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Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 04/04/2008 23:43:55 EDIT: for spelling I have been here for a few months. I have followed many of the famous mantra of EVE. I have worked on training supports skills and what not while avoiding the fast tract to the battle ship. So my question is what type a progression time line did you all old boys go through considering the battleships were not introduced for how long into EVE's lifeline. New pilots can get into a battleship how quickley? If not obvious by now, I am in now way interested in getting into a BS anytime soon. But I was interested in how long did the old pilots fly in frigates before they were in destroyers/cruisers/BC's/and finally battle ships to give me a gauge for my own personal progression. Thank You, Slade
Jenny Spitfire LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:44:00 - [2] New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Benco97 Exchangable Properties	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:45:00 - [3] A long long time, never was interested in the big ships and there wasn't as much variation back then so I just did almost everything in my MKV (Which took me SEVENTY TWO days to train) Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
Dirk Magnum	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:47:00 - [4] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 04/04/2008 23:50:11 You CAN get into it as soon as you've got cruiser and spaceship command trained up to the right level. Highly inadvisable that you do that though since you need tons of support skills for BSs. I didn't start intensely training for PvP until several months into the game, so I don't want to say how long in terms of real time you should actually wait before progressing to Battleships. However, make sure that you have gunnery five so you can train the large weapon of choice for your Battleship of choice. Also makes sure your repair skills are good, because the large reppers take a bit of time to cycle compared to their smaller counterparts. Definitely be able to fit out your mids and lows with T2 modules as soon as possible, although most T2 active shield hardeners only give an extra 1 or 2% of real resistance OVER their T1 variant (except for EM, since EM shield resists start at zero.) Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Alyth	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Slade Trillgon I have been here for a few months. I have followed many of the famous mantra of EVE. I have worked on training supports skills and what not while avoiding the fast tract to the battle ship. So my question is what type a progression time line did you all old boys go through considering the battleships were not introduced for how lon into EVE's lifeline. I mean new pilots can get into a battleship how quickley? If not obvious by now, I am in now way interested in getting into a BS anytime soon. But I was interested in how long did the old pilots fly in frigates before they were in cruisers/BC's/and finally battle ships to give me a gague for my own personal progression. Thank You, Slade Aim for about 8 million (specialised) SP to fly a battleship effectively, that is to say tech 2 guns, tank, drones and the support skills for the aforementioned items. I got in my first Raven when I had about 4 million SP and regretted it instantly because I couldn't do anything very well. That said, now I have 30m SP I'm still not so hot with Caldari ships but give me anything Gallente or Minmatar and I can work wonders. I guess the only thing affecting the length of time you'll spend in one ship is how long it will take you to train the skills to be truly effective in the next ship class. I love Violet! It is the prettiest color in the whole wide world!!! I like toast. Naviagtor Gah! Curse you all!
Feng Schui	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Feng Schui on 04/04/2008 23:51:37 My main character (Feng) didn't fly battleships till he was over a year old, and even then, it was only for missions. I'm only flying a Battleship in pvp now since my preferred ship cannot tank sentries very well (his damage still sucks for pvp though). My alt character, who will be running missions, is in a battleship with 2 weeks of training. He doesn't do level 4's quite as comfortably as Feng, however, I know how to pull the rats so I don't die. Experience > SP in these regards. edit: as far as total amounts, he is sitting at 2.5 million skill points, with 1.2 million in research skills Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Malcanis	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 04/04/2008 23:43:55 EDIT: for spelling I have been here for a few months. I have followed many of the famous mantra of EVE. I have worked on training supports skills and what not while avoiding the fast tract to the battle ship. So my question is what type a progression time line did you all old boys go through considering the battleships were not introduced for how long into EVE's lifeline. New pilots can get into a battleship how quickley? If not obvious by now, I am in now way interested in getting into a BS anytime soon. But I was interested in how long did the old pilots fly in frigates before they were in destroyers/cruisers/BC's/and finally battle ships to give me a gauge for my own personal progression. Thank You, Slade 25M SP here. Just started using torp ravens for occasional lo-sec brawls. I'm not really properly skilled for BS though, and don't intend to be for a while (having too much fun with t2 cruisers) CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Aldir Rundal The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.04.05 00:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Aldir Rundal on 05/04/2008 00:23:01 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. Like you would know.... WTB Old Jenny. Edit: On Topic. It was about 5 months before I got into my BS, by tbh, Back then we were having issues with people getting into BSes after 1 month, now I would assume it's about the same. And We started with Far Fewer skill points than new players do now. Unless they sell GTCs, and then a new character. Thus completely defeating the learning curve.... Edit2: Totally not on the ball... Been playing since August 04, 50million SP. Recruiting
Tony Allizzar POINT CLICK KILL	Posted - 2008.04.05 00:18:00 - [9] I been playing 3 years and still feel i am not getting my best our of a battleship. I think a good gage is when u can totaly it a battleship in T2 properly without the aid of PDU's RCU's and CPU,s. Thats the point were you know u got the skills behind you.
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.05 01:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Tony Allizzar I been playing 3 years and still feel i am not getting my best our of a battleship. Lol...been in EVE near 5 years (albeit with a 1 year break in there) and I still have BS skills I am working on. Haven't even thought about cap ships. Back when I started it took me about three months to get into a cruiser and nine months to my first battleship. Partly it was skill training (no advanced skills to learn back then nor implants) and partly was the colossal pain in the arse it was to mine into one. No Hulks, no barges, no T2 mining lasers, no implants, no gang buffs, not even specialized mining frigs or cruisers (so Thorax was the best back then). You mined with T1 lasers from a cruiser. Add to that it took 10 runs (IIRC) of a Mk-V to move the mats for one battleship (no T2 expanders, no rigs, no Giant Secure Cans). It literally took weeks of concerted effort to make one battleship. Then, once you got your battleship, no insurance. A mate of mine spent 3 weeks grinding into a Tempest. He had it for about 2 hours when a friend of his in another corp asked him to guard him while he mined. He wanted to play with his new Tempest so agreed and was fiddling around when NPC rats showed. Naturally he attacked them. Unfortunately one of the rats got up close to the miner and my friend shot a torpedo at him. Back then torps did splash damage and he damaged the guy he was guarding a bit. No biggie but enough to bring CONCORD. Man was that guy angry! Didn't see him for two weeks. I miss those days actually. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.05 01:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Aldir Rundal Edited by: Aldir Rundal on 05/04/2008 00:23:01 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. Like you would know.... WTB Old Jenny. Is this Jenny Mk-III? I am losing count. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Sixtyniner Videotape Action Movement	Posted - 2008.04.05 01:33:00 - [12] About 6 mil SP before I hit my first BS. I¦m now at 30mil SP and still training BS skills :)
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific Interstellar Corporate Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.05 02:53:00 - [13] I have taken exactly 13 Months to fly a battleship. Seriously, I did not train a BS skill until JB was 13 months old. I have trained and specialized in Interceptors and Cruisers first, and then, once that was done gone for the BS.
Siigari Kitawa The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:02:00 - [14] I think I was 6 months old when I flew my first battleship. Smaller ships can be a lot of fun, and a battleship was a feeling of prestige, so I wnated to have my support skills correct and sorted before I jumped into one.
Rawr Cristina	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:14:00 - [15] My first char was flying battleships within 2 months, in 2003. I'd been mining in a Thorax for ages gathering minerals and a BPC to build myself an Armageddon. I finally got it, was VERY excited as i'd only seen a battleship once before (an Apoc warped to the belt I was at, I was in awe) let alone flying the things - then I went and got killed + podded 2 hours later I quit EVE some time after that and only came back about 2yrs ago, pretty much fully specced in the Nighthawk now - but I can't even get in a Raven ... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Akita T	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2008 03:20:52 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Is this Jenny Mk-III? I am losing count. I think it's personality number 6 already, maybe even a 7. It stopped being funny by personality 4 or so tho'. Back on topic, even if I'm trained reasonably for battleship usage (not good, just reasonably, most of my 31+ mil SP are in "some other stuff"), I still prefer to fly battlecruisers or even smaller craft. Matter of fact, I can count the number of times I've actually flown a battleship on my fingers (and no, I didn't lose any, but was pretty damn close once). 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Corduroy Rab	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:20:00 - [17] I don't consider myself to be a "vet" but it took me about 5 months from when I started to get into a Battleship, for strictly mission running and 0.0 ratting purposes. At that point I would not have considered my skills as Battleship pvp worthy, though I did manage to fight off a Hurricane that tried to pop me in a belt once.
Jinx Barker	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. What "vets" your character has been sold and re-sold more times than a Bangkok hooker! http://jinxbarker.blogspot.com/Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Akkarin Pagan Raddick Explorations Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:31:00 - [19] I took about 6 months to get into a BS, and proceeded to get it nuked in my first lvl 4 mission about 2 hours later :( Luckily a rich corp mate gave me the isk to buy and insure a Tempest after that. I still sucked at BS until about 6 months ago, and I've still got some skills to get to lvl 5 before I'm happy with where I am for pvping (can do level 4s in all races BS now, just overly quickly for some of them.) My progression was frigate -> Destroyer -> Cruiser -> Industrial -> Battlecruiser -> T2 frigates -> BS. Even now, I think I have spent the most time flying Cyclones out of all the ships! Akkarin I don't mean to sound bitter and twisted, but I am, so that's how it comes out. <3 - Immy
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. What "vets" your character has been sold and re-sold more times than a Bangkok hooker! There is plenty of slightly more than anecdotal evidence that the character was never sold, and the original owner's just playing the multiple personality disorder sham on us for giggles. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Siege	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:53:00 - [21] There are two different things at play here. One is actually flying a battleship, which can be done in about a month or two. The other is being effective in a battleship, which takes at LEAST a year. Cruisers you can get into within a week. Flying them well takes a couple months. I've been playing on and off since day 1, and I actually fly battleships very rarely unless there is a specific need for one. I probably got into them after about 6 months, and they just sat in the hanger for another 6. Too cumbersome, particularly back in the days before warp-to-zero. Recons, HAC's and Battlecruisers are much more versatile. Interceptors are also very fun ships. Destroyers are a waste of time and isk right now. IF you aren't interested in bigger ships, I highly recommend going for Cruiser 5 and opening up the world of recons, HAC's, and heavy interdictors. You'll love the Vagabond and Rapier. ------ begin signature ----- Little known Eve fact, The original race names were: Amarr Empire, Caldar Empire, Minmatar Republic, The Jovians, and The Remanaquie Federation.
Soulita	Posted - 2008.04.05 04:19:00 - [22] Hmm, dont remember exactly how long it took me to get into a BS. Was in a cruiser - the then very popular Thorax - fairly quick, thanks to a corp mate who gave one to me for free. Still have that Thorax, its now t2 fit of course. Love to fly it sometimes. Have not forgotten that favour nor who gave it to me. Got in a BS after about 6 months I think. Give or take a month or two. That Dominix was a present from the Ceo of the corp I was in at that time, could not have afforded one myself. Was a very big present, also still very thankfull for that great gift. Unfortunatly this Dominix got blown up, so its not around anymore. Still, I fell in love with the domi class ship, and have flown Dominixes ever since. Still do today. I would say I am pretty much perfectly skilled to fly this ship now. Took well over a year till I felt I had the primary and secondary skills to use the ship very well. Currently I have all skills no matter how remotly related to flying a domi up to lvl5. That still takes well over a year I think. But if you work in gangs, then nowadays it is quick to get into a BS and use it effectively. Even a well skilled vet might have problems killing of 2 or 3 relative noobs with the same ship. But the main difference now to back then is the relative cost of a BS. Back in the day a BS was an investment similar to a carrier now. Today new players can often afford BSs very quickly, and the loss of one is not so bad. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Ben Derindar	Posted - 2008.04.05 04:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Slade Trillgon I was interested in how long did the old pilots fly in frigates before they were in destroyers/cruisers/BC's/and finally battle ships to give me a gauge for my own personal progression. When I began the game there were no such things as destroyers or battlecruisers, and no T2 ships at all, though interceptors weren't far off. There were also no missile support skills to speak of, i.e. no Rapid Launch, Warhead Upgrades, etc, so anyone aiming for a Raven in particular had a somewhat easier time of it than they do now. So with relatively few options back then it was considered acceptable to be in a BS at around 4-5 mil SP, but of course many people made a beeline for them anyway. IIRC, I was the last in my first corp to hop into one at about 3 mil SP. These days though with so many more skills and ships to train for along the way, I would probably double the earlier SP recommendation, to around 8-10 mil SP at least. /Ben http://wildman.orcon.net.nz Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Dirk Magnum	Posted - 2008.04.05 04:58:00 - [24] Second request for Chribba to buy the Jenny account. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Rawr Cristina	Posted - 2008.04.05 05:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Second request for Chribba to buy the Jenny account. Would be boring. No thread is complete without a Jenny post IMO. Not even Chribba can do better ... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Zeba	Posted - 2008.04.05 05:04:00 - [26] My latest alt was in a BS on the 9th day. Too bad the lol dps small guns and non-existant tank kinda makes it pointless. The mining yield was ok though. Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
Bei Bao	Posted - 2008.04.05 05:06:00 - [27] I lost my first bs in 36 hours, needless to say that with 4 months in the game i sucked at flying it. Still havent finished bs 5 and i dont like bs in general. New players nowadays fly them and loose the far to easy. Great for my kb stats tho. (this is a alt cuz if my corpies find out i dont have bs 5 they will laugh for days; its 25% done damn u all )
F'nog	Posted - 2008.04.05 06:28:00 - [28] I started in Feb 03 and got my first BS in June, maybe. But I quickly grew bored with it for combat, not mining though, as I was as effective, if not more so, in my cruisers. That character still sticks with sub-BS ships. I wouldn't have even bothered getting it except that most of the people in CLS were getting them, and since I was a senior member with certain responsibilities at the time I figured I should have a BS if all my subordinates did. If I hadn't been in that position I wouldn't have bothered. I only really got into BSes with F'nog after spending a lot of time in 0.0 and being useless with most of my cruisers there (I'm talking PvE here. I was useless in everything in PvP). Of course we had far fewer choices back then, so the gap between cruiser and BS was pretty big. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
BloodBird Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.05 07:22:00 - [29] Player age, amount of skillpoints and the time of getting a BS is not a solid formula. Personaly, I had BS skills (able to fly one) after... think it was about 3 months. I started out as a production specialized player for my first noob corp, I had no clue about EVE and learned relatively slowly because of our isolasionist tendencies. After a while though we needed combat able pilots so I started down the path to PVP, never looked back. Had skills for a BS after 3 months, give or take a week. Money however, was an issue. After about 5 months we managed to gather funds for my BS (many others had got one allready, corp worked together to gather minerals and I built them for our members) and my first Mega was flying about. I remember that the fitting was HORRIBLE because I had no clue whatsoever how to fit one. (Pair of T1 heavy missile launchers comes to mind) Luckily for me I never lost it, it was sold to cover other expenses. Despite the fact I've played for 2.5 years+ I've been in only 10 battleships by now. First was sold, second was given away, third was sold after some use, fourth was ganked by about 5 HAC's, (auch) nr's 6 to 9 have been lost but in nice combat situations so I'm happy, still got my 10th BS, a geddon, fitted and ready to go. Of note is the fact it's got a T2 tank along with T2 drones and very well named gear in mids (by choice) but only named guns. There is a very long list of skills useful for flying a BS and I've got alot of them left to learn, when/if I can be bothered. As for a progression timeline, I think mine was frigate->cruiser-Hauler->BC-BS, and LOADS of stuff after that, like T2 frigates (AF's) and others. I've had battleship skills for the vast majority of my EVE-life but only recently skilled for them more intensively as I can actually afford them now. A new player today, I'd say, if they aim for the ship class... hmm, maybe 3 weeks, roughtly? After 3 weeks they would be able to fly the ship, I think. THEN we could start arguing how WELL, but that's been covered nicely by now. You seem to have the right idea though. Taking it slow, getting skills up for frigates/destroyers/cruisers etc first, and support skills and so on, before jumping on the bigger=better wagon. Because anyone with a speck of experiance will tell you, as have been told allready I think, it's not true. at all. Sig source
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.05 07:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. Look a new Jenny! It's the "Get this Jenny a Speak and spell" Jenny! ------------------Sig-------------------------- Goons' greatest Pubbie!

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