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Queen Killerz
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.30 04:44:00 -
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By now everyone should have experience the lack of payouts in missions for bounties. CCP Really should overlook the bounties and payout for missions, THIS IS CROCK OF ****.
Here where its really hitting the working class people, Who probably are thinking "Buying isk isn't a bad idea" Because NO way are you going to be able to put 80hrs into the game to come out with 80 to 100million in bounties in 12 hr day.
Another huge problem (DROPS) give me a break.
When will this madness stop? 
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.03.30 04:48:00 -
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Indeed. Missionrunners have it really hard right now. They take all that risk whoring missions and for what? A paltry ****ton of standing, ISK and LPs?
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.03.30 04:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Indeed. Missionrunners have it really hard right now. They take all that risk whoring missions and for what? A paltry ****ton of standing, ISK and LPs?
My deepest sympathies
Apart from a short term ability to get access to agents what use are standings? they are useless and more of a hindrance unless your "rolplaying" by pretending your work for the caldari navy by just running missions.
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Posted - 2008.03.30 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Killerz
By now everyone should have experience the lack of payouts in missions for bounties. CCP Really should overlook the bounties and payout for missions, THIS IS CROCK OF ****.
Here where its really hitting the working class people, Who probably are thinking "Buying isk isn't a bad idea" Because NO way are you going to be able to put 80hrs into the game to come out with 80 to 100million in bounties in 12 hr day.
Another huge problem (DROPS) give me a break.
When will this madness stop?
What the hell are you talking about?
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.03.30 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 30/03/2008 04:58:03
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Apart from a short term ability to get access to agents what use are standings? they are useless and more of a hindrance unless your "rolplaying" by pretending your work for the caldari navy by just running missions.
Better refine, and some other things I can't remember right now.
Lets not also forget that the poor mission runners also get a choice to trade in LPs for ISK (buy **** with LPs -> Sell on market) or use those LPs for dirt cheap faction stuff/implants/etc
Oh and lets not forget there is abso*******lutely 0 risk as long as you're paying attention.
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2008.03.30 04:58:00 -
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Bring back decaying standings \ /
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.03.30 04:58:00 -
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Even if hisec missioning -was- nerfed (which I doubt), it would be a step in the right direction.
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Queen Killerz
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:00:00 -
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mhmm Mission runner or a daily POP-A-ROCK-MINER.
See you forget there are people who enjoy the other side of EVE. The older people who don't have the need "Anxiety & Panic Attacks Symptoms."
Not to be hypocrite I do enjoy fighting but there a lot of my friends who don't play EVE for the same pleasure as me. I don't think they will ever want to enter low-sec or 0.0 or even care too. And nothing you people can do to make them feel they need too.
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Gamesguy
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Killerz
mhmm Mission runner or a daily POP-A-ROCK-MINER.
See you forget there are people who enjoy the other side of EVE. The older people who don't have the need "Anxiety & Panic Attacks Symptoms."
Not to be hypocrite I do enjoy fighting but there a lot of my friends who don't play EVE for the same pleasure as me. I don't think they will ever want to enter low-sec or 0.0 or even care too. And nothing you people can do to make them feel they need too.
You've yet to offer any proof that mission rewards have been nerfed.
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Tellenta
White-Noise
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:10:00 -
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seriously highsec missioning is fine... I use it to correct my standings for certain indiscretions. It's the idiots that make faction fitted ravens thinking its isk well spent that will feel it if there was a isk nerf. seriously, if your battleship cost more than 200 mill tops, 300 mill for caldari due to market, you are doing it WRONG.
but i can do missions faster with faction fittings!! Really? how long will it take to counter the cost of a faction raven and fittings? especially if your the working man you claim to be.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Queen Killerz
mhmm Mission runner or a daily POP-A-ROCK-MINER.
See you forget there are people who enjoy the other side of EVE. The older people who don't have the need "Anxiety & Panic Attacks Symptoms."
Not to be hypocrite I do enjoy fighting but there a lot of my friends who don't play EVE for the same pleasure as me. I don't think they will ever want to enter low-sec or 0.0 or even care too. And nothing you people can do to make them feel they need too.
You've yet to offer any proof that mission rewards have been nerfed.
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Wagstaff
Darkdust Industries Empire
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Better refine, and some other things I can't remember right now.
Free datacores. Locator agents. Jump clones if your corp cooperates on either getting 8.0 or not goofing it up.
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Queen Killerz
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:22:00 -
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Are people really that dumb that they cant see truncate has made payout less? that they don't see how there been a decrease in payout in missions? I don't have to prove crap. check wallet dates and look at your mission data mate.
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 30/03/2008 05:28:50
Originally by: Queen Killerz
Are people really that dumb that they cant see truncate has made payout less? that they don't see how there been a decrease in payout in missions? I don't have to prove crap. check wallet dates and look at your mission data mate.
If you are going to whine and ***** on the forums you need to provide the ******* evidence for your claims. If you want anyone to give a **** you need to give them a reason to, because people aren't going to go through the trouble of doing so just because some random person on the forums told them to.
tl; dr: Proof or GTFO
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See you forget there are people who enjoy the other side of EVE. The older people who don't have the need "Anxiety & Panic Attacks Symptoms."
Not to be hypocrite I do enjoy fighting but there a lot of my friends who don't play EVE for the same pleasure as me. I don't think they will ever want to enter low-sec or 0.0 or even care too. And nothing you people can do to make them feel they need too.
Yes, because clearly the only thing to do other than missioning/mining in hisec is to pewpew other players in 0.0/lowsec. Also, you fail miserably for assuming some personal superiority due to your profession in an internets spaceship game (Bolded the part I'm referring to).
Oh, and again, you still haven't any proof that missionrunning is less profitable than before, let alone not feasible as a source of income
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
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Apart from a short term ability to get access to agents what use are standings? they are useless and more of a hindrance unless your "rolplaying" by pretending your work for the caldari navy by just running missions.
Better refine, and some other things I can't remember right now.
Lets not also forget that the poor mission runners also get a choice to trade in LPs for ISK (buy **** with LPs -> Sell on market) or use those LPs for dirt cheap faction stuff/implants/etc
Oh and lets not forget there is abso*******lutely 0 risk as long as you're paying attention.
Tax cuts for refining and trading, jump clones, high sec research POS anchoring, and yeah you can make out pretty well selling faction ammo, implants and other misc. LP store crap. Standing is the only reason I do missions at all TBH, I hate running missions.
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Queen Killerz
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tellenta
seriously highsec missioning is fine... I use it to correct my standings for certain indiscretions. It's the idiots that make faction fitted ravens thinking its isk well spent that will feel it if there was a isk nerf. seriously, if your battleship cost more than 200 mill tops, 300 mill for caldari due to market, you are doing it WRONG.
but i can do missions faster with faction fittings!! Really? how long will it take to counter the cost of a faction raven and fittings? especially if your the working man you claim to be.
TBH
Non of your business how we choose to play our game! And your opinion doesn't count for anything either..
And who the hell do you think you are anyways?
This is just smack talk!
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 30/03/2008 05:30:57
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Non of your business how we choose to play our game! And your opinion doesn't count for anything either..
And yet no one said that missioning should be banned. We said that
1) You get a ****ton of rewards already from missioning, missioning was already way too profitable in various ways compared to other EVE professions.
2) You have NO PROOF that there was even a nerf, and even if you did, the nerf would be a -good- thing (see point 1)
We don't want you to stop missioning, we want you to
a) Back up your complaints with proof, and
b) explain why the change was a bad thing
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Queen Killerz
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 30/03/2008 05:30:57
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Non of your business how we choose to play our game! And your opinion doesn't count for anything either..
And yet no one said that missioning should be banned. We said that
1) You get a ****ton of rewards already from missioning, missioning was already way too profitable in various ways compared to other EVE professions.
2) You have NO PROOF that there was even a nerf, and even if you did, the nerf would be a -good- thing (see point 1)
We don't want you to stop missioning, we want you to
a) Back up your complaints with proof, and
b) explain why the change was a bad thing
Scroll up TROLL
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:33:00 -
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I've run missions in a Raven quite extensively (standing with RSS is now like 9.5) since January and have not experienced a perceptible drop in either loot value or missions payouts since then. If someone has objective data supporting an overall drop in mission ISK gain I'd love to see it, and would gladly change my opinion on the subject henceforth.
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:34:00 -
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Quote:
Scroll up TROLL
Look at me, I'm using bold font to flame someone and emphasize my view in the hopes that I wont have to actually back up my complaints.
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Silver Night
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wagstaff
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Better refine, and some other things I can't remember right now.
Free datacores. Locator agents. Jump clones if your corp cooperates on either getting 8.0 or not goofing it up.
Actually, you don't need your corp. Your personal standings will work for Jump clones. Corp cooperation can lead to high sec POSs though. Also, faction ships if you get your standings really high. 2 each free frigates and crusirs, and a BS if you have insane standings. (Well, BPCs, but practically free)
And missions, if anything, need to be nerfed more. I have never run a level 4 mission in my life, and have mostly stayed in high sec and I ahve plenty of money. Quit whining.
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:36:00 -
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I'm doing missions atm, no change in payout from 6-8 months ago.
They also have no inherent risk whatsoever (unless you sit there and let yourself get killed), but pay huge ISK regardless.
If anything, a nerf is what they need.
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Judge Ment
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:39:00 -
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I been doing mission for a long time now. I'm currently 9.0 with ammartar, 6.3 amarr and 7.0 caldari. I have seen a huge drop in payments like OP has written.
W.C., Vengeance and Damsel ..
I'm going to agree with the OP here sorry
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sableye
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Night
Originally by: Wagstaff
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Better refine, and some other things I can't remember right now.
Free datacores. Locator agents. Jump clones if your corp cooperates on either getting 8.0 or not goofing it up.
Actually, you don't need your corp. Your personal standings will work for Jump clones. Corp cooperation can lead to high sec POSs though. Also, faction ships if you get your standings really high. 2 each free frigates and crusirs, and a BS if you have insane standings. (Well, BPCs, but practically free)
And missions, if anything, need to be nerfed more. I have never run a level 4 mission in my life, and have mostly stayed in high sec and I ahve plenty of money. Quit whining.
how do you get free factional ships from really high stnadings?
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:52:00 -
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There are some agents in cosmos constellations. Free is an exaggeration, but as long as you have the standings, you give them a few tags and other cheap stuff and they give you the BPCs. I got Navy Caracal 2 run and hookbill 2 run. Like I said, even my standings were insufficient for the CNR BPC.
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Judge Ment
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:53:00 -
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They give faction ships?
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sableye
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Night
There are some agents in cosmos constellations. Free is an exaggeration, but as long as you have the standings, you give them a few tags and other cheap stuff and they give you the BPCs. I got Navy Caracal 2 run and hookbill 2 run. Like I said, even my standings were insufficient for the CNR BPC.
this I'll have to look into I have very high standings :)
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Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.03.30 06:44:00 -
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Elderly people can't use computers any one who says otherwise is crazy
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PsychoBones
Morphine Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.30 07:10:00 -
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Tbh, you are gonna have to provide some proof if you want people to give a ****. Simply saying "this is how it is" and expecting people to believe and/or care simply won't cut it on these forums.
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mishkof
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.30 07:11:00 -
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What I dont understand is the people who cry to nerf missions...
You dont do missions. The Carebears that do them have no effect on you what so ever. Most of them dont PVP, trade or do anything that would threaten anything you do in eve. (At least the hardcore mission runners)
I just dont get people who just want to **** on anothers good time.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2008.03.30 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: mishkof
What I dont understand is the people who cry to nerf missions...
You dont do missions. The Carebears that do them have no effect on you what so ever. Most of them dont PVP, trade or do anything that would threaten anything you do in eve. (At least the hardcore mission runners)
I just dont get people who just want to **** on anothers good time.
The hardcore mission runners do though. Because they create a massive influx of new ISK. That by itself is an effect on the economy. They also tend to refine and sell minerals at below what it is reasonable for miners to sell them for (Macro miners excepted). They create demand for certain ship types.
They allow people in 0.0 to have mission running alts to replenish ISK when the going gets tough (This obviously would not be the same as players solely dedicated to mission running, but it deserves mention.)
They are certainly a large part of the economy, one way or another. Saying they have no effect on anyone else is a bit short sighted.
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Posted - 2008.03.30 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Killerz
Are people really that dumb that they cant see truncate has made payout less? that they don't see how there been a decrease in payout in missions? I don't have to prove crap. check wallet dates and look at your mission data mate.
How has truncated payouts lessened the amounts? You do what truncate means, right? It means not all names are listed, but instead listed as "..."
All ships killed you are given the bounty for, whether they are truncated or not. Truncation has had zero effect on mission payouts.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.30 08:19:00 -
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I for one have not noticed any drop in bounties in the missions I ran in the past few days...
Everything is as it should be.
And all the hatred basically stems from envy. The only thing stopping the whiners from doing the same is that they consider mission running the most boring thing in the world and they would rather do something exciting to them. While the hardcore mission runners (well, at least my humble self) actually have some fun doing them (even if half of that fun is wathing the wallet blink). And of course it cannot be that someone else can have fun earning money when they consider it a chore...
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Posted - 2008.03.30 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: mishkof on 30/03/2008 08:53:14
Edited by: mishkof on 30/03/2008 08:48:27
Originally by: Silver Night
The hardcore mission runners do though. Because they create a massive influx of new ISK. That by itself is an effect on the economy. They also tend to refine and sell minerals at below what it is reasonable for miners to sell them for (Macro miners excepted). They create demand for certain ship types.
They allow people in 0.0 to have mission running alts to replenish ISK when the going gets tough (This obviously would not be the same as players solely dedicated to mission running, but it deserves mention.)
They are certainly a large part of the economy, one way or another. Saying they have no effect on anyone else is a bit short sighted.
Sorry man. I have ran missions before. It really isnt massive amounts of minerals. You arent getting enough to make anything substantial like a carrier or anything. A min drop in 0.0 can net you more trit then you could get in months of missioning.
If it makes it easier for some to PVP then that is a good thing. This is a PVP game.
If someone is a hardcore mission runner what do they spend their ISK on? officer mods from 0.0...missiles?
I would buy your arguement that to much ISK is being pumped into eve if it was causing inflation...but it isnt. Prices on most items are going down. You need to provide more substancial evidence then what is basicaly some down to which is...people are making money.
Edit - sorry have to add this. I just came from teh drone regions and that is the cause of the fall of mins like Nox. you can get 400k-500k K in a couple of hours ratting. /ninja edit
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Posted - 2008.03.30 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: mishkof
Edited by: mishkof on 30/03/2008 08:53:14
Edited by: mishkof on 30/03/2008 08:48:27
Originally by: Silver Night
The hardcore mission runners do though. Because they create a massive influx of new ISK. That by itself is an effect on the economy. They also tend to refine and sell minerals at below what it is reasonable for miners to sell them for (Macro miners excepted). They create demand for certain ship types.
They allow people in 0.0 to have mission running alts to replenish ISK when the going gets tough (This obviously would not be the same as players solely dedicated to mission running, but it deserves mention.)
They are certainly a large part of the economy, one way or another. Saying they have no effect on anyone else is a bit short sighted.
Sorry man. I have ran missions before. It really isnt massive amounts of minerals. You arent getting enough to make anything substantial like a carrier or anything. A min drop in 0.0 can net you more trit then you could get in months of missioning.
If it makes it easier for some to PVP then that is a good thing. This is a PVP game.
If someone is a hardcore mission runner what do they spend their ISK on? officer mods from 0.0...missiles?
I would buy your arguement that to much ISK is being pumped into eve if it was causing inflation...but it isnt. Prices on most items are going down. You need to provide more substancial evidence then what is basicaly some down to which is...people are making money.
Edit - sorry have to add this. I just came from teh drone regions and that is the cause of the fall of mins like Nox. you can get 400k-500k K in a couple of hours ratting. /ninja edit
Yes but when there's 75k of people doing it...
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Posted - 2008.03.30 10:10:00 -
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There's been no change to mission bounties or rewards where I am. The loot has become less and less valuable over the last six months but not significantly. I'm still earning the same with L4 as I always did (between 15 and 20 mil an hour).
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Posted - 2008.03.30 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: mishkof
What I dont understand is the people who cry to nerf missions...
You dont do missions. The Carebears that do them have no effect on you what so ever. Most of them dont PVP, trade or do anything that would threaten anything you do in eve. (At least the hardcore mission runners)
I just dont get people who just want to **** on anothers good time.
It's not about stepping on other people's good time, it's about balance.
It's that out of all the options available to effortlessly grind ISK, Missionrunning by far exceeds them all.
and please don't think that missions are ONLY run by carebears/people who never PvP. You'd be suprised at just how many PvPers get their funding by missionrunning.
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Posted - 2008.03.30 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: mishkof
What I dont understand is the people who cry to nerf missions...
You dont do missions. The Carebears that do them have no effect on you what so ever. Most of them dont PVP, trade or do anything that would threaten anything you do in eve. (At least the hardcore mission runners)
I just dont get people who just want to **** on anothers good time.
I have highlighted the wrongest thing in your post. Because it's completely wrong. So very, very wrong.
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Posted - 2008.03.30 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
I've run missions in a Raven quite extensively (standing with RSS is now like 9.5) since January and have not experienced a perceptible drop in either loot value or missions payouts since then. If someone has objective data supporting an overall drop in mission ISK gain I'd love to see it, and would gladly change my opinion on the subject henceforth.
I have seen a drop in mission loot , but it started in december , apart from getting less decent loot I have not seen certain missions like Angel Extraveganza since
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Ioci
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Posted - 2008.03.30 12:08:00 -
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I haven't noticed any difference in missions but they flucuate so much, I couldn't notice if I wanted to. My level 3 agent gives missions any where from 150K to 600K add bonus. The bounites are cruiser on those and are similar to .4 sec rats.
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Posted - 2008.03.30 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Night
And missions, if anything, need to be nerfed more. I have never run a level 4 mission in my life, and have mostly stayed in high sec and I ahve plenty of money. Quit whining.
Way to justify why missions needs to be nerfed more. 
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Porsches
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Posted - 2008.03.30 12:21:00 -
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Missions were nerfed.
No more rare spawns like Domination bosses etc either. Most loot in cans is useless of almost no value.
Several missions dont even get to have bounties, waste of ammo and time.
For a player using t2 gear theres almost no point in running missions.
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Posted - 2008.03.30 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Judge Ment on 30/03/2008 17:32:17
Your all to much = And CCP Is full of CRAP TOO!
First off: I might be a carebear and PVP. Hell I done both sense I started CCP. From the beginning I lived in 0.0 creating my market. Then Joining Imperium to fight in Fleet battles. Then I decided enough of this lag I want something more from this game - I created a Account K Rose - A Industrial, Manufacture - Science CEO.
Second off: All you mutts sit on the forum and cry about how bad things are with ISK Sellers and Macro Miners, When CCP Already new that there was a problem.
Note: Most working people pay for isk because CCP Forgets that - Takes tme to make isk -
Third most thing to remember: John Joe, It takes a lot of isk to PVP. So yes most PVPers have a CAREBEAR Account!
Last: the Grubbing CEO that farm their people don't really split the correct amount - this leaving most PVP people to run them Carebear accounts..
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Judge Ment
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
Aeon Group Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.30 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Legio Praetor
Originally by: Silver Night
And missions, if anything, need to be nerfed more. I have never run a level 4 mission in my life, and have mostly stayed in high sec and I ahve plenty of money. Quit whining.
Way to justify why missions needs to be nerfed more.
Well ya NOOB, you must be the kinda person to mine your isk. Or maybe that guy who thinks he a pirate. Or maybe your just kinda person who just forum TROLL.
These are the idiots we don't need controlling the game! People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Or we should just find anohter game to waste our money on each month.
screw you mate!
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Posted - 2008.03.30 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rabbitgod on 30/03/2008 18:50:12
I made 1.4bil in just about a month of LV4 mission running. So my only comments are these.
A) Your doing it wrong.
B) Nerf Missions - no more high sec LV4 agents.
C) If your are clearing 1.4bil a month but your expenses are so high that you feel poor then get your expenses under control because your doing that wrong.
D) If you are making and banking most of the 1.4bil but are unhappy because you want that shiny officer fitted Rattlesnake or Nightmare, tough. Besides your don't want those ships you'll just become a big target and lose them. How do I know? Because writing, even if it is just here on EvE-O, is a window into the soul and I can see in you is a shed full of dull and rusty tools.
This doesn't apply only to the OP it applies to anyone that supports her views.
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Judge Ment
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Posted - 2008.03.30 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rabbitgod
Edited by: Rabbitgod on 30/03/2008 18:50:12
I made 1.4bil in just about a month of LV4 mission running. So my only comments are these.
A) Your doing it wrong.
B) Nerf Missions - no more high sec LV4 agents.
C) If your are clearing 1.4bil a month but your expenses are so high that you feel poor then get your expenses under control because your doing that wrong.
D) If you are making and banking most of the 1.4bil but are unhappy because you want that shiny officer fitted Rattlesnake or Nightmare, tough. Besides your don't want those ships you'll just become a big target and lose them. How do I know? Because writing, even if it is just here on EvE-O, is a window into the soul and I can see in you is a shed full of dull and rusty tools.
This doesn't apply only to the OP it applies to anyone that supports her views.
I Can make 3 billion mining in empire, then building some ships "selling them in rens" in about a week.
WHAT THE **** IS YOUR POINT?
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Judge Ment
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
Aeon Group Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.30 19:07:00 -
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I think PEOPLE are missing the point what OP is saying. EVE is attacking missions people by decreasing the payments in Bounties and Loot. The Timetable that it takes to make enough isk to stay a float is CRAZY.
Point is logical
On CCP side I can agree that GTC might be the reason for HUGE concern. Which falls under the ISK Farmers who don't pay for the game.
Same reason why they NERF the carrier, OR At least they didn't admit to them reason.
Im coming close to giving it up! tbh
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Plib
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.30 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bimjo
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
I've run missions in a Raven quite extensively (standing with RSS is now like 9.5) since January and have not experienced a perceptible drop in either loot value or missions payouts since then. If someone has objective data supporting an overall drop in mission ISK gain I'd love to see it, and would gladly change my opinion on the subject henceforth.
I have seen a drop in mission loot , but it started in december , apart from getting less decent loot I have not seen certain missions like Angel Extraveganza since
Yah, December at least. It used to be worth checking the loot before putting it in the reproc container but I gave that up earlier this year. If it's not a really obvious named item it goes in the junk pile now.
On the plus side it seems to have pushed even more mission runners into selling stuff on the market and a lot of them don't seem to have a clue what the mineral value is 
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Gracious NightAngel
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Posted - 2008.03.30 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Plib
Originally by: Bimjo
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
I've run missions in a Raven quite extensively (standing with RSS is now like 9.5) since January and have not experienced a perceptible drop in either loot value or missions payouts since then. If someone has objective data supporting an overall drop in mission ISK gain I'd love to see it, and would gladly change my opinion on the subject henceforth.
I have seen a drop in mission loot , but it started in december , apart from getting less decent loot I have not seen certain missions like Angel Extraveganza since
Yah, December at least. It used to be worth checking the loot before putting it in the reproc container but I gave that up earlier this year. If it's not a really obvious named item it goes in the junk pile now.
On the plus side it seems to have pushed even more mission runners into selling stuff on the market and a lot of them don't seem to have a clue what the mineral value is
There are market bots to stop you from doing this! BTW
Nice IDea I tried it, You might make some isk but would take ALONG time to make anything usefull of it 
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Reven Darklight
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Posted - 2008.03.31 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Judge Ment
Point is logical
On CCP side I can agree that GTC might be the reason for HUGE concern. Which falls under the ISK Farmers who don't pay for the game.
i disagree with this part of your post, I play this game via GTCs, i have 2 accts and spend what ever i spend on GTCs. But somebody buys those GTCS so the end result is CCP still get money for my accts, they just aren't getting it from me and they probable aren't getting as much as I would pay for them. But they are getting paid
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Judge Ment
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
Aeon Group Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.31 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Darklight
Originally by: Judge Ment
Point is logical
On CCP side I can agree that GTC might be the reason for HUGE concern. Which falls under the ISK Farmers who don't pay for the game.
i disagree with this part of your post, I play this game via GTCs, i have 2 accts and spend what ever i spend on GTCs. But somebody buys those GTCS so the end result is CCP still get money for my accts, they just aren't getting it from me and they probable aren't getting as much as I would pay for them. But they are getting paid
Food for thought "How many hrs do you spend playing a day"
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Zifrian
Gallente Federal Bank
Interstellar Corporate Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.31 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Zifrian on 31/03/2008 02:45:17
I just want the standings for JC's and to use the LP store eventually. I could really care less about the isk reward. It's nice but I could make more with exploration or mining/industry probably. Running missions gets pretty gd boring honestly. I wish I could do them faster but that's because my skills suck heh.
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Blood Daemon
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.31 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Elderly people can't use computers any one who says otherwise is crazy
QFT...
Imagine an elderly person with shakes... happily missions away in high sec, making millions of isk in his faction fitted navy raven.. decides to buy a full set of snake implants which depletes his isk to 100,000.00, then decides to make a new home, sets waypoint and see's it has 1 low sec system enroute.. not that big a deal just 1 jump...
He jumps through only to be faced with a large gatecamp..  ..
(P.S. sorry for my dark humor
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.03.31 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Daemon
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Elderly people can't use computers any one who says otherwise is crazy
QFT...
Imagine an elderly person with shakes... happily missions away in high sec, making millions of isk in his faction fitted navy raven.. decides to buy a full set of snake implants which depletes his isk to 100,000.00, then decides to make a new home, sets waypoint and see's it has 1 low sec system enroute.. not that big a deal just 1 jump...
He jumps through only to be faced with a large gatecamp.. ..
(P.S. sorry for my dark humor
I have vent of this very thing. It's more upsetting than it is funny.
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Marlona Sky
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Posted - 2008.03.31 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: mishkof
What I dont understand is the people who cry to nerf missions...
You dont do missions. The Carebears that do them have no effect on you what so ever. Most of them dont PVP, trade or do anything that would threaten anything you do in eve. (At least the hardcore mission runners)
I just dont get people who just want to **** on anothers good time.
Jealousy maybe? Such is life. You will always have people who want what you have worked hard for. Why should they bust their ass to get these items when they can just kick back and wait to high sec gank you and viola, what was once yours that you worked hard to get, is now theirs for hardly working.
But its ok, you can cash in your kill rights to get back at them and get even!... er... wait, guess I was mistaken. 
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that... er, wait... no you can't!
Remove insurance payout for being Concorded!!!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.31 04:45:00 -
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lv4s seemed fine last i ran them
10.0 cpf standing ftw!
too bad concord doesn't like me
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.31 04:54:00 -
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I got Guristas Extravaganza yesterday with a qual:18 Level 4 agent but turned it down since I've heard bad things. It's the first ____________ Extravaganza I ever remember getting. It would have yielded about 4200 LPs but whatever. As it turns out turning it down was a good move, since I got "The Assault" next, which also gives around 4200 LPs. The Assault can be completed in less than 20 minutes with a standard Raven.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.31 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 31/03/2008 04:56:09
I got Guristas Extravaganza yesterday with a qual:18 Level 4 agent but turned it down since I've heard bad things. It's the first ____________ Extravaganza I ever remember getting. It would have yielded about 4200 LPs but whatever. As it turns out turning it down was a good move, since I got "The Assault" next, which also gives around 4200 LPs. The Assault can be completed in less than 20 minutes with a standard Raven (but that's assuming you skip the first two rooms, which leaves at least 30 mil in bounty and salvage behind.) I guess I've found that LPs are more valuable to me.
edit: this post was in response to the other post that stated a lack of _____ Extravaganza missions (maybe they were lessened in frequency; I'm only speaking from limited personal experience), but my connection is acting up and it's taking forever to copy a quote and transfer it.
guristas extra is rather easy
and damn, never knew you could do the assault that way, i likes the 30mil bounty/salvage 
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Marcus TheMartin
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.03.31 05:39:00 -
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HOW DARE MY EASY MONEY GET NERFED
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.03.31 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
HOW DARE MY EASY MONEY GET NERFED
HOW DARE I GET CALLED FOR MY OBVIOUS TROLLING AND IGNORANCE OF DIFFERING OPINIONS!
There's a reason I try to avoid posting in threads like these - it's like two brick walls arguing with each other
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Marcus TheMartin
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.03.31 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 31/03/2008 05:54:14
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
HOW DARE MY EASY MONEY GET NERFED
HOW DARE I GET CALLED FOR MY OBVIOUS TROLLING AND IGNORANCE OF DIFFERING OPINIONS!
There's a reason I try to avoid posting in threads like these - it's like two brick walls arguing with each other
I'm sorry you'd just think training up large guns/ cruise missiles and getting a bs and just grinding with tons of guides out there to tell you exactly what you need to do, fit, loot and assests readily available at every turn in the event you reach the one thing that will get you killed (lag). . . nah thats not easy I'm crazy
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.31 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 31/03/2008 06:02:19
According to Eve-mon and the in-game market I have nearly 800 million ISK worth of skills I've yet to purchase before I'm ready for a carrier, and then of course it'll be another 800 mil for an Archon (or more if I decide to go with a Thanatos instead... because tbh I really like the Moros and despise the Revelation and I don't want to have to train two races' BSs to 5 if I decide to be ready for both carriers AND dreads)..... so I guess what I'm saying is "please CCP don't nerf my missions too hard before about mid-July kthxmuch
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2008.03.31 07:48:00 -
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What is this thread about?
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Blood Daemon
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zaqar
What is this thread about?
I dunno
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Tarminic
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Posted - 2008.03.31 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zaqar
What is this thread about?
How not to post.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2008.03.31 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Daemon
Originally by: Zaqar
What is this thread about?
I dunno
What's really kind of funny is that it's part 2 of something.
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astowv
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Posted - 2008.03.31 22:14:00 -
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People should be able to get missions to kill another player. BUT, that player should be working for a enemy faction. ie. I get a mission to kill some git working for the gallente federation.
SEXY :D
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Tarminic
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Posted - 2008.03.31 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
Originally by: Blood Daemon
Originally by: Zaqar
What is this thread about?
I dunno
What's really kind of funny is that it's part 2 of something.
Especially considering that he didn't list part 1 and only typed a couple hundred characters.
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Victor Forge
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Posted - 2008.03.31 22:20:00 -
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I think the Op moved his moved his / her chosen mission hub from a security 0.5-0.6 system to a system with 0.9-1.0 security. As I understand the payout will be worse then for missions of same quality and lvl.
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