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Nyabinghi
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.04.06 05:53:00 -
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Good article on Griefers in the virtual world with some mention of Goons in EVE. Read it here:
WIRED Article
In my opinion between Macroers and Griefers MMOs are beginning to loose their attraction. Seriously, who's got the time and money to put up with this B.S.?
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2008.04.06 05:57:00 -
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it's not grieving if it's an intended game mechanic .
that's like someone getting ****ed for grief tactics in counterstrike for being shot.
Sorry not the same thing.
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Marcus TheMartin
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:04:00 -
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Don't let the airlock hit you on the way out
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Nyabinghi
Good article on Griefers in the virtual world with some mention of Goons in EVE. Read it here:
WIRED Article
In my opinion between Macroers and Griefers MMOs are beginning to loose their attraction. Seriously, who's got the time and money to put up with this B.S.?
I object to your cretinous use of language, punctuation and spelling.
Get out.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:11:00 -
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Zero points to Gryffindor for this thread tbh.
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
it's not grieving if it's an intended game mechanic .
that's like someone getting ****ed for grief tactics in counterstrike for being shot.
Sorry not the same thing.
That's a pretty semantic argument to begin with, so hopefully I can be forgiven for asking this: isn't that like saying that since prostitution is legal in Nevada there are therefore no hookers in Vegas?
Note that I have no interest in bringing that up beyond being a **** stirrer.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:21:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 06/04/2008 06:21:53
Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: MotherMoon
it's not grieving if it's an intended game mechanic .
that's like someone getting ****ed for grief tactics in counterstrike for being shot.
Sorry not the same thing.
That's a pretty semantic argument to begin with, so hopefully I can be forgiven for asking this: isn't that like saying that since prostitution is legal in Nevada there are therefore no hookers in Vegas?
Note that I have no interest in bringing that up beyond being a **** stirrer.
no no I understand your point.
but lets spin that another way. Blackberry,s (the fruit not the phone) are rare in texas, however in RI they are EVERYWHERE, well not that much but lots of free blackberrys whenever you want in some places.
does this make blackberry's rare? no it makes them rare in Texas.
and you point about the hookers? well if that's true then yes eve has griefers. it does, for instance resently brought up shooting someone while they are repping you thus cause conchord to kill both of you no matter what.
can baiting noobs.
Lots of other stuff like this that CCP doesn't want in the game, these are the people your looking for.
However it's just playing the game normally for everything else. If being nice was considered an exploit by CCP I would say that would make nice people in that game griefers for using run around of the game mecanhics to be nice. those bastards.
point is it all has to do with where you are and what is normal... so I guess form any other online community it might seems like griefing but it's not. like women that cover there faces all the time, it's normal to them and not a bad thing or a mean thing. we might see it as one but to them it's normal.
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Markilios
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:21:00 -
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Interesting article... Anyone think this type of behavior from the goons would merit RL repercussions? (As in outside of the game)
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Marcus TheMartin
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Markilios
Interesting article... Anyone think this type of behavior from the goons would merit RL repercussions? (As in outside of the game)
Only if some world leader likes to mine in highsec
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Everyone Dies
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Markilios
Interesting article... Anyone think this type of behavior from the goons would merit RL repercussions? (As in outside of the game)
Yeah they are going to get arrested by the rl miner suicide/forum trolling police.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nyabinghi
In my opinion between Macroers and Griefers MMOs are beginning to loose their attraction. Seriously, who's got the time and money to put up with this B.S.?
Dunno about other mmo's but..
A) Eve is all about griefing. The whole concept of the game is built around that one idea.
B) Macroers. lol. Yes we may have some and yes CCP doesn't like that they sell isk for rl moneys but the impact they have on the market is infintesimal at best. I'm fairly certain the real honest miners outnumber the macro miners 1000 to 1 or even bigger regardless of what others may say.
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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umop 3pisdn
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:37:00 -
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I like that article, particularly the dong procession during the serious internet interview thing, thats awesome.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:40:00 -
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That whole article stinks of carebears.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:45:00 -
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Griefers are just doing their jobs. EVE is a niche game, in that there a lot of niche roles to fill. It's like an ecosystem, everyone is just doing the role they fit. Bears have their role, pirates have their role, griefers theirs, etc.
In other words, don't hate the playah, hate the game.
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Dirk Magnum
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: umop 3pisdn
dong procession
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Zero points to Gryffindor for this thread tbh.
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Markilios
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: WIRED Mag
People laughed at those attacks, but for Prokofy Neva, another well-known Second Life real estate entrepreneur, no amount of humor or creativity can excuse what she sees as "terrorism." Prokofy (Catherine Fitzpatrick in real life, a Manhattan resident, mother of two, and Russian translator and human-rights worker by trade) earns a modest but bankable income renting out her Second Life properties, and griefing attacks aimed at her, she says, have rattled some tenants enough to make them cancel their leases. Which is why her response to those who defend her griefers as anything but glorified criminals is blunt: "****, this is a denial-of-service attack ... it's anti-civilization ... it's wrong ... it costs me hundreds of US dollars."
Of course, this attitude delights the terrorists in question, and they've made Prokofy a favorite target. The 51-year-old Fitzpatrick's avatar is male, but Goons got ahold of a photo of her, and great sport has been made of it ever since. One build featured a giant Easter Island head of Fitzpatrick spitting out screenshots of her blog. Another time, Prokofy teleported into one of her rental areas and had the "very creepy" experience of seeing her own face looking straight down from a giant airborne image overhead.
Apparently the "group" in question has taken it beyond simple griefing. Im not really considering how goofy or how intelligent it is to make real life money by means of video game. (Isnt that what CCP is doing?) Rather Im curious about whether or not it should be considered legally (or otherwise) ignorable.
Originally by: WIRED Mag
Originally by: Isaiah Houston aka Commander Sesfan Qu'lah of GoonFleet
"The ability to inflict that huge amount of actual, real-life damage on someone is amazingly satisfying" says Houston. "The way that you win in EVE is you basically make life so miserable for someone else that they actually quit the game and don't come back."
And the only way to make someone that miserable is to destroy whatever virtual thing they've sunk the most real time, real money, and, above all, real emotion into. Find the player who's flying the biggest, baddest spaceship and paid for it with the proceeds of hundreds of hours mining asteroids, then blow that spaceship up. "That's his life investment right there," Houston says.
So to say that this is not a real-life attack would be the common viewpoint for those reading this thread? (As in it didnt happen to you, so "Who cares?")
Right now Im simply curious about awareness and what the common perception of this type of thing is.
Would you still say that it is not worthy of real-life repercussions?
Might I suggest you read the entire Article?
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Erotic Irony
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Markilios
Originally by: WIRED Mag
People laughed at those attacks, but for Prokofy Neva, another well-known Second Life real estate entrepreneur, no amount of humor or creativity can excuse what she sees as "terrorism." Prokofy (Catherine Fitzpatrick in real life, a Manhattan resident, mother of two, and Russian translator and human-rights worker by trade) earns a modest but bankable income renting out her Second Life properties, and griefing attacks aimed at her, she says, have rattled some tenants enough to make them cancel their leases. Which is why her response to those who defend her griefers as anything but glorified criminals is blunt: "****, this is a denial-of-service attack ... it's anti-civilization ... it's wrong ... it costs me hundreds of US dollars."
Of course, this attitude delights the terrorists in question, and they've made Prokofy a favorite target. The 51-year-old Fitzpatrick's avatar is male, but Goons got ahold of a photo of her, and great sport has been made of it ever since. One build featured a giant Easter Island head of Fitzpatrick spitting out screenshots of her blog. Another time, Prokofy teleported into one of her rental areas and had the "very creepy" experience of seeing her own face looking straight down from a giant airborne image overhead.
Apparently the "group" in question has taken it beyond simple griefing. Im not really considering how goofy or how intelligent it is to make real life money by means of video game. (Isnt that what CCP is doing?) Rather Im curious about whether or not it should be considered legally (or otherwise) ignorable.
Originally by: WIRED Mag
Originally by: Isaiah Houston aka Commander Sesfan Qu'lah of GoonFleet
"The ability to inflict that huge amount of actual, real-life damage on someone is amazingly satisfying" says Houston. "The way that you win in EVE is you basically make life so miserable for someone else that they actually quit the game and don't come back."
And the only way to make someone that miserable is to destroy whatever virtual thing they've sunk the most real time, real money, and, above all, real emotion into. Find the player who's flying the biggest, baddest spaceship and paid for it with the proceeds of hundreds of hours mining asteroids, then blow that spaceship up. "That's his life investment right there," Houston says.
So to say that this is not a real-life attack would be the common viewpoint for those reading this thread? (As in it didnt happen to you, so "Who cares?")
Right now Im simply curious about awareness and what the common perception of this type of thing is.
Would you still say that it is not worthy of real-life repercussions?
Might I suggest you read the entire Article?
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Asuka Smith
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:08:00 -
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If a country ever passes a law about griefing in a videogame I am going to stop mining and start the revolution.
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Markilios
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:13:00 -
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But would you be part of the revolution that destroys griefers in the game that they are terrorizing?
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Evita Achura
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nyabinghi
Good article on Griefers in the virtual world with some mention of Goons in EVE. Read it here:
WIRED Article
In my opinion between Macroers and Griefers MMOs are beginning to loose their attraction. Seriously, who's got the time and money to put up with this B.S.?
While I find the article mildly amusing for the fact that it confuses intended non consensual pvp with grieffing, I find the article equally distasteful because goons, bob, and other such attention whoring groups should never be given a spotlight. As for you and your opinions... your stuff can I have it when you leave?
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Erik Amirault
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:20:00 -
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Look how stupid you all are.
Look.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:20:00 -
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many carebears call me greifer becasue they joined a PvP game and they dont want to pvp... so im a greifer :)
hi carebears... some of you will be next :D
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:24:00 -
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Quote:
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
[well put, see above]
I'm too tired atm to do much other than excrete a few one- liners but I actually don't want to bail on that one because it made me think.
Without trying and failing to put something coherent together on that I'll just say that I'm more inclined to agree with Zeba: "griefing" isn't obviated by the game mechanics but rather it's co- opted by them in my opinion.
I'm sure there will be another thread on the subject reasonably soon; hopefully I'll be smarter by then. =O)
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Polonium 210
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Markilios
Apparently the "group" in question has taken it beyond simple griefing. Im not really considering how goofy or how intelligent it is to make real life money by means of video game. (Isnt that what CCP is doing?) Rather Im curious about whether or not it should be considered legally (or otherwise) ignorable.
You really have no clue what this group relly could do to her if they really wanted to take it beyond simple griefing. She shold be happy with what happened. Could be much worse for her, there are examples in the internets
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:29:00 -
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if it involves "griefing" furries then I applaud
people like furries prevent me from enjoying the real world to its full extent.
and i think this was in oop a while ago
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Wet Ferret
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim
That whole article stinks of carebears.
Ah, Carebears. The only word in EVE that is misused as much as the word "griefers".
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Wet Ferret
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Wet Ferret on 06/04/2008 07:36:01
I changed my mind, I don't even care. lol
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Erik Amirault
Look how stupid you all are.
Look.
Can I be the stupidest?
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Polonium 210
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:41:00 -
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It is laughing through tears, much like recent event with epilepcy forums.
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