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Silver Night	Posted - 2008.03.30 07:29:00 - [31] Originally by: mishkof What I dont understand is the people who cry to nerf missions... You dont do missions. The Carebears that do them have no effect on you what so ever. Most of them dont PVP, trade or do anything that would threaten anything you do in eve. (At least the hardcore mission runners) I just dont get people who just want to **** on anothers good time. The hardcore mission runners do though. Because they create a massive influx of new ISK. That by itself is an effect on the economy. They also tend to refine and sell minerals at below what it is reasonable for miners to sell them for (Macro miners excepted). They create demand for certain ship types. They allow people in 0.0 to have mission running alts to replenish ISK when the going gets tough (This obviously would not be the same as players solely dedicated to mission running, but it deserves mention.) They are certainly a large part of the economy, one way or another. Saying they have no effect on anyone else is a bit short sighted. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.30 07:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Queen Killerz Are people really that dumb that they cant see truncate has made payout less? that they don't see how there been a decrease in payout in missions? I don't have to prove crap. check wallet dates and look at your mission data mate. How has truncated payouts lessened the amounts? You do what truncate means, right? It means not all names are listed, but instead listed as "..." All ships killed you are given the bounty for, whether they are truncated or not. Truncation has had zero effect on mission payouts.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.30 08:19:00 - [33] I for one have not noticed any drop in bounties in the missions I ran in the past few days... Everything is as it should be. And all the hatred basically stems from envy. The only thing stopping the whiners from doing the same is that they consider mission running the most boring thing in the world and they would rather do something exciting to them. While the hardcore mission runners (well, at least my humble self) actually have some fun doing them (even if half of that fun is wathing the wallet blink). And of course it cannot be that someone else can have fun earning money when they consider it a chore... There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
mishkof	Posted - 2008.03.30 08:47:00 - [34] Edited by: mishkof on 30/03/2008 08:53:14 Edited by: mishkof on 30/03/2008 08:48:27 Originally by: Silver Night The hardcore mission runners do though. Because they create a massive influx of new ISK. That by itself is an effect on the economy. They also tend to refine and sell minerals at below what it is reasonable for miners to sell them for (Macro miners excepted). They create demand for certain ship types. They allow people in 0.0 to have mission running alts to replenish ISK when the going gets tough (This obviously would not be the same as players solely dedicated to mission running, but it deserves mention.) They are certainly a large part of the economy, one way or another. Saying they have no effect on anyone else is a bit short sighted. Sorry man. I have ran missions before. It really isnt massive amounts of minerals. You arent getting enough to make anything substantial like a carrier or anything. A min drop in 0.0 can net you more trit then you could get in months of missioning. If it makes it easier for some to PVP then that is a good thing. This is a PVP game. If someone is a hardcore mission runner what do they spend their ISK on? officer mods from 0.0...missiles? I would buy your arguement that to much ISK is being pumped into eve if it was causing inflation...but it isnt. Prices on most items are going down. You need to provide more substancial evidence then what is basicaly some down to which is...people are making money. Edit - sorry have to add this. I just came from teh drone regions and that is the cause of the fall of mins like Nox. you can get 400k-500k K in a couple of hours ratting. /ninja edit I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response. []hate me []troll me []smack me
Ralara D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.30 09:08:00 - [35] Originally by: mishkof Edited by: mishkof on 30/03/2008 08:53:14 Edited by: mishkof on 30/03/2008 08:48:27 Originally by: Silver Night The hardcore mission runners do though. Because they create a massive influx of new ISK. That by itself is an effect on the economy. They also tend to refine and sell minerals at below what it is reasonable for miners to sell them for (Macro miners excepted). They create demand for certain ship types. They allow people in 0.0 to have mission running alts to replenish ISK when the going gets tough (This obviously would not be the same as players solely dedicated to mission running, but it deserves mention.) They are certainly a large part of the economy, one way or another. Saying they have no effect on anyone else is a bit short sighted. Sorry man. I have ran missions before. It really isnt massive amounts of minerals. You arent getting enough to make anything substantial like a carrier or anything. A min drop in 0.0 can net you more trit then you could get in months of missioning. If it makes it easier for some to PVP then that is a good thing. This is a PVP game. If someone is a hardcore mission runner what do they spend their ISK on? officer mods from 0.0...missiles? I would buy your arguement that to much ISK is being pumped into eve if it was causing inflation...but it isnt. Prices on most items are going down. You need to provide more substancial evidence then what is basicaly some down to which is...people are making money. Edit - sorry have to add this. I just came from teh drone regions and that is the cause of the fall of mins like Nox. you can get 400k-500k K in a couple of hours ratting. /ninja edit Yes but when there's 75k of people doing it... -- Ralara / Ralarina
Andrue	Posted - 2008.03.30 10:10:00 - [36] There's been no change to mission bounties or rewards where I am. The loot has become less and less valuable over the last six months but not significantly. I'm still earning the same with L4 as I always did (between 15 and 20 mil an hour). -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Rawr Cristina	Posted - 2008.03.30 10:47:00 - [37] Originally by: mishkof What I dont understand is the people who cry to nerf missions... You dont do missions. The Carebears that do them have no effect on you what so ever. Most of them dont PVP, trade or do anything that would threaten anything you do in eve. (At least the hardcore mission runners) I just dont get people who just want to ** on anothers good time. It's not about stepping on other people's good time, it's about balance. It's that out of all the options available to effortlessly grind ISK, Missionrunning by far exceeds them all. and please** don't think that missions are ONLY run by carebears/people who never PvP. You'd be suprised at just how many PvPers get their funding by missionrunning. ... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.03.30 11:11:00 - [38] Originally by: mishkof What I dont understand is the people who cry to nerf missions... You dont do missions. The Carebears that do them have no effect on you what so ever. Most of them dont PVP, trade or do anything that would threaten anything you do in eve. (At least the hardcore mission runners) I just dont get people who just want to **** on anothers good time. I have highlighted the wrongest thing in your post. Because it's completely wrong. So very, very wrong. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Bimjo SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2008.03.30 11:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've run missions in a Raven quite extensively (standing with RSS is now like 9.5) since January and have not experienced a perceptible drop in either loot value or missions payouts since then. If someone has objective data supporting an overall drop in mission ISK gain I'd love to see it, and would gladly change my opinion on the subject henceforth. I have seen a drop in mission loot , but it started in december , apart from getting less decent loot I have not seen certain missions like Angel Extraveganza since
Ioci	Posted - 2008.03.30 12:08:00 - [40] I haven't noticed any difference in missions but they flucuate so much, I couldn't notice if I wanted to. My level 3 agent gives missions any where from 150K to 600K add bonus. The bounites are cruiser on those and are similar to .4 sec rats. You might want to check your corp to see what the tax is.

Legio Praetor	Posted - 2008.03.30 12:11:00 - [41] Originally by: Silver Night And missions, if anything, need to be nerfed more. I have never run a level 4 mission in my life, and have mostly stayed in high sec and I ahve plenty of money. Quit whining. Way to justify why missions needs to be nerfed more.
Porsches	Posted - 2008.03.30 12:21:00 - [42] Missions were nerfed. No more rare spawns like Domination bosses etc either. Most loot in cans is useless of almost no value. Several missions dont even get to have bounties, waste of ammo and time. For a player using t2 gear theres almost no point in running missions. For the people saying.. go into 0.0 etc.. some people dont like to have to be in 1k ppl alliances to be able to do anything. Some r sheep and like it.. some dont.
Judge Ment	Posted - 2008.03.30 17:29:00 - [43] Edited by: Judge Ment on 30/03/2008 17:32:17 Your all to much = And CCP Is full of CRAP TOO! First off: I might be a carebear and PVP. Hell I done both sense I started CCP. From the beginning I lived in 0.0 creating my market. Then Joining Imperium to fight in Fleet battles. Then I decided enough of this lag I want something more from this game - I created a Account K Rose - A Industrial, Manufacture - Science CEO. Second off: All you mutts sit on the forum and cry about how bad things are with ISK Sellers and Macro Miners, When CCP Already new that there was a problem. Note: Most working people pay for isk because CCP Forgets that - Takes tme to make isk - Third most thing to remember: John Joe, It takes a lot of isk to PVP. So yes most PVPers have a CAREBEAR Account! Last: the Grubbing CEO that farm their people don't really split the correct amount - this leaving most PVP people to run them Carebear accounts.. END
Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate Aeon Group Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.30 17:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Legio Praetor Originally by: Silver Night And missions, if anything, need to be nerfed more. I have never run a level 4 mission in my life, and have mostly stayed in high sec and I ahve plenty of money. Quit whining. Way to justify why missions needs to be nerfed more. Well ya NOOB, you must be the kinda person to mine your isk. Or maybe that guy who thinks he a pirate. Or maybe your just kinda person who just forum TROLL. These are the idiots we don't need controlling the game! People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Or we should just find anohter game to waste our money on each month. screw you mate!
Rabbitgod	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:48:00 - [45] Edited by: Rabbitgod on 30/03/2008 18:50:12 I made 1.4bil in just about a month of LV4 mission running. So my only comments are these. A) Your doing it wrong. B) Nerf Missions - no more high sec LV4 agents. C) If your are clearing 1.4bil a month but your expenses are so high that you feel poor then get your expenses under control because your doing that wrong. D) If you are making and banking most of the 1.4bil but are unhappy because you want that shiny officer fitted Rattlesnake or Nightmare, tough. Besides your don't want those ships you'll just become a big target and lose them. How do I know? Because writing, even if it is just here on EvE-O, is a window into the soul and I can see in you is a shed full of dull and rusty tools. This doesn't apply only to the OP it applies to anyone that supports her views. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Judge Ment	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Rabbitgod Edited by: Rabbitgod on 30/03/2008 18:50:12 I made 1.4bil in just about a month of LV4 mission running. So my only comments are these. A) Your doing it wrong. B) Nerf Missions - no more high sec LV4 agents. C) If your are clearing 1.4bil a month but your expenses are so high that you feel poor then get your expenses under control because your doing that wrong. D) If you are making and banking most of the 1.4bil but are unhappy because you want that shiny officer fitted Rattlesnake or Nightmare, tough. Besides your don't want those ships you'll just become a big target and lose them. How do I know? Because writing, even if it is just here on EvE-O, is a window into the soul and I can see in you is a shed full of dull and rusty tools. This doesn't apply only to the OP it applies to anyone that supports her views. I Can make 3 billion mining in empire, then building some ships "selling them in rens" in about a week. WHAT THE **** IS YOUR POINT?
Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate Aeon Group Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:07:00 - [47] I think PEOPLE are missing the point what OP is saying. EVE is attacking missions people by decreasing the payments in Bounties and Loot. The Timetable that it takes to make enough isk to stay a float is CRAZY. Point is logical On CCP side I can agree that GTC might be the reason for HUGE concern. Which falls under the ISK Farmers who don't pay for the game. Same reason why they NERF the carrier, OR At least they didn't admit to them reason. Im coming close to giving it up! tbh
Plib Viziam	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:12:00 - [48] Originally by: Bimjo Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've run missions in a Raven quite extensively (standing with RSS is now like 9.5) since January and have not experienced a perceptible drop in either loot value or missions payouts since then. If someone has objective data supporting an overall drop in mission ISK gain I'd love to see it, and would gladly change my opinion on the subject henceforth. I have seen a drop in mission loot , but it started in december , apart from getting less decent loot I have not seen certain missions like Angel Extraveganza since Yah, December at least. It used to be worth checking the loot before putting it in the reproc container but I gave that up earlier this year. If it's not a really obvious named item it goes in the junk pile now. On the plus side it seems to have pushed even more mission runners into selling stuff on the market and a lot of them don't seem to have a clue what the mineral value is
Gracious NightAngel	Posted - 2008.03.30 20:21:00 - [49] Originally by: Plib Originally by: Bimjo Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've run missions in a Raven quite extensively (standing with RSS is now like 9.5) since January and have not experienced a perceptible drop in either loot value or missions payouts since then. If someone has objective data supporting an overall drop in mission ISK gain I'd love to see it, and would gladly change my opinion on the subject henceforth. I have seen a drop in mission loot , but it started in december , apart from getting less decent loot I have not seen certain missions like Angel Extraveganza since Yah, December at least. It used to be worth checking the loot before putting it in the reproc container but I gave that up earlier this year. If it's not a really obvious named item it goes in the junk pile now. On the plus side it seems to have pushed even more mission runners into selling stuff on the market and a lot of them don't seem to have a clue what the mineral value is There are market bots to stop you from doing this! BTW Nice IDea I tried it, You might make some isk but would take ALONG time to make anything usefull of it
Reven Darklight	Posted - 2008.03.31 02:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Judge Ment Point is logical On CCP side I can agree that GTC might be the reason for HUGE concern. Which falls under the ISK Farmers who don't pay for the game. i disagree with this part of your post, I play this game via GTCs, i have 2 accts and spend what ever i spend on GTCs. But somebody buys those GTCS so the end result is CCP still get money for my accts, they just aren't getting it from me and they probable aren't getting as much as I would pay for them. But they are getting paid

Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate Aeon Group Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.31 02:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Reven Darklight Originally by: Judge Ment Point is logical On CCP side I can agree that GTC might be the reason for HUGE concern. Which falls under the ISK Farmers who don't pay for the game. i disagree with this part of your post, I play this game via GTCs, i have 2 accts and spend what ever i spend on GTCs. But somebody buys those GTCS so the end result is CCP still get money for my accts, they just aren't getting it from me and they probable aren't getting as much as I would pay for them. But they are getting paid Food for thought "How many hrs do you spend playing a day"
Zifrian Gallente Federal Bank Interstellar Corporate Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.31 02:43:00 - [52] Edited by: Zifrian on 31/03/2008 02:45:17 I just want the standings for JC's and to use the LP store eventually. I could really care less about the isk reward. It's nice but I could make more with exploration or mining/industry probably. Running missions gets pretty gd boring honestly. I wish I could do them faster but that's because my skills suck heh.
Blood Daemon Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.31 02:59:00 - [53] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Elderly people can't use computers any one who says otherwise is crazy QFT... Imagine an elderly person with shakes... happily missions away in high sec, making millions of isk in his faction fitted navy raven.. decides to buy a full set of snake implants which depletes his isk to 100,000.00, then decides to make a new home, sets waypoint and see's it has 1 low sec system enroute.. not that big a deal just 1 jump... He jumps through only to be faced with a large gatecamp.. .. (P.S. sorry for my dark humor
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.31 03:05:00 - [54] Originally by: Blood Daemon Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Elderly people can't use computers any one who says otherwise is crazy QFT... Imagine an elderly person with shakes... happily missions away in high sec, making millions of isk in his faction fitted navy raven.. decides to buy a full set of snake implants which depletes his isk to 100,000.00, then decides to make a new home, sets waypoint and see's it has 1 low sec system enroute.. not that big a deal just 1 jump... He jumps through only to be faced with a large gatecamp.. .. (P.S. sorry for my dark humor I have vent of this very thing. It's more upsetting than it is funny. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Marlona Sky	Posted - 2008.03.31 03:21:00 - [55] Originally by: mishkof What I dont understand is the people who cry to nerf missions... You dont do missions. The Carebears that do them have no effect on you what so ever. Most of them dont PVP, trade or do anything that would threaten anything you do in eve. (At least the hardcore mission runners) I just dont get people who just want to **** on anothers good time. Jealousy maybe? Such is life. You will always have people who want what you have worked hard for. Why should they bust their ass to get these items when they can just kick back and wait to high sec gank you and viola, what was once yours that you worked hard to get, is now theirs for hardly working. But its ok, you can cash in your kill rights to get back at them and get even!... er... wait, guess I was mistaken. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that... er, wait... no you can't! Remove insurance payout for being Concorded!!! [img]http://tri.exanimo.org/?a=sig&i=23160&s=guard_b
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.31 04:45:00 - [56] lv4s seemed fine last i ran them 10.0 cpf standing ftw! too bad concord doesn't like me
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.31 04:54:00 - [57] I got Guristas Extravaganza yesterday with a qual:18 Level 4 agent but turned it down since I've heard bad things. It's the first ____________ Extravaganza I ever remember getting. It would have yielded about 4200 LPs but whatever. As it turns out turning it down was a good move, since I got "The Assault" next, which also gives around 4200 LPs. The Assault can be completed in less than 20 minutes with a standard Raven.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.31 05:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 31/03/2008 04:56:09 I got Guristas Extravaganza yesterday with a qual:18 Level 4 agent but turned it down since I've heard bad things. It's the first ____________ Extravaganza I ever remember getting. It would have yielded about 4200 LPs but whatever. As it turns out turning it down was a good move, since I got "The Assault" next, which also gives around 4200 LPs. The Assault can be completed in less than 20 minutes with a standard Raven (but that's assuming you skip the first two rooms, which leaves at least 30 mil in bounty and salvage behind.) I guess I've found that LPs are more valuable to me. edit: this post was in response to the other post that stated a lack of _____ Extravaganza missions (maybe they were lessened in frequency; I'm only speaking from limited personal experience), but my connection is acting up and it's taking forever to copy a quote and transfer it. guristas extra is rather easy and damn, never knew you could do the assault that way, i likes the 30mil bounty/salvage
Marcus TheMartin Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.03.31 05:39:00 - [59] HOW DARE MY EASY MONEY GET NERFED
Ezekiel Sulastin Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.31 05:43:00 - [60] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin HOW DARE MY EASY MONEY GET NERFED HOW DARE I GET CALLED FOR MY OBVIOUS TROLLING AND IGNORANCE OF DIFFERING OPINIONS! There's a reason I try to avoid posting in threads like these - it's like two brick walls arguing with each other ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO



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