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Vanessa Vale Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.06 21:15:00 - [91] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer -Why does minmatar have the 4 mid inty but the caldari dont? If anything raptor should have 4 mids and stiletto either 3-4 Yes! It is time to end the minmatar inty supremacy! Lets exchange interceptors with caldari! Losing the claw will be soooo painful. Minmatar Boost Brigade
Lyria Skydancer Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.06 21:18:00 - [92] Originally by: Vanessa Vale Originally by: Lyria Skydancer -Why does minmatar have the 4 mid inty but the caldari dont? If anything raptor should have 4 mids and stiletto either 3-4 Yes! It is time to end the minmatar inty supremacy! Lets exchange interceptors with caldari! Losing the claw will be soooo painful. I've already discussed this. Stiletto could still have 4 but the raptor should have atleast as many as the stiletto. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Caelum Dominus	Posted - 2008.04.07 07:27:00 - [93] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/04/2008 07:28:05 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer - There are more than two scenarios in the vast world of tackling. For example, it's quite realistic to assume that you will be required to tackle a lone battleship until support arrives. Also, it's common for an Interceptor to be required to travel long distances in order to scramble an enemy ship. These (and many more) are tasks that are better performed by the Ares.
Bad Borris	Posted - 2008.04.07 12:04:00 - [94] Welsh, the problem is not you're idea just that every heavy damage dealer in the caldari line-up is a missile boat. Accounting for roles and range: BS damage raven>rokh Command ship damage nighthawk>vulture battlecruiser drake>ferox hac cerberus>eagle cruisers caracal>moa interceptors crow>raptor Thats the problem and historically ccp has been very hesitant to give up the core distinguishing philosophies it placed on each race at the very beginning afaik.
Lyria Skydancer	Posted - 2008.04.07 12:34:00 - [95] Originally by: Caelum Dominus Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/04/2008 07:28:05 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer - There are more than two scenarios in the vast world of tackling. For example, it's quite realistic to assume that you will be required to tackle a lone battleship until support arrives. Also, it's common for an Interceptor to be required to travel long distances in order to scramble an enemy ship. These (and many more) are tasks that are better performed by the Ares. The scenario of tackling a BS alone very very rarely happens. But yes ares would be better IN CASE the target happens to have a heavy neut. It will basically never happen that you 1. Be able to track a BS in a belt or similar (around gates you dont need to tackle for long) 2. BS has a heavy neut You'll do fine in a taranis 99% of ops. You'll also rarely miss a target just because you didnt warp at 13.5au/s but "only" warped at 9au/s. Most warp distances are so short for interceptors that the time diff is negligable. No, there are not that many situations that commonly occur where you really NEED to be in ares. Taranis does just fine. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.07 14:02:00 - [96] Originally by: Bad Borris Welsh, the problem is not you're idea just that every heavy damage dealer in the caldari line-up is a missile boat. Accounting for roles and range: BS damage raven>rokh Command ship damage nighthawk>vulture battlecruiser drake>ferox hac cerberus>eagle cruisers caracal>moa interceptors crow>raptor Thats the problem and historically ccp has been very hesitant to give up the core distinguishing philosophies it placed on each race at the very beginning afaik. I beg to differ on your conclusions on firepower, if you compare the missile boats to the hybrid boats using blasters, the blaster boats come out on top in some of your comparisons. Battleships: Blaster Rokh > Raven > Rail Rokh <No comment on Command ships - comparing Fleet vs Field Command in terms of dps is silly> Battlecruisers: HAM Drake > Blaster Ferox > HM Drake > Rail Ferox HAC: Blaster Eagle ~ HAM Cerb > HM Cerb > Rail Eagle Cruiser: Blaster Moa > HAM Caracal > HM Caracal > Rail Moa Inty: Blaster Raptor > Crow > Rail Raptor So it depends on your role where your max dps is. The Crow is fine, because although a blaster raptor does more damage it has to get into web range to accomplish that, whereas the Crow can deal its damage well outside of webrange. The problem lies for interceptors that have cap using weapons - they cannot effectively scram at their bonused range AND fire on the target withotu losing cap or slowing down immensely by fitting cap/grid mods instead of speed mods. It seems the Raptor is designed to be a long range tackler equipped with blasters and a rocket launcher. It would get its 30km scram, then use its weapons as a defense against warrior II's, and rely on its teammates to do any damage on the pointed target. A Raptor with Rails does not work. You lack the grid to fit 125's or 150's (75's with spike do not reach your 30km scram range). You lack the cap to fire your rails and MWD and point for more than a coupel minutes. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Caelum Dominus Ministry of Destruction Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.07 14:14:00 - [97] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/04/2008 14:14:16 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer The scenario of tackling a BS alone very very rarely happens. But yes ares would be better IN CASE the target happens to have a heavy neut. It will basically never happen that you 1. Be able to track a BS in a belt or similar (around gates you dont need to tackle for long) 2. BS has a heavy neut You'll do fine in a taranis 99% of ops. You'll also rarely miss a target just because you didnt warp at 13.5au/s but "only" warped at 9au/s. Most warp distances are so short for interceptors that the time diff is negligable. No, there are not that many situations that commonly occur where you really NEED to be in ares. Taranis does just fine. There are not that many situations that commonly occur where you needto be in a Taranis, either. "Just fine" may be sufficient by your standards, but certainly not for those of us who dedicate ourselves to tackling.
Lyria Skydancer Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.07 16:18:00 - [98] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 07/04/2008 16:18:29 Originally by: Caelum Dominus There are not that many situations that commonly occur where you need to be in a Taranis, either. "Just fine" may be sufficient by your standards, but certainly not for those of us who dedicate ourselves to tackling. You'll encounter frigs/inties/destroyer type of ships in most encounters. You pose a SERIOUS threat to ships like that when you have a dps around 200. So no, Taranis actually is a better interceptor overall for the skilled player. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.04.07 16:32:00 - [99] Originally by: Omarvelous Battleships: Blaster Rokh > Raven > Rail Rokh Torp Raven > Blaster Rokh > Rail Rokh In theory anyway. How the actual dps plays out against different kinds of targets is a whole other matter naturally.
General Paul	Posted - 2008.04.07 18:37:00 - [100] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Zhecao Vai Originally by: General Paul Caldari ceptors role reversal ? Why are y'all talking about gallente and amaar ceptors ? Because balancing two interceptors requires looking at the balance of the other six. Not really, the Raptors crap and needs a boost and the Crow would just be going sideways if it had some other kind of nerf when it gains the 30km point. You got some nerve to simply want to boost a crow without adjusting any of the other ships. The most popular inty. You must be dreaming. Seriously, the crow is actually good on tranq, in eft and in theory. Please stop your nonsense. I dont think Crow needs a boost at all. I just rather have more caldari Talk. I cant claim to have much experience in pvp.. just 54 kills with a crow in mixed gangs in 0.0 so obviously a lot of you have much more experience than I. As a ship for intercepting it is very nice given its high range if you discount the need for a web. The raptor on the other hand I have not seen for a good long while in Venal.. = / IMO craptor needs some love. The crow is fine and dandy as it is. Thought id clear that up (=



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