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Garmon Minmatar Genos Occidere Boner Bandits	Posted - 2008.04.10 12:21:00 - [61] You mean WTS __________________________________ Garmonation - Rupture fun video
Zagarath Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.10 12:47:00 - [62] Toss up, for every one setup, there is a counter the other ship can do. In terms of the battle of the sexyness, as much as I love my Rokh, the Mega wins. But I would fly a Rokh over a Mega any day.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:23:00 - [63] Originally by: J Valkor The Scorpian would beat any other BS 1v1, especially if it was told about it before hand, without the need for any of these no warp out/etc rules. The tiers is not a good way to judge ship capability. I was assuming the ships are carrying a standard close combat fit - and using a ridiculous no-warp out duel arrangement. In that case, a rokh pilot told he would be fighting a scorpion, would load up on ECCM, FoF cruise missiles, smartbombs, and hammerhead drones, and rip the scoprion pilot a new one because he can't warp out after jamming the Rokh pilot according to the rules. I really really hate comparing ships in a 1v1 situation because there are soo many variables involved in any fight - to constrain them is boring. Not allowing warp outs and thus ditching a scram is silly (and this is coming from a shield tanking pilot). There are ofc exceptions to the rule - however generally all things similar, the higher more expensive tiers tend to be better ships. Originally by: Rivqua Yeah, and the fact a gank&tank raven would pwn a Megathron with scrams :) /RIv In a silly duel with no points? I'd give the Raven the edge sure. In a less-silly BS 1v1 with points, the Raven won't be able to tank and fit a point - whereas the Mega will, and therefore have a solid advantage. Then again, I fly in groups that have these so-called 'tacklers' that put points on target leaving my BS to tank and gank only. It really is silly comparing BS in 1v1 situations when they are clearly meant to be flown with support. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:41:00 - [64] Originally by: Omarvelous It really is silly comparing BS in 1v1 situations when they are clearly meant to be flown with support. True dat. Regardless of who would win in this 1v1, in more realistic PvP either would do good job in the hands of a competent pilot if they fit for their role. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Splash Whale Ctrl-Q Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:48:00 - [65] Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. When in doubt, Ctrl-Q.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention Reavers.	Posted - 2008.04.10 15:17:00 - [66] Originally by: Splash Whale Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. Can I have that 200m? --- CEO
Tenpun M	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:26:00 - [67] Originally by: Jin Entres Edited by: Jin Entres on 10/04/2008 15:29:17 Originally by: Splash Whale Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. Can I have that 200m? EFT is bogus as it assumes you win the NOS battle every cycle. Put that together with paltry DPS and the fact that you're fighting a very vamp resistant ship I wouldn't count on getting that 200m any time soon.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention Reavers.	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Tenpun M Originally by: Jin Entres Edited by: Jin Entres on 10/04/2008 15:29:17 Originally by: Splash Whale Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. Can I have that 200m? EFT is bogus as it assumes you win the NOS battle every cycle. Put that together with paltry DPS and the fact that you're fighting a very vamp resistant ship I wouldn't count on getting that 200m any time soon. First of all, the XL shield booster sucks your cap much faster than mega's blasters will. Secondly, when it's out of cap, it won't shoot anymore. And the damage is far from 'paltry'. You can pick the best damage type which is most likely explosive and deal consistent torp damage. Did you know that before the torp changes a max skilled 3 damage mod raven did about 650 DPS? And it stood toe to toe with the megathron then. Getting through 30-40k armor will obviously take its time but the mega will always have cap disadvantage as its guns use cap, and can't but sit and die. --- CEO
Niffetin Gallente Omni Research	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:40:00 - [69] Originally by: Jin Entres And the damage is far from 'paltry'. You can pick the best damage type which is most likely explosive and deal consistent torp damage. Did you know that before the torp changes a max skilled 3 damage mod raven did about 650 DPS? And it stood toe to toe with the megathron then. Getting through 30-40k armor will obviously take its time but the mega will always have cap disadvantage as its guns use cap, and can't but sit and die. I have yet to die to cap problems in my Neutron Mega. Even against a Domi with Neuts. --- Teeheee! mematar's Video Archive
Satura The Insomniacs	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:47:00 - [70] I think the mega would win if they start in web range, but the rokh would have a chance if they start from let's say 15-24km.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:54:00 - [71] tracking bonus to hit another battleship? a slow boat as well, the mega would lose. but you never know the mega could nuet, or use ECM drones.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:55:00 - [72] Originally by: Splash Whale Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. You can fit a massive HP buffer on a Rokh as well (DCU II, 3 invul II, 3 LSE II, 3 core defence field extenders). Ofc I don't fit tackle gear on my BS since I don't solo pvp in them.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention Reavers.	Posted - 2008.04.10 19:09:00 - [73] Edited by: Jin Entres on 10/04/2008 19:13:51 Originally by: Niffetin Originally by: Jin Entres And the damage is far from 'paltry'. You can pick the best damage type which is most likely explosive and deal consistent torp damage. Did you know that before the torp changes a max skilled 3 damage mod raven did about 650 DPS? And it stood toe to toe with the megathron then. Getting through 30-40k armor will obviously take its time but the mega will always have cap disadvantage as its guns use cap, and can't but sit and die. I have yet to die to cap problems in my Neutron Mega. Even against a Domi with Neuts. Meh armor tanks can't sustain that much. You're looking at like 600-800 on a tank dedicated dual LAR domi. And you can also kill its drones to reduce incoming damage. Once your cap is out, you're relying on boosters to keep firing. The rokh can take a part of your cap aswell as use its own boosters to keep tanking. When you both run out of boosters, the Rokh can keep boosting itself to zero cap and nos what you've recharged or alternatively just neut you out of it and keep your guns mostly shut. The only thing that redeems the mega in such an engagement is to get an injected mwd burst out of the rokh's range to escape.
Isonkon Serikain Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.04.10 19:14:00 - [74] if both are fitted for 1v1 it will hinge on whether the mega can jam the rokh. Unjammed, you can fit a rokh with a nasty active tank, 4 cruise launchers, 4 nos. It will tank the mega indefinitely until the mega runs out of cap charges and starts to die.
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.04.10 20:36:00 - [75] Rokh everytime it has more effective hp.
Gavin Darklighter THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.04.10 22:56:00 - [76] Originally by: Splash Whale Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. Come to Ami, I've got a corpie who would love to take your 200m and your Mega from you.
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.11 00:44:00 - [77] with realistic setups, the Mega is a stronger close range BB. With EF hypotheticals, the Rokh because it can be made to tank well. . .however its not a practical setup.

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