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Cassandra Beckinsale	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:12:00 - [1] That a petition, not a whining or anything else. I just want that no one can buy ISK or farm ISK for real money, nor any of players, nor CCP. I want to make TQ a TRUE world, where real money cannot interact. If i buy 1000 Euros of ISK from a farmer website, I actually have done this: 1. Earned ISK by doing absolutely nothing in EvE. 2. I get ISK for real money. 3. I can sustain my alliance / corp / character with real money. If I use GTC system, approved by CCP, i can do exactly the same 3 points. It is not important if the ISK i get from GTC come from real eve players (players that have spent hours playing eve), the final fact is that i can do the third point thing mianly, and this cannot be permitted! An alliance / corp 7 player, have to play eve to sustain themself, not to PAY real money for it! I think the problem here is that: farmer are not ok cause real money do not go in CCP wallet, GTC is ok cause the real money go in CCP wallet. There is nothing about ethic or moral things, only money. Good work CCP. MAKE TQ REAL MONEY SAFE!!! /Signed
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:15:00 - [2] Not signed. You completely ignore the significant differences between GTC trades and RMT. I will not regurgitate them as there are several threads where it is explained in depth. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:16:00 - [3] If CCP could remove the presence of farmers from EVE, I would sign this. Doing so while farmers are still present in EVE would be an economic disaster, so no. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:21:00 - [4] Agreed Except why you think CCP dislikes farmers.
Tammarr	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:23:00 - [5] Paying real money to sustain your character is in no way wrong, given that if you have time you have isk, if you dont have time, well you probably work but might want to play the game to its fullest as the time=money=isk thing goes. It do help with combating alliances made of elitist 15yo brats that can play all day to.
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:24:00 - [6] Okay, let's just press this big red button which will permaban every ISK farmer/macro, and prevent them from making new accounts! On a serious note, how would CCP attempt that? Fighting/banning ISK farmers/macros is like playing whack-a-mole. No matter how many you hit, 2 more pop up in a different place. -------------------------------------- EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:24:00 - [7] I don't care if someone wants to pay RL cash to fuel his ingame fun. Not signed
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:35:00 - [8] Quote: I actually have done this: oh really, have you been banned yet? And lets see... you basicly want farmers to be the only way for players to buy isk, tell me why this is a good thing. taking out the ngame card trade will only triple the rate at which farmers sell isk and thus make so many problems it's not even funny.
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:36:00 - [9] Did you even read/understand what the Dev Blog was saying? Someone post the Picard facepalm please.
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:40:00 - [10] Not signed. I buy and sell GTCs every now and then. Do you know why? Because I often have to work overtime at my job, and I have a lot of other responsibilities. I have no problem with earning ISK in game, only in finding time to play. I don't want to be mining or missioning all the time. Sometimes, I'd like to be exploring or fighting. GTCs let me do that, and also help someone else out. I like that. --------
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:43:00 - [11] It is a whine and moan, you are just venting here, without actually proposing anything. Well, other than an absolute impossibility. How are you going to "MAKE TQ REAL MONEY SAFE," exactly? As others have pointed out: 1) So long as there are RMT interests out there, ISK will be pahrmed and sold. 2) Better that GTC/ETC system is in place, where the GTC/ETC is applied directly to a players' accounts, thus furthering the game, vs. "Anonymous-Sweat-Shop-Owner-In-a-Country-that-shall-remain-unnamed." When GTC/ETC is sold, it is used to help the player who has the time, and yet short on ISK, or it helps a rich EVE Player to continue enjoying his game for free, while CCP is not loosing the revenue. No new ISK is created, it is just transfered from one character to another. A simple transaction. On the other hand, when one buys ISK from the RMT entity, one directly contributes to the frivolous creation of the ISK, thus inflation, because, if you think logically, RMT people do not really destroy any ISK through normal ISK sinks like PVP, POS, etc. they just created it, 23/7 w/o placing anything back into the game. So, again, what you are proposing is a fallacy, you are not presenting any logical proposals that would justify, or validate your arguments for "MAK[ing] TQ REAL MONEY SAFE."
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:55:00 - [12] Edited by: Mika Meroko on 09/04/2008 23:59:39 someone needs to go though re-education... repeat after me: -Money to CCP = Good, money spend on Dev's beer tab, hamster feed and other stuff that keeps eve going. -Money to American owners of Sweatshops in a certain unnamed country = bad, since they dont contribute to Eve's development..... that money goes to people who encourages economic slavery and arent too reserved about committing fraud = double bad... fraud which leads to: farmers costing CCP money....= triple bad.. heres an example of what the farmers does...(with sony...) http://www.playnoevil.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/1847-Why-Game-Companies-REALLY-care-about-Gold-Farming-Payment-Fraud-and-Chargebacks.html so repeat after me, Money though GTC to CCP = Good!!!! Money for isk to American owners of farmers/sweatshops (IGN for one) = Triple BAD... now repeat 10 times.... edit: also to note: alot of the farmers "companies" WILL molest your credit card...
Pang Grohl Gallente Sudo Corp	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:17:00 - [13] You missed a very important part of making TQ proof against real money: dis-allow multi-accounts. The value of 30 days of time on a second account is at minimum 200m isk, if all you do is train skills. If you mine/rat/mission, you can easily double that. 30 day time codes are selling for 150m isk. Granted the impact is not immediate, but it's absolutely meaningful, and directly related to your ability to open your wallet for EVE. *** Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting)
Lord Rue Gallente GenX Societies Inc. Rejuvenate	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:28:00 - [14] Not signed, please re-connect brain to fingers before you post again, kthx. Devil bunnies! I snort the nose! Lucifer! Banana!
Phyrr Minmatar The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:39:00 - [15] Edited by: Phyrr on 10/04/2008 00:39:32 Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale That a petition, not a whining or anything else. I just want that no one can buy ISK or farm ISK for real money, nor any of players, nor CCP. I want to make TQ a TRUE world, where real money cannot interact. If i buy 1000 Euros of ISK from a farmer website, I actually have done this: 1. Earned ISK by doing absolutely nothing in EvE. 2. I get ISK for real money. 3. I can sustain my alliance / corp / character with real money. If I use GTC system, approved by CCP, i can do exactly the same 3 points. It is not important if the ISK i get from GTC come from real eve players (players that have spent hours playing eve), the final fact is that i can do the third point thing mianly, and this cannot be permitted! An alliance / corp 7 player, have to play eve to sustain themself, not to PAY real money for it! I think the problem here is that: farmer are not ok cause real money do not go in CCP wallet, GTC is ok cause the real money go in CCP wallet. There is nothing about ethic or moral things, only money. Good work CCP. MAKE TQ REAL MONEY SAFE!!! /Signed **** off Join us in the Exploration channel. The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
Basileus	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:42:00 - [16] Yeah, and what about the poor people from [enter random 3rd World country here]? How are they supposed to make a living [sic]?
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Mika Meroko Edited by: Mika Meroko on 09/04/2008 23:59:39 someone needs to go though re-education... repeat after me: -Money to CCP = Good, money spend on Dev's beer tab, hamster feed and other stuff that keeps eve going. -Money to American owners of Sweatshops in a certain unnamed country = bad, since they dont contribute to Eve's development..... that money goes to people who encourages economic slavery and arent too reserved about committing fraud = double bad... fraud which leads to: farmers costing CCP money....= triple bad.. heres an example of what the farmers does...(with sony...) http://www.playnoevil.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/1847-Why-Game-Companies-REALLY-care-about-Gold-Farming-Payment-Fraud-and-Chargebacks.html so repeat after me, Money though GTC to CCP = Good!!!! Money for isk to American owners of farmers/sweatshops (IGN for one) = Triple BAD... now repeat 10 times.... edit: also to note: alot of the farmers "companies" WILL molest your credit card... GTCs are people paying for accounts Isk farmers are people paying for accounts
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Basileus Yeah, and what about the poor people from [enter random 3rd World country here]? How are they supposed to make a living [sic]? World of warcraft. duh think about it.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Mika Meroko Edited by: Mika Meroko on 09/04/2008 23:59:39 someone needs to go though re-education... repeat after me: -Money to CCP = Good, money spend on Dev's beer tab, hamster feed and other stuff that keeps eve going. -Money to American owners of Sweatshops in a certain unnamed country = bad, since they dont contribute to Eve's development..... that money goes to people who encourages economic slavery and arent too reserved about committing fraud = double bad... fraud which leads to: farmers costing CCP money....= triple bad.. heres an example of what the farmers does...(with sony...) http://www.playnoevil.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/1847-Why-Game-Companies-REALLY-care-about-Gold-Farming-Payment-Fraud-and-Chargebacks.html so repeat after me, Money though GTC to CCP = Good!!!! Money for isk to American owners of farmers/sweatshops (IGN for one) = Triple BAD... now repeat 10 times.... edit: also to note: alot of the farmers "companies" WILL molest your credit card... GTCs are people paying for accounts Isk farmers are people paying for accounts but the more people that can play due to trading isk for game time means CCP get more players, thus for every isk seller that can't pay CCP because it's not profitable to do so, they instead get 2 more players than think paying other players isk for game time is the greastest idea ever.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Basileus Yeah, and what about the poor people from [enter random 3rd World country here]? How are they supposed to make a living [sic]? Nike
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:08:00 - [21] Well, I'd rather CCP get the money then someone hiring a bunch of sweatshop workers. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Tim Bit	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:12:00 - [22] What's the difference between buying isk with money, and running 5 accounts to use 4 of them to mine for you? Hint: There's no difference. If people can use multiple accounts, they can buy isk.
ceyriot Crimson Rebellion Cold Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Did you even read/understand what the Dev Blog was saying? Someone post the Picard facepalm please. here. Faction Store
Keflin Geard The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:55:00 - [24] Perma Bans for people buying isk outside of the GTC system. No whines, no ifs no buts. Ban them.
Overwhelmed Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.10 02:07:00 - [25] There really are no true words to express the new level of ******ation invading the forums. Yet, again, someone makes a sensational OP. Then 218462194821642164921864892164921846219846219421942184921648291486219846218942982164982164892164921846219486218942164982164298146218946218946218946218946218946218946219 OPs spin off that should be in the ORIGINAL GODDAMN THREAD. You people can't even find your own problems, much less solve them. ---------------------------------------------------------- Posting And You Disclaimer: This is a meta-game alt for meta-game discussions.
Dynast Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:15:00 - [26] Not Signed. GTCs keep real players in game who would otherwise not want to spend RL money on a videogame. GTC sales keep real players in game who don't have the RL time to devote to grinding in a videogame to support the rest of what they want to do. Everyone wins except the chinese farmers who are forced to compete with CCP backed and guaranteed GTC sales. Which is good too because it decreases the profitability of farming in EVE for the chinese farmers and hence decreases their presence. The only problem is if you think that it's just awful that someone can buy a ship or module or whatever, with ISK they bought with RL money, and not have to farm like you did. And if you think your 'achievements' in a video game should be sacrosanct from being copied with IRL influence, I say you're smoking *****. They're such pitiful achievements compared to anything in IRL that even calling them 'achievements' trivializes the word.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:20:00 - [27] How about a petition for automatic temp bans for breaking the forums? "Current Earth-Destruction Status"
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Karanth How about a petition for automatic temp bans for breaking the forums? This ...
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale I just want that no one can buy ISK or farm ISK for real money, nor any of players, nor CCP. You demand the impossible. Not that I don't agree with the general sentiment, but it is literally impossible. So... err... not signed. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
AmmoniaisNH3	Posted - 2008.04.10 04:51:00 - [30] GTC's for iskies is the only way i get to play eve :( dunt take it away :(

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