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Grimpak
Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.05 21:22:00 -
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FYI I've been playing EVE for 4 years.
also it took me a year to fly my first BS (a typhoon). ---
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.06 01:22:00 -
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I enjoy all the perspective.
Thank You All
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Slade
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.07 12:31:00 -
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I will try to convert the post now without starting a new thread since I have the attention of some of the older pilots.
I have read a few of the posts and I have heard things like getting into a BS was a thing of prestige and it took a concerted effort for our corp to get our first pilot into a BS.
My questions are...
1) Are the days of this type of glory gone due to the ever increasing number of pilots?
2) Is it correct to believe the current equivelent to BS's are Capitol ships?
3) Since it seems that only the biggest and elitest Alliances can produce these are those same feelings even possible for newer pilots to feel since we do not have a chance to get into these Alliances do to SP requirements?
4) Or are we just another drop in the water?
My guess is it is whatever I make out of it, it is a game of course.
Thank you all for your attention and assisting me in the past. I look forward to a long and dynamic life in EVE. I just wish I had been into gaming 4 years ago and had found EVE at the same time.
See you in Space,
Slade
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Ansala
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Posted - 2008.04.07 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
1) Are the days of this type of glory gone due to the ever increasing number of pilots?
Yes, but not because of increasing numbers of pilots.
When Eve first opened, the BS was the "end-game" ship. At the time big always trumped small. Missiles always hit for max damage (no explosion radius/velocity), sigradius and transversal was not in the game mechanics, so large turrets decimated small ships.
In the early days, when you saw a playr in a BS, you knew they had hit "end-game"...a little like level capping in other games.
But after about six months CCP began, and has been working very hard since, to avoid having an "end-game" type of ship.
So, yes, those days are gone, but it is because of CCP's efforts a balance and ensuring all ships have counters, and that the big, expensive toys are vulnerable to smaller, less expensive ships.
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
2) Is it correct to believe the current equivelent to BS's are Capitol ships?
Only in some ways. I'm still amused when I see posts saying "how should I fit my carrier" and responses of "if you don't know how, then you shouldn't be flying such an expensive ship!"
The exact same posts would fly around regarding BS fittings. So some attitudes are the same.
But in the early days the BS was pretty much universally useful and desirable with few counters except another BS. The BS was the next step after cruisers that almost everyone was going to take. So when you saw someone in the rare BS, almost everyone said "Wow, I want to be there!"
There really aren't any ships like that now. Caps are more roll-specific.
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
3) Since it seems that only the biggest and elitest Alliances can produce these are those same feelings even possible for newer pilots to feel since we do not have a chance to get into these Alliances do to SP requirements?
I don't think Eve now allows anyone to reproduce the feeling of the first BS pilots; those days are gone. The game mechanics are simply too different, and it is seems very counter to CCP's direction to introduce ships that have capabilities relative to other ships similar to that of the early day BS.
Originally by: Slade Trillgon 4) Or are we just another drop in the water?
Yes, for good or bad, we are all just drops of water. There is no uber end-game ship in Eve. Instead CCP is working towards end-game "gangs" where the individual is just a cog in the machine.
Originally by: Slade Trillgon My guess is it is whatever I make out of it, it is a game of course.
Thank you all for your attention and assisting me in the past. I look forward to a long and dynamic life in EVE. I just wish I had been into gaming 4 years ago and had found EVE at the same time.
See you in Space,
Slade
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AKULA UrQuan
STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.04.07 16:50:00 -
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Bit over a year for me to get into a PvE Raven. In fact I sat on the caldari BS skillbook for 6 months before pluging it in. Three months later I was able to fly fleet fit Megathrons/Rokhs. Ended up haveing to leave eve for 10 months and I still have about three months of training left to flesh out the gallente/caldari BS skills to my satisfaction. Then I got another 6-8 months of clearing out prerequisites before even thinking about a dred.
Now if you really rush it getting into a BS can be done in under 30 days easy now. Not haveing the support skills in place will hamper you when you first try to use it.
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Pantaloon McPants
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.04.07 17:16:00 -
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being a veteran of eve for over 22 years, back in my day we didnt even have space ships thats how veteran i am anyway ..
you should have your base skills to 5 most other skills to 4 and your good to go, this could take anywhere from 8 to 12 months.
your welcome.
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:12:00 -
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I spend a few days in a corp Probe wich I used for mining, then I bought myself a Rifter and a Hoarder and did some hauling and mining, after a month I got myself into my first cruiser and it must have taken at least a year before I got into my first BS, a Typhoon. I was more an Industrial pilot then anything in those days. Used to make millions collecting loot with my Mammoth. I still can't fly capitals since I lack the skills but I have all the prereqs.
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MEBHansen
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:22:00 -
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can't remember just how long it was, before I were in BS, but I never forget the first time I saw one. It was an Apocalypse, and I was in a Punisher. It came out of warp right next to me, and it was a OMFG HUGE MOFO ship compared to my frigg, wich I thought was large enough.
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Galen Salkor
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon I will try to convert the post now without starting a new thread since I have the attention of some of the older pilots.
I have read a few of the posts and I have heard things like getting into a BS was a thing of prestige and it took a concerted effort for our corp to get our first pilot into a BS.
My questions are...
1) Are the days of this type of glory gone due to the ever increasing number of pilots?
I've been here since May 14th, 2003, and I would have to say yes but I don't feel it is due to the number of pilots. My opinion is that it is because ISK is far too easy to get. They made certain items expensive so in order for 0.0 to be 'colonized', ISK became easier to earn to buy these things to expand that direction. Unfortunately 0.0 then becomes a little more crowded because not every system in 0.0 is one someone wants to be in. Who would want to be in a system with only 1 or 2 belts anyway?
I'm probably not the only one who remembers the big news about the first player battleship being built. Or the news about the first outpost. You don't hear about stuff like that anymore because anyone and their grandma can do it due to ISK flowing like water now. It takes relatively no time at all for even a small group of players to build up the ISK they need for something like a capital ship whereas it used to take considerable time to do the same just for a cruiser and battleship.
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
2) Is it correct to believe the current equivelent to BS's are Capitol ships?
I doubt I am alone in saying yes. The way capital ships are working is the way battleships were originally described 5 years ago with one exception. A single individual can buy one of these things. They will need someone to generate a cynosural field to move around but a single person could easily buy them. Back in the day, battleships were described as something owned by a corporation and requiring maintenance.
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
3) Since it seems that only the biggest and elitest Alliances can produce these are those same feelings even possible for newer pilots to feel since we do not have a chance to get into these Alliances do to SP requirements?
4) Or are we just another drop in the water?
When capital ships were first coming out, I already had all the skill levels required for the skills needed to get into one. Unfortunately since they were not seeded on SISI, I trained it on tranquality. Biggest waste of training I ever did. I needed advanced spaceship command at V and advanced weapon upgrades V to use the first of the capital ships out (dreadnaughts). Unfortunately dreadnaughts are only useful for one thing. Sieging POSs. POSs, btw, sounded great the way they were first advertised but were then poorly implemented when they came out which I feel lead to a need have dreadnaughts. So being good for only one thing, they largely sit in your hanger doing nothing while you spent around 2 months training the skills to get into one. Later came carriers which have far better uses than dreadnaughts but again, you largely sit around and don't do much.
What I am really saying is new players should not even feel compelled to get into a capital ship. When you get into one, you feel like you got shafted out of all that time you spent training for them.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.08 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 08/04/2008 19:53:00 Once again thank you all for your further input.
O_\
I am becoming ever more satisfied with my choices to stick with frigate/destroyer/cruiser specialization.
Oh, Soon I will be a super nasty tackler.
Next question,
Am I a rare breed of pilot that finds tackling quite entertaining? Or does the novalty of tackling ware off? The smaller ships may not be the isk producers that BS's are but I definatley prefer warping to the scout and being one of the 1st to pop into a combat scenario.
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Gerry TheViking
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.11 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New players fly battleships in 3 months. Vets like us fly a battleship after 6 months.
People that fly battleships after two months are cannonfodder for experienced players in excellent fitted frigates. You can tell them 100 times here in the forum they wont believe it.
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Sethra Levode
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.11 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sethra Levode on 11/04/2008 15:57:22
Originally by: Gerry TheViking
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New players fly battleships in 3 months. Vets like us fly a battleship after 6 months.
People that fly battleships after two months are cannonfodder for experienced players in excellent fitted frigates. You can tell them 100 times here in the forum they wont believe it.
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There was a thread on the New Citizens forum yesterday where someone saying they are flying two races BS in 2 months of game time.
Love the alt post
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