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Laveth
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Posted - 2008.04.09 04:56:00 -
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I would really like to see a non pvp server. Im a casual player and I only have 30min to 1 hr to play about every second day... so it takes me a long time to get things done in the game.. but i love it. what just happend to me was I was killing npc's and a player came into the same astroid belt as me and started to lock onto me. and as soon as he did.. for some crazy reason my computer just restarded.. so I booted it back up as fast as I could but when I got onto the loading part of my char it restarded my comp right over again.. did this 3 times so about 5 or 6 min had passed.. then it worked. and there I was just in a pod..this is very frustrating. I lost about 40 million isk. now for me playing an avrage of 4-6 hrs a week. you can imagin how long it takes me to get that much..it really takes the fun away from me. always looking over my sholder. anyhow I would love a server where it was just PVE.. you could even make the npc's harder or something.. please people give me your idea's of what you think...
P.S I know my spelling is bad :)
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2008.04.09 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 09/04/2008 04:59:52
 Originally by: Laveth
I would really like to see a non pvp server. Im a casual player and I only have 30min to 1 hr to play about every second day... so it takes me a long time to get things done in the game.. but i love it. what just happend to me was I was killing npc's and a player came into the same astroid belt as me and started to lock onto me. and as soon as he did.. for some crazy reason my computer just restarded.. so I booted it back up as fast as I could but when I got onto the loading part of my char it restarded my comp right over again.. did this 3 times so about 5 or 6 min had passed.. then it worked. and there I was just in a pod..this is very frustrating. I lost about 40 million isk. now for me playing an avrage of 4-6 hrs a week. you can imagin how long it takes me to get that much..it really takes the fun away from me. always looking over my sholder. anyhow I would love a server where it was just PVE.. you could even make the npc's harder or something.. please people give me your idea's of what you think...
P.S I know my spelling is bad :)
Since you are asking for my idea, the answer is NO. EVE is all about PvP, and it should stay that way. Because if you remove it, its not EVE anymore.
The same with a new server/Shard. EVE is all about one world - one universe. Remove that and you remove what makes EVE unique.
Sorry, but the answer is no.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.04.09 04:59:00 -
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Oh god.
This has to be a troll. 
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Lucas Avignon
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:03:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious
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main notworking
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:04:00 -
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well I think there should be 2 servers if you want to pvp then you can but you should not be forced into it.. some of us just dont have the time to do that.
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War Games
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: main notworking
well I think there should be 2 servers if you want to pvp then you can but you should not be forced into it.. some of us just dont have the time to do that.
It's called Sisi? (amirite?) A little buggy given it's the test server but you can't be pvped unless you want to be. Oh don't mind the skill resets... that's a feature.
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main notworking
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: main notworking on 09/04/2008 05:09:02
Well you should not have to go to a "test" server so that you can play without the fear of being killed by someone 100 times stronger then you
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Feng Schui
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:12:00 -
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no one is forcing you to undock or open up the market tab. go back to wow.
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Khalm
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: main notworking
Edited by: main notworking on 09/04/2008 05:09:02
Well you should not have to go to a "test" server so that you can play without the fear of being killed by someone 100 times stronger then you
omfg just quit..
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Minerva Vulcan
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:16:00 -
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So...
You want to be able to have your wallet bursting with ISK...
But to what purpose if there was no PvP?
Bragging rights?
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Flibbeteh
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Flibbeteh on 09/04/2008 05:18:21
A non-pvp server is worthless and dumb. I hope you realise that pvp isn't everything a player stands for. If you want "no pvp", run missions or mine. Just do it in empire space. That's what it's for. The only tradeoff is that you will not get 'good' results and loot in empire. There is better stuff in "pvp land". This risk is the reason the economy in eve even exists. To make a safe pve-haven is a lot more trouble than it's worth, but it would also ruin the qualities that eve stands for. Without especially hard or risky locations with nice things, an economy will not exist.
If you're not around enough to make a difference, then that's your problem. You shouldn't be playing a mmo in the first place, they suck up your life. Dont come on the forum and complain at something that will never happen. CCP's got enough on their plate atm than to worry about another server for those who dont play eve enough to care. One of the core punchlines of the eve team is the fact that everyone's on one playing server at a time. If only you had a taste of pvp, you would understand why your asking is impossible. If planning a ship setup isn't your thing, than this isn't the 'casual' game for you.
Also, your scenario is impossible granted you were in empire ratting. You would not be in a pod unless you shot who locked onto you beforehand.
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Well you should not have to go to a "test" server so that you can play without the fear of being killed by someone 100 times stronger then you
There is no such thing as stronger or weaker. It's a matter of what you've got at hand. That's why bigger in eve is not necessarily better. A frigate can completely anhihilate a battleship given enough time with it. Just work up your skills to one specific "field" or "purpose". If you've got those, you're guaranteed to be able to kill someone within your kill limit. Getting a cloak makes that even easier. It's then only a matter of picking your fights. |
Hannobaal
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:16:00 -
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I think Crumplecorn put it best:
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Laveth
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui
no one is forcing you to undock or open up the market tab. go back to wow.
Hmm I dont even know how to reply to that :/
I want to play then game. I really like all the aspecs to the game just not the part where I can be killed for no reason and be set back months of work... can you guys not understand that?? or are you too short sighted??
I have a family, work and kids I don't have them time that lots of you have.
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Flibbeteh
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:21:00 -
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I have a family, work and kids I don't have them time that lots of you have.
I dont mean to be an ass, but the point stands. It doesn't really matter, eve will move on. To grant your wish means to destroy what makes eve eve.
If anything, you're short sighted. You have good intention, but you should know a little more about how the game works before you make suggestions.
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main notworking
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Flibbeteh
Edited by: Flibbeteh on 09/04/2008 05:18:21
A non-pvp server is worthless and dumb. I hope you realise that pvp isn't everything a player stands for. If you want "no pvp", run missions or mine. Just do it in empire space. That's what it's for. The only tradeoff is that you will not get 'good' results and loot in empire. There is better stuff in "pvp land". This risk is the reason the economy in eve even exists. To make a safe pve-haven is a lot more trouble than it's worth, but it would also ruin the qualities that eve stands for. Without especially hard or risky locations with nice things, an economy will not exist.
If you're not around enough to make a difference, then that's your problem. You shouldn't be playing a mmo in the first place, they suck up your life. Dont come on the forum and complain at something that will never happen. CCP's got enough on their plate atm than to worry about another server for those who dont play eve enough to care. One of the core punchlines of the eve team is the fact that everyone's on one playing server at a time. If only you had a taste of pvp, you would understand why your asking is impossible. If planning a ship setup isn't your thing, than this isn't the 'casual' game for you.
Also, your scenario is impossible granted you were in empire ratting. You would not be in a pod unless you shot who locked onto you beforehand.
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Well you should not have to go to a "test" server so that you can play without the fear of being killed by someone 100 times stronger then you
There is no such thing as stronger or weaker. It's a matter of what you've got at hand. That's why bigger in eve is not necessarily better. A frigate can completely anhihilate a battleship given enough time with it. Just work up your skills to one specific "field" or "purpose". If you've got those, you're guaranteed to be able to kill someone within your kill limit. Getting a cloak makes that even easier. It's then only a matter of picking your fights.
well I want to kill npcs in a .1 or .2 zone but I cant because Ill just get killed. so I would take your sugestion and stay in a 1.0 or .9 but guess what there is nothing to kill in thos zones.. so what to do??
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War Games
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Laveth
Originally by: Feng Schui
no one is forcing you to undock or open up the market tab. go back to wow.
Hmm I dont even know how to reply to that :/
I want to play then game. I really like all the aspecs to the game just not the part where I can be killed for no reason and be set back months of work... can you guys not understand that?? or are you too short sighted??
I have a family, work and kids I don't have them time that lots of you have.
You have a family, work and kids... okay... great. Now where's the part where the game built on a PVP mentality, that has been reinforced by years and years of devs telling folks hey this is a PVP centered game, actually sink in? I mean are you that short sighted to realize that this will never ever EVER ever EVER EVER EVER eleven111!!!111 EVER be a non-pvp game?
/never going to give you up
//never going to let you down
///never going to ... oh man why is when the annoying threads make me think of that song now... hmmm there must be a link somewhere to the rick astley's voice and threads that give you headaches...
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Anaalys Fluuterby
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Laveth
I have a family, work and kids I don't have them time that lots of you have.
So do most of the rest of us.
Sorry, do you call Chevy and whine that you don't have a Hemi in your truck? Same thing.
Eve is all about PvP and a single world. What you are asking for is the destruction of everything that makes it unique. If you don't desire to worry about other players you are in the wrong game.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Hannobaal
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:26:00 -
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This must be a troll thread.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: main notworking
well I want to kill npcs in a .1 or .2 zone but I cant because Ill just get killed. so I would take your sugestion and stay in a 1.0 or .9 but guess what there is nothing to kill in thos zones.. so what to do??
If you go into lawless territory you take your chances, just like if you move to Afganistan IRL.
If you want to shoot rats without dealing with PCs shooting at you stay in .5 or higher. Learn the rules of the game, they aren't that hard.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Havok Dryke
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Havok Dryke on 09/04/2008 05:29:42
Edited by: Havok Dryke on 09/04/2008 05:29:19
Originally by: main notworking
well I want to kill npcs in a .1 or .2 zone but I cant because Ill just get killed. so I would take your sugestion and stay in a 1.0 or .9 but guess what there is nothing to kill in thos zones.. so what to do??
Missions. Do them.
EVE will never be sharded, the day it is is the day I (and many other people) quit. When you undock, you agree to PVP.
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Laveth
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Laveth
I have a family, work and kids I don't have them time that lots of you have.
So do most of the rest of us.
Sorry, do you call Chevy and whine that you don't have a Hemi in your truck? Same thing.
Eve is all about PvP and a single world. What you are asking for is the destruction of everything that makes it unique. If you don't desire to worry about other players you are in the wrong game.
that is where you are wrong Eve is not all about PVP.. I dont like the pvp aspect at all and I love this game.. for me its the killing of the Npc and the minning aspect.. call me crazy but I love to mine and refine and there is no other game out there like this that you can do that with.. this is just simply the best game I have found for what I like to do.
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Flibbeteh
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Flibbeteh on 09/04/2008 05:32:10
Edited by: Flibbeteh on 09/04/2008 05:31:02
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well I want to kill npcs in a .1 or .2 zone but I cant because Ill just get killed. so I would take your sugestion and stay in a 1.0 or .9 but guess what there is nothing to kill in thos zones.. so what to do??
If you're being killed, find a carebear corp with 0.0 space so you can rat in relative peace. You're just in with the wrong people.
You've failed to realise that the ability of a character isn't completely dependant on the specific player's ability. That's another eve core component of the game. Teamwork.
Look at BoB and Goonswarm and take a guess how they got to be as powerful as they are.
Oh, and if you people's definition of a troll is someone with common sense and knowledge of eve, then yes i'm the biggest troll of all. It's only criticism. I mean, the thread author asked for it even. At least I gave reasons as to why I think what I do.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 09/04/2008 05:32:39
Originally by: Laveth
that is where you are wrong Eve is not all about PVP.. I dont like the pvp aspect at all and I love this game.. for me its the killing of the Npc and the minning aspect.. call me crazy but I love to mine and refine and there is no other game out there like this that you can do that with.. this is just simply the best game I have found for what I like to do.
And everything you sell or buy competes with someone else. Every time you sell ore, someone else didn't get the sale. Every time a thief takes your ore, you decide whether to shoot or not. Every time a suicider blows your ship up, you go pop.
The entire game is based on, and requires, PvP. It drives the market, it restricts players on where they can go, it fuels the economy. Without it the entire game cannot function.
So yes Eve is all about PvP, but as the Devs have said multiple times, PvP != Pew Pew
PS - I'm as Carebear as they come and even I understand this part...
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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War Games
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Laveth
that is where you are wrong Eve is not all about PVP.. I dont like the pvp aspect at all and I love this game.. for me its the killing of the Npc and the minning aspect.. call me crazy but I love to mine and refine and there is no other game out there like this that you can do that with.. this is just simply the best game I have found for what I like to do.
You are simply doing it wrong.
Eve is ALL about PVP. Petition a GM, they will confirm, eve is only about PVP... all other endeavours are to support the PVP gameplay. It's been confirmed at fanfests, GM interviews, GM devblogs...
Do they provide industry and NPCing... yes, but none are immune to the PVP as the game is designed to facailite PVP. If you are rich you are a target for PVP. If you have a big mouth, you are a target for PVP. If you are a HUGE alliance, you are a target for PVP. If you are Burn Eden... well you are someone to run away from because you PVP. See what I mean. This game is not for the casual gamer that may not want to PVP. If you keep your head low and don't make a name for yourself... chances are... you will have limited PVP. BUT, Ifyou go to the high traffic areas, go to the popular low sec, go anywhere in 0.0 or post on these forums... you might end up PVPing more than if you don't do any of these things. (BTW all the latter are the fun things to do in this game)
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main notworking
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: main notworking on 09/04/2008 05:39:48
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 09/04/2008 05:32:39
Originally by: Laveth
that is where you are wrong Eve is not all about PVP.. I dont like the pvp aspect at all and I love this game.. for me its the killing of the Npc and the minning aspect.. call me crazy but I love to mine and refine and there is no other game out there like this that you can do that with.. this is just simply the best game I have found for what I like to do.
And everything you sell or buy competes with someone else. Every time you sell ore, someone else didn't get the sale. Every time a thief takes your ore, you decide whether to shoot or not. Every time a suicider blows your ship up, you go pop.
The entire game is based on, and requires, PvP. It drives the market, it restricts players on where they can go, it fuels the economy. Without it the entire game cannot function.
So yes Eve is all about PvP, but as the Devs have said multiple times, PvP != Pew Pew
PS - I'm as Carebear as they come and even I understand this part...
a few times now I have heard people say with no pvp there is no market and bla bla bla... there is no way to tell if there would be no market with no pvp cuz there is not a server with no pvp. :) but I think there would be a market with no pvp it just would not be as competitive as a server with pvp would be. most things would be worth what there worth. less fluctuation
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Hannobaal
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: main notworking
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 09/04/2008 05:32:39
Originally by: Laveth
that is where you are wrong Eve is not all about PVP.. I dont like the pvp aspect at all and I love this game.. for me its the killing of the Npc and the minning aspect.. call me crazy but I love to mine and refine and there is no other game out there like this that you can do that with.. this is just simply the best game I have found for what I like to do.
And everything you sell or buy competes with someone else. Every time you sell ore, someone else didn't get the sale. Every time a thief takes your ore, you decide whether to shoot or not. Every time a suicider blows your ship up, you go pop.
The entire game is based on, and requires, PvP. It drives the market, it restricts players on where they can go, it fuels the economy. Without it the entire game cannot function.
So yes Eve is all about PvP, but as the Devs have said multiple times, PvP != Pew Pew
PS - I'm as Carebear as they come and even I understand this part...
a few times now I have heard people say with no pvp there is no market and bla bla bla... there is no way to tell if there would be no market with no pvp cuz there is not a server with no pvp. :) there would be a market with no pvp it just would not be as competitive as a server with pvp would be. most things would be worth what there worth. less fluctuation
What would you produce? Almost all of the products you can make, buy or sell in Eve are war materials (combat ships, guns, missiles, various weapon systems... ).
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Anaalys Fluuterby
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: main notworking
a few times now I have heard people say with no pvp there is no market and bla bla bla... there is no way to tell if there would be no market with no pvp cuz there is not a server with no pvp. :) but I think there would be a market with no pvp it just would not be as competitive as a server with pvp would be. most things would be worth what there worth. less fluctuation
The market requires loss to function, otherwise who would be buyng anything? Once you have it, you have it.
One person only needs so many ravens.......
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Flibbeteh
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: Flibbeteh on 09/04/2008 05:44:59
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a few times now I have heard people say with no pvp there is no market and bla bla bla... there is no way to tell if there would be no market with no pvp cuz there is not a server with no pvp. :) there would be a market with no pvp it just would not be as competitive as a server with pvp would be. most things would be worth what there worth. less fluctuation
What a hopeless cause we fight for. Sure there's a way to tell. Here's one scenario.
With no pvp, there is no protection for essential ores for miners out in 0.0. Without those ores, several useful and awesome items that make eve fun will not be allowed into production. Without good items/ships, eve sucks.
On the other hand, in an NPC happy land of rats and no player on player violence, everyone can get anything they want because getting ore is easy as hell. If you want a titan, go ahead and get one. You'll join the 3,000 people in the Titan club. Everything turns into wow' like mechanics where you can get anything you want granted you spend enough time doing repetetive bore-fest farming over and over.
PVP keeps you on your toes. It's fun. A lot more different than "KEKEKE ILL LOOK UP A RAT GUIDE FOR ALL THE SPAWNS IN THE SYSTEM AND ENTER WITH EXACTLY THE RIGHT TANK AND EVERYTHING I NEED!."
You'll never lose anything, and your personal hanger will become an inflated ball of crap from which light will never escape.
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Lithalnas
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:43:00 -
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Might i suggest
X3
Freelancer
DarkStar One
Independence Wars II
all non PvP games, i think thats more what you want, no online at all.
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Spaztick
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:50:00 -
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Although I generally believe that the less said about the OP, the better, I do feel obligated to say a few things about the OP's apolaustic propositions. Let's start with my claim that the OP's intent is to prevent us from asking questions. He doesn't want the details checked. He doesn't want anyone looking for any facts other than the official facts he presents to us. I wonder if this is because most of his "facts" are false. I believe, way deep down, that there are some careless chuckleheads out there who care nothing for you or your cherished credos. And here, I feel, lies a clue to the intellectual vacuum so gapingly apparent in his hypnopompic insights.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again, but the OP will probably respond to this letter just like he responds to all criticism. He will put me down as "voluble" or "pompous". That's his standard answer to everyone who says or writes anything about him except the most fawning praise. Look at what's happened since he first ordered his rank-and-file followers to put our liberties at risk by an illiberal and pathological rush to create a the OP-centric society in which grungy despots dictate the populace's values and myths, its traditions and archetypes: Views once considered merciless are now considered ordinary. Views once considered amoral are now considered perfectly normal. And the most foul-mouthed of the OP's views are now seen as gospel by legions of vicious, mingy buffoons. A long time ago I wrote that "it's a sad world where chauvinistic, Pecksniffian barrators have the power to poison the relationship between teacher and student". Today I might add that the OP has been doing "in-depth research" (whatever he thinks that means) to prove that inconsiderate, militant prevaricators and inhumane clods should rule this country. I should mention that I've been doing some research of my own. So far, I've "discovered" that if you're the type who dares to think for yourself, then you've probably already determined that I despise everything about the OP. I despise the OP's attempts to blacklist his enemies as terrorist sympathizers or traitors. I despise how he insists that he has a duty to conceal the facts and lie to the rest of us, under oath if necessary, perjuring himself to help disseminate the True Faith of nihilism. Most of all, I despise his complete obliviousness to the fact that I fully intend to give direction to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality. That's the path that I have chosen. It's really not an easy path but then again, I want to perform noble deeds. But first, let me pose an abstract question. Is there anything that the OP can't make his janissaries believe? Many people consider that question irrelevant on the grounds that it has been said that the the OP-ization of our political and spiritual lives will ignore compromise and focus solely on the OP's personal agenda one of these days. I, in turn, aver that one of the OP's favorite tricks is to create a problem and then to offer the solution. Naturally, it's always his solutions that grant him the freedom to condone illegal activities, never the original problem.
I have no problem with the manifestly obvious statement that this is a fine example of what I've been talking about. I have no problem with the idea that none of the OP's roorbacks changes my mind about anything. And I have no problem with the special privileges occasionally granted to manipulative storytellers. What I do have a problem with are the OP's peevish, lackluster assertions. The OP's operatives mistakenly associate "lengthy" with "accurate" when it comes to his campaigns. An obvious parallel from a different context is that statements like, "Without checks and balances, craven, morally crippled lumpenproletariats are free to render unspeakable and unthinkable whole categories of beliefs about power" accurately express the feelings of most of us here. Does the OP have a point? I undeniably doubt it.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Spaztick
Stuff
Did you wind up in the wrong thread?
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Lithalnas
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:54:00 -
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Spaztick's stuff
dude, thats ether copy pasta or you really need to get out more, and half of it is relatively off topic.
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Zartach Tzarszh
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:56:00 -
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LOL
No really, "LOL". I ain't laughing though.
fakeedit: WOW ->
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Flibbeteh
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Posted - 2008.04.09 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: Flibbeteh on 09/04/2008 05:59:41
You're a role player aren't you? heh.
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"Without checks and balances, craven, morally crippled lumpenproletariats are free to render unspeakable and unthinkable whole categories of beliefs about power"
Although that is what we're saying in a nutshell, that wouldn't get the point across. The criticism should provide reasons as to why they are saying what they are rather than bland statements that leave the reader ignorant to his cause.
Plus, granted Laveth's a casual player, he's going to have a hell of a time reading what you've just posted. I mean, who says "lumpenproletariats" on a regular basis. Damn, heh. It seems you're almost forcing that.
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Skjorta
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Posted - 2008.04.09 06:01:00 -
[35]
no. gtfodiafthx.
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TimMc
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Posted - 2008.04.09 06:07:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Laveth
Originally by: Lithalnas
Might i suggest
X3
Freelancer
DarkStar One
Independence Wars II
all non PvP games, i think thats more what you want, no online at all.
Thanks for the sugestions i will take a look at thos games.
Those games are awesome.
Laveth, if you don't want PvP then stay out of Low-sec. For the moment level 4 agents do exist in high security space.
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Zarin
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Posted - 2008.04.09 06:14:00 -
[37]
Eve is a PvP game, you cannot play it without some interaction with other players, be it buying ammo or ships they made, or others killing players so that you have buyers for the ships you make. It is virtually impossible to not interact with other players, if you don't wish to engage in PvP you have to go somewhere else. Empire is a very 'safe' way to 'limit' your negative interactions with combat PvP, but it doesn't prevent it. There will never be another server so if you can't deal with being in 'safe enough' space you need to find another game.
I somehow played the first 2 years of this game (and since played another 2) without losing a single ship to another player, despite going through lowsec etc. So it's quite possible to avoid, but the only way to be certain not to lose is to not play.
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Laveth
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Posted - 2008.04.09 06:57:00 -
[38]
Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Laveth
Originally by: Lithalnas
Might i suggest
X3
Freelancer
DarkStar One
Independence Wars II
all non PvP games, i think thats more what you want, no online at all.
do level 4 agents give you good isk and do they allow you to fight battle ship size npc's?
Thanks for the sugestions i will take a look at thos games.
Those games are awesome.
Laveth, if you don't want PvP then stay out of Low-sec. For the moment level 4 agents do exist in high security space.
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Kyra Felann
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Posted - 2008.04.09 06:59:00 -
[39]
I want a no-whining-about-PvP-in-a-PvP-game server.
In short, *************** no. It will never happen, and if it did, lots of people would probably quit, because it would mean that CCP had totally abandoned everything that makes Eve Eve.
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Inertial
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:18:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Laveth
Edited by: Laveth on 09/04/2008 07:07:04
do level 4 agents give you good isk and do they allow you to fight battle ship size npc's?
Yes!
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:29:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/04/2008 07:29:27
Its a troll but I will answer the question anyway.
Eve is a game where player production is the economy. Without stuff getting blown, nobody would buy minerals, nobody would manufacture and 0.0 wars would not exist. Basically the non-pvpers would end up with a flooded market as stuff does not get destroyed. The fact losses means something means that there is no "counter-strike" respawn style battles. Losses hurt people so when 2 "armies" fight each other, you can actually inflict losses that mean something. It also makes a point for people to fight for space insted of sitting back "counter strike" style. Stuff getting blown up increases the price oyu can sell mission loot/minerals for and keeps miners earning lots of isk.
in Hig sec spare, you are safe to do your business in the Default NPC corp. Obviously if you carry billions of cargo in a t1 hauler afk on a gate, someone will probebly suicide gank you, but other than that, you are pretty safe.
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Achran Dexx
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:31:00 -
[42]
So... You want to play without hazard in a LOW SECURITY area? ******* idiocy I tell you.
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NightmareX
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:39:00 -
[43]
Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2008 07:40:40
How are you gonna make isk on a server where no one buys any items / modules?. It's mostly the PVPers who are keeping the market alive.
You mine, and sell the minerals to another player, the other player got the minerals to build things, then he build alot of things.........oh wait a sec, who want to buy all of the stuffs i just made?
If no one buys anything, then the builders wont buy any minerals either. Because if they don't need to build anything, then they don't need the minerals.
There will be no one that will buy any modules there then. Or maybe someone will buy something if someone just lost a ship or something in a mission etc.
Believe me, you can make a **** load more isk with everything on the same server.
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AngeFredinauQwertia
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:41:00 -
[44]
EVE is pvp game blablabla.. We are already have test server and china shard so what? EVE is already sharded.
Sooner or later EVE pve server will appear, if not, there will be soon another cosmic mmorpg for pve only. So does it realy matter if eve wiil have just another server or all those pve people just go to another game? It doesn't realy matter.
As for me, as soon as some alternative pve server(or another game) will appear, i'll choice pve server instead of tranq serv. I'd like to play cosmic based mmorpg (without any fantasy elves and orcs!!!) with interesting pve content, nice game storyline while chatting with friends online without pvp (or with pvp by agreement). I can assure you, it will not be borring.
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Rawr Cristina
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:43:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Khalm
Originally by: main notworking
Edited by: main notworking on 09/04/2008 05:09:02
Well you should not have to go to a "test" server so that you can play without the fear of being killed by someone 100 times stronger then you
omfg just quit..
agreeing with goon. thats how much OP fails.
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NightmareX
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:46:00 -
[46]
Originally by: AngeFredinauQwertia
EVE is pvp game blablabla.. We are already have test server and china shard so what? EVE is already sharded.
Sooner or later EVE pve server will appear, if not, there will be soon another cosmic mmorpg for pve only. So does it realy matter if eve wiil have just another server or all those pve people just go to another game? It doesn't realy matter.
As for me, as soon as some alternative pve server(or another game) will appear, i'll choice pve server instead of tranq serv. I'd like to play cosmic based mmorpg (without any fantasy elves and orcs!!!) with interesting pve content, nice game storyline while chatting with friends online without pvp (or with pvp by agreement). I can assure you, it will not be borring.
There will never be a PVE server in EVE. The whole concept with EVE is to have everything on the same server.
And by the way. CCP is soon gonna upgrade / change out the current server to something called Infiniband. Info about Infiniband HERE.
And after what i know about that, it will kill everything that is called lag, module lag everywhere. Like in big fleet fights etc.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:57:00 -
[47]
If the op wants to play eve with no consentual combat then he needs to play on the test server. Noone anywhere except the FD-MLJ system. You will effectively have the whole game to yourself and as an added bonus everything is only 100 isk. All the devs ask you to do is to report any bugs you find.
Have fun. 
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:59:00 -
[48]
When I want to play "solo EVE", I grab a game of Sins of a solar empire.
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AeonOfTime
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:59:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
NO. EVE is all about PvP, and it should stay that way.
Interesting statement. I have been playing for over a year, and have never engaged in PvP. Geee, I wonder what I can have been doing all that time!
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Cissnei
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Posted - 2008.04.09 08:05:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/04/2008 07:29:27
Its a troll but I will answer the question anyway.
Eve is a game where player production is the economy. Without stuff getting blown, nobody would buy minerals, nobody would manufacture and 0.0 wars would not exist. Basically the non-pvpers would end up with a flooded market as stuff does not get destroyed. The fact losses means something means that there is no "counter-strike" respawn style battles. Losses hurt people so when 2 "armies" fight each other, you can actually inflict losses that mean something. It also makes a point for people to fight for space insted of sitting back "counter strike" style. Stuff getting blown up increases the price oyu can sell mission loot/minerals for and keeps miners earning lots of isk.
in Hig sec spare, you are safe to do your business in the Default NPC corp. Obviously if you carry billions of cargo in a t1 hauler afk on a gate, someone will probebly suicide gank you, but other than that, you are pretty safe.
PVP allows devs to be lazy when it comes to developing clever or complicated NPC ai
the pve game in ever is stupidly easy. within a few hours of starting anew character you are in a kestrel blowing up level 1 missions that are little to no challenge. in order to progress to the next level is a waiting game of skillups, with no actual skill involved
if the devs were to create a pve centric version, they could ramp up the pve substantially so that there is a market for player created goods still. remove insurance payouts, remove all but the first two frigates of any race (and shuttles) from the market.
if we are talking about a new, clean server it will take quite a while for things to ramp up production wise. remember this game will be 5 years old this year. that's a bloody generation in mmorpg terms.
mostly i would prefer there just be some restrictions on war decs, or make them cost 500 million isk per week to maintain. hell from the posts here on buying gtc's you are all rich anyway so 500m should be a drop in the bucket in a 5 year old game where players have tens of BILLIONS and can make BILLIONS in a couple of days on level 4 pve-easymode missions
or were all those exaggerations too?
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Cissnei
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Posted - 2008.04.09 08:09:00 -
[51]
Originally by: AeonOfTime
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
NO. EVE is all about PvP, and it should stay that way.
Interesting statement. I have been playing for over a year, and have never engaged in PvP. Geee, I wonder what I can have been doing all that time!
that's because eve is not a pvp game
2moons is a pvp game
rappelz is a pvp game
insertrandomkoreantrashimportmmorpghere is a pvp game
this is a sandbox game. it's (almost) 100% player created and run content. even agent missions are just repetive nonsense along the lines of city of heroes - but at least those have far more engaging storylines.
this is not a pvp game. it's a unique sandbox mmorpg with all the bad and good a sandbox entails. the good being you get to play with your fellow man in their content. the bad being you have to play with your fellow closet wannabe-terrorist. the really bad is that they can quite often exploit you in ways that arent legal in even the real world (stealing is illegal, and we dont shoot people who steal with us in a civilized society).
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Yosarian
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Posted - 2008.04.09 08:17:00 -
[52]
To be shot at at that belt you must have been in low - sec. Don't go to low sec space if you don't want to pvp. Eve provides a perfectly good way to avoid PvP: just mine and do missions in high sec. Belt ratting isn't worth it (rats are too weak), but the missions provide plenty for you to shoot at.
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Cissnei
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Posted - 2008.04.09 08:26:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Yosarian
To be shot at at that belt you must have been in low - sec. Don't go to low sec space if you don't want to pvp. Eve provides a perfectly good way to avoid PvP: just mine and do missions in high sec, never leave the npc corp, dont jet can mine, mine in fully tanked out battleships. Belt ratting isn't worth it (rats are too weak), but the missions provide plenty for you to shoot at.
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2008.04.09 08:46:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Laveth
Originally by: Feng Schui
no one is forcing you to undock or open up the market tab. go back to wow.
Hmm I dont even know how to reply to that :/
I want to play then game. I really like all the aspecs to the game just not the part where I can be killed for no reason and be set back months of work... can you guys not understand that?? or are you too short sighted??
I have a family, work and kids I don't have them time that lots of you have.
So what else do you like? Playing baseball where only you can't be out? Play football where you can't be tackled?
Everything in EvE revolves around the fact that you're not truly safe anywhere. It's not "an aspect" of the game; it is the game.
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2008.04.09 08:50:00 -
[55]
Originally by: AeonOfTime
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
NO. EVE is all about PvP, and it should stay that way.
Interesting statement. I have been playing for over a year, and have never engaged in PvP. Geee, I wonder what I can have been doing all that time!
OK, so you never bought anything off the market, or sold anything, or mined, or traded?
PvP is not limited to combat.
combat pilots almost all rely on ISK-making like missioning, ratting, mining, etc to make ISK to pay for their ships. As soon as you realise that, you'll understand why people don't want invulnerable characters on the same server - for the same reason that we don't want invulnerable invincible spaceships.
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Hannobaal
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Posted - 2008.04.09 08:53:00 -
[56]
Originally by: AeonOfTime
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
NO. EVE is all about PvP, and it should stay that way.
Interesting statement. I have been playing for over a year, and have never engaged in PvP combat.
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If you've played this game you, have engaged in some form or other of pvp.
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Ambien Torca
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Posted - 2008.04.09 08:58:00 -
[57]
EVE PVE and non-combat activities are so terrible and boring for most part (excluding market manipulation if that¦s what you like) that I just can¦t understand people who would pay CCP to do it. If you don¦t interact/compete there is absolutely no point in playing EVE at all IMO.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2008.04.09 08:59:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Cissnei
Originally by: AeonOfTime
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
NO. EVE is all about PvP, and it should stay that way.
Interesting statement. I have been playing for over a year, and have never engaged in PvP. Geee, I wonder what I can have been doing all that time!
that's because eve is not a pvp game
2moons is a pvp game
rappelz is a pvp game
insertrandomkoreantrashimportmmorpghere is a pvp game
this is a sandbox game. it's (almost) 100% player created and run content. even agent missions are just repetive nonsense along the lines of city of heroes - but at least those have far more engaging storylines.
this is not a pvp game. it's a unique sandbox mmorpg with all the bad and good a sandbox entails. the good being you get to play with your fellow man in their content. the bad being you have to play with your fellow closet wannabe-terrorist. the really bad is that they can quite often exploit you in ways that arent legal in even the real world (stealing is illegal, and we dont shoot people who steal with us in a civilized society).
In some countries, undercutting is/used to be illegal too. Not being a religious nut could be illegal too.
Who cares ?
Eve is a pvp game in the sense that pvp means competitive gameplay. You compete with someone else 90% of the time you are online, in some way. Alot of the competition takes place by warfare, but not all of it. Some of it is targeted, some random.
What it all comes down to is that Eve is a snadbox with limited resources. You're free to find your own place in it, but so is everyone else. Whatever you do will affect everyone else, what everyone else does will affect you. Do NOT WHINE is it sometimes means you are affected in a way you would not have chosen to be.
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Yosarian
MediaCataclysm
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Posted - 2008.04.09 09:14:00 -
[59]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
lololooollolololol
hahahahahahhhaaahhahhhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
lololLOLOllLOlOl wahhhahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahaah
Fk off.
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Andrea Tesla
Caldari
Crazy Clone Warriors of Disaster
Hereticus Aegis Communis
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Posted - 2008.04.09 09:19:00 -
[60]
Lets play a game of chess shall we ?
Oh, but... lets do it without all the taking of others pieces, ok ?
A chess game, where you cannot take out the pieces...
Sounds boring ? Nahh, you could always admire the beautiful board.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.04.09 09:27:00 -
[61]
+1 !! I totally support this. Plz CCP maek me PvE Raid servor? I want my epax!!!!11  |
Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 09:42:00 -
[62]
I never understood why some people play eve to grind missions or mine. I mean eve's gotta have like the worst PvE experience of all MMOs out today.
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Achran Dexx
Caldari
CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.09 09:47:00 -
[63]
Second post from me: What happened to 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose'? |
Tuberider
Caldari
Pothouse Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.09 09:50:00 -
[64]
Lots of games can be played by yourself i suggest you looking into them,
stay away from those horrible peeps that like to blow u up 
there is a nice safe haven for npcers in low sec called 'Eruka' please come visit
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.04.09 09:55:00 -
[65]
Originally by: main notworking
Edited by: main notworking on 09/04/2008 05:09:02
Well you should not have to go to a "test" server so that you can play without the fear of being killed by someone 100 times stronger then you
your playing the wrong game mate wow is that way -----------> |
Achran Dexx
Caldari
CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.09 09:58:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: main notworking
Edited by: main notworking on 09/04/2008 05:09:02
Well you should not have to go to a "test" server so that you can play without the fear of being killed by someone 100 times stronger then you
your playing the wrong game mate wow is that way ----------->
Truth being told.
This game doesn't offer any security, nobody cares to be honest. If you die, you've caused it yourself, bad luck, get a new ship and try again  |
Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:01:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/04/2008 10:03:12
Originally by: Cissnei
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/04/2008 07:29:27
Its a troll but I will answer the question anyway.
Eve is a game where player production is the economy. Without stuff getting blown, nobody would buy minerals, nobody would manufacture and 0.0 wars would not exist. Basically the non-pvpers would end up with a flooded market as stuff does not get destroyed. The fact losses means something means that there is no "counter-strike" respawn style battles. Losses hurt people so when 2 "armies" fight each other, you can actually inflict losses that mean something. It also makes a point for people to fight for space insted of sitting back "counter strike" style. Stuff getting blown up increases the price oyu can sell mission loot/minerals for and keeps miners earning lots of isk.
in Hig sec spare, you are safe to do your business in the Default NPC corp. Obviously if you carry billions of cargo in a t1 hauler afk on a gate, someone will probebly suicide gank you, but other than that, you are pretty safe.
PVP allows devs to be lazy when it comes to developing clever or complicated NPC ai
the pve game in ever is stupidly easy. within a few hours of starting anew character you are in a kestrel blowing up level 1 missions that are little to no challenge. in order to progress to the next level is a waiting game of skillups, with no actual skill involved
if the devs were to create a pve centric version, they could ramp up the pve substantially so that there is a market for player created goods still. remove insurance payouts, remove all but the first two frigates of any race (and shuttles) from the market.
if we are talking about a new, clean server it will take quite a while for things to ramp up production wise. remember this game will be 5 years old this year. that's a bloody generation in mmorpg terms.
mostly i would prefer there just be some restrictions on war decs, or make them cost 500 million isk per week to maintain. hell from the posts here on buying gtc's you are all rich anyway so 500m should be a drop in the bucket in a 5 year old game where players have tens of BILLIONS and can make BILLIONS in a couple of days on level 4 pve-easymode missions
or were all those exaggerations too?
You dont get the big picture. Persistant universe and everyone on same server entity means this matter.
For example, t2 haulers were underused until ganking t1 haulers became popular. This made the t2 hauler bpo owners a lot of isk for ships that would normally be avoided. Some guy inventing Golems had a tough job making serious profits untill the recent mission ganker craze started, now it seems everyone is training up for a Golem.
Look up eve history of wars and look at market patterns. This game goes very deep but you need to expand your horizon beyond shooting a red cross that represents a NPC.
Some guy buying t2 in jita and reselling it at 100% markups in warzones or near entrypoints to warzones is getting rich of people PvPing. Some mission runner for Sanshas is producing Slave sets from LP store which pilots buy for a fortune. Some guy mining in a retrever produces minerals that get bought by someone else who manufactures pvp ships, thus maintaining a high price for minerals. Look at the price of trit for example, its almost 4 times higher than what it used to be over a year and a half ago.
You need to look at the big picture. Market wars, Invasions etc etc all have meaning in this game because winning and loosing means something. In counterstrike, loosing means basically nothing. |
Achran Dexx
Caldari
CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:05:00 -
[68]
I believe the term you are looking for is 'metagame'. |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:15:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 10:19:33
EDIT: For clarities sake
Originally by: Laveth
Hmm I dont even know how to reply to that :/
I want to play then game. I really like all the aspecs to the game just not the part where I can be killed for no reason and be set back months of work... can you guys not understand that?? or are you too short sighted??
I have a family, work and kids I don't have them time that lots of you have.
First, I would like to state that your problem is not that the game is PvP. Honestly your problem is that your computer reset at the wrong time. Unless the game caused you to reboot, (which is quite likely, it happens to me occasionally), then that is the real problem, not someone locking you and destroying your ship.
I do not have a family, but I have a job that I work a rotating swing shift (5:45am-2pm & 11:30-8pm) with alternating Fridays, 2 Saturdays a month, in a band, dating, yard work, hanging out with friends, and the list goes on and on.
This game takes time, we are all part of one great big story. Two servers would destroy the authenticity that this game provides.
That being said, I know how you feel. I have been playing since September of 2007. Even to this day you will not see me flying a 40 million isk set up, outside of a mission space, by myself. You need to protect your assests as you would in real life.
Take this for what it is. Learn from it. Try not to make the same mistakes again.
Slade
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Darius silverbolt
Rukongai
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:19:00 -
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Now I could sit here and preach about EVE is PVP until I am blue in the face but that would do either one of us any good so I am going tp use game mechanics as the main problem with a NON-PVP server.
First this means no LOW-SEC or 0.0 which kills high end minerals, Moon Minerals (T2 Material), officer loot, a good amount of faction gear. Also most mission runners once they gain enough skill points and experiance won't lose there mission running ships and that + no PVP means the market will be at near stand still compred to current market.
WIth the player base spilt up some this would cause a vaccum on the Main server and will a slow economy.
My advice is to stay in the NPC corp and just watch how much ccrap you haul around in a ship to avoid gankings.
The gamee is just designed with PVP and players taking action to get what they want for better or worse.
Originally by: Laveth
I would really like to see a non pvp server. Im a casual player and I only have 30min to 1 hr to play about every second day... so it takes me a long time to get things done in the game.. but i love it. what just happend to me was I was killing npc's and a player came into the same astroid belt as me and started to lock onto me. and as soon as he did.. for some crazy reason my computer just restarded.. so I booted it back up as fast as I could but when I got onto the loading part of my char it restarded my comp right over again.. did this 3 times so about 5 or 6 min had passed.. then it worked. and there I was just in a pod..this is very frustrating. I lost about 40 million isk. now for me playing an avrage of 4-6 hrs a week. you can imagin how long it takes me to get that much..it really takes the fun away from me. always looking over my sholder. anyhow I would love a server where it was just PVE.. you could even make the npc's harder or something.. please people give me your idea's of what you think...
P.S I know my spelling is bad :)
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Ordon Gundar
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: War Games
This game is not for the casual gamer that may not want to PVP.
Rubbish!
This game is whatever you want to make of it. It really annoys me when people tell other people what the game is, and then tell them to stop playing a game they really enjoy just because they dont want to gate camp gank noobs.
Whether you want to fight over low sec resources in your corp, or rat, or run missions, or pirate, or even just try to keep your nose clean and get on with some trading, that is up to you.
I agree that there shouldnt be a non-pvp server, that would kill the game, but telling people to quit if they dont want to play 40 hours per week in a pirate corp is not right. |
Nebula Terron
Wolf's in Sheep's Clothing
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Nebula Terron on 09/04/2008 10:37:12
I recommend you X3, just don't start the campaign you have to fight there. Start an open game and have fun.
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Going Forit
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Originally by: Ordon Gundar
Originally by: War Games
This game is not for the casual gamer that may not want to PVP.
Rubbish!
This game is whatever you want to make of it. It really annoys me when people tell other people what the game is, and then tell them to stop playing a game they really enjoy just because they dont want to gate camp gank noobs.
Whether you want to fight over low sec resources in your corp, or rat, or run missions, or pirate, or even just try to keep your nose clean and get on with some trading, that is up to you.
I agree that there shouldnt be a non-pvp server, that would kill the game, but telling people to quit if they dont want to play 40 hours per week in a pirate corp is not right.
I agree, for me Eve is firstly a sandbox game aswell, making most gamestyles possible. And what that Bob guy said about competing all the time against everyone, well for me it isn't, actually I'm cooperating with friendlies 98% of the time, NOT against other players.
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:04:00 -
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I am not even going to read this one. I just want to say I dont think it will work Eve isnt the greatest PVE game in the world. The PVP aspect is what make Eve a fun game. The dread pirate sucide ganking, 0.0 alliance wars, the danger of low sec, and all the other annoying PVP stuff that goes on. If there was no PVP I just cannt see anyone playing Eve for long at all. Just my 2 cents on it anyway. |
Tiodus
Gallente
City of Certitude
Coalition of the ExtraOrdinary
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:07:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Cissnei
Originally by: AeonOfTime
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
NO. EVE is all about PvP, and it should stay that way.
Interesting statement. I have been playing for over a year, and have never engaged in PvP. Geee, I wonder what I can have been doing all that time!
that's because eve is not a pvp game
2moons is a pvp game
rappelz is a pvp game
insertrandomkoreantrashimportmmorpghere is a pvp game
this is a sandbox game. it's (almost) 100% player created and run content. even agent missions are just repetive nonsense along the lines of city of heroes - but at least those have far more engaging storylines.
this is not a pvp game. it's a unique sandbox mmorpg with all the bad and good a sandbox entails. the good being you get to play with your fellow man in their content. the bad being you have to play with your fellow closet wannabe-terrorist. the really bad is that they can quite often exploit you in ways that arent legal in even the real world (stealing is illegal, and we dont shoot people who steal with us in a civilized society).
/signed
9 for insight
10 for surprise aspect brought to the thread
I like it
-Tio
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Caiman Graystock
Quantum of Solace
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:16:00 -
[76]
Go back to WoW!
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Ordon Gundar
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:19:00 -
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Exactly!
I love the danger side of PvP, with the constant wariness of what everyone else is doing, especially being a noob. In this case, I dont want a PvE server.
However, I also dont think that it is ONLY a PvP game either. The content is driven by PvP, but that can be in PvP trade, and many other aspects. Everyone assumes PvP means player-verses-player COMBAT.
That is not the case with EvE. There is so much more.
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Helplessandlost
Minmatar
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:45:00 -
[78]
In Memory of Deacon Hasp
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Valkazm
Amarr
Dark BroTHerS
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:53:00 -
[79]
people have forgotten the econmic argument of a non pvp server .. why would anyone even build stuff mine or do anything really when no ships sell only pve ships and if no one blows them up why build them sell them ..
if you keep your ship for 6 months and then opsie you attack concord and get your ship blow up and now you need a new ship .. inflation would rocket ..
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Croziac
Gallente
Dark Zone Security Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:59:00 -
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Wow. interesting idea.
This is not WoW as we know. But when I started playing Ultima Online years & years ago they had one world where you could kill anyone in the bad zones(similar to EVE's 0.0). It worked perfectly. Then due to demand they added a second area (same world) but where one could not PvP.
I am an industrialist and was a builder in UO (kinda boring I know) and to tell you the truth, once the 2nd world come into play it was a most boring game to play. The PvP part of the server was basically empty, and the other non PvP was full. Kind of defeated the point of PvP in the first place.
Personally if you don't want to PvP stay in Empire, that is what it is for. As for the issue of gankers that is another issue altogether ;)
Cheers,
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:28:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 12:30:23
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 12:28:48
Have a graduated insurance program. The more frequently you buy insurance the higher percentage you pay or lower percentage the payout becomes. I know from a few personal experience wrecks cause my insurance to go up.
I know it is a game and all, but in what world would insurance pay out money to someone who intentionally comitted an act that was illegal. I think that charges of insurance fraud would brought down upon said individual.
It is EVE it is a cold dark Universe where the perverted may prey upon the week.
Here is a RP option to maybe appease both sides. Make the insurance company have a fraud division that attempts to looks over all killmails. Make it so that all killmaills that involve CONCORD go through a raffel and certain individuals get flagged for fraud, get investigated, and have said determined amount of isk subtracted from their wallet. Also provide a way for the gankers to pay a certain amount of isk (payoff to Concord or Fraud Investigators) to ignore the incident.
Very rough concept and would need some major tweaking.
Role with it if you fell inclined.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:34:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Janu Hull on 09/04/2008 12:35:20
Originally by: Gamesguy
I never understood why some people play eve to grind missions or mine. I mean eve's gotta have like the worst PvE experience of all MMOs out today.
If I want to do nothing but kill NPCs, I'd play WoW. WoW does the PvE aspect FAR FAR better than eve.
Grind missions: Self supply faction junk. ISK.
Mine: Feed the POS-monster, also some ISK (especially at Crokite or better)
All of which feeds the PvP habit, which is the ultimate ISK sink. The key is balancing the two. Also consider that the PvE game is necessary in EVE as a consequence for epic failure in the PvP game. Lose too much, and you're forced to mission and mine to rebuild. Believe me, knowing PvPers like I do, that's a pain worse than skill point loss...
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Rutoo
Gallente
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:34:00 -
[83]
I Totally agree with the op, there NEEDS to be a non-pvp server.
This will help reduce the number of people ingame who never pvp and help with the lag.
There already is actually, a non-pvp server - you access it though the My Account Page and click "Cancel Subscription"
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Zaskarr
Amarr
Falling Stars Squadron
Aphelion.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:37:00 -
[84]
1) buy a GTC
2) Sell it for ISK
3) ???
4) Profit
That's the way I roll, ISK grinding - do not want.
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Rejari
Caldari
Black Watch Dragoons
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:40:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Laveth
I would really like to see a non pvp server. Im a casual player and I only have 30min to 1 hr to play about every second day... so it takes me a long time to get things done in the game.. but i love it. what just happend to me was I was killing npc's and a player came into the same astroid belt as me and started to lock onto me. and as soon as he did.. for some crazy reason my computer just restarded.. so I booted it back up as fast as I could but when I got onto the loading part of my char it restarded my comp right over again.. did this 3 times so about 5 or 6 min had passed.. then it worked. and there I was just in a pod..this is very frustrating. I lost about 40 million isk. now for me playing an avrage of 4-6 hrs a week. you can imagin how long it takes me to get that much..it really takes the fun away from me. always looking over my sholder. anyhow I would love a server where it was just PVE.. you could even make the npc's harder or something.. please people give me your idea's of what you think...
P.S I know my spelling is bad :)
Go back to WOW
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Tharim
BBK Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:42:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Rejari
Originally by: Laveth
I would really like to see a non pvp server. Im a casual player and I only have 30min to 1 hr to play about every second day... so it takes me a long time to get things done in the game.. but i love it. what just happend to me was I was killing npc's and a player came into the same astroid belt as me and started to lock onto me. and as soon as he did.. for some crazy reason my computer just restarded.. so I booted it back up as fast as I could but when I got onto the loading part of my char it restarded my comp right over again.. did this 3 times so about 5 or 6 min had passed.. then it worked. and there I was just in a pod..this is very frustrating. I lost about 40 million isk. now for me playing an avrage of 4-6 hrs a week. you can imagin how long it takes me to get that much..it really takes the fun away from me. always looking over my sholder. anyhow I would love a server where it was just PVE.. you could even make the npc's harder or something.. please people give me your idea's of what you think...
P.S I know my spelling is bad :)
Go back to WOW
On page three before it happened. Thats just lazy, we must work harder!
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MeeKai
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:46:00 -
[87]
Non pvp server is up -
its called WoW or something ?
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Andre Marconius
Gallente
House Of Troy
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:52:00 -
[88]
Originally by: MeeKai
Non pvp server is up -
its called WoW or something ?
Errr no, there are 'pvp' servers on WoW
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Ordon Gundar
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:57:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Edited by: Janu Hull on 09/04/2008 12:35:20
Originally by: Gamesguy
I never understood why some people play eve to grind missions or mine. I mean eve's gotta have like the worst PvE experience of all MMOs out today.
If I want to do nothing but kill NPCs, I'd play WoW. WoW does the PvE aspect FAR FAR better than eve.
Grind missions: Self supply faction junk. ISK.
Mine: Feed the POS-monster, also some ISK (especially at Crokite or better)
All of which feeds the PvP habit, which is the ultimate ISK sink. The key is balancing the two. Also consider that the PvE game is necessary in EVE as a consequence for epic failure in the PvP game. Lose too much, and you're forced to mission and mine to rebuild. Believe me, knowing PvPers like I do, that's a pain worse than skill point loss...
Exactly why EvE is NOT "all about PvP" as someone else stated earlier. Its a true economy where everyone finds their niche, and plays a part. You cant take away PvP, its what gives the game its edge, but there are tons of non-PvP facets to the game that are just as important to how it ticks as Uber-Yaarr Corps one-shotting noob frigs for a laugh.
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Torak Dakos
Amarr
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.04.09 13:20:00 -
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If you want non PvP then go play a PvE game. 
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Torak Dakos
Amarr
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.04.09 13:22:00 -
[91]
Originally by: main notworking
well I think there should be 2 servers if you want to pvp then you can but you should not be forced into it.. some of us just dont have the time to do that.
Well stay in high security space. It's designed just for you.
PvE and PvP take up time, you muppet. *sigh*
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:04:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Going Forit
Originally by: Ordon Gundar
Originally by: War Games
This game is not for the casual gamer that may not want to PVP.
Rubbish!
This game is whatever you want to make of it. It really annoys me when people tell other people what the game is, and then tell them to stop playing a game they really enjoy just because they dont want to gate camp gank noobs.
Whether you want to fight over low sec resources in your corp, or rat, or run missions, or pirate, or even just try to keep your nose clean and get on with some trading, that is up to you.
I agree that there shouldnt be a non-pvp server, that would kill the game, but telling people to quit if they dont want to play 40 hours per week in a pirate corp is not right.
I agree, for me Eve is firstly a sandbox game aswell, making most gamestyles possible. And what that Bob guy said about competing all the time against everyone, well for me it isn't, actually I'm cooperating with friendlies 98% of the time, NOT against other players.
-GF
So what do you do with your friends ?
Do you sell anything ? Buy antyhing ? Mine roids somewhere ? Do you run POS's by chance ? Do exploration content ?
ALL of these are limited resources. Market profit: limited resource. Minerals: limited resource. POS space/moons/reaction materials: limited resource.
Everything you do affects everyone else. 90% of the time you don't notice, and neither do they. But that is the basis on which Eve is built. You cannot choose other then by forming your own actions. So yes, everyone is free to perform only those actions that for example mean less combat risk or less market risk. That's fine.
However, your choice only goes as far as reducing the effects other have on you. You aren't going to stop anyone determined enough from ruining your profits is they so choose, that too, is Eve, the sandbox.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:05:00 -
[93]
Oh gee not this thread again.
Do you people even realize that the main force driving the economy is PvP? Somebody has to replace all the losses.
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Lucy'Lastic
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:43:00 -
[94]
Originally by: AeonOfTime
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
NO. EVE is all about PvP, and it should stay that way.
Interesting statement. I have been playing for over a year, and have never engaged in PvP. Geee, I wonder what I can have been doing all that time!
Proof that you can play Eve and avoid PvP.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:47:00 -
[95]
To make you suffer even more, I know how to make 40mil in 10 minutes :P with a 1 day old character
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Berand
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:50:00 -
[96]
I have a hard time believing anyone who knows anything about Eve could post this for any purpose beyond trolling. It is funny to see everyone get worked up sometimes!
Fortunately for all of us, the Devs have said many times that Eve will never be sharded. One of the biggest things that makes Eve great is the fact that we're all in one world. It means things that happen actually matter to everyone involved in the game, creating an entire community that is closely tied together.
Even a carebear in Empire that avoids all combat is still competing with other Eve players for limited resources. The game wont run without them, which is why my comrades and I in Veto are so adamant that everyone attends our mandatory corp mining ops twice a week. Everyone contributes!
To the Veldnought!
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:58:00 -
[97]
Play in empire. There, no PvP.
Also, EVE should stay on a single server - no sharding. It's part of the appeal.
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lacretia
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Posted - 2008.04.09 15:04:00 -
[98]
I didnt read all 4 pages, but I wanted to put my thoughts in here.
If you took PvP out of EvE the game would die quickly to a complete and total destruction of the economy of the game. All industrial activities within the game are for the purpose of creating or destroying someone elses property...be it pvp or pve.
Without PvP the supply of ships would skyrocket, as everyone keeps building them. The supply of everything would skyrocket as people keep building them...but no one is destroying them.
So...you want to go build a bunch of stations somewhere. What if your neighbor wants to build them there to? What do you do? Flip a coin? Have dozens of stations at every moon?
Think about what production means in isk...Ships, Ammo, stations. Stations hold territory, ships hold ammo, and ammo destroys the stations that make the ships that hold the ammo. If you take the "destroy" out of that longwinded statment...then all you have is a crap load of stations and ships flying around immune to everything.
Make NPC's harder perhaps? They would have to be made so tough they could mimic to a degree the destruction a player could muster. Meaning you would need a group of friends to take out a mission. You would need fleets to protect your posses. But...if you only have 30 minutes to an hour to play every day or so organizing this would be impossible.
Bottom line...I am sorry you lost your ship. But someone, somewhere has now/or will profit from your loss. He will make you a new ship...you will earn more isk.
Learn the economy of EvE...we arent making toilets and teddybears...we are making warships and plasma rounds...
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.09 15:05:00 -
[99]
LLOLOLolOLoLOlOlOlOLL!
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.04.10 04:51:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
It is EVE it is a cold dark Universe where the perverted may prey upon the week.
You called us?
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Corstaad
Minmatar
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
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Posted - 2008.04.10 05:13:00 -
[101]
You guys should really should watch the old John Carpenter film The Mist. Its a olde Rhode Island town that has this creaping mist across the town bringing the old long dead spirits of pirates back to there old haunting grounds.
In this thread instead of long dead pirates we see the bears of WoW coming to other games to ruin and corrupt the playerbase. You can't run from them it has what 20 billion people playing it growing tired of killing yetis. Like the mist it approachs!
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.04.10 05:39:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Lithalnas
Might i suggest
X3
Freelancer
DarkStar One
Independence Wars II
all non PvP games, i think thats more what you want, no online at all.
Once you figure out X3 it's as close as you can get to single player eve. Steep learning curve but since your playing eve that shouldn't be much of a problem.
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Jake Silence
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Posted - 2008.04.10 05:48:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Laveth
Edited by: Laveth on 09/04/2008 07:07:04
do level 4 agents give you good isk and do they allow you to fight battle ship size npc's?
I am rather surprised that someone playing since 2003 wouldn't know this. And you can't claim that you created in 2003 and haven't played since, because you've been in 4 different player corps, which doesn't happen without player input.
As was said earlier "obvious troll is obvious".
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Spineker
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.10 06:27:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Spineker on 10/04/2008 06:27:41
Originally by: Lithalnas
Might i suggest
X3
Freelancer
DarkStar One
Independence Wars II
all non PvP games, i think thats more what you want, no online at all.
X3 rocks good game for bored times. I have a HUGMONUNUS empire :)
That is bigger than humongous by the way sort of like Google.
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Skebet
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.10 06:34:00 -
[105]
3/10 troll
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Corstaad
Minmatar
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
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Posted - 2008.04.10 06:40:00 -
[106]
IAC is 6/10 troll  .
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Spineker
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.10 06:40:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Corstaad
IAC is 6/10 troll .
Need a wingman for 6/10
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Inturist
Nubs.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.10 07:39:00 -
[108]
separate pve server with no pvp , erm , sry but Nope .
Try to use SISI ( Test Server ) in that case . Everything there is 100 isk , get battleship ( or capital one if u have skills ) for 100 isk , selfdestruct it and vuolia - u rich 
On a serious note , most people like u also don't have lots of time to spend in eve , i remember myself when i started eve 3 years ago , had like 2-3 hours every 2-3 days , and when i finaly got my first BS for 91 mil ( Raven , ou my first BS ) which went pop after 1 hour , i also was mad , hard earned isks went poof in 1 hour time lol , like cow on ice
i started mission whoring again ... :)
**** happens , but PVE server , comon , no fekin way , eve is all about pvp
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Don Z0LA
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2008.04.10 07:45:00 -
[109]
try singularity, with little of luck, if you go to some "deeper" space, im sure no one will come to hunt you :)
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2008.04.10 07:49:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Don Z0LA
try singularity, with little of luck, if you go to some "deeper" space, im sure no one will come to hunt you :)
Yea Sing is fun if you want to play with all the stuff you've no chance of owning on tranq. Provided you train the skills up on tranq though  .
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.10 07:56:00 -
[111]
Without danger Eve would be boring as f*ck.
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Zurrar
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Posted - 2008.04.10 09:33:00 -
[112]
How about we put little flags on our space ships, you can change the flag to pvp or pve, pve you will be attacked by three to four battleships every time you stop until you turn on your pvp flag.
seriously, eve is great because of what it is, you do this you remove the core of eve, and you turn eve into barbie play land.
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Poppy Star
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.10 09:49:00 -
[113]
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Zurrar
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Posted - 2008.04.10 09:53:00 -
[114]
honestly, that 'fail thread' just shows how immature you are, taking up my huge flat panel monitor is horrible.
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Posted - 2008.04.10 10:41:00 -
[115]
I am going to lock this thread now.
There are absolutely no plans to introduce a PVE only server for EVE Online. The unique aspect of EVE is that every player inhabits the same world and they interact together. Economy, territorial control and story are all generated by you - the players.
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EVE Online, CCP Games
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