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Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 04/04/2008 23:43:55 EDIT: for spelling I have been here for a few months. I have followed many of the famous mantra of EVE. I have worked on training supports skills and what not while avoiding the fast tract to the battle ship. So my question is what type a progression time line did you all old boys go through considering the battleships were not introduced for how long into EVE's lifeline. New pilots can get into a battleship how quickley? If not obvious by now, I am in now way interested in getting into a BS anytime soon. But I was interested in how long did the old pilots fly in frigates before they were in destroyers/cruisers/BC's/and finally battle ships to give me a gauge for my own personal progression. Thank You, Slade
Jenny Spitfire LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:44:00 - [2] New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Benco97 Exchangable Properties	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:45:00 - [3] A long long time, never was interested in the big ships and there wasn't as much variation back then so I just did almost everything in my MKV (Which took me SEVENTY TWO days to train) Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
Dirk Magnum	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:47:00 - [4] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 04/04/2008 23:50:11 You CAN get into it as soon as you've got cruiser and spaceship command trained up to the right level. Highly inadvisable that you do that though since you need tons of support skills for BSs. I didn't start intensely training for PvP until several months into the game, so I don't want to say how long in terms of real time you should actually wait before progressing to Battleships. However, make sure that you have gunnery five so you can train the large weapon of choice for your Battleship of choice. Also makes sure your repair skills are good, because the large reppers take a bit of time to cycle compared to their smaller counterparts. Definitely be able to fit out your mids and lows with T2 modules as soon as possible, although most T2 active shield hardeners only give an extra 1 or 2% of real resistance OVER their T1 variant (except for EM, since EM shield resists start at zero.) Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Alyth	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Slade Trillgon I have been here for a few months. I have followed many of the famous mantra of EVE. I have worked on training supports skills and what not while avoiding the fast tract to the battle ship. So my question is what type a progression time line did you all old boys go through considering the battleships were not introduced for how lon into EVE's lifeline. I mean new pilots can get into a battleship how quickley? If not obvious by now, I am in now way interested in getting into a BS anytime soon. But I was interested in how long did the old pilots fly in frigates before they were in cruisers/BC's/and finally battle ships to give me a gague for my own personal progression. Thank You, Slade Aim for about 8 million (specialised) SP to fly a battleship effectively, that is to say tech 2 guns, tank, drones and the support skills for the aforementioned items. I got in my first Raven when I had about 4 million SP and regretted it instantly because I couldn't do anything very well. That said, now I have 30m SP I'm still not so hot with Caldari ships but give me anything Gallente or Minmatar and I can work wonders. I guess the only thing affecting the length of time you'll spend in one ship is how long it will take you to train the skills to be truly effective in the next ship class. I love Violet! It is the prettiest color in the whole wide world!!! I like toast. Naviagtor Gah! Curse you all!
Feng Schui	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Feng Schui on 04/04/2008 23:51:37 My main character (Feng) didn't fly battleships till he was over a year old, and even then, it was only for missions. I'm only flying a Battleship in pvp now since my preferred ship cannot tank sentries very well (his damage still sucks for pvp though). My alt character, who will be running missions, is in a battleship with 2 weeks of training. He doesn't do level 4's quite as comfortably as Feng, however, I know how to pull the rats so I don't die. Experience > SP in these regards. edit: as far as total amounts, he is sitting at 2.5 million skill points, with 1.2 million in research skills Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Malcanis	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 04/04/2008 23:43:55 EDIT: for spelling I have been here for a few months. I have followed many of the famous mantra of EVE. I have worked on training supports skills and what not while avoiding the fast tract to the battle ship. So my question is what type a progression time line did you all old boys go through considering the battleships were not introduced for how long into EVE's lifeline. New pilots can get into a battleship how quickley? If not obvious by now, I am in now way interested in getting into a BS anytime soon. But I was interested in how long did the old pilots fly in frigates before they were in destroyers/cruisers/BC's/and finally battle ships to give me a gauge for my own personal progression. Thank You, Slade 25M SP here. Just started using torp ravens for occasional lo-sec brawls. I'm not really properly skilled for BS though, and don't intend to be for a while (having too much fun with t2 cruisers) CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Aldir Rundal The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.04.05 00:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Aldir Rundal on 05/04/2008 00:23:01 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. Like you would know.... WTB Old Jenny. Edit: On Topic. It was about 5 months before I got into my BS, by tbh, Back then we were having issues with people getting into BSes after 1 month, now I would assume it's about the same. And We started with Far Fewer skill points than new players do now. Unless they sell GTCs, and then a new character. Thus completely defeating the learning curve.... Edit2: Totally not on the ball... Been playing since August 04, 50million SP. Recruiting
Tony Allizzar POINT CLICK KILL	Posted - 2008.04.05 00:18:00 - [9] I been playing 3 years and still feel i am not getting my best our of a battleship. I think a good gage is when u can totaly it a battleship in T2 properly without the aid of PDU's RCU's and CPU,s. Thats the point were you know u got the skills behind you.
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.05 01:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Tony Allizzar I been playing 3 years and still feel i am not getting my best our of a battleship. Lol...been in EVE near 5 years (albeit with a 1 year break in there) and I still have BS skills I am working on. Haven't even thought about cap ships. Back when I started it took me about three months to get into a cruiser and nine months to my first battleship. Partly it was skill training (no advanced skills to learn back then nor implants) and partly was the colossal pain in the arse it was to mine into one. No Hulks, no barges, no T2 mining lasers, no implants, no gang buffs, not even specialized mining frigs or cruisers (so Thorax was the best back then). You mined with T1 lasers from a cruiser. Add to that it took 10 runs (IIRC) of a Mk-V to move the mats for one battleship (no T2 expanders, no rigs, no Giant Secure Cans). It literally took weeks of concerted effort to make one battleship. Then, once you got your battleship, no insurance. A mate of mine spent 3 weeks grinding into a Tempest. He had it for about 2 hours when a friend of his in another corp asked him to guard him while he mined. He wanted to play with his new Tempest so agreed and was fiddling around when NPC rats showed. Naturally he attacked them. Unfortunately one of the rats got up close to the miner and my friend shot a torpedo at him. Back then torps did splash damage and he damaged the guy he was guarding a bit. No biggie but enough to bring CONCORD. Man was that guy angry! Didn't see him for two weeks. I miss those days actually. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.05 01:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Aldir Rundal Edited by: Aldir Rundal on 05/04/2008 00:23:01 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. Like you would know.... WTB Old Jenny. Is this Jenny Mk-III? I am losing count. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Sixtyniner Videotape Action Movement	Posted - 2008.04.05 01:33:00 - [12] About 6 mil SP before I hit my first BS. I¦m now at 30mil SP and still training BS skills :)
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific Interstellar Corporate Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.05 02:53:00 - [13] I have taken exactly 13 Months to fly a battleship. Seriously, I did not train a BS skill until JB was 13 months old. I have trained and specialized in Interceptors and Cruisers first, and then, once that was done gone for the BS.
Siigari Kitawa The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:02:00 - [14] I think I was 6 months old when I flew my first battleship. Smaller ships can be a lot of fun, and a battleship was a feeling of prestige, so I wnated to have my support skills correct and sorted before I jumped into one.
Rawr Cristina	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:14:00 - [15] My first char was flying battleships within 2 months, in 2003. I'd been mining in a Thorax for ages gathering minerals and a BPC to build myself an Armageddon. I finally got it, was VERY excited as i'd only seen a battleship once before (an Apoc warped to the belt I was at, I was in awe) let alone flying the things - then I went and got killed + podded 2 hours later I quit EVE some time after that and only came back about 2yrs ago, pretty much fully specced in the Nighthawk now - but I can't even get in a Raven ... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Akita T	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2008 03:20:52 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Is this Jenny Mk-III? I am losing count. I think it's personality number 6 already, maybe even a 7. It stopped being funny by personality 4 or so tho'. Back on topic, even if I'm trained reasonably for battleship usage (not good, just reasonably, most of my 31+ mil SP are in "some other stuff"), I still prefer to fly battlecruisers or even smaller craft. Matter of fact, I can count the number of times I've actually flown a battleship on my fingers (and no, I didn't lose any, but was pretty damn close once). 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Corduroy Rab	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:20:00 - [17] I don't consider myself to be a "vet" but it took me about 5 months from when I started to get into a Battleship, for strictly mission running and 0.0 ratting purposes. At that point I would not have considered my skills as Battleship pvp worthy, though I did manage to fight off a Hurricane that tried to pop me in a belt once.
Jinx Barker	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. What "vets" your character has been sold and re-sold more times than a Bangkok hooker! http://jinxbarker.blogspot.com/Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Akkarin Pagan Raddick Explorations Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:31:00 - [19] I took about 6 months to get into a BS, and proceeded to get it nuked in my first lvl 4 mission about 2 hours later :( Luckily a rich corp mate gave me the isk to buy and insure a Tempest after that. I still sucked at BS until about 6 months ago, and I've still got some skills to get to lvl 5 before I'm happy with where I am for pvping (can do level 4s in all races BS now, just overly quickly for some of them.) My progression was frigate -> Destroyer -> Cruiser -> Industrial -> Battlecruiser -> T2 frigates -> BS. Even now, I think I have spent the most time flying Cyclones out of all the ships! Akkarin I don't mean to sound bitter and twisted, but I am, so that's how it comes out. <3 - Immy
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. What "vets" your character has been sold and re-sold more times than a Bangkok hooker! There is plenty of slightly more than anecdotal evidence that the character was never sold, and the original owner's just playing the multiple personality disorder sham on us for giggles. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Siege	Posted - 2008.04.05 03:53:00 - [21] There are two different things at play here. One is actually flying a battleship, which can be done in about a month or two. The other is being effective in a battleship, which takes at LEAST a year. Cruisers you can get into within a week. Flying them well takes a couple months. I've been playing on and off since day 1, and I actually fly battleships very rarely unless there is a specific need for one. I probably got into them after about 6 months, and they just sat in the hanger for another 6. Too cumbersome, particularly back in the days before warp-to-zero. Recons, HAC's and Battlecruisers are much more versatile. Interceptors are also very fun ships. Destroyers are a waste of time and isk right now. IF you aren't interested in bigger ships, I highly recommend going for Cruiser 5 and opening up the world of recons, HAC's, and heavy interdictors. You'll love the Vagabond and Rapier. ------ begin signature ----- Little known Eve fact, The original race names were: Amarr Empire, Caldar Empire, Minmatar Republic, The Jovians, and The Remanaquie Federation.
Soulita	Posted - 2008.04.05 04:19:00 - [22] Hmm, dont remember exactly how long it took me to get into a BS. Was in a cruiser - the then very popular Thorax - fairly quick, thanks to a corp mate who gave one to me for free. Still have that Thorax, its now t2 fit of course. Love to fly it sometimes. Have not forgotten that favour nor who gave it to me. Got in a BS after about 6 months I think. Give or take a month or two. That Dominix was a present from the Ceo of the corp I was in at that time, could not have afforded one myself. Was a very big present, also still very thankfull for that great gift. Unfortunatly this Dominix got blown up, so its not around anymore. Still, I fell in love with the domi class ship, and have flown Dominixes ever since. Still do today. I would say I am pretty much perfectly skilled to fly this ship now. Took well over a year till I felt I had the primary and secondary skills to use the ship very well. Currently I have all skills no matter how remotly related to flying a domi up to lvl5. That still takes well over a year I think. But if you work in gangs, then nowadays it is quick to get into a BS and use it effectively. Even a well skilled vet might have problems killing of 2 or 3 relative noobs with the same ship. But the main difference now to back then is the relative cost of a BS. Back in the day a BS was an investment similar to a carrier now. Today new players can often afford BSs very quickly, and the loss of one is not so bad. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Ben Derindar	Posted - 2008.04.05 04:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Slade Trillgon I was interested in how long did the old pilots fly in frigates before they were in destroyers/cruisers/BC's/and finally battle ships to give me a gauge for my own personal progression. When I began the game there were no such things as destroyers or battlecruisers, and no T2 ships at all, though interceptors weren't far off. There were also no missile support skills to speak of, i.e. no Rapid Launch, Warhead Upgrades, etc, so anyone aiming for a Raven in particular had a somewhat easier time of it than they do now. So with relatively few options back then it was considered acceptable to be in a BS at around 4-5 mil SP, but of course many people made a beeline for them anyway. IIRC, I was the last in my first corp to hop into one at about 3 mil SP. These days though with so many more skills and ships to train for along the way, I would probably double the earlier SP recommendation, to around 8-10 mil SP at least. /Ben http://wildman.orcon.net.nz Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Dirk Magnum	Posted - 2008.04.05 04:58:00 - [24] Second request for Chribba to buy the Jenny account. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Rawr Cristina	Posted - 2008.04.05 05:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Second request for Chribba to buy the Jenny account. Would be boring. No thread is complete without a Jenny post IMO. Not even Chribba can do better ... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Zeba	Posted - 2008.04.05 05:04:00 - [26] My latest alt was in a BS on the 9th day. Too bad the lol dps small guns and non-existant tank kinda makes it pointless. The mining yield was ok though. Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
Bei Bao	Posted - 2008.04.05 05:06:00 - [27] I lost my first bs in 36 hours, needless to say that with 4 months in the game i sucked at flying it. Still havent finished bs 5 and i dont like bs in general. New players nowadays fly them and loose the far to easy. Great for my kb stats tho. (this is a alt cuz if my corpies find out i dont have bs 5 they will laugh for days; its 25% done damn u all )
F'nog	Posted - 2008.04.05 06:28:00 - [28] I started in Feb 03 and got my first BS in June, maybe. But I quickly grew bored with it for combat, not mining though, as I was as effective, if not more so, in my cruisers. That character still sticks with sub-BS ships. I wouldn't have even bothered getting it except that most of the people in CLS were getting them, and since I was a senior member with certain responsibilities at the time I figured I should have a BS if all my subordinates did. If I hadn't been in that position I wouldn't have bothered. I only really got into BSes with F'nog after spending a lot of time in 0.0 and being useless with most of my cruisers there (I'm talking PvE here. I was useless in everything in PvP). Of course we had far fewer choices back then, so the gap between cruiser and BS was pretty big. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
BloodBird Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.05 07:22:00 - [29] Player age, amount of skillpoints and the time of getting a BS is not a solid formula. Personaly, I had BS skills (able to fly one) after... think it was about 3 months. I started out as a production specialized player for my first noob corp, I had no clue about EVE and learned relatively slowly because of our isolasionist tendencies. After a while though we needed combat able pilots so I started down the path to PVP, never looked back. Had skills for a BS after 3 months, give or take a week. Money however, was an issue. After about 5 months we managed to gather funds for my BS (many others had got one allready, corp worked together to gather minerals and I built them for our members) and my first Mega was flying about. I remember that the fitting was HORRIBLE because I had no clue whatsoever how to fit one. (Pair of T1 heavy missile launchers comes to mind) Luckily for me I never lost it, it was sold to cover other expenses. Despite the fact I've played for 2.5 years+ I've been in only 10 battleships by now. First was sold, second was given away, third was sold after some use, fourth was ganked by about 5 HAC's, (auch) nr's 6 to 9 have been lost but in nice combat situations so I'm happy, still got my 10th BS, a geddon, fitted and ready to go. Of note is the fact it's got a T2 tank along with T2 drones and very well named gear in mids (by choice) but only named guns. There is a very long list of skills useful for flying a BS and I've got alot of them left to learn, when/if I can be bothered. As for a progression timeline, I think mine was frigate->cruiser-Hauler->BC-BS, and LOADS of stuff after that, like T2 frigates (AF's) and others. I've had battleship skills for the vast majority of my EVE-life but only recently skilled for them more intensively as I can actually afford them now. A new player today, I'd say, if they aim for the ship class... hmm, maybe 3 weeks, roughtly? After 3 weeks they would be able to fly the ship, I think. THEN we could start arguing how WELL, but that's been covered nicely by now. You seem to have the right idea though. Taking it slow, getting skills up for frigates/destroyers/cruisers etc first, and support skills and so on, before jumping on the bigger=better wagon. Because anyone with a speck of experiance will tell you, as have been told allready I think, it's not true. at all. Sig source
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.05 07:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. Look a new Jenny! It's the "Get this Jenny a Speak and spell" Jenny! ------------------Sig-------------------------- Goons' greatest Pubbie!
General Oni	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:01:00 - [31] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. Look a new Jenny! It's the "Get this Jenny a Speak and spell" Jenny! Naa. You've heard of Lolcats? Well now it seems we have a Loljenny.
slothe	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:02:00 - [32] think it took me a year before i was happily in a (turret) bs. you can jump in a raven quicker i think. ive known players that only jumped in one after 2 years, and others that refuse to fly them at all. ]
Karlemgne	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:22:00 - [33] I don't want to be an alarmist, or a poo-pooist, but... after one year, nine months, and eight days and over 30,000,000 sps I am still not able to fly a large number of ships. I can fly a mean Astarte, Sleipnir, Hurricane, Domi, and Megathron, but I couldn't fly a Minmatar BS, or even get into a recon. As for a time line? I don't know what to tell you really, because when I started playing characters got 60k skill points at creation. Hitting a million was a big deal back then. Having said that, in about 6 months I could fly a Dominix into pvp situations and be competent. Of course it was a NOS domi, which didn't require me to train for large turrets/missiles and I didn't have drone interfacing 5 or heavy drones 5, but I could fly it competently. It all really depends on what you want to fly, and what you want to do with what you fly. Getting into a BS immediately to pvp isn't a great idea, but I'm sure if you are only interested in running missions, you'd be fine getting into one soon. -Karlemgne
Karlemgne	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Feng Schui Edited by: Feng Schui on 04/04/2008 23:51:37 My main character (Feng) didn't fly battleships till he was over a year old, and even then, it was only for missions. I'm only flying a Battleship in pvp now since my preferred ship cannot tank sentries very well (his damage still sucks for pvp though). My alt character, who will be running missions, is in a battleship with 2 weeks of training. He doesn't do level 4's quite as comfortably as Feng, however, I know how to pull the rats so I don't die. Experience > SP in these regards. edit: as far as total amounts, he is sitting at 2.5 million skill points, with 1.2 million in research skills You might be a dude in real life, but don't look now, Fend is a chick. Given that wouldn't the more appropriate pronoun be "he"? :-) -K
Sokratesz	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:27:00 - [35] I toyed around in a cormorant untill i had monies to buy a ferox, two weeks maybe, then did lvl 3 missions for another few weeks to get a raven. Lost it on my first lvl 4 mission =P Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Yes i know i spelled COAD wrong. Stop mailing me about it I refuse to read SHC
Karlemgne	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:31:00 - [36] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. What "vets" your character has been sold and re-sold more times than a Bangkok hooker! There is plenty of slightly more than anecdotal evidence that the character was never sold, and the original owner's just playing the multiple personality disorder sham on us for giggles. /This ffs I've been saying this for awhile, nobody listens.
Ruah Piskonit	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:35:00 - [37] I stuck with the Punisher for a long time, maby 6 months for PvP, in pve I moved to the Maller in 3 weeks and stuck there for a good 6 months before I was in a battleship. Battleships were a little rare when I started, and 100 mil was a lot of money to me. ---- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Ioci Ioci Exploration Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:13:00 - [38] BS now and BS then aren't the same thing. Worry about your fittings first. When you can outfit a Raven in T2 fittings, fly a Raven. Or an Abaddon, make your choice but the ship is not as valuable as the set up. Base BS or noob BS are sitting ducks. Armor resists suck, lock speeds suck, speed is hideous, maneuverability is cruel. Eve left the bigger is better concept behind when T2 was born. Honest? Get in a Command ship. You will have alot more fun.
Seldaaria	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Benco97 A long long time, never was interested in the big ships and there wasn't as much variation back then so I just did almost everything in my MKV (Which took me SEVENTY TWO days to train) MKV? All these acronym's are rather annoying...
BloodBird	Posted - 2008.04.05 10:20:00 - [40] Originally by: Seldaaria Originally by: Benco97 A long long time, never was interested in the big ships and there wasn't as much variation back then so I just did almost everything in my MKV (Which took me SEVENTY TWO days to train) MKV? All these acronym's are rather annoying... MKV - Mark V (Iteron mk5, I think) Might just be wrong though. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Sig source
Fink Angel	Posted - 2008.04.05 10:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. You are getting really, really annoying with this ridiculousness. Any no, that isn't how dyslexia presents itself, so don't try that one again. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Lord Evangelian The White Mantle	Posted - 2008.04.05 11:57:00 - [42] For me, I waited untill I could fit a full T2 set on my BS with out any aids with T2 drones before I flew BS seriously. I also made sure I specced in T2 ships up to BS becuase the skills help with the ability to fly other ships, like Engnering Electronics Advanced wepon upgrades ect -------------------- The White Mantle
Mazare Mircea The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.05 12:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. Took me more than 1yr to get into BS's, and I'm not really that 'vet'. ----- Do androids dream of electric sheep ?
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.04.05 13:02:00 - [44] First of all there were no battlecruisers, second battleships were a major investment and I remembered it hurt losing them. NPC were puny back then but so were we, then as now you didn't need big ships to hunt in 0.0. I only ever fly battleships when I have to, which isn't often. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
SwindonBadger	Posted - 2008.04.05 14:24:00 - [45] Created char with a few others (who worked in the same games comapany)after the game was just relased. We made a small corp, one guy went the trading route, I went down the mining route and the other npcing. Thats pritty much all u could do but it was all new and fun. Hi lights were watching one guy earn enough for a bs and dye hauling his trade more then once and getting my first thorax and spawn chaining a gallent cruiser spawn with the npcing guy till m0o came along and we had to run away, heavly outnumberd and looking at 3 hours worth of loot (we could not even kill the spawn chain lol). Got my first domi lost to disconect before insured. Join IT mined and small scale pvp till I left for 6 months. Rejoined BA/QDF days. Bs were now allot more commen and I could make isk ok ratting in 0.0 rather then mining. Pvp wise it started solo with 2 mwd thorax 1600 plate and heavy drones. The only ship I found worked against the raiding pirates in 2 mwd ruptures and the cap issue change made it work. Hi lights were early days fighting BE in 2mwd ravens and cruise laucher Kessies to fleet fights, most favourable moments fighting ruskies and bob. Using T2 guns was key at these times and learing how to load grids. I left again to rejoin months later and went the pirate/nomad route. No pollatics (bob were blue and that ment no dencent pew pew). Capitols were emerging when I came back and we had hacs afs ( I loved enyo ). the change to nomad from allaince was a step welcome, and soon the triad merged with BA to form OB. At this point u could make isk in a number of ways. I did get into fleet bs, but really to me I like flying not just coming out of warp and aligning. So I played the scoute, the tackler and scavenger. I have put all my training into small ships, mainly Tranis sabre, crow ew frigs and just recenlty something a little bigger, a vagga. I preffer the inty the most since the sabre got nerffed :) and life for these pilots is pritty much what it was when they came out. "Hi lights" Fleet fights v BoB ie the good old fasioned bs slug, suporting a mom in chaos, trapping waves of enemies with bubles but most of all solo scouting. Pre added rigs and nanos for speed inties could still fly at 4 to 9 kps and not die easliy to bs guns... if u imagne taking a rails ranis thats slower then a handfull of std crows (rasta rocket man 07) but the closing speed they have is something u can handle .... its about as fun as can be. All this time and I also canot fly comand ships yet .. ) I think Id like a mach to be my best ever ship and nothing bigger, I can get that bs skill but the longer I leave it the more special it will be. That one ship can cause so much fighing once a succses full "bump" has occered I sugest going down the route of say a bs and something fast as 2 routes. If u do want to get into large capitols at some point ull need bs lev 5.... but if u want to be manouvable u have a few choices. Hac = Vagga ishtar/ zellot but could easliy become just vagga with a patch. Recons/covert opps inties dictors and ew frigs. If u want good suport ships then command ships, and logistics ships. U will also need to make a dessions on do I join a pirate corp/mining corp allaince and in doing so narrow your choices. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Eat Them all, let the digestion sort em out
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.04.05 15:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. You are getting really, really annoying with this ridiculousness. Any no, that isn't how dyslexia presents itself, so don't try that one again. ^^This. And I noticed that is not how dyslexia presents either...even had a fair post going on about it then decided best not to encourage her or get in a debate over what dyslexia is and is not here. Glad someone else noticed though. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Elles D	Posted - 2008.04.05 15:22:00 - [47] I bought my first battleship two weeks old, it was a stab raven with heavy launchers and i don't regret it one little bit Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
The Judge D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.05 15:48:00 - [48] As far as i remember battleships were available from day 1 of eve, just that nobody had the skills or isk to fly them for a while. Anyway took me a couple months to get the isk together, ninja mining in 0.0 in a thorax took a while, and it wasn't actually that well known at the time that you could tank the rats in belts whilst mining. Then took several more months to get the real skills you need to fly a battleship properly, again this was before advanced learning skills so took longer. Remember seeing my first battleship, was an Armageddon and there was no 'Look at' feature back then, so you actually had to fly up to the ship to see it and they were huge.
Something Random Aliastra	Posted - 2008.04.05 16:07:00 - [49] I started mining for my first battleship from day one really - well probably day 5 once id woke up to the possibilities. I think it took maybe 2 months to step into my first BS, and no i couldnt fly it right but it didnt stop me going ratting in low sec and mining in it in low sec. It was a megathron, and all the apoc owners laughed at me - now that shows its age.
Brolly Atkumi Corp	Posted - 2008.04.05 16:28:00 - [50] I waited for over a year until I got a bs, it wasn't really an issue as I was having fun training all races frigs and cruisers Don't get why so many peeps go straight for bs's with gimped setups, it's counter productive imho
Karlemgne	Posted - 2008.04.05 17:26:00 - [51] Originally by: Ioci BS now and BS then aren't the same thing. Worry about your fittings first. When you can outfit a Raven in T2 fittings, fly a Raven. Or an Abaddon, make your choice but the ship is not as valuable as the set up. Base BS or noob BS are sitting ducks. Armor resists suck, lock speeds suck, speed is hideous, maneuverability is cruel. Eve left the bigger is better concept behind when T2 was born. Honest? Get in a Command ship. You will have alot more fun. Not necessarily true. I have can fly command ships, and I love my command ships, believe me. I also love my battleships. And lets put it like this, when I lose my command ship, I generally lose about 350 million of fittings ship and rigs. When I lose a battleship, because of insurance, I'm only really losing maybe 180 million... if that. This makes me a lot braver, and thus I often have more fun, when I'm flying a BS. -Karlemgne
Benco97	Posted - 2008.04.05 17:31:00 - [52] Originally by: BloodBird Originally by: Seldaaria Originally by: Benco97 A long long time, never was interested in the big ships and there wasn't as much variation back then so I just did almost everything in my MKV (Which took me SEVENTY TWO days to train) MKV? All these acronym's are rather annoying... MKV - Mark V (Iteron mk5, I think) Might just be wrong though. Ohh, sorry about that. I didn't mean to cause any confusion and yes, I meant Iteron MK V. Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
Seldaaria	Posted - 2008.04.05 18:00:00 - [53] Originally by: BloodBird MKV - Mark V (Iteron mk5, I think) Might just be wrong though. Thanks :) Originally by: Benco97 Ohh, sorry about that. I didn't mean to cause any confusion and yes, I meant Iteron MK V. No worries, thanks for the clarification!
Toadboy	Posted - 2008.04.05 18:14:00 - [54] I didn't fly a BS for over year and a half; I thought it was more important to get my fighting skills up first (missile skills; shield skills, armor skills,etc), before investing in an expensive Battleship (plus getting the insurance to cover the eventual loss). I felt this was the way to go and really enjoyed flying cruisers.. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
nahtoh Bull Industries United For 0rder	Posted - 2008.04.05 18:47:00 - [55] Edited by: nahtoh on 05/04/2008 18:49:26 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New plaiyers flies bettelship in 3 monhts. Vets liek we flied battelship after 6 mnoths. You are getting really, really annoying with this ridiculousness. Any no, that isn't how dyslexia presents itself, so don't try that one again. ^^This. And I noticed that is not how dyslexia presents either...even had a fair post going on about it then decided best not to encourage her or get in a debate over what dyslexia is and is not here. Glad someone else noticed though. Well the defination of dyslexia has change a lot overy the years...espially in the USA...but then again you will propably advise me that I do not have it...mind it effects me in some fairly bizarre ways... On topic, about a year before I started to fly one maybe more. But my skill planning did kinda resemble "oh shiney" in its approach. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.05 18:52:00 - [56] Well back in the day bs were rare and I doubt many had a bs in 6months - mostly the skill training was not the issue, cost of buying a bs was. My 1st bs was a temp and a member of m0o brought it for me (he has long since quit). I lost that in .0 ratting and learned the value of insurance (i.e. I never had any). Not sure how long b4 I got my 2nd bs, but I remember getting back in a rupture hurt like hell. Until, I remembered what fun they were and I got my 2nd bs by running lvl 3 missions (4 were not around then)! MAFIA Website
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.05 18:54:00 - [57] Well back in the day bs were rare and I doubt many had a bs in 6months - mostly the skill training was not the issue, cost of buying a bs was. My 1st bs was a temp and a member of m0o brought it for me (he has long since quit). I lost that in .0 ratting and learned the value of insurance (i.e. I never had any). Not sure how long b4 I got my 2nd bs, but I remember getting back in a rupture hurt like hell. Until, I remembered what fun they were and I got my 2nd bs by running lvl 3 missions (4 were not around then!) As for what we had trained I had mostly gunnery skills and everything else was low... bc/hacs/af... were not in the game when I started. MAFIA Website
Dungheap Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.05 20:48:00 - [58] grats on being patient and not rushing into a ship you're not ready for. you will be much happier for it in the long run, when you can do a battleship and the weapons it uses justice. jumped in my first cruiser at 2 months or so. i tanked that blackbird quite heavily, so i thought. only to have a corpmate burn my shields back and hold me helpless in his nasty punisher. the importance of good support skills was forever etched in my brain after that, and i was 2 yrs. old before losing my first bs. *shakes fist in general direction of delve..
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.05 20:53:00 - [59] Back then you used medium guns on battleships because large wasnt in game yet And my megathron could tank 8 other battleships and 3 crusiers for 3 minutes before my friends came and whacked the other fleet. Oh, and I could use 8 wasps in my old megathron. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
zoltar	Posted - 2008.04.05 21:09:00 - [60] I have been around for 5 years. When i started everyone was in frigates. Took around a month to get into a cruiser. Mining was everything and the best miner was the apoc. we got them asap, our first member got one after maybe 3 months. I was one of the first in a BS. I will miss that feeling of everyone going crazy with excitement just for seeing a BS when you warp to the station or undock. My first was the armageddon. I think this was the highlight of EVE for me. I had way too much fun. I sill wonder how much isk the guy that got that first miner II bpo made. he had the only tech 2 bpo in game for like 2 months if i remember right. they were selling for 20m a laser? and back then 20m was a months work.
Grimpak Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.05 21:22:00 - [61] FYI I've been playing EVE for 4 years. also it took me a year to fly my first BS (a typhoon). --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.06 01:22:00 - [62] I enjoy all the perspective. Thank You All O_\ Slade
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.07 12:31:00 - [63] I will try to convert the post now without starting a new thread since I have the attention of some of the older pilots. I have read a few of the posts and I have heard things like getting into a BS was a thing of prestige and it took a concerted effort for our corp to get our first pilot into a BS. My questions are... 1) Are the days of this type of glory gone due to the ever increasing number of pilots? 2) Is it correct to believe the current equivelent to BS's are Capitol ships? 3) Since it seems that only the biggest and elitest Alliances can produce these are those same feelings even possible for newer pilots to feel since we do not have a chance to get into these Alliances do to SP requirements? 4) Or are we just another drop in the water? My guess is it is whatever I make out of it, it is a game of course. Thank you all for your attention and assisting me in the past. I look forward to a long and dynamic life in EVE. I just wish I had been into gaming 4 years ago and had found EVE at the same time. See you in Space, Slade
Ansala	Posted - 2008.04.07 16:22:00 - [64] Originally by: Slade Trillgon 1) Are the days of this type of glory gone due to the ever increasing number of pilots? Yes, but not because of increasing numbers of pilots. When Eve first opened, the BS was the "end-game" ship. At the time big always trumped small. Missiles always hit for max damage (no explosion radius/velocity), sigradius and transversal was not in the game mechanics, so large turrets decimated small ships. In the early days, when you saw a playr in a BS, you knew they had hit "end-game"...a little like level capping in other games. But after about six months CCP began, and has been working very hard since, to avoid having an "end-game" type of ship. So, yes, those days are gone, but it is because of CCP's efforts a balance and ensuring all ships have counters, and that the big, expensive toys are vulnerable to smaller, less expensive ships. Originally by: Slade Trillgon 2) Is it correct to believe the current equivelent to BS's are Capitol ships? Only in some ways. I'm still amused when I see posts saying "how should I fit my carrier" and responses of "if you don't know how, then you shouldn't be flying such an expensive ship!" The exact same posts would fly around regarding BS fittings. So some attitudes are the same. But in the early days the BS was pretty much universally useful and desirable with few counters except another BS. The BS was the next step after cruisers that almost everyone was going to take. So when you saw someone in the rare BS, almost everyone said "Wow, I want to be there!" There really aren't any ships like that now. Caps are more roll-specific. Originally by: Slade Trillgon 3) Since it seems that only the biggest and elitest Alliances can produce these are those same feelings even possible for newer pilots to feel since we do not have a chance to get into these Alliances do to SP requirements? I don't think Eve now allows anyone to reproduce the feeling of the first BS pilots; those days are gone. The game mechanics are simply too different, and it is seems very counter to CCP's direction to introduce ships that have capabilities relative to other ships similar to that of the early day BS. Originally by: Slade Trillgon 4) Or are we just another drop in the water? Yes, for good or bad, we are all just drops of water. There is no uber end-game ship in Eve. Instead CCP is working towards end-game "gangs" where the individual is just a cog in the machine. Originally by: Slade Trillgon My guess is it is whatever I make out of it, it is a game of course. Thank you all for your attention and assisting me in the past. I look forward to a long and dynamic life in EVE. I just wish I had been into gaming 4 years ago and had found EVE at the same time. See you in Space, Slade
AKULA UrQuan STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.04.07 16:50:00 - [65] Bit over a year for me to get into a PvE Raven. In fact I sat on the caldari BS skillbook for 6 months before pluging it in. Three months later I was able to fly fleet fit Megathrons/Rokhs. Ended up haveing to leave eve for 10 months and I still have about three months of training left to flesh out the gallente/caldari BS skills to my satisfaction. Then I got another 6-8 months of clearing out prerequisites before even thinking about a dred. Now if you really rush it getting into a BS can be done in under 30 days easy now. Not haveing the support skills in place will hamper you when you first try to use it.
Pantaloon McPants Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.07 17:16:00 - [66] being a veteran of eve for over 22 years, back in my day we didnt even have space ships thats how veteran i am anyway .. you should have your base skills to 5 most other skills to 4 and your good to go, this could take anywhere from 8 to 12 months. your welcome.
Sqalevon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.04.07 18:12:00 - [67] I spend a few days in a corp Probe wich I used for mining, then I bought myself a Rifter and a Hoarder and did some hauling and mining, after a month I got myself into my first cruiser and it must have taken at least a year before I got into my first BS, a Typhoon. I was more an Industrial pilot then anything in those days. Used to make millions collecting loot with my Mammoth. I still can't fly capitals since I lack the skills but I have all the prereqs.
MEBHansen Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.04.07 18:22:00 - [68] can't remember just how long it was, before I were in BS, but I never forget the first time I saw one. It was an Apocalypse, and I was in a Punisher. It came out of warp right next to me, and it was a OMFG HUGE MOFO ship compared to my frigg, wich I thought was large enough.
Galen Salkor	Posted - 2008.04.07 18:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Slade Trillgon I will try to convert the post now without starting a new thread since I have the attention of some of the older pilots. I have read a few of the posts and I have heard things like getting into a BS was a thing of prestige and it took a concerted effort for our corp to get our first pilot into a BS. My questions are... 1) Are the days of this type of glory gone due to the ever increasing number of pilots? I've been here since May 14th, 2003, and I would have to say yes but I don't feel it is due to the number of pilots. My opinion is that it is because ISK is far too easy to get. They made certain items expensive so in order for 0.0 to be 'colonized', ISK became easier to earn to buy these things to expand that direction. Unfortunately 0.0 then becomes a little more crowded because not every system in 0.0 is one someone wants to be in. Who would want to be in a system with only 1 or 2 belts anyway? I'm probably not the only one who remembers the big news about the first player battleship being built. Or the news about the first outpost. You don't hear about stuff like that anymore because anyone and their grandma can do it due to ISK flowing like water now. It takes relatively no time at all for even a small group of players to build up the ISK they need for something like a capital ship whereas it used to take considerable time to do the same just for a cruiser and battleship. Originally by: Slade Trillgon 2) Is it correct to believe the current equivelent to BS's are Capitol ships? I doubt I am alone in saying yes. The way capital ships are working is the way battleships were originally described 5 years ago with one exception. A single individual can buy one of these things. They will need someone to generate a cynosural field to move around but a single person could easily buy them. Back in the day, battleships were described as something owned by a corporation and requiring maintenance. Originally by: Slade Trillgon 3) Since it seems that only the biggest and elitest Alliances can produce these are those same feelings even possible for newer pilots to feel since we do not have a chance to get into these Alliances do to SP requirements? 4) Or are we just another drop in the water? When capital ships were first coming out, I already had all the skill levels required for the skills needed to get into one. Unfortunately since they were not seeded on SISI, I trained it on tranquality. Biggest waste of training I ever did. I needed advanced spaceship command at V and advanced weapon upgrades V to use the first of the capital ships out (dreadnaughts). Unfortunately dreadnaughts are only useful for one thing. Sieging POSs. POSs, btw, sounded great the way they were first advertised but were then poorly implemented when they came out which I feel lead to a need have dreadnaughts. So being good for only one thing, they largely sit in your hanger doing nothing while you spent around 2 months training the skills to get into one. Later came carriers which have far better uses than dreadnaughts but again, you largely sit around and don't do much. What I am really saying is new players should not even feel compelled to get into a capital ship. When you get into one, you feel like you got shafted out of all that time you spent training for them.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.08 19:52:00 - [70] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 08/04/2008 19:53:00 Once again thank you all for your further input. O_\ I am becoming ever more satisfied with my choices to stick with frigate/destroyer/cruiser specialization. Oh, Soon I will be a super nasty tackler. Next question, Am I a rare breed of pilot that finds tackling quite entertaining? Or does the novalty of tackling ware off? The smaller ships may not be the isk producers that BS's are but I definatley prefer warping to the scout and being one of the 1st to pop into a combat scenario. Slade
Gerry TheViking Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.11 15:10:00 - [71] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New players fly battleships in 3 months. Vets like us fly a battleship after 6 months. People that fly battleships after two months are cannonfodder for experienced players in excellent fitted frigates. You can tell them 100 times here in the forum they wont believe it. .
Sethra Levode Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.04.11 15:57:00 - [72] Edited by: Sethra Levode on 11/04/2008 15:57:22 Originally by: Gerry TheViking Originally by: Jenny Spitfire New players fly battleships in 3 months. Vets like us fly a battleship after 6 months. People that fly battleships after two months are cannonfodder for experienced players in excellent fitted frigates. You can tell them 100 times here in the forum they wont believe it. . There was a thread on the New Citizens forum yesterday where someone saying they are flying two races BS in 2 months of game time. Love the alt post

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