reason why a change had to be made.
<[CoRM]AfterShock> Come on,, straight up,, bottom line, Why was CoRM kicked from the alliance?
<[CoRM]AfterShock> and I spoke of the meetings, because CoRM nor LRC made them long
<[CoRM]AfterShock> the meeting thingy cannot become the reason
<[CoRM]AfterShock> considering I attended all since the last few months
<[CoRM]AfterShock> and let's see
<[CoRM]AfterShock> The message boards?
<[CoRM]AfterShock> I don't post there
<[CoRM]AfterShock> and rarely do I see a post from a CoRM
<[Xan]niwaie> okay
<[Xan]niwaie> lets be blunt
<[CoRM]AfterShock> so I guess the message boards can't be a reason
<[CoRM]AfterShock> ahh
<[CoRM]AfterShock> to the point
<[Xan]niwaie> there are several members of your corp
<[Xan]niwaie> and your sister corp
<[Xan]niwaie> that are seen as a liability for the fa
<[Xan]niwaie> therefore
<[Xan]niwaie> when it came to the decission who to stay and who has to go
<[Xan]niwaie> it was decided to not take the risk
<[CoRM]AfterShock> names?
<[Xan]niwaie> for example zotigh or nephilim.
<[CoRM]AfterShock> they would be considered a liability?
<[CoRM]AfterShock> how?
<[Xan]niwaie> they were considered a liability. thats it.
<[CoRM]AfterShock> aww come on
<[Xan]niwaie> an alliance is about trust. if you lose trust, you have a problem.
<[Xan]niwaie> the corps that form the fa decided not to trust CoRM anymore.
<[CoRM]AfterShock> or a few corps
<[Xan]niwaie> you wanted a simple, blunt answer. thats it.
<[CoRM]AfterShock> thank you
<[Xan]niwaie> you're welcome
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~_~
Index of "How to avoid any risk for Dummies"
Chapter 1: Stay in Empire
Chapter 2: Log off at safespot if threatened
Chapter 3: Watch "players in space" and "local"
Chapter 4: Switch corps if war is declared on yours
Chapter 5: Equip 2 MWD and 5 warp core stableizers
Chapter 6: So you still got destroyed? Things you can do. See chap. 7 "Forum trolling and maintaining your carebear image" |
Embrace Death
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:12:00 -
[56]
Okay, now from these official comments from official Xanadu and BIG, can you see a good reason why CoRM was kicked out of FA? Yes, if you are Xanadu the answer is yes, we understand this much and we know that we often voted against Xanadu's votes(within reason). But from these mails, can you see a good reason as to WHY WE WERE PUT ON THE KOS LIST?
PS~ I don't know how to post screenshots of our patrols. :( |
ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:18:00 -
[57]
Quote:
Well, I read this and laughed my effing socks off.
So the whole takeover was not planned months in advance.
Evol were not brought to fountian as a hired gun.
Your right....it is just a coincidence!
No idea when this was planned.
We were NOT hired. That I CAN confirm.
Conicidence... hard to say. Maybe our presence made things seem to appear in a different light.
According to guys like reclaimer, we sux, have no honor, don't know anything about pvp, have never destroyed a ship, and do nothing but run logservers. I mean, if we are so ineffectual and useless, why would it matter where we are/were?
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:31:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 15/04/2004 15:32:05
The coup talk started about 2 weeks before the announcement.
As far as EVOL goes. I have no position on the matter.
Other than that, please stay on topic.
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Embrace Death
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:35:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Embrace Death on 15/04/2004 15:37:45
Ya' know.. I just read over the history of FA post and parts of this post..
and it came to me..
Everyone still in NFA are Xanadu's *****es, there is no democracy, if you start to vote agaisnt Xanadu the same thing will happen to you. Even the mighty BIG which played a part in this heeds the almight words of Xanadu. Congrats to you remaining NFA corps, ye of small pebbles who serve your dictator so wisely.
~_~
Index of "How to avoid any risk for Dummies"
Chapter 1: Stay in Empire
Chapter 2: Log off at safespot if threatened
Chapter 3: Watch "players in space" and "local"
Chapter 4: Switch corps if war is declared on yours
Chapter 5: Equip 2 MWD and 5 warp core stableizers
Chapter 6: So you still got destroyed? Things you can do. See chap. 7 "Forum trolling and maintaining your carebear image" |
Narim
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:40:00 -
[60]
Quote:
Edited by: Embrace Death on 15/04/2004 15:37:45
Ya' know.. I just read over the history of FA post and parts of this post..
and it came to me..
Everyone still in NFA are Xanadu's *****es, there is no democracy, if you start to vote agaisnt Xanadu the same thing will happen to you. Even the mighty BIG which played a part in this heeds the almight words of Xanadu. Congrats to you remaining NFA corps, ye of small pebbles who serve your dictator so wisely.
*yawn*
do you have to keep whining about it in every thread? |
Grimlaw
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:41:00 -
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Let me start by saying I am indeed a newb. IÆm barely over a month old in eve-time. I have no privileged knowledge of high level NFA/Ex-FA meetings. Note: that is not an invitation to flame me. Rather, itÆs and attempt to cut the flamers off before they get started. All my information has been gathered from these forums.
Some have requested proof showing CoRM was wronged. The proof is all over several FA related threads on this site. I donÆt want to bore everyone by re-re-re-restating things that have already been stated, but VERY basically: A few large corps disliked the ôinactionö of the FA governing council. They saw a need for a change and instigated a reorganization of the alliance to better fit their desires. In doing so, they shredded the FA constitution during the realignment. Only to reinstitute the constitution after the ôrepairsö saying , ôAll is well.. and oh by the way.. you guys that used to fight for the alliance, we are putting you on KOSö. I have yet to see any legitimate reason for being placed on the KOS list. I canÆt accept what has been posted so far as reason enough. So far itÆs been said CoRM is KOS for voting against XanadusÆ wishes and inactivity, with only the former being true?
If that is indeed the case, you have firmly placed CoRM and all who fight along side us on the side of righteousness. ThatÆs a side IÆm willing to commit myself to.
And to those who think newbs have nothing to offer in a fight, ponder this. You will have to pod me dozens of times before the cost of replacing my ship and clone equals the cost of one of your treasured battleships. And during that time how many of your battleships will I have played a part in itÆs destruction?
OOC- After over 4 years of MMORPG play.. this is the most exciting thing IÆve seen happen in a game. Certainly better than any in-game storyline (no offence CCP) CanÆt say I appreciate being given the short end of the stick but at least youÆve made it interesting. I look forward to seeing you end in a brief ball of plasma.
"Lets get it on with the killin' "
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Grimlaw
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Grimlaw on 15/04/2004 15:53:48
double post
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Kaio
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Posted - 2004.04.15 15:52:00 -
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I think it's going off topic. This thread, started by our CEO, hadn't the goal to flame or to accuse EVOL or any other of anything.
Some corps are strong, and it's normal they seek supremacy. In other game, CoRM was huge. and we played more aggressive roleplay. So really, it's not an issue. it's a game and everyone plays it as they have fun.
Xanadu is strong, prolly the strongest corp in eve right now. there is nothing personal towards anyone or any corp.
However, We just wanted to state our point, what we gave to FA and what happened in last 5 days.
Yes, the list is dated february, after war with moo and FE. but honestly this is also the REAL test to see who fighted and who didn't. Since that war, only thing we had to do was patrolling and we did. So as FA members we did honestly enough, and surely more than some of the corps still in FA.
Asking us to proove innocence...really how can you do if you don't even know the reasons for beeing kicked out? or for KOS?
How can someone defend from accuses like "you were flying with guild x"? or "you were rumoured to have talked to guild y?". we got no detail, no screenshots, no chat logs. nothing. I don't know in your book, but in my book, between long term allies, at least yu give the accused the chance to know the accuses and to explain. we didn't even see the vote which kicked us (if a vote did happen).
PS: to every CoRM guy (me included, except Aftershock, our CEO). PLEASE STOP POSTING (and to embrace, stop flaming). we made our point. really nothing else to say.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.04.15 16:04:00 -
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The orginial starter can write to [email protected] when he wants his thread locked.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Kakalot
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Posted - 2004.04.15 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kakalot on 15/04/2004 16:24:46
I suggest that everyone should read Aftershock and Kaio's posts. A lot of good points were stated there some of which i had no knowledge about.
Eris please watch this thread carefully, i fear some ppl might want to send this thread to lockville with some newly created characters.
My thought on this FA/NFA is the coup was well planned months ago. It achieved its objective: getting rid of "dead weight" at the same time recruiting more corps into the new organization. It's safe for me to say XAN succeeded in making it the way they wanted.
At the end of the game, it's all about outnumbering your foes. Like Kaio stated "doesn't mean we shouldn't fight".
Hey, at least this is game content. You'd rather read this or the stuff ccp put on the ingame new?
PS: editted spelling
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2004.04.15 16:36:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Detaitiv on 15/04/2004 16:42:22
The quick and dirty summation of how CORM got on the kos list:
FA was dealing HHI/HIV doing such things as...
[ 2004.03.29 01:52:33 ] SteelDragon > the only thing I ask in return is you go have your fun with them
[ 2004.03.29 01:52:44 ] SteelDragon > I'll get you insta jump BM all over FA space
[ 2004.03.29 01:53:02 ] SteelDragon > you go kill them for a while and make their lives miserable
Yet FA council did not vote HHI out... Is that a working Democracy?
CORM had a few members vocally supporting them and a few members working with them in the background. Numerous logs of convos that CORM people witnessed that NEEDED to be brought to the attention of other FA corps and never were. Actively conspiring with HHI/HIV to harm to FA corps and the like. And no it is not proper to start sharing screenshots and logs garnished from an enemy with which we have an ongoing conflict so don't ask. Once such things are known it is extremely easy to track down the source and remove it.
So at the time of the restructuring it was assumed CORM's sympathies would be on the HHI/HVI side. If that was in error things could always be talked through with CORM and the treasonous members removed.
As so often happens though, once ships were in space the hotheads prevailed. CORM ships getting shot at, CORM ships flying alongside the truly treasonous ones.
As I see it one of two things is happening:
1) It's truly unfortunate that we are losing a corp like CORM from the FA because of some troublesome members of theirs and truly inept administration of the issue on my part.
2) CORM failed to be communicative enough with other FA corps about their commitment to the alliance and let their treasonous members be the only voice we heard. This result was inevitable.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.15 16:57:00 -
[67]
If you want the whole story on the pirate talk, you are going to be massively upset.
I'll keep it short, and I will not comment further.
An FA corp member who shall remain nameless has an alt in Deadwieght corp.
Deadwieght was openly attacking HVI during this rift period in FA. Deadwieght told several members of HVI that they were hired by an FA corp "High up" that they were to hunt them. Matter of fact I beleive in that same snippet of the chat log you just posted they said it again.
Before you ask or flame, I won't reveal the alt, my source is too valuable to lose.
Anyhow, CoRM had nothing to do with any of that, and as you can see HVI was the victim of piracy from a directive made by the entity now known as the NFA.
Calling Zotigh a troublemaker is a far cry from the truth. All he did was bring up CoRM's justifiable concerns on the Director boards. Considering CoRM was in NFA space since the beginning of time for the Fountain Alliance, you would think they would be respectful and listen. Apparently Not.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.04.15 17:05:00 -
[68]
Quote:
FA was dealing HHI/HIV doing such things as...
[ 2004.03.29 01:52:33 ] SteelDragon > the only thing I ask in return is you go have your fun with them
[ 2004.03.29 01:52:44 ] SteelDragon > I'll get you insta jump BM all over FA space
[ 2004.03.29 01:53:02 ] SteelDragon > you go kill them for a while and make their lives miserable
Yet FA council did not vote HHI out... Is that a working Democracy?
This log was never brought up in council before the coup, so I fail to see how it can be evidence that the democratic process has failed.
If strong evidence that HVI/HHI had been acting against FA militarily (or aiding enemies) had been brought to the council, I am sure the council would have kicked them.
But the last FA council vote about HHI/HVI was triggered by an entirely different issue, namely one of HVI's directors (whose forum access was later removed) stirring up some major flamewars directed mostly at Xan on the internal FA forum. Apparently the FA council at that time decided that this issue was not big enough to warrant kicking them over it.
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Sparta
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Posted - 2004.04.15 17:42:00 -
[69]
Hey its a game; and I love you all for making it interesting.
The wonder of the game is how individually we can shape events and with our friends re-shape events. For CoRM's part we will seek to help provide more in game content through out EVE too.
As for my personal role play, as a result of Xandu attacks on CoRM Mining ops in Empire this week, I hope to provide Xandu more interesting game play myself.
Let us all enjoy our silent deaths in space. Hopefully yours not mine.
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Brutus Elite
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Posted - 2004.04.15 17:51:00 -
[70]
Embrace Death got a little carried away, forgive him he is both young and a Minmatar...he will have extra beatings to try and curb his .... enthusiasm.
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Smacktastic
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Posted - 2004.04.15 18:05:00 -
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I'd like the thread locked because everyone should be KOS to everyone.
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Embrace Death
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Posted - 2004.04.15 18:18:00 -
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"CORM had a few members vocally supporting them[revolution] and a few members working with them in the background. Numerous logs of convos that CORM people witnessed that NEEDED to be brought to the attention of other FA corps and never were."
Like who? Why is it that you do not tell us of this mystery list or post these "numerous logs of convos"? It is reasonable to KOS all of CORM, who have loyally supported FA for almost a year, because of a 'few members' that supposedly knew people that knew people that knew people in Revol? Is it so hard to say to our CEO "hey, this guy of yours is too friendly with our enemy.. could you do something about him please?"
No honor in what Xanadu has done, they backstab a long time member that helped defend their homeland because of some unprooven conspiracy? |
Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2004.04.15 19:27:00 -
[73]
If you wanted to resolve this issue, posting on these forums is the wrong thing and last thing to do. This is not a Xanadu matter, this is a Fountain Alliance matter. If you cannot wait until the next council meeting, then that is your choice, not ours.
Forum board diplomacy will get you no where.
Have a nice day,
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.04.15 19:52:00 -
[74]
Drawing from battle experiences with the real FA forces and the 4-5 indy-hunter, safe-spot invading wannabes, CoRM, it seems very fitting that FA stood up, took a vote and got rid of a corp that didnt fit in.
As far as being KOS to an entire alliance...join the club, men!
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
jigga
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Posted - 2004.04.15 20:07:00 -
[75]
Quote:
Deadwieght was openly attacking HVI during this rift period in FA. Deadwieght told several members of HVI that they were hired by an FA corp "High up" that they were to hunt them. Matter of fact I beleive in that same snippet of the chat log you just posted they said it again.
I don't know why he didn't nmention Xanadu here, but in all his other posts Xanadu were the ones who hired this Deadwieght corp to attack HVI. All I can say is this totally false and one of the many other accusations he's been leveling against Xanadu for the past few weeks and is continually doing. Not one of those accusations have been backed up with any proof whatsoever I might add.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.15 20:18:00 -
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I'm not biting flamepal :)
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jigga
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Posted - 2004.04.15 20:30:00 -
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Quote:
I'm not biting flamepal :)
That's what I like about you Aerick. You're a smart man and your graphic signature says it all. You only pick the battles you have a chance in winning.
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Zotigh
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Posted - 2004.04.15 20:46:00 -
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"If you wanted to resolve this issue, posting on these forums is the wrong thing and last thing to do. This is not a Xanadu matter, this is a Fountain Alliance matter. If you cannot wait until the next council meeting, then that is your choice, not ours. " -- Zagum
Read the first message in this topic, Zagum.
After being told in council meeting that we had 30 minutes to leave Fountain, and then accused of...I still don't know what. After being put on KOS by admited mistake of an NFA leader due to a name mixup for some unknown accusation. For having our pilots podded while on defensive patrol of Fountain (30 minutes to tell an international membership not to undock...lol..you folks are too sweet). After being hunted and killed in empire space. After repeated queries as to the reasons for being on KOS, and asking for the promised 'safe period' to remove our assets from our home systems...nada. Nothing. Only aggression where none was given.
Read the first post again, bud. You lost your chance for redemption.
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Istefan
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Posted - 2004.04.15 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Istefan on 15/04/2004 22:57:46
Edited by: Istefan on 15/04/2004 20:57:40
Edited by: Istefan on 15/04/2004 20:55:55
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If you wanted to resolve this issue, posting on these forums is the wrong thing and last thing to do. This is not a Xanadu matter, this is a Fountain Alliance matter. If you cannot wait until the next council meeting, then that is your choice, not ours.
Forum board diplomacy will get you no where.
Have a nice day,
This is my third post on this forum. Yes, I'm a newb, I've only been playing a couple of months, if that. I don't claim to know all of the history or even all of the players in this soap opera just yet. Up until this weekend, I've been raising my skills to better help with mining, etc so that I could properly contribute to such ops and be able to afford larger ships when my skills would allow me to use them. Now I'm training nothing but PVP skills.
If the members of this NFA, FA or whatever you choose to call yourselves had a shred of decency, you would have removed CORM/LRC from the KOS until the next Council meeting.
The fact that you are/were even considering removing these corps from the KOS in and of itself shows that some of you realize that you might have been wrong in placing CORM/LRC on the KOS in the first place. Calling a cease fire until the matter could be discussed would have been a more reasonable approach.
During the "coup" people were shot down that were in Fountain only because they had been there for the sole purpose of defending Fountain and serving the FA just the day before. The CORM members that were killed were not there to mine, etc. There were there serving Fountain Alliance. The actions last weekend were the basest of betrayals. Killing and podding our people outside of Fountain space just confirms who is the agressor here.
Calling a halt to the KOS status until you could have your next meeting is the least you could have done if you were dealing in good faith.
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Omg. Damn Alt Scum. Go end yourselves imediatley. and for the people not wanting to be mistaken as alts Change your char so it states what corp you belong to. That's the main reason for being called an alt..
I've jumped in way to late to post anything of value except this:
Recycle yourselves you bloody alt newb chars  .
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