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Kale Kold	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:18:00 - [1] 1 v 1 between a Megathron and a Rokh - who would win? Say two pilots had identical skills and both ships where setup to use neutron blasters and to tank as good as poss with the space left, who would win in a duel. I reckon the Rokh with its superior tanking ability would just outlast the onslaught from the mega's guns just long enough to win. What do you reckon? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Gixian	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:21:00 - [2] Edited by: Gixian on 09/04/2008 08:21:26 in the duel are points required? start distance?
Phoenicia	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:24:00 - [3] It'd be close. The +tank from the Rokh, when compared to the Mega, would be equal to the -gank. I.e. where the Rokh would tank 300 dps more, the Mega would do 300 dps more. The Rokh's best bet would be to use it's superior blaster range and try to stay at 15km. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:24:00 - [4] I reckon that the smarter pilot would win, the one that DIDN'T use neutron blasters. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Zingu	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:37:00 - [5] The one that cheats the other and bring his friends into the fray. If not that the fight would never happen as most Caldari boats are not made to 1v1. There is no viable solo blaster setup for the Rokh. The Megathron has the edge as the Rokh can't really tank after you add web, scram, mwd and a cap booster, the increased range doesn't mean anything other than one extra volley.
Kale Kold	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Gixian Edited by: Gixian on 09/04/2008 08:21:26 in the duel are points required? start distance? No points Start distance: 1km Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Tzar'rim I reckon that the smarter pilot would win, the one that DIDN'T use neutron blasters. Whats wrong with neutron blasters? --- My cat Putter approves of this post. Be a Ninja! You know you want too: http://www.animecubed.com/billy/?Kravick
Cosmar	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:42:00 - [8] The Mega would win. I love my Meguchan :3
Phoenicia	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Kale Kold No points Start distance: 1km Mega wins. Start at 20, agree that whoever warps loses (i.e. no disruptors needed) and it'd be a different story. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Gixian	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:45:00 - [10] since no points and no need to close distance then its definatly the rohk

Ralara	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:48:00 - [11] The Rokh has the better tank, the Mega has the better DPS. The mega can also fit 5x Ogre IIs, the Rokh can only manage medium drones. I fly a blaster Rokh sometimes. It's a nice ship. The DPS however is not great. It's the best the Caldari can come up with, though, and I do feel "safe" in it. On overload, all the resists are over 80%. One thing - it has, I think, not quite as good cap as the Mega. It's also slow as hell, and the Mega in this case could orbit it - the Rokh has no tracking bonus whereas the Mega has tracking and damage - I can see the Mega orbitting at 500 and getting wrecking hits whilst the Rokh wont. Eventually the cap boosters will run out and the mega will win imo. It would not be fast however - 10 minutes is my guess. -- Ralara / Ralarina
Gixian	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:53:00 - [12] and why not fit a few heavy NOS to keep the rohks cap up while causeing the mega too burn through theres faster
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.04.09 09:12:00 - [13] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 09/04/2008 09:12:24 Originally by: Kravick Drasari Originally by: Tzar'rim I reckon that the smarter pilot would win, the one that DIDN'T use neutron blasters. Whats wrong with neutron blasters? Neutron mega can't fit a cap booster, 2 reps and an MWD, that's what's wrong with it. People should stop playing EFT-ofline, or actually... they shouldn't. Gives me more targets. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.04.09 09:46:00 - [14] The rokh loses because the pilot is a carebear, he cant even use the guns on the ship so he is pretty screwed. All these stupid variables (no warpouts honorz duel! start at 30km!! full midslots for tanks!) are pointless. Go on the test server if you really care, you will quickly find that bringing a friend is the best plan.
Tuberider Caldari Pothouse Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.09 09:55:00 - [15] depends on how you tank the mega its easily possible to give it 60k+ in armor with 60 % resists + 7 nuetron 2's i'd like to see the rokh beat that before it melts
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.09 09:57:00 - [16] Rokh wins easilly. 5 slot shield tank with resist bonus is a crazy amount of tank. The dps of the mega won't be much higher because it probably wont fit 3 dmg mods(or if it does it has a pitiful tank) where as the rokh can easilly do so. The 25% tanking bonus> 25% damage bonus. 25% more resists=75% damage taken=33.3% more tank. Where as the 25% damage bonus is only 7*1.25/8(rokh has an extra gun remember?)=9.3% more dps. The 2 heavy drone's worth of difference won't make up for that massive discrepency, or the fact that shield tanking is superior than armor tanking when you don't have to worry about tackle, or the fact that the rokh can tank and gank at the same time, where as the mega has to choose a balance between the two. Ralara, tracking does not affect quality of hits.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.09 10:06:00 - [17] ecm drones would win
Jelena Jinx Gallente Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.04.09 10:25:00 - [18] id say it would be very close.. as a mega cant have a tank whit neutrons (only hp buffer) while a rokh can have a 1k dps tank and around 900dps+ damage.
Twin blade Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.09 10:41:00 - [19] I think it come's down to luck on who get's better hit's the mega tracking bonus don't mean it will hit better just more. I would still bet on the Rokh due to the insane tank if it don't need to web and jam.
Lt Angus Caldari Wicked Crew	Posted - 2008.04.09 10:48:00 - [20] Edited by: Lt Angus on 09/04/2008 10:55:37 Rokh, could probably take 2 megas at once and active tank rokhs???? why?

Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:10:00 - [21] Edited by: Buxaroo on 09/04/2008 11:10:45 Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 09/04/2008 09:12:24 Neutron mega can't fit a cap booster, 2 reps and an MWD, that's what's wrong with it. People should stop playing EFT-ofline, or actually... they shouldn't. Gives me more targets. The mega would win though. I can fly both completely T2 fitted but I hate the Rohk. Megathron for the win. With BS level 5 the tracking bonus is so worth it. More hits = more damage. Rohk only has one thing going for it and that's range.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:16:00 - [22] I too recon the Rokh would win, using T2 gear only. It simply has too much tank to be overcome by even a gank mega (1200dps, and more to kin/the specific!), and it's medium drones will shred the mega's heavies. Yes i know i spelled COAD wrong. Stop mailing me about it I refuse to read SHC
Tuberider Caldari Pothouse Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:20:00 - [23] Same can fly both t2 and i hate the rokh it hits like a wet sponge(maybe its ok for npcing) Thron Thron Thron always Can't afford the ransom ? We do accept poems in local for those short on isky, Subject of our choice
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:36:00 - [24] Edited by: Lord Zoran on 09/04/2008 11:37:31 rokh.
Rook Highwind Miners-R-us	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:50:00 - [25] Rokh for sheer awesome. It's been my favourite ship since I entered EVE, and it probably always will be, at least until they release it's black-painted tech2 big brother ______________________________________ ~Newbing up the place since 6/12/2007~
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:51:00 - [26] 1 Rokh vs 1 Megathron: I'd bet on the Rokh (tank beats gank) 2 Rokhs vs 2 Megathrons: I'd bet on the megathrons (gank beats tank). 20 Rokhs vs 20 megathrons: Rokhs all the way (240km happy fun time) Of course it depends on gear and starting distance and a whole slew of other factors. If the Rokh for example has a Domi web and the Megathron doesn't. Then the Rokh has a severe advantage. If they start out at 1km, then the megathron has a distinct advantage since it out-tracks, out-DPSs and can use its mids for E-war. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Zephyr Rengate Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:54:00 - [27] Well they are both very good ships, so i guess its down to the how the pilots fly them to there advantage.
The Judge D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:07:00 - [28] Rokh would win in my opinion. It will simply out tank the mega and slowly kill it.
DARTHxFREE Double Indemnity	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:12:00 - [29] The way I see it, the Rokh don't really stand a chance becuz we need MWD/Web/Disrupter so...It don't have an awsome tank. no MWD means the oponent can flee no Web, tracking problems with a 500m orbit from the megaT no Disrupter/scrm same problem as MWD Also if no cap-injector, the use of heavy EC or EV drones on the MegaT would out last the passive cap on the Rokh /join Cheeze & Whine Club
Gavin Darklighter THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:33:00 - [30] Flown well the neutron rokh fit with web and point will kill a neutron mega. The price the Rokh pays for this advantage is the lack of an MWD, and the requirement of low-grade crystals.

Niffetin Gallente Omni Research	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 09/04/2008 09:12:24 Originally by: Kravick Drasari Originally by: Tzar'rim I reckon that the smarter pilot would win, the one that DIDN'T use neutron blasters. Whats wrong with neutron blasters? Neutron mega can't fit a cap booster, 2 reps and an MWD, that's what's wrong with it. People should stop playing EFT-ofline, or actually... they shouldn't. Gives me more targets. 1on1 my "untanked" "non-cap-boosted" Neutron Mega? --- Teeheee! mematar's Video Archive
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:48:00 - [32] With the Rokh's ability to hit 90% or better on kinetic resists, and 89% on thermal (Two of each Kinetic and Thermal Hardener IIs with a DCU II in a low slot), still having room in the lows for a pair of Magstabs to support the blasters in the highs... Personally, I'd forgo the drag racing MWD and kit the remaining mid slots with a Tracking Computer II with a Tracking script and an XL or L Shield Booster. The lows would be two Magstab IIs, a DCU and a pair of PDU IIs, or if your engineering skills are solid, one PDU II and a Tracking Enhancer. The Mega's tracking advantage is nice, but it's easier to kit a Rokh into comparable tracking performance with the Mega than it is to get the Mega's tank into Rokh territory. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Cuebick Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Gamesguy Rokh wins easilly. 5 slot shield tank with resist bonus is a crazy amount of tank. The dps of the mega won't be much higher because it probably wont fit 3 dmg mods(or if it does it has a pitiful tank) where as the rokh can easilly do so. The 25% tanking bonus> 25% damage bonus. 25% more resists=75% damage taken=33.3% more tank. Where as the 25% damage bonus is only 7*1.25/8(rokh has an extra gun remember?)=9.3% more dps. The 2 heavy drone's worth of difference won't make up for that massive discrepency, or the fact that shield tanking is superior than armor tanking when you don't have to worry about tackle, or the fact that the rokh can tank and gank at the same time, where as the mega has to choose a balance between the two. Ralara, tracking does not affect quality of hits. this been there done that many times , rokh all the way -
Fuazzole	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:01:00 - [34] Duel's are....not win
XFranc Caldari Lucian Alliance Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Erotic Irony ecm drones [on the mega] would win This
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:23:00 - [36] In the case outlined it'll be a draw. Thron has the option to warp out at will. So the rokh must blow two mids on a web/scram. Leaves the rokh with a 4 slot tank and most likely a pretty big hole that can be exploited on EM. Once the sheilds are down the Rokh will die pretty darn fast. Personaly I don't care for Neutron mega setups. Dual LAR Ion or Electron setups ftw. Too bad they're becomeing a lost art in eve now.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:23:00 - [37] The Rokh pilot shouldn't fit a MWD, just a web and point (low sec fighting - just warp to the point man). Hence the advantage of a range bonus. Let the opponent come to you. In your 1 km duel with no points, I would fit a web, and an ECCM (good vs ecm drones). In 0.0 I would fit a MWD and no web/scram (because I would be in a gang). That said, its kinda sad the top tier Caldari Battleship is being compared to the Gallente second tier BS and its this close. Usually the higher the tier the better the ship. It would be a more interesting thread comparing the Rokh (range and resists) to the Hyperion (damage and rep ammount). __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Caldari Elite Force	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:27:00 - [38] Originally by: Gixian since no points and no need to close distance then its definatly the rohk Agree with my old friend here :) It would take time, but if u fit the rokh for passive tank, torps, nos and neut, the rokh would definetly kill the mega
RDemon	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:23:00 - [39] I dont get the point of this post, i would understand if you would ask, wich ship is better for "fill in a role" but when it comes to pvp, it will simply depend on fitting.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Gamesguy Ralara, tracking does not affect quality of hits. Yes it does. The better your chance of hitting with a turret, the more likley you are to get a higher quality hit (ignoring Wrecking hits because the chance of getting one of those is fixed). As such, your damage gained goes up exponentially with tracking because you're hitting more often and your hits will hit harder. So the Mega really has two DPS bonuses, whereas the Rokh only has one. This means that the Mega will do a lot more damage at point blank range than the Rokh will. As for which would win, even starting at 1km, it would be a tough call. The Mega does a lot of DPS but the Rokh is an abo***e tanking beast. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne*

0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:35:00 - [41] Ok first off you have to be realistic. none of this "agree no need to warp scram" ect. A blaster rohk is roaming solo looking for targets and so is a mega. They meet and have realistic setups. All Level 5 skills, faction ammo, ect.. Rohk 8x Neut blaster II 100mn MWD II X-Large Shield booster II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Invulnerability Field II Heavy cap booster II RCU II 3x Mag Stab II DC II 5 hammerhead II 2 em resist rigs and 1 therm resist rig. rists 72/73/72/82 can tank 527 DPS for 2.5 minutes(w/mwd off), then can only tank 311 DPS and has 81,010 effective HP. Can do 1013 DPS. Megathron 7x Neutron Blaster II 100mn MWD II Heavy Cap Booster II Fleeting web Warp Disruptor II 2x 1600mm Tungsten plate EANM II Adaptive plating II 2x Mag Stab II DC II 5x Ogre II 3x Trimark Effective HP 118,868. Cap Stable. 1148 DPS Takes 130 seconds for mega to pop rohk. Takes 117 seconds for Rohk to pop mega. BUT mega gets a tracking bonus. Neutrons tracking isn't that great and mega can keep mwd running while it keeps everything else running as well for 5 minutes straight so if mega does it right it should be able to avoid enough damage to win. ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:52:00 - [42] Lol with this setups made to fight each other, Then the winner woudl be any other BS that warps in while you 2 are fighting and shred you with EM or Explosive damage :P
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.09 16:13:00 - [43] Edited by: Sokratesz on 09/04/2008 16:13:45 Originally by: 0raven0 Ok first off you have to be realistic. none of this "agree no need to warp scram" ect. A blaster rohk is roaming solo looking for targets and so is a mega. They meet and have realistic setups. All Level 5 skills, faction ammo, ect.. Rohk 8x Neut blaster II 100mn MWD II X-Large Shield booster II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Invulnerability Field II Heavy cap booster II RCU II 3x Mag Stab II DC II 5 hammerhead II 2 em resist rigs and 1 therm resist rig. rists 72/73/72/82 can tank 527 DPS for 2.5 minutes(w/mwd off), then can only tank 311 DPS and has 81,010 effective HP. Can do 1013 DPS. Megathron 7x Neutron Blaster II 100mn MWD II Heavy Cap Booster II Fleeting web Warp Disruptor II 2x 1600mm Tungsten plate EANM II Adaptive plating II 2x Mag Stab II DC II 5x Ogre II 3x Trimark Effective HP 118,868. Cap Stable. 1148 DPS Takes 130 seconds for mega to pop rohk. Takes 117 seconds for Rohk to pop mega. BUT mega gets a tracking bonus. Neutrons tracking isn't that great and mega can keep mwd running while it keeps everything else running as well for 5 minutes straight so if mega does it right it should be able to avoid enough damage to win. Thats a crap rig fitting on the rokh. Go with 2x semiconductors and 1 operation solidifier, and ditch mwd for second invul. Better tank that will last longer, ergo, mega loses bigtime. Yes i know i spelled COAD wrong. Stop mailing me about it I refuse to read SHC
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 16:44:00 - [44] In an ideal 1km no need for web/scram/mwd the rokh would win. However if you're asking which ship you should train for in PVP then it's much more complicated then that. Battles are never Ideal. The Thron has room for MWD to get in close & actually use it's DPS, it can fit a web, warp disruptor, and Cap booster without sacrificing it's tank. If you really just plan on dueling then the Rokh. Just realize dueling is a horrible way of judging abillity since in real combat the battle is usually won BEFORE the firing even begins. The Thron wins hands down in a real situation. _______________ ReiAyanami> We bring you tidings of AARRRRRRRRR
J Valkor Invicta.	Posted - 2008.04.09 17:51:00 - [45] Originally by: Omarvelous The Rokh pilot shouldn't fit a MWD, just a web and point (low sec fighting - just warp to the point man). Hence the advantage of a range bonus. Let the opponent come to you. In your 1 km duel with no points, I would fit a web, and an ECCM (good vs ecm drones). In 0.0 I would fit a MWD and no web/scram (because I would be in a gang). That said, its kinda sad the top tier Caldari Battleship is being compared to the Gallente second tier BS and its this close. Usually the higher the tier the better the ship. It would be a more interesting thread comparing the Rokh (range and resists) to the Hyperion (damage and rep ammount). The Scorpian would beat any other BS 1v1, especially if it was told about it before hand, without the need for any of these no warp out/etc rules. The tiers is not a good way to judge ship capability.
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:31:00 - [46] why don't we just change the spelling to rohk since everyone here seems to want to spell it that way ...or is it a non-english speaker problem?
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Gamesguy Ralara, tracking does not affect quality of hits. Yes it does. The better your chance of hitting with a turret, the more likley you are to get a higher quality hit (ignoring Wrecking hits because the chance of getting one of those is fixed). As such, your damage gained goes up exponentially with tracking because you're hitting more often and your hits will hit harder. So the Mega really has two DPS bonuses, whereas the Rokh only has one. This means that the Mega will do a lot more damage at point blank range than the Rokh will. As for which would win, even starting at 1km, it would be a tough call. The Mega does a lot of DPS but the Rokh is an abo****e tanking beast. No, it really doesn't. Especially not when your chance to hit is 100%.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:59:00 - [48] Originally by: Gamesguy No, it really doesn't. Especially not when your chance to hit is 100%. If your chance to hit is reasonably close to 100% then you are correct in that you will not notice any change with the quality of your hits if you improve your tracking. But if you're down in the 50% to hit range or so, you most certainly will notice it. It's substantial and it's documented. Look for any of the numerous posts here on the subject by Kazuo if you need proof. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:03:00 - [49] Edited by: Furb Killer on 09/04/2008 20:03:09 Originally by: 0raven0 Ok first off you have to be realistic. none of this "agree no need to warp scram" ect. A blaster rohk is roaming solo looking for targets and so is a mega. They meet and have realistic setups. All Level 5 skills, faction ammo, ect.. Rohk 8x Neut blaster II 100mn MWD II X-Large Shield booster II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Invulnerability Field II Heavy cap booster II RCU II 3x Mag Stab II DC II 5 hammerhead II 2 em resist rigs and 1 therm resist rig. rists 72/73/72/82 can tank 527 DPS for 2.5 minutes(w/mwd off), then can only tank 311 DPS and has 81,010 effective HP. Can do 1013 DPS. Megathron 7x Neutron Blaster II 100mn MWD II Heavy Cap Booster II Fleeting web Warp Disruptor II 2x 1600mm Tungsten plate EANM II Adaptive plating II 2x Mag Stab II DC II 5x Ogre II 3x Trimark Effective HP 118,868. Cap Stable. 1148 DPS Takes 130 seconds for mega to pop rohk. Takes 117 seconds for Rohk to pop mega. BUT mega gets a tracking bonus. Neutrons tracking isn't that great and mega can keep mwd running while it keeps everything else running as well for 5 minutes straight so if mega does it right it should be able to avoid enough damage to win. Why fit a heavy cap booster, get medium one, and you got enough cpu to fit another mag stab ionstead of adaptive plating. Add neutralizer in 8th high, and ruin the day of the rokh. EDIT: thats for mega
Redglare's Demise Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:14:00 - [50] Who would win in a real 1v1 fight in eve (not on the forums) ? Dunno, but if the rohk found himself winning, the mega would just leave. If the rohk fit MWD + web + scram then he wouldn't win in the first place. A better question would be, which ship is more effective in a certain role?

Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:27:00 - [51] This is silly. In such a duel , wether it starts at 1km or 20 , the mega could use a heavy injector , 2 tracking disruptors , web , heavy neut to comfortably defeat the rokh. 4 heavy ECM drones and 5 warrior IIs to be on the safe side. If using standard setups , then yes , the rokh can survive. But then the mega can warp out if webbed. If the rokh can point and web then I don't see how it's going to win. Dual rep ion mega would be more suited to such a duel anyway. But it's all quite random with ECM drones. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu edit: Wow, that was unpleasant, I felt pity for someone. Won't happen again.
Rook Highwind Miners-R-us	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Everyone Dies why don't we just change the spelling to rohk since everyone here seems to want to spell it that way ...or is it a non-english speaker problem? People only do it 'cause when they can't remember how to spell it, they think "it must be 'Rohk' because if it was 'Rokh', the h would be redundant and unpronounced". Well, they probably don't actually think that, but it's why it gets done. I gather Rokh is supposed to be an alternate (mis-) spelling of Roc. ______________________________________
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:51:00 - [53] Originally by: Rook Highwind I gather Rokh is supposed to be an alternate (mis-) spelling of Roc. That's what i've always assumed. I mean it does fit the Caldari bill of Mythical creatures & birds. _______________ ReiAyanami> We bring you tidings of AARRRRRRRRR
Rivqua Caldari Silent-I.K.Y	Posted - 2008.04.10 07:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Omarvelous The Rokh pilot shouldn't fit a MWD, just a web and point (low sec fighting - just warp to the point man). Hence the advantage of a range bonus. Let the opponent come to you. In your 1 km duel with no points, I would fit a web, and an ECCM (good vs ecm drones). In 0.0 I would fit a MWD and no web/scram (because I would be in a gang). That said, its kinda sad the top tier Caldari Battleship is being compared to the Gallente second tier BS and its this close. Usually the higher the tier the better the ship. It would be a more interesting thread comparing the Rokh (range and resists) to the Hyperion (damage and rep ammount). Yeah, and the fact a gank&tank raven would pwn a Megathron with scrams :) /RIv
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.10 08:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Bronson Hughes Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 09/04/2008 20:08:51 Originally by: Gamesguy No, it really doesn't. Especially not when your chance to hit is 100%. If your chance to hit is reasonably close to 100% then you are correct in that you will not notice any change with the quality of your hits if you improve your tracking. But if you're down in the 50% to hit range or so, you most certainly will notice it. It's substantial and it's documented. Look for any of the numerous posts here on the subject by Kazuo if you need proof. EDIT: Here is a link to a thread that discusses this topic in great detail. It's a highly informative read. If your chance to hit is 50% then you will do about 40% dps, I know how it works. Are you trying to tell me a rokh will only have a 50% chance to hit a webbed mega at 1km? If not then the mega's tracking bonus is irrelevant in this discussion. The OP didn't ask for a real world scenario, he essentially asked which would win in an arena fight where if you warp out=you lose. In this case, a properly fit rokh will beat any mega fit you can think of.
Wardeneo Gallente BLL Wise Guys Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.10 09:31:00 - [56] so what would win mael or rokh??? :P wardeneo If brute force doesn't work..... your not using enough :)
hellwarrior Caldari Armoured Assassins Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.10 11:06:00 - [57] mega wins bc there are no disruptors or webs or whatever the hell this stupid scenario dictates. therefore rokh fits the wrong type of jammers but to his suprise the mega has 3 tracking disruptors
hellwarrior Caldari Armoured Assassins Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.10 11:06:00 - [58] Originally by: Wardeneo so what would win mael or rokh??? :P wardeneo neither bc they both eat **** and die trying to fit the mods in mid required to solo at a competent level.
Tyranis Marcus	Posted - 2008.04.10 11:47:00 - [59] Maybe sort of a hijack....but since the spelling of Rokh was brought up.....this is from an unrelated wikipedia entry: The "rook" is the chess piece for a castle, medieval stronghold of fighting men and supplies. The name is derived from the Persian word "rokh", meaning a soldier,
Steve Celeste	Posted - 2008.04.10 12:17:00 - [60] Origin of Rokh is already in the first link that's posted up here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roc_%28mythology%29 WTB reading skills.

Garmon Minmatar Genos Occidere Boner Bandits	Posted - 2008.04.10 12:21:00 - [61] You mean WTS __________________________________ Garmonation - Rupture fun video
Zagarath Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.10 12:47:00 - [62] Toss up, for every one setup, there is a counter the other ship can do. In terms of the battle of the sexyness, as much as I love my Rokh, the Mega wins. But I would fly a Rokh over a Mega any day.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:23:00 - [63] Originally by: J Valkor The Scorpian would beat any other BS 1v1, especially if it was told about it before hand, without the need for any of these no warp out/etc rules. The tiers is not a good way to judge ship capability. I was assuming the ships are carrying a standard close combat fit - and using a ridiculous no-warp out duel arrangement. In that case, a rokh pilot told he would be fighting a scorpion, would load up on ECCM, FoF cruise missiles, smartbombs, and hammerhead drones, and rip the scoprion pilot a new one because he can't warp out after jamming the Rokh pilot according to the rules. I really really hate comparing ships in a 1v1 situation because there are soo many variables involved in any fight - to constrain them is boring. Not allowing warp outs and thus ditching a scram is silly (and this is coming from a shield tanking pilot). There are ofc exceptions to the rule - however generally all things similar, the higher more expensive tiers tend to be better ships. Originally by: Rivqua Yeah, and the fact a gank&tank raven would pwn a Megathron with scrams :) /RIv In a silly duel with no points? I'd give the Raven the edge sure. In a less-silly BS 1v1 with points, the Raven won't be able to tank and fit a point - whereas the Mega will, and therefore have a solid advantage. Then again, I fly in groups that have these so-called 'tacklers' that put points on target leaving my BS to tank and gank only. It really is silly comparing BS in 1v1 situations when they are clearly meant to be flown with support. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:41:00 - [64] Originally by: Omarvelous It really is silly comparing BS in 1v1 situations when they are clearly meant to be flown with support. True dat. Regardless of who would win in this 1v1, in more realistic PvP either would do good job in the hands of a competent pilot if they fit for their role. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Splash Whale Ctrl-Q Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:48:00 - [65] Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. When in doubt, Ctrl-Q.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention Reavers.	Posted - 2008.04.10 15:17:00 - [66] Originally by: Splash Whale Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. Can I have that 200m? --- CEO
Tenpun M	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:26:00 - [67] Originally by: Jin Entres Edited by: Jin Entres on 10/04/2008 15:29:17 Originally by: Splash Whale Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. Can I have that 200m? EFT is bogus as it assumes you win the NOS battle every cycle. Put that together with paltry DPS and the fact that you're fighting a very vamp resistant ship I wouldn't count on getting that 200m any time soon.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention Reavers.	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Tenpun M Originally by: Jin Entres Edited by: Jin Entres on 10/04/2008 15:29:17 Originally by: Splash Whale Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. Can I have that 200m? EFT is bogus as it assumes you win the NOS battle every cycle. Put that together with paltry DPS and the fact that you're fighting a very vamp resistant ship I wouldn't count on getting that 200m any time soon. First of all, the XL shield booster sucks your cap much faster than mega's blasters will. Secondly, when it's out of cap, it won't shoot anymore. And the damage is far from 'paltry'. You can pick the best damage type which is most likely explosive and deal consistent torp damage. Did you know that before the torp changes a max skilled 3 damage mod raven did about 650 DPS? And it stood toe to toe with the megathron then. Getting through 30-40k armor will obviously take its time but the mega will always have cap disadvantage as its guns use cap, and can't but sit and die. --- CEO
Niffetin Gallente Omni Research	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:40:00 - [69] Originally by: Jin Entres And the damage is far from 'paltry'. You can pick the best damage type which is most likely explosive and deal consistent torp damage. Did you know that before the torp changes a max skilled 3 damage mod raven did about 650 DPS? And it stood toe to toe with the megathron then. Getting through 30-40k armor will obviously take its time but the mega will always have cap disadvantage as its guns use cap, and can't but sit and die. I have yet to die to cap problems in my Neutron Mega. Even against a Domi with Neuts. --- Teeheee! mematar's Video Archive
Satura The Insomniacs	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:47:00 - [70] I think the mega would win if they start in web range, but the rokh would have a chance if they start from let's say 15-24km.

MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:54:00 - [71] tracking bonus to hit another battleship? a slow boat as well, the mega would lose. but you never know the mega could nuet, or use ECM drones.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:55:00 - [72] Originally by: Splash Whale Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. You can fit a massive HP buffer on a Rokh as well (DCU II, 3 invul II, 3 LSE II, 3 core defence field extenders). Ofc I don't fit tackle gear on my BS since I don't solo pvp in them.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention Reavers.	Posted - 2008.04.10 19:09:00 - [73] Edited by: Jin Entres on 10/04/2008 19:13:51 Originally by: Niffetin Originally by: Jin Entres And the damage is far from 'paltry'. You can pick the best damage type which is most likely explosive and deal consistent torp damage. Did you know that before the torp changes a max skilled 3 damage mod raven did about 650 DPS? And it stood toe to toe with the megathron then. Getting through 30-40k armor will obviously take its time but the mega will always have cap disadvantage as its guns use cap, and can't but sit and die. I have yet to die to cap problems in my Neutron Mega. Even against a Domi with Neuts. Meh armor tanks can't sustain that much. You're looking at like 600-800 on a tank dedicated dual LAR domi. And you can also kill its drones to reduce incoming damage. Once your cap is out, you're relying on boosters to keep firing. The rokh can take a part of your cap aswell as use its own boosters to keep tanking. When you both run out of boosters, the Rokh can keep boosting itself to zero cap and nos what you've recharged or alternatively just neut you out of it and keep your guns mostly shut. The only thing that redeems the mega in such an engagement is to get an injected mwd burst out of the rokh's range to escape.
Isonkon Serikain Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.04.10 19:14:00 - [74] if both are fitted for 1v1 it will hinge on whether the mega can jam the rokh. Unjammed, you can fit a rokh with a nasty active tank, 4 cruise launchers, 4 nos. It will tank the mega indefinitely until the mega runs out of cap charges and starts to die.
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.04.10 20:36:00 - [75] Rokh everytime it has more effective hp.
Gavin Darklighter THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.04.10 22:56:00 - [76] Originally by: Splash Whale Neutron plated gank mega with trimarks would defeat almost any rokh. A rokh simply cannot tank 1200 DPS and will go down fast. Don't forget that in DPS versus active tank the DPS mostly wins. When it's DPS vs a passive tank it could be a close call. But theres no way a rokh is going to be able to tank a megathron long enough to get though it's armor. Granted the megathron pilot has decent skills. While the rokh also does 1k DPS it has to eat through ALOT of armor before he gets to pop the megathron. I'd put 200m isk on the plated gank mega vs the active tanked rokh to win. Come to Ami, I've got a corpie who would love to take your 200m and your Mega from you.
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.11 00:44:00 - [77] with realistic setups, the Mega is a stronger close range BB. With EF hypotheticals, the Rokh because it can be made to tank well. . .however its not a practical setup.


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