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Mordred Wolf
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.15 11:12:00 -
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It is really quite simple, anytime you want to help someone, be in control and send the invites out. I don't know why people struggle with thie concept. Reject invites and issue your own invite. How hard can this be?
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Nielas
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
EvE is meant to be set in a considerably more violent and corrupt society than the one we live in. Even a system in 1.0 space might have dozens of heavily armed persons with a history of criminal violence in it. Open fighting between parties who haven't paid off the cops will draw an armed response but that's about it.
The EVE universe is also much more illogical than ours.
It has cops who are violent and ruthless enough to blow out of the sky anyone who fires a shot without a waning or trying to arrest them. At the same time they will let obvious accomplices roam around a crime scene freely and let them profit from the proceeds of a crime.
At the same time the cops are apparently corrupt enough to let people fight it out if the proper paperwork was field and fees were paid but not enough to 'impound' wrecks of ships and use the contents to finance the Concord Retirement Fund.
There are jsut simply massive gaping holes in logic in how the system behaves.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.04.19 16:24:00 -
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oh pvp is optional? brb turning it off while i haul billions in an exequror Trashed sig, Shark was here |

Efdi
Minmatar Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.04.19 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Efdi on 19/04/2008 16:58:11
Originally by: SiJira oh pvp is optional? brb turning it off while i haul billions in an exequror
Just get off a ban or something? You have the last post in like every thread on the front page.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2008.04.19 17:21:00 -
[215]
ha, ha... God i love this game!
Bro.... life sucks!
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Beirut Papa
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Posted - 2008.05.22 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Beirut Papa on 22/05/2008 17:03:33 Umm, last I checked, engaging in combat with another corp even while being in there gang without a war dec in high sec without concord's intervention I would say is a failure in game mechanics. Dont know how many times I've seen fleet members from other corps get concorded for shooting another fleet member... So if this is not a game mechanic failure then I know alot of ppl that would like to be refunded for losing ships to concord. And no one can say game mechanic failures dont happen because they do, how else can you explain how someone with a -4.0 security status get through two 0.7 sytems and into a 0.8 system with a nighthawk without getting warp scramb or even shot at by concord? and then make it out... lol... well, I can tell you making it out was the hard part lol... happend before with a worse sec status and was able to go deep into highsec before caldari police intervention... I even have screen shots of a carrier in nonni with fighters out, explain to me how a carrier got into a 0.5 system... Mechanic Failure? lol... Well, lets just say that even when something is found and finger'd by a subscribed player CCP's GM's very rarely take anyone seriously and are very lil help... The best is when you talk with a GM that does'nt even know what he's talking about... lol
All I can say bro is that it sux you lost a dust collecting parade ship to some happy gankers, but I would think you definately learned a lesson and realize that there are ppl out there that know a few exploits and are willing to use them as an aid to destroying you or to steal from you... Good luck, fly safe... |

Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:16:00 -
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Welcome to eve.
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:11:00 -
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Let me just say right off: I didn't read any of the posts after the OP. I have nothing to add to this thread except the following: I love it when somebody rolls a badass-looking Caldari Civire with a fail-badass name (Vin--- Diesel) and then comes on the forums and whines like a little girl!
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friendnamenotfound
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Beirut Papa Edited by: Beirut Papa on 22/05/2008 17:03:33 Hi,
I'm a month late for this thread but here are some words.....
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 22/05/2008 22:47:58 Don't you just hate people who engage in a conversation and then a week later just sort of casually continues the conversation as if no time has passed at all?
Edit: What I meant to say is, necro post.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Beirut Papa
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Posted - 2008.06.29 08:53:00 -
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I love ppl who contradict themselves and dont practice what they preach, but thats cool... I'm always happy to be burned by newbs, guess thats why they fail...  |

Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.29 09:01:00 -
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Who necro'd this? *looks above*
Anyway, good riddance to the lofty scam.
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Aslann
Gallente Win and God
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Posted - 2008.06.29 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: VInanath Diesel While enroute I immediately notice another player join our fleet,and of course theres not much I can do @ this point.
Step 1: Leave the fleet. Step 2: Lulz at scammer getting concordokkened. Step 3: Loots. Step 4: Profits.
Also, this scam doesnt work anymore now :( ______________________
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Kai Jyokoroi
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.29 11:31:00 -
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Dude, if you're flying what should be mothership fittings stuck on some slow-ass elephant of a crappy ship, don't be sad when someone blows it up. Never mind the gang exploit, I just plain out suicide them.
Hell, I've blown up and seen blown up many times Gistii CNR's in high sec just for the sheer fun of it, with about 3 t1 fitted geddons. We're down nothing but sec points and a few really cheap (free, really) BSs, we're up potentially some nice mothership/titan mods, and you're down 1.5 bil and a free lesson to stop being such a lame CNR level 4 missions carebear.
That IS a design feature. This is Eve, not Wow. EVERYTHING in this game is pvp.
Never trust anyone who isn't your corpmate. Sometimes not even them. I don't trust anyone with any part of my stuff that I don't know in real life.
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tacoma maru
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Posted - 2008.06.29 18:30:00 -
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hey i am new to eve....does this exploit still exist. |

Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:10:00 -
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yes it still exists.
trust noone in eve.
trust NOONE in eve ever.
if you have a big bad expensive ship with even more expensive mods on it NEVER ever under ANY conditions trust anyone.
never AP you fancy ship with fancier mods in empire and absolutely never go afk at a gate or station if you do you deserve to get blown up.
always watch your overview while mission running if you see people warping in in non salavge type ships and you got a ship worth blowing up get the hell out of dodge or get ready to get ganked.
or get out of empire where there is no ganking and you can shoot them before they shoot you.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi We're down nothing but sec points and a few really cheap (free, really) BSs, we're up potentially some nice mothership/titan mods, and you're down 1.5 bil and a free lesson to stop being such a lame CNR...
This is why we still need to have insurance voided if Concord shot at you and is on your killmail. |

Aslann
Gallente Win and God
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nito Musashi yes it still exists.
Stop lie, latest patch changed the war dec mechanism when joining fleets now does not share war decs anymore. |

Rakaim
Gallente Rising Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:37:00 -
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Oh come now, the game isn't all bad people. A week ago I let someone join my gang so he could salvage my stuff without dying. I had finished a Lvl4 mission and RL called. So I offerd it to anyone in local. This poor guy who joined me was trying to get as many wrecks as possible "before I would lock him and kill him for taking my stuff when I left the gang," so to prevent this I kept him in the gang, and ejected all the bookmarks to the differnt parts of the mission (4 gate mission) and he was able to salvage safly in space. No harm done ^^. He got money, I uhhh, didn't let salvage goto waste. :D
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aslann
Originally by: Nito Musashi yes it still exists.
Stop lie, latest patch changed the war dec mechanism when joining fleets now does not share war decs anymore.
oh they did? just resubbed and did not read em :P. grats one loophole closed but i still stand by post aka trust noone.
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Uglok
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pak Narhoo Edited by: Pak Narhoo on 01/04/2008 15:03:54 How can you be in a CNR and not know that you NEVER EVER join fleet with peeps you do not know? 
- Rookie tip NO#1:- DO NOT EVER JOIN FLEET WITH PEEPS YOU DO NOT KNOW!
- Rookie tip NO#2: do not do missions in low sec. 0.4. or lower. You WILL get ganked. Unless you have the dressing on your ship.....
- Rookie tip NO#3: Never accept ISK from peeps, you do not know. Before you know it your account may end up several millioens in the MINUS.
- Rookie tip NO#0: Never Ever trust no-one. This is EVE.
----- edited zome zspellingk eroers...
And this is exactly what EVE will never be as popular as, say, World of Warcraft. Or hell, any other MMO out there.
Why? Well, it's rather simple. A MMO is all about playing with other people. However, considering all of this is legal according to CCP, they've pretty much stated that either you have your in RL friends come, join and play with you, and never risk playing with others who are most likely pirates, or you pay 15 bucks a month to play a Solo-Player game, which has a dynamic economy and allows you to fight against other people.
It's all rather depressing and pretty much ruins the whole "MMORPG" experience. EVE is probably more similar to a Massively Multiplayer version of Counter-Strike with friendly fire turned on. You can join a team, play with them for awhile and spend all your in-game money to have fun and take it to the other team. Then before you know it, your teammate waltzes up to you and puts a bullet in the back of your head.
And this is what people consider 'Fun'. |

Royaldo
Gallente Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:41:00 -
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Im gonna give you 2 advices. 1. Never ever help anyone.(unless they are in your corp). Just dont. **** them for beeing ********, its not your fault they got stuck in some impossible mission. 2. Name and shame the pilots who killed you right away. Dont even think about, just name a shame them. It might help someone else. |

Haakelen
Gallente Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Haakelen on 29/06/2008 21:45:19
Originally by: Uglok
It's all rather depressing and pretty much ruins the whole "MMORPG" experience.
Really? Because I think finding a group of chill folks and killing people is great fun. |

Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Uglok
Originally by: Pak Narhoo Edited by: Pak Narhoo on 01/04/2008 15:03:54 How can you be in a CNR and not know that you NEVER EVER join fleet with peeps you do not know? 
- Rookie tip NO#1:- DO NOT EVER JOIN FLEET WITH PEEPS YOU DO NOT KNOW!
- Rookie tip NO#2: do not do missions in low sec. 0.4. or lower. You WILL get ganked. Unless you have the dressing on your ship.....
- Rookie tip NO#3: Never accept ISK from peeps, you do not know. Before you know it your account may end up several millioens in the MINUS.
- Rookie tip NO#0: Never Ever trust no-one. This is EVE.
----- edited zome zspellingk eroers...
And this is exactly what EVE will never be as popular as, say, World of Warcraft. Or hell, any other MMO out there.
Why? Well, it's rather simple. A MMO is all about playing with other people. However, considering all of this is legal according to CCP, they've pretty much stated that either you have your in RL friends come, join and play with you, and never risk playing with others who are most likely pirates, or you pay 15 bucks a month to play a Solo-Player game, which has a dynamic economy and allows you to fight against other people.
It's all rather depressing and pretty much ruins the whole "MMORPG" experience. EVE is probably more similar to a Massively Multiplayer version of Counter-Strike with friendly fire turned on. You can join a team, play with them for awhile and spend all your in-game money to have fun and take it to the other team. Then before you know it, your teammate waltzes up to you and puts a bullet in the back of your head.
And this is what people consider 'Fun'.
Personally I've made some excellent friends in this game. What you fail to understand is that by by making treachery possible, the game makes trust valuable. In fact it's the most valuable thing in the game.
As to how you obtain it and when you should apply it, well... I'll leave that as an exercise to the interested student. I hate spoilers.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |

Uglok
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Personally I've made some excellent friends in this game. What you fail to understand is that by by making treachery possible, the game makes trust valuable. In fact it's the most valuable thing in the game.
As to how you obtain it and when you should apply it, well... I'll leave that as an exercise to the interested student. I hate spoilers.
Personally I've made some excellent friends in this game as well, some simply by joining a new corp. However, what you fail to understand is that by making treachery possible you significantly limit the base on which you can draw trust from, and significantly increase the amount of paranoia for other players who have become too scared to even help a new player who may need it, all because it could be a potential scam to ruin your gaming experience.
Countless times I've seen players spout off the 'wisdom of EVE' as "Don't trust anyone." That is rather self-explanatory. Don't trust anyone. People go as far as to pretend to be your friend for up to a year or two, just to betray you. Sure, in reality they may be the nicest person you'd ever meet. But on EVE-Online, they can pretty much go around and steal not only everything from you in-game, but they're effectively stealing your real money as well.
"But how are they stealing your real money? All of this is In-Game ISK that they're stealing."
That's correct. However, we, as subscribing customers, spend a set amount of real money per month for time to play. This time spent playing can be converted into real money just as easily as real money can be converted into time spent playing. So going by this, all the time you spent getting that nice shiny new CNR and outfitting it can equate to an amount of money in RL. So, by allowing this exploitation of people willing to help "Newbies" or new players getting ganked, ransomed, destroyed and potentially pod-killed is effectively stealing your real currency, rather than simply your in-game currency.
Thus why EVE will never be the top MMO despite how popular it is with it's subscribers. It effectively allows people to steal real money from you via stealing your investments. No other game allows such actions that are so clearly an exploit, and these actions are always met with strict consequences.
Now, as a final note: Does that mean that running into a Gate-Camp or being caught in low-sec with your pants down, or hell, even suicide ganking is the same and thus stealing from you? Realistically speaking: No, because it's not an exploit. This is pure tactical PvP that isn't considered exploiting a technicality via the rules.
In other games when you go through a PvP zone (Low Sec or 0.0) there always is the possibility of running into hostiles and paying the price.
In other games, when you're flagged in a 'safe zone' and people rush in and attempt to suicide gank you at risk of being slaughtered by the NPC guards, that's a risk you willingly put yourself at (And thus, by joining EVE, it's pretty much the same thing as being permanently flagged in a 'safe-zone' while being protected by NPCS)
However. In other games, when you're lured by someone and killed by a technicality that shouldn't be in-effect in your situation, it's considered an exploit and can be a bannable offense. |

sesanti
Minmatar Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nielas
Originally by: Malcanis
EvE is meant to be set in a considerably more violent and corrupt society than the one we live in. Even a system in 1.0 space might have dozens of heavily armed persons with a history of criminal violence in it. Open fighting between parties who haven't paid off the cops will draw an armed response but that's about it.
The EVE universe is also much more illogical than ours.
It has cops who are violent and ruthless enough to blow out of the sky anyone who fires a shot without a waning or trying to arrest them. At the same time they will let obvious accomplices roam around a crime scene freely and let them profit from the proceeds of a crime.
At the same time the cops are apparently corrupt enough to let people fight it out if the proper paperwork was field and fees were paid but not enough to 'impound' wrecks of ships and use the contents to finance the Concord Retirement Fund.
There are jsut simply massive gaping holes in logic in how the system behaves.
Exactly, because EVE is a game, and not real life. Some things might be modelled after the real world - after all the designers are human and not aliens - however, you cannot compare blowing up a guy within EVE Universe and murdering him in real life. Or scamming him in EVE to scamming him in the real world.
_______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster -
<I am a guy... never mind the portrait> |

Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Uglok In other games,
Go play those then.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |

Haakelen
Gallente Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:45:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Malcanis
Go play those then.
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Uglok
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Uglok In other games,
Go play those then.
That's the best reply you can come up with? Or was my logic overwhelming enough for you to lower yourself to attempt at being a common troll and nit-picking my post? |

Haakelen
Gallente Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:50:00 -
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Your walls of text are mostly 'I don't like getting killed and I don't like a high death penalty'.
If you're looking for inoffensive resource gathering and dress up, this isn't quite the right environment. |
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