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Judge Ment	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:10:00 - [1] I'm not going to talk smack against the game I like. But here are some of the reasons why I like EVE. Allows me and the wife to spend time together in game. Not much different from sitting down and play card game! I Have made good friends all over the world, Even some close to my own homelands. Biggest one "Child hood dream" - of what hollywood has created in my head. Fly the big ships Being a Adult: Game give me time to be the father I am. Without sitting at the computer all day. While training my account These are just some of the reason why I play the game. TBH I have way more reason why I could leave this game. But I think the good ideas keep me here
Sanzorz	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:15:00 - [2] I like EVE mostly due to flexible gametime. You can decide for yourself when to play, only to log in once in a while to set another skill until you have spare time to actually play. The EVE world is much more different. Most mmo and the alike is bound to be slashing and magic worlds. The Market in EVE. A bit confusing at start, but much better than most other games.
Varick Horden	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:15:00 - [3] I kind of love and hate Eve, I have played for years and now having a fresh start after alittle time out. Eve has given me friends from accross the world with the same intrests as me. The game is so addictive, even while having time off I was thining about eve. Bad points= too damn addictive.
Dirk Magnum	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:16:00 - [4] Contempt, mainly. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:32:00 - [5] Hmmm, what keeps me paying my 4 subs. Its a hobby I guess. It's been good fun running my own pen n paper corp made up of myself. Noone ever whines on mining ops or has to drop out of a small roaming gang cause his mom got home and wants to use the computer when its time to pew pew. Plus the biggest draw to keep me here is the fact that all other ships are actual players and not a bunch of scripted npc like in the game X3. It's simply the best sandbox style game I've ever played with only your own limits limiting you in the majority of cases. Long Live Eve! Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
Linn Zypher	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:44:00 - [6] Just cancelled my 6 accounts. Eve is too much of a time sink. And CCP are a bunch of hypocrits anyway.
Lord Haur Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Linn Zypher Just cancelled my 6 accounts. Eve is too much of a time sink. And CCP are a bunch of hypocrits anyway. stuff pls
Sereifex Daku Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:50:00 - [8] I stay with EVE because it is the only MMORPG that has any friggin depth. Player owned systems, politics, a realistic economy, FREE EXPANSIONS (each with a kickass video) and the great graphics.
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Lord Haur Originally by: Linn Zypher Just cancelled my 6 accounts. Eve is too much of a time sink. And CCP are a bunch of hypocrits anyway. stuff pls Maybe he has a spare sarcasm detector I. Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
Miki Fin Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:51:00 - [10] Because jumpgate evolution hasn't been released yet.
Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate Aeon Group Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Linn Zypher Just cancelled my 6 accounts. Eve is too much of a time sink. And CCP are a bunch of hypocrits anyway. You're not the only one with multiple accounts! Make sure to set along skill (ANYWAYS GOOD LUCK)
Komen Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:57:00 - [12] Because I haven't found an MMO I like better. Eve has problems, but it's got some really really good parts, too. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Rhaegor Stormborn Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:04:00 - [13] The depth of the game. The time commitment and investment it takes to build an empire. The risks involved and the political drama. That is why I stay. The things I hate are the lag, the bugs, the tediousness, jump bridges, capital blobs, POS life and POS warfare. Meh. The good out weighs the bad I guess cause I still love the game and play it every single day. Volition Cult Recruitment Post
Andrue	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:08:00 - [14] I have several friends in-game. It also gives me an excuse to tell people how stupid they've been without having to be subtle and polite. Lastly after 4+ years I'm just too interested in seeing where the game is going next. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Lithalnas	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:08:00 - [15] i can greif people and get hatemail, then not get banned. ------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. fixed for greater eve content
Face Palmer	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:11:00 - [16] Well I used to love Elite way back on the old BBC Micro - nuff said.
Tippia	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Face Palmer Well I used to love Elite way back on the old BBC Micro - nuff said. More or less...
Riho	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:21:00 - [18] i love that i dont have to play 23h a day to get somewhere in this game. industry makes good isk and 2 hours a day is enough to not worry about pvp ships :=) skills train offline :) ---------------------------------- MY VIEW ARE MY OWN, I DON'T REPRESENT MY CORPORATIONS VIEWS HERE... stop mailing me.. plz
Lt Angus	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:23:00 - [19] BEST GAME EVER Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Nynaeve Ares	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:36:00 - [20]
Jin Gle	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:36:00 - [21] jumpgate evolution isn't really comparable to EVE is it? Space Lion
Mirph	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:38:00 - [22] I hate EVE tbh, its utterly boring and repetitive now.. however... I can't stop myself logging on everyday :< Happy to be miserable!
Barbelo Valentinian	Posted - 2008.03.30 20:04:00 - [23] I haven't been playing for long, but I've unsubbed twice already, and come back twice. Reasons I've left: 1) Lots of boredom for a newbie, nothing much to do for a casual solo player except mission run or mine. This isn't much different from other MMOs, but the skeletal nature of this mechanic shows up more clearly when your brain isn't fooled into thinking you're travelling through pretty countryside, and you feel you're just lost in a vast, largely empty space; and 2) The schoolyard bully/griefer's paradise atmosphere the combat mechanics encourage, which is profoundly immersion-breaking. Instead of feeling like I'm in a vast universe with other immortal pod pilots, I'm acutely aware that I'm in a game and that there are, unfortunately, all-too-real spotty youths at the other end of the smacktalk. 3) Again, because of the mechanics, everything is "cheap", nothing is "precious". I totally fell in love with the game in the newbie missions, and as I ventured into the game proper each new ship was precious to me. Until I got ganked at a gatecamp in my shiny new Destroyer. I then twigged to the game mechanics, and something inexpressible was lost - ships now became disposable, no longer felt like amazing, mighty things with crews I had to keep alive. Game mechanics peeping through like this are, again, for me, immersion-breaking. The reasons I keep coming back: 1) It's the only internets spaceships MMO in town, and I actually like the universe CCP have designed, and the spaceships they've designed. I like the names of the star systems, I like the invented cultures, the history, etc., etc.; 2) It's one of the deepest and most complex games around (e.g. things like the multitude of factors involved in whether your guns hit and how you tank; the layers of skills and planning required; the fact there's always something to look forward to and plan ahead for); 3) It doesn't require me to be at the computer to progress skills (an important factor for me, as I may have days when I can't play); 4) It's the only internets spaceships MMO in town. From this the reader may gather that if there was an internets spaceships game as deep as EVE but without the (for me) immersion-breaking gankbear bias, I'd go for it like a shot. But somehow I doubt there will be for a long time. Hence, I tolerate the stuff I don't like for the sake of the stuff I do, and trust that eventually I'll be skilled enough to make the gameplay work for me the way I want it to. ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Kolwrath Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.03.30 20:14:00 - [24] For me: It's the only space MMO out there. EVE has alot of problems and the community really gets my goat alot, but where else can I go mine asteroids or blow up things in space? If Blizzard or anyone else makes a space MMO I would no doubt cancel my sub and give it a shot, and I don't think i am alone. Originally by: Chaos Space Marines Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.03.30 20:16:00 - [25] because theres nothing else like eve.
La Hafiz The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.03.30 20:20:00 - [26] Edited by: La Hafiz on 30/03/2008 20:20:05 I keep playing because of the burning desire that has been lit inside me ever since I started this game and witnessed their absolute power. Command ships. 10 days. I'm about to freak out, I can't believe I'm this close.
Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate Aeon Group Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.30 20:25:00 - [27] Originally by: La Hafiz Edited by: La Hafiz on 30/03/2008 20:20:05 I keep playing because of the burning desire that has been lit inside me ever since I started this game and witnessed their absolute power. Command ships. 10 days. I'm about to freak out, I can't believe I'm this close. Nice Job! I started with Caldari: learn to fly Hac and Command Because I don't want to be pushed in to 0.0 again, I didn't have the need to learn Dread or Carrier. So instead I learn Minmatar Ships/ now working on Amarr I believe EVE has pushed me into Amarr TBH
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2008.03.30 21:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Lord Zoran because theres nothing else like eve. And pretty much nothing else needs to be said. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Vladimir Ilych	Posted - 2008.03.30 21:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Face Palmer Well I used to love Elite way back on the old BBC Micro - nuff said. More or less... yep. thats pretty much it.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:09:00 - [30] 1) Sandbox 2) No "end game" 3) Feels Epic like a space opera 4) NPC's have minimal role in the universe 5) Ridiculously bright, creative community 6) Skill training is offline 7) Player controlled market 8) Player controlled space 9) Everybody together in 1 universe, feels like I know some of you 10) The devs are not pussies
Kvaell	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:21:00 - [31] Unlike any MMORPG I have ever tried or read about EVE is mainly focused on sound long term strategic goals and long decision making rather than tactical superiority. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. E-Peen or lack of it. Something about pew pew, I think. Terra Incognita, mare nostrum
Voodoo Dog	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:24:00 - [32] No END To the hunting and Looting....and mining
Inconstant Moon	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:31:00 - [33] Cos my subscription hasn't run out yet. -- CONCORD provides neither consequences nor safety.
iudex	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:42:00 - [34] I quit playing a while ago because i was suicide-ganked in my cnr in highsec. A game where someone can kill a ship that has equipped a tanking setup worth billions, and with this ruin another players game expirience in a non-pvp situations (no, suicideganking is not real pvp), doing this in "high security" and basically at no cost (insurance 4tw) is a game of grief - i don't want to play "grief online" anymore, so any other game i'd abandon completely. In Eve however there are GTCs. I made some calculations, and if the GTC prices stayed the same, i can pay somewhere 15 years of gametime with my assets, so there is no need to quit the game entirely, i come back here from time to time to switch skilltraining (training stupid skills with reciulous training times), until i one day simply forget about the game. I think this applies to many, if they have some decent assets, it's better to use them for GTCs and keep skilltraining instead of completely abandon the game. Would be funny to see CCP disallow isk for GTC trade - guess the subscription number would suddenly drop below 50% within 3 months _________________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.50 // Angel Cartel +7.17 // Minmatar Republic -8.49 // Gallente Federation -9.43
Erotic Irony	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:46:00 - [35] Quote: Why do you stay with EVE? Originally by: iudex I quit playing a while ago because i was suicide-ganked in my cnr in highsec. A game where someone can kill a ship that has equipped a tanking setup worth billions, and with this ruin another players game expirience in a non-pvp situations (no, suicideganking is not real pvp), doing this in "high security" and basically at no cost (insurance 4tw) is a game of grief - i don't want to play "grief online" anymore, so any other game i'd abandon completely. and there you have it, the rage says it all now how I mine fish? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:57:00 - [36] Originally by: iudex I quit playing a while ago because i was suicide-ganked in my cnr in highsec. A game where someone can kill a ship that has equipped a tanking setup worth billions, and with this ruin another players game expirience in a non-pvp situations (no, suicideganking is not real pvp), doing this in "high security" and basically at no cost (insurance 4tw) is a game of grief - i don't want to play "grief online" anymore, so any other game i'd abandon completely. This is another reason I have stuck with Eve over the years. Seeing Darwin work his evolutionary magic in realtime is priceless. Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
Barbelo Valentinian	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:38:00 - [37] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: iudex I quit playing a while ago because i was suicide-ganked in my cnr in highsec. A game where someone can kill a ship that has equipped a tanking setup worth billions, and with this ruin another players game expirience in a non-pvp situations (no, suicideganking is not real pvp), doing this in "high security" and basically at no cost (insurance 4tw) is a game of grief - i don't want to play "grief online" anymore, so any other game i'd abandon completely. This is another reason I have stuck with Eve over the years. Seeing Darwin work his evolutionary magic in realtime is priceless. You must be joking. EVE does not model Darwinian evolution. If the game was truly Darwinian, griefing would have long ago become as relatively rare in-game as it is in real life. But it can't because potential Darwinian mechanisms by which players might be able to stop griefing themselves are disallowed, and this disallowing is the very means by which CCP captures some of the market that other games reject. EVE is a griefer's paradise by design, because CCP are smart and have found a niche for the kinds of players other games reject. The rest of the players either tolerate this situation for the sake of the rest of the benefits of the game, or leave. ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Aero089	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:35:00 - [38] I have a corp to look after. Other than that I don't really feel like logging in much these days. --- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Nyabinghi Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.31 04:17:00 - [39] Waiting for Jumpgate Evo. ***
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.31 04:21:00 - [40] Edited by: Zeba on 31/03/2008 04:21:37 Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Originally by: Zeba This is another reason I have stuck with Eve over the years. Seeing Darwin work his evolutionary magic in realtime is priceless. You must be joking. EVE does not model Darwinian evolution. If the game was truly Darwinian, griefing would have long ago become as relatively rare in-game as it is in real life. But it can't because potential Darwinian mechanisms by which players might be able to stop griefing themselves are disallowed, and this disallowing is the very means by which CCP captures some of the market that other games reject. EVE is a griefer's paradise by design, because CCP are smart and have found a niche for the kinds of players other games reject. The rest of the players either tolerate this situation for the sake of the rest of the benefits of the game, or leave. I call bull**. Only the strong survive here. The weak come and cry on the forums looking for someone else to solve their problems for them instead of using thier God given grey matter to figure it out by themself. Originally by:** Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
1717 A Dark Cloud Unaffiliated	Posted - 2008.03.31 04:54:00 - [41] Risk. I just about lost every penny I owned when my Hurricane was destroyed today by hostiles while trying to defend an alliance member. What other mmo makes you really lose stuff? Eve has a ****load worth of problems (many more than other mmo's in my opinion). But while this is true, it's only because it's the most expansive/deep/freakin awesome one out there, and that's a fair tradeoff in my opinion :). keep it up ccp eve-online.com
Segge Bolled	Posted - 2008.03.31 05:14:00 - [42] I think they put something in the water. The following statements probably represent the opinions of an individual and not necessarily those of their corporation or alliance - just in case you forgot to c/p the signature.
Zorai Miraden	Posted - 2008.03.31 06:00:00 - [43] No level grinding. Play as often as I want and get a coninuingly more flexible if not more powerful char. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Recruitment Thread EKT Website
Vincent Constantine	Posted - 2008.03.31 06:41:00 - [44] No level grinding at all. In WoW, 10 people with lvl 10 cant take out a lvl 60, while in EvE 10 people in a frigate with pretty noob skills can take out a BS.
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.03.31 08:19:00 - [45] If you put billions worth of mods on your ship of course you're gonna get mugged, DUH. Eve rule #1 : Fly only what you don't mind losing.
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.03.31 08:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Zeba Only the strong survive here. The weak cry on the forums looking for someone else to solve their problems Bingo.
Andrue	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Zeba Only the strong survive here. The weak cry on the forums looking for someone else to solve their problems Bingo. Tbh that happens in real-life as well. The difference is that you have to care in RL because it matters. In Eve I can allow myself to not give a stuff -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Riho	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:05:00 - [48] Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Originally by: Zeba Originally by: iudex I quit playing a while ago because i was suicide-ganked in my cnr in highsec. A game where someone can kill a ship that has equipped a tanking setup worth billions, and with this ruin another players game expirience in a non-pvp situations (no, suicideganking is not real pvp), doing this in "high security" and basically at no cost (insurance 4tw) is a game of grief - i don't want to play "grief online" anymore, so any other game i'd abandon completely. This is another reason I have stuck with Eve over the years. Seeing Darwin work his evolutionary magic in realtime is priceless. You must be joking. EVE does not model Darwinian evolution. If the game was truly Darwinian, griefing would have long ago become as relatively rare in-game as it is in real life. But it can't because potential Darwinian mechanisms by which players might be able to stop griefing themselves are disallowed, and this disallowing is the very means by which CCP captures some of the market that other games reject. EVE is a griefer's paradise by design, because CCP are smart and have found a niche for the kinds of players other games reject. The rest of the players either tolerate this situation for the sake of the rest of the benefits of the game, or leave. lets put it like this: you put 10 million dollars worth of jewelry (spelling ?!?!) on and you go to a dark ally way.... will all the "bad" people look at you say.. no... we wount do a thing about it. 10 isk says you will be mugged whit in 1 minute :P eve is like a dark ally... if you are stupid enough to spend BILLIONS on one ship and expect others not do a thing about it.. you are wrong. btw i dont get the super faction fitted CNR crap anyways.... atm i use a normal raven whit t2 gear and i sofar havent met any mission i cant do... never have to jump out either Stupid and Weak will die (or whine on the forums :P), Strong will reap the rewards by killing the stupid and weak. if you want a fluffy game... then this game isnt for you. ---------------------------------- MY VIEW ARE MY OWN, I DON'T REPRESENT MY CORPORATIONS VIEWS HERE... stop mailing me.. plz
Uzuness	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:12:00 - [49] I don't know why I stay.. I play for about 30 minutes a week, total. Don't do much when I do log in, just chat with corp. mates and what not. Guess I just feel like I got to much time and money put into my little noob.
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:25:00 - [50] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Contempt, mainly. I condone and add the great forum debates. Oh lordy double pepperoni pizza bottom why are my farts lumpy ?
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Originally by: Zeba Originally by: iudex I quit playing a while ago because i was suicide-ganked in my cnr in highsec. A game where someone can kill a ship that has equipped a tanking setup worth billions, and with this ruin another players game expirience in a non-pvp situations (no, suicideganking is not real pvp), doing this in "high security" and basically at no cost (insurance 4tw) is a game of grief - i don't want to play "grief online" anymore, so any other game i'd abandon completely. This is another reason I have stuck with Eve over the years. Seeing Darwin work his evolutionary magic in realtime is priceless. You must be joking. EVE does not model Darwinian evolution. If the game was truly Darwinian, griefing would have long ago become as relatively rare in-game as it is in real life. But it can't because potential Darwinian mechanisms by which players might be able to stop griefing themselves are disallowed, and this disallowing is the very means by which CCP captures some of the market that other games reject. EVE is a griefer's paradise by design, because CCP are smart and have found a niche for the kinds of players other games reject. The rest of the players either tolerate this situation for the sake of the rest of the benefits of the game, or leave. Fraid he is kinda right peeps, the strong survive and the weak get ass fondled
iudex Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:35:00 - [52] Originally by: Riho lets put it like this: you put 10 million dollars worth of jewelry (spelling ?!?!) on and you go to a dark ally way.... will all the "bad" people look at you say.. no... we wount do a thing about it. 10 isk says you will be mugged whit in 1 minute :P eve is like a dark ally... if you are stupid enough to spend BILLIONS on one ship and expect others not do a thing about it.. you are wrong. btw i dont get the super faction fitted CNR crap anyways.... atm i use a normal raven whit t2 gear and i sofar havent met any mission i cant do... never have to jump out either Stupid and Weak will die (or whine on the forums :P), Strong will reap the rewards by killing the stupid and weak. if you want a fluffy game... then this game isnt for you. Barbelo Valentinian has a strong point, suicideganking happens because of an unnatural/superficial game mechanics, allowing to do it at almost no cost. Ship and module prices have dropped, ccp failed to adjust the insurance prices. Thats why you can grief without paying the proper price or taking the proper risk - and this is simply broken game mechanics, not toughness by someone. So your rl comparison makes no sense, if they come to shoot you in rl, they risk something, here they don't risk anything, the insurance company has all the risk. And since you think you are such a clever guy as you use only t2 mods and im a dumbo for using a billion setup, let me give you some inside information (i'd not give it if i'd still do missions, but since i quit, i don't care about it anymore): I had to pay so much in order to have a permatanked cnr which was able to tank anything lvl4s can offer and having a huge dps, which is best achieved with a gist tank + 4 faction bcu + 7 faction launchers. Why permatank ? I did all my missions almost afk with fof cruise missiles. Reading books, working on pc, looking on screen every 3 minutes to press f1-f7. I'd not do a singel mission if i really had to do it, only did it because that was almost 0 work, and with that setup even more isk/h than a usual t2 raven (e.g. gurista ev in under 1h with fofs). And i only did the best missions, rejected all the rest, keeping the agent with faction standing (faction standing hits when rejecting missions are tiny, can repair few hundreds with 1 combat storyline). So basically i was making billions of isk without spending any extra time or effort for this, while you poor guy have to do them manually for less isk. So in terms of gaining isk, think again if it was really that stupid. However, it's not that much fun to play the pve side of eve tbh, ok maybe its nice to have some spare capital ships and mothership bpos and such, but its getting boring with time, you cant do much with isk outside pvp in eve. So i'd leave much earlier if i hadn't that afk missionrunning ship, and in my case ccp didn't lose a subscriber, as long as there are GTCs for isk. But not everyone has gathered so much assets, people who are mining in their exhumers, or missionrunners in their first cnrs, that are the real victims of that suicide madness, and it has nothing to do with evolution if a 'tard kills a mining ship because of a broken insurance system. It is simply broken game mechanics, that ****** would not make it far in rl and his line of evolution would quickly come to an end (have a look at jihad terrorists & other criminals - not very effective in terms of evolution, don't you think ?). However, i apologize for typing so much offtopic here, that issues have been discussed in other threads. For this topic i can only say: i (and some others) simply don't quit because of GTCs for isk + offline skilltraining, you don't have to play the game at all to play eve. _________________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.50 // Angel Cartel +7.17 // Minmatar Republic -8.49 // Gallente Federation -9.43
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Reavers.	Posted - 2008.03.31 11:32:00 - [53] My SP's keep going up even thou while I'm in toilet reading bad magazines. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Terry Knipe Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.31 11:36:00 - [54] My OCD mostly. I have to dock and undock 5 times before I go anywhere. meh
Muscaat Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.31 11:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Face Palmer Well I used to love Elite way back on the old BBC Micro - nuff said. Exactly this (though I preferred Frontier...)
Lucia Warbler Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.31 11:55:00 - [56] Oh dear. That other spaceship MMO is going to hit Eve hard. Reasons why I'm here: 1) Market is nice 2) It works, mostly 3) Spaceships are shiny 4) They promised that I'd be able to walk one day 5) Players, so many players (and most of them adult) Things I don't fancy that much: 1) Nerfbat 2) Favourism 3) Human nature at its worse (intended game feature?)
MACCHES	Posted - 2008.03.31 12:03:00 - [57] Horray! A Happy EVE Thread! 1. Offline skills. I've never been one for farming boars.. And I look like a pillock with a cloak, thigh high magic boots and a wand of infinite sparkles. 2. The ships look brilliant. I love how each faction has a defined characteristic, and that all those characteristics have a suitable counter. 3. As a fan of Sci-Fi, there are few other viable spaceship options. 4. I needed something suitably gritty to lure me away from planetside, plus something easier on the wrists. 5. Sandbox(-ish) content allows us all to get on with it. Sure, most of us pick exactly the same path to begin with, but EVEs open enough to create influence for new ingenius or equally devious methods of play to come into fruition. Yes, it can be abit repetitive at times. But that isn't the fault of EVE, but me as a player. You get out what you put in, which is why I sub --------------------------- Insert Pirate-themed remark
Cyxopyc	Posted - 2008.03.31 12:07:00 - [58] EVE has many things no other MMORG has. 1. Everyone plays in the same universe/server. 2. CCP is smallish, not a Sony or a Blizzard. A plus for me. 3. You get to fly around in space in space ships. Space rocks. 4. You and your friends could take over the known universe, minus Empire systems. Not likely of course. 5. In a relatively short period of time you can meaningfully contribute to game play with veteran players. Between first day in game and 6 months, depending... 6. A significant amount of a players 'skill' comes from what they know about EVE, not how many experience points or phat lewtz they have. 7. The drama. 8. The lack of little kiddies. Yes we have many but not like other games. 9. EVE needs lots of improvements and someone has to keep telling CCP about it. The youeee! The lag! == Support fixing the EVE UI
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.31 12:10:00 - [59] Originally by: Muscaat Originally by: Face Palmer Well I used to love Elite way back on the old BBC Micro - nuff said. Exactly this (though I preferred Frontier...) Yes, it was a better game for sure (being a sequel) but Elite was first and had that 'wire-frame nostalalgia of win' feel. Damn, how sad (and old) so you have to be to get dewy-eyed over a video game!
Norjia Blacksteel	Posted - 2008.03.31 12:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Cyxopyc 2. CCP is smallish, not a Sony or a Blizzard. A plus for me. Blizzard isn't really that big... Starcraft II has had a team of 40 working on it since 2003. Assassin's Creed had over 150 programmers on it for a period of time. ---- Norjia Blacksteel CEO Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Andre Marconius	Posted - 2008.03.31 13:19:00 - [61] I am staying until I have podded SK Rooster and Bolom (I'll probably be here for a looong time then )
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.03.31 13:44:00 - [62] No other decent game on the market at the moment. Still hoping either AoC or DF will be good.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.03.31 13:52:00 - [63] For EvE unique feature : Possibility of making grown mens cry over pixels. That's just priceless. -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP!
agent apple Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.31 14:02:00 - [64] Lack of alternatives, though this year that changes. Is going to be interesting to watch the outcome.
Commander Shag No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.31 14:04:00 - [65] Originally by: Andre Marconius I am staying until I have podded SK Rooster and Bolom (I'll probably be here for a looong time then ) I'll tell SK and Bolom you said hi I play for the rush of PVP mostly, but I like the fact that there's so many things to do; I can always find something that I'm in the mood for.
Rook Highwind	Posted - 2008.03.31 14:21:00 - [66] Because it's the only place where 'arms dealer', 'druglord', and 'respected pillar of the community' aren't mutually exclusive career choices A little more seriously, I stick around 'cause I know it's one of the few MMOs where I'll reach an established endpoint after having put in massive amounts of time, effort, and money, sit back and think "Well, that was bloody pointless.". Also one of the few MMOs I'll probably ever even like. ______________________________________ ~Newbing up the place since 6/12/2007~
Demtalin le'Mercennaire	Posted - 2008.03.31 15:21:00 - [67] Edited by: Demtalin le''Mercennaire on 31/03/2008 15:21:45 Depth, Player Controled market and space, almost everything influenced by players, in game politics, skill trains while offline and over time so it doesn't matter if I don't have time to chop trees down all day. And loosing something means you really do loose it. And who doesn't like seeing big ships make big explosions. -------- Billy Jean is not my lover
Snoon	Posted - 2008.03.31 15:37:00 - [68] I think im one of the few? people that would play EVE if it wasnt really an MMO. The reason its simply the most atmospheric space game out there, and is the only game that resembles Elite from back in the day. If Elite IV ever arrives i will probably leave
James Lyrus	Posted - 2008.03.31 16:31:00 - [69] EVE is a game all about freedom. It's the freedom to choose what I do, the freedom to be good, or horrible, as I feel like. It's about the ability to build stuff, empires, corporations, alliances, outposts, supercapitals. It's about the ability to destroy the same, in a meaningful fashion. It's about 3 newbies in frigates, killing a battleship. It's about remembering that first person who ganked you, and going for some payback. It's about how everyone is in the same universe. My name is unique, what I do is unique, and your reputation and it's consequences are far reaching. It's about a real time skill system, which means you don't lose ground if you're not following the optimal grind and logging on 24 hours a day. It's about the long term politics, and territorial control - who owns what region, who's contesting it, and who's on the bandwagon for freeloading. It's about how morale, and gangs and logistics of resupply of ships, ammo and mods really matters in a conflict. It's about the pain when your new and expensive ship explodes. I started playing because I loved Elite. I keep playing because the freedom is unparalleled. So many games tell you what you 'should' be doing - leveling up, going and raiding somewhere, or battling for honour. EVE doesn't. There's some stuff to play with, and a whole bunch of evil conniving backstabbers who might betray you, gank you, or ruin your day. It's the fact that room exists to be as horrible as you can, that makes the friendships that you gain from working together so truly priceless and precious. Good and Evil are nothing if they're a flag on your character sheet, or NPCs make you do it. Politics is nothing if it's just RP, and next week nothing will have changed. I play EVE because there's literally nothing else like it. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Phil Exon	Posted - 2008.03.31 16:52:00 - [70] I mostly enjoy paying for paralizing lag and bugged game mechanics
Setana Manoro	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:17:00 - [71] Originally by: Judge Ment I'm not going to talk smack against the game I like. But here are some of the reasons why I like EVE. Allows me and the wife to spend time together in game. Not much different from sitting down and play card game! I Have made good friends all over the world, Even some close to my own homelands. Biggest one "Child hood dream" - of what hollywood has created in my head. Fly the big ships Being a Adult: Game give me time to be the father I am. Without sitting at the computer all day. While training my account These are just some of the reason why I play the game. TBH I have way more reason why I could leave this game. But I think the good ideas keep me here 2yrs ago it was 'because eve is the best mmorpg'. 1yr ago it was 'i trust ccp to be a very good company, that will fix eve'. Today, I play EVE mixture of hope and lazyness to try another mmorpg; having some good friends to talk with also is great but i can do that on YM too so i don't treat EVE like IRC with good graphics. So this would be the way that my perception of this game and company has changed. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Barbelo Valentinian	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:51:00 - [72] Originally by: Zeba I call bull***. Only the strong survive here. The weak come and cry on the forums looking for someone else to solve their problems for them instead of using thier God given grey matter to figure it out by themself. "Only the strong survive" my golden shiney ass. It's this simple: most games reject griefers and institute mechanisms to reject them - either the devs outlaw them or they allow players to prevent griefing themselves. But CCP has recognised that kind of juvenile gameplay as a largely untapped market and has instituted mechanisms by which griefers have a special home in this MMO. IOW, Griefers and gankbears are the most protected players in EVE,* much more so than carebears; without CCP's protection, in a truly Darwinian game world, that playstyle would long ago have disappeared or been minimised, because the majority of mature players hate that playstyle, because it breaks immersion (it brings one back to the real world with a jolt too much - you realise the griefer is some spotty ***head sitting at a computer instead of another immortal pod pilot). Meanwhile griefers and gankbears get to think they're being all big and brave and "Darwinian". What a bunch of chumps! Basically, they're just part of the mechanism by which CCP adds a bit more timesink to the game. I can tell you right now what the vast majority of players of EVE would prefer: they'd prefer a dangerous universe in which people took their roleplaying a bit more seriously and did proper, "duelling" style PvP more, in a more mature way. Always a risk of loss? Yes. Loss really hurting? Yes. Suicide ganking possible? Yes. All that. But an atmosphere of 12 year old schoolyard bullies? No. Not because of losing stuff or crying or "tears" or any of that bull**, but because of the break in immersion. If it was up to the vast majority of mature players in EVE, and the EVE Universe were truly* Darwinian, there would be no possibility of griefers and such even getting out of their stations. But the vast majority of players of EVE won't get their way, because this isn't truly a player-run game world, it's a gameworld in which certain kinds of playstyle are protected to maximise CCP's revenue stream from those kinds of playstyle, which happen to be playstyles that most players hate, and other MMOs outlaw, but CCP encourages. There's your "Darwinian" truth. ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Minerva Vulcan The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.03.31 18:08:00 - [73] I have nowhere else to go. :\
Jenny Spitfire LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.03.31 18:10:00 - [74] Gut gaem. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Judge Ment	Posted - 2008.03.31 19:00:00 - [75] Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Originally by: Zeba I call bull***. Only the strong survive here. The weak come and cry on the forums looking for someone else to solve their problems for them instead of using thier God given grey matter to figure it out by themself. Interesting "Could you please elaborate more" EVE has many types of players. But you seem to think there are two types of people. Trust me GOD Is pretty absent in this matter. Unless your using this statement as God Given right to figure it out for them selfs!* Could you explain in your words who the strong are in EVE. Then explain in your words who the weak are. Then explain to me why people think EVE revolves around them and their ideas!
astowv	Posted - 2008.03.31 22:19:00 - [76] Originally by: Cipher7 1) Sandbox 2) No "end game" 3) Feels Epic like a space opera 4) NPC's have minimal role in the universe 5) Ridiculously bright, creative community 6) Skill training is offline 7) Player controlled market 8) Player controlled space 9) Everybody together in 1 universe, feels like I know some of you *10) The devs are not pussies* 9 out of 10 is not bad. ---- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Red Dutchess Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.31 22:31:00 - [77] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Lord Haur Originally by: Linn Zypher Just cancelled my 6 accounts. Eve is too much of a time sink. And CCP are a bunch of hypocrits anyway. stuff pls Maybe he has a spare sarcasm detector I. I have a BPO for a sarcasm detector II if anyone wants it? Yours for 1,000,000,000,000,000 isk
Red Dutchess Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.31 22:33:00 - [78] Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: Judge Ment I'm not going to talk smack against the game I like. But here are some of the reasons why I like EVE. Allows me and the wife to spend time together in game. Not much different from sitting down and play card game! I Have made good friends all over the world, Even some close to my own homelands. Biggest one "Child hood dream" - of what hollywood has created in my head. Fly the big ships Being a Adult: Game give me time to be the father I am. Without sitting at the computer all day. While training my account These are just some of the reason why I play the game. TBH I have way more reason why I could leave this game. But I think the good ideas keep me here 2yrs ago it was 'because eve is the best mmorpg'. 1yr ago it was 'i trust ccp to be a very good company, that will fix eve'. Today, I play EVE mixture of hope and lazyness to try another mmorpg; having some good friends to talk with also is great but i can do that on YM too so i don't treat EVE like IRC with good graphics. So this would be the way that my perception of this game and company has changed. See "Second Life", "Linden Labs" and "Philip Rosedale"
Lord Rue GenX Societies Inc. Rejuvenate	Posted - 2008.03.31 22:57:00 - [79] Offline skills +++ An environment of of dangerous reality. Even in empire, death like in RL is unlikely but possible. Elite-style sandbox environment. Be a trader, merc or pirate. (bounty hunter, not so much) I just wish you could have combat ratings ala Elite. Mostly Harmless, eh? And of course: Only Internet Spaceships game choice around. ;) I'd consider another more modern one, but only if it had the same element of PVP risk and open sandbox play. Devil bunnies! I snort the nose! Lucifer! Banana!
Lurana Lay	Posted - 2008.04.01 04:17:00 - [80] Originally by: Malachon Draco No other decent (space) game market at the moment. That's about it for me. Soon as one comes out that has even the slightest bit of transparency, a professional customer service, and real and effective Dev/GM/ISD oversight...oh and no ALTS then I am gone, with a smile even.
Jade190 School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.01 04:31:00 - [81] I play eve out of habit.... nothing more. ------ Fighting stupidity since before you were stupid.
Drizit FREEDOM FIRST Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.01 05:53:00 - [82] Originally by: Linn Zypher Just cancelled my 6 accounts. Eve is too much of a time sink. And CCP are a bunch of hypocrits anyway. Must... resist... saying... Can I have your stuff? DOH! -- Freighters need a tank
Shotar Aronia Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.01 08:23:00 - [83] I play Eve for a few reason. The friends I have made. The complexity of the game keeps me thinking. The beauty of the graphics. The feeling of real loss (either dealt or received) when an expensive ship that took hours to acquire is destroyed.
Liam Fremen Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2008.04.01 09:10:00 - [84] Playing from more then 4 years, for these reasons: 1) Every mmorpg i check, try, look at seems like playing pong after playing eve. 2) The fun of the pvp: Only in eve there is so much adrenaline and risk. 3) The fact i have a crapload of friend from my same country (inside the corp i made grow and the alliance i founded) that makes me enjoy the game :) _________________________________________________
Chaosgabe TWC Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.01 10:04:00 - [85] Originally by: Liam Fremen 1) Every mmorpg i check, try, look at seems like playing pong after playing eve. This. Thats the start and the end of the whole argument, you wont find any other mmo as deep and rich as EvE is.
Charcoal	Posted - 2008.04.01 10:08:00 - [86] Why do I stay in EVE? A fine question... not sure I can put my finger on a simple answer. Some of it certainly frustrates the hell out of me, that's for sure. Off the top of my head, jump clones and gang bonuses spring to mind as the things that have ***ed me off the most - jump clones because they made the world smaller, thus ruining that feeling of remoteness that I used to have when my main was in Vale Of The Silent and the escrow that I really* wanted was in Aridia, for example. Gang bonuses because they represented yet another kick in the teeth for people who like to fly solo from time to time, which really annoyed me for a while. I got over these things. I started my first character a few months after launch, but quit again shortly afterwards and didn't get back into it until mid 2004 (one of my few regrets about my time with the game). I think I stay in EVE because there's just so much that you can do with your time logged in... Over the years I've done the 0.0 Alliance thing - both with and without territory to defend and I've fought in innumerable Empire wars. I ran missions up to level 3 for all the factions, and then revisited it to do lvl 4s once they'd been introduced. I've done inter-region trading in haulers and, latterly, freighters, and have spent time playing regional markets while parked in a station. I've been a low sec belt pirate and have been part of a small pirate hunting gang doing the opposite. I've opportunistically looted the cans from battles that I've witnessed and have waded in to lend a hand if the fancy has taken me. And, oh, so much more. I currently have a character who's experimenting with production, and I'm scouting for a moon that I can park a POS at to deliver a small profit. There are still things that I haven't really done. I don't do gate camping, for example, since it bores me to tears - whether it's in low sec, in 0.0 or in Empire as part of a war. I don't mine, either, for the same reason. (Seriously, it fascinates me that so many people can dismiss the PvE side of the game as boring whilst participating in camps at the same time, but hey, it's a personal choice thing. ;) ) There's always something you can do in EVE, no matter how grim things get. I well recall being down to less than 1m isk after a few heavy losses. The only ship I had was the newly released Cormorant and, after racking my brain to think of a way to get back on my feet, I ended up spending a few weeks trading Zydrine around the regions of the South of EVE until I had enough isk to get going again. EVE isn't perfect, by a long shot. The endless whines on this forum about nanos, suicide ganking, loot or salvage 'theft' or whatever other issue of the day exists are there for a reason. There are still a lot of things I'd like to see changed, too, but I'm reasonably confident that the dev team are aware of them and will continue to tweak the game as and when they can. To my mind, then, EVE is the best that currently exists and the sheer variety of playstyles that it facilitates means that it's usually possible to avoid the problems if you're willing to adapt. I am, and that's probably why I'm still happy to stay.
Talio ZomB Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.01 10:58:00 - [87] Hello my name is Talio ZomB and I am an eveholic lol
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.04.01 11:54:00 - [88] Good: Complex rulset Module tweaking Offline skilltraining Standings Shiny ships and stuff Reasonably mature players overall Bad: Griefers Repetetive missions General lack of solo highsec content Smacktalk --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Tate Aoko Advanced Logistics Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2008.04.01 12:55:00 - [89] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Possibility of making grown mens cry over pixels. I knew I wasn't alone sniff
Buxaroo	Posted - 2008.04.01 15:57:00 - [90] I like EVE Online for lots of reasons. Most are of the sandbox variant. PVP. In no other game is there anywhere near as much true PVP as in EVE. Everything we do is PVP-related, from the guys mining Veldspar in high sec to the hardcore killers in 0.0 politics like myself. We all take part of PVP wether we know it or not. Mostly adult community. This is not necessarily a jab at younger people, but EVE is filled with a LOT of older people. Out of all the corps and alliances I have been in, I can't remember any of them with anyone younger than 18. There are exceptions, but they are rare. This is not the type of game that kids generally get into. Takes too much time, too much effort, too much patience. And sad to say most kids nowadays don't have any patience or long term thinking or want to put much effort into anything. Space. Science Fiction. These two reasons are what initially attracted me to EVE and what will always attract me to any other MMO that comes out. I don't want ferries and dragons. I want hardcore sci-fi. Great game company. You have to admit that there just isn't that many companies that can compare to CCP. How many companies out there can you name that the devs actually talk to the players? How many devs in other companies actually listen to what people talk about? I have played quite a few MMO's in my day, not to mention other types of games, and CCP has the best attitude of any game company. To me this goes a long way. I can forgive lots of game problems if I know that the developers actually care about what they are doing and are actually trying to fix them, albiet not always perfectly. Sure there are lots of "CCP sucks, they can't fix lag!!1 WHAAH WHAAH!". But can you name another MMO where you can have 300+ slugging it out in one area and still be relatively playable? Get back to me when you can... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.04.01 17:13:00 - [91] The dwindling hope that they'll fix the things that are broken. UI, jita, skill queue, racial imbalances.... sigh - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Kirren D'marr The Elear FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.02 17:30:00 - [92] EA Games torpedoed Earth and Beyond SOE royally screwed over SWG customers. Short on options, thus I am here, for the time being. Until CCP makes a similar mistake or something better comes along perhaps.
Willoughby Dashwood The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.02 17:46:00 - [93] Originally by: Face Palmer Well I used to love Elite way back on the old BBC Micro - nuff said. Same, except for me it was Frontier: Elite II. Since then I'd longed for something like EVE...
vanBuskirk	Posted - 2008.04.02 18:36:00 - [94] buxaroo: "Hardcore sci-fi"? Don't make me laugh. The game would be a lot more believable if it was marketed as a submarine simulator. Spaceships with a maximum sensor lock range of 250km? Top speeds? Ships banking like aircraft? Deceleration if you don't keep the engine going? Planets, stations and other celestial objects that never move? Artillery weapons that hit the target instantaneously? Added to that the uncomfortable half-way house CCP has chosen - that anyone who feels like it can blow you up and suffer only minor legal consequences and virtually zero financial ones, and you only have 15 minutes to get your revenge - makes EVE much less than perfect. I can understand the physics unrealism. But I cannot understand why it makes any sort of RP sense for the insurance companies to pay out when you get blown up by the cops after committing piracy and/or murder. Talk about immersion breaking! It seems to me that CCP are deliberately, and with malice aforethought, encouraging behaviour that in any other game whatever would get one banned. As well as that, there are no consequences whatever in game for being a criminal, given the widespread use of trading alts. What could be done? Quite a few things. 1: No insurance for Concorded ships. 2. 1-week kill rights, assignable to others, for the aggrieved party in an unprovoked attack. 3. Ability to choose who one will trade with on the market and in the contract system, based on personal/corp standing and security status. 4. Known associates (alts out of RP, second account or otherwise) of low security levels share that individual's sec status. (After all, known associates of convicted criminals don't usually have a very good rep in RL.) 5. No clone contracts or docking rights in Empire for serious criminals (sec -5 or less) - anywhere in Empire. You're a pirate - deal with pirates for what you need. And pay through the nose. I am fully aware that a majority of players of EVE are not actually spotty, juvenile adolescents making up for their own insecurities by making others' lives ingame hell. However, far too many of them act like such an individual would, and CCP appear to like it that way. When another half-decent space MMORPG comes along, I'm off - unless things change a lot. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

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