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Danui
Gallente
United Titans Of Progress
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Posted - 2008.04.10 05:13:00 -
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I don't think this is a good idea...
There will be always people who want to "buy" isk so what CCP is doing here, is creating a legit way for those people. If everyone is using this way, the farmers will loose there customers and will stop farming. I believe this is a good way. If however, ccp stops this way of buying ISK, the farmers would have a larger clientbase so there will be more farmers...
I don't know the rate of the isk sellers but if it's way below the isk you can earn from the gtc than offcourse the farmers still win.
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Spineker
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.10 06:03:00 -
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I think GTC would actually cut down on the "ebay" style of selling ISK. Because the transactions are not for real world profit at all. The money goes to the game and that is good and most of the GTC buyers aren't farming to sell on ebay or whatever they are doing it because some guys who work alot need some extra isk but don't have the time or they are down on their luck in game. So they don't have to ebay buy the isk and some other guys don't have a credit card or don't want to pay monthly fee but 180 isk a month is not hard to make so they play to pay instead of pay to play.
Its good all around and sound practice.
It comes down to this:
1. Person with extra real world money don't have to break the rules buying isk from farmer they can buy a card and trade it.
2. Person who doesn't have the means or desire to spend real money can go ratting and pay for their game time.
3. Game company cuts down on the isk sellers and at the same time offers a ingenious way for some of their players to actually play and earn the money to keep playing.
I can't see anything wrong with it at all.
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Biffidus Rex
Southern Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.10 06:16:00 -
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GTC = good
RMT = bad
OP = wrong
this = spam
Did I miss anything?
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Spineker
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.10 06:18:00 -
[34]
The cookie?
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.04.10 06:38:00 -
[35]
Not signed.
RMT and GTC are different where GTC is lesser of two evils.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.04.10 07:12:00 -
[36]
 Originally by: Carniflex
Not signed.
RMT and GTC are different where GTC is lesser of two evils.
Evil is bad last time I checked and should be "vanquished" altogether
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.10 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Carniflex
Not signed.
RMT and GTC are different where GTC is lesser of two evils.
Evil is bad last time I checked and should be "vanquished" altogether
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.04.10 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Carniflex
Not signed.
RMT and GTC are different where GTC is lesser of two evils.
Evil is bad last time I checked and should be "vanquished" altogether
The level of stupidty surrounding this continues to amaze. GTC's are not 'evil' you twit 
(and no, I don't buy or use them in any way shape or form)
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Plave Okice
Gallente
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.04.10 08:30:00 -
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Demand for people to buy in game money with real money will never go away, plenty of people will always want to do it.
CCP's method of alllowing GTC sales accepts the fact that there is demand and tries to add some control to it, and if anyone makes money from it, it should be CCP, it is their game.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.04.10 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
If CCP could remove the presence of farmers from EVE, I would sign this.
Doing so while farmers are still present in EVE would be an economic disaster, so no.
This.
I don't really like the GTC for ISK solution, but I have yet to see a better idea presented. By now, I'm not sure there is one.
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Kur'Dekaija
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.10 08:47:00 -
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nooooooooo! me dont like...
even though I dont like ppl who make ISK by selling GTC then I also dont like not being able to play EVE, 3 accounts is expensive to poor ppl like me :) so I prefer the GTC/ISK thing.
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Davlos
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.04.10 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Davlos on 10/04/2008 08:53:59
I'm a serviceman on active duty with only 48 hours of free time per week (sometimes), most of the time only 24, and I can function comfortably in EVE with at least over half a billion in my wallet at any one time and PvPing happily.
It's all about knowing where and how to make your passive income. If you can't and need GTCs for ISK to survive, you need to play some other game.
I refuse to share the same air and game with people who, during a game of Monopoly slam some printed ten thousand dollars into their hands in the middle of it just because they can. Any decent chaps will immediately penetrate the offender's rear orifice with a splintered stake for the heresy.
If you can't cope with the expense because of your 9 accounts, then reduce how many you have and start using something called 'TEAMWORK'. I believe the folks who made this fine game intended on this thing being used. See the mortgage meltdown out there? That's because of intellectual midgets who couldn't manage their finances and didn't know how to stop their dependence on overextended credit and debt.
Same thing. Start tightening them belts, people.
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Zarin
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Posted - 2008.04.10 12:05:00 -
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The problem CCP have is no matter what they do, it is impossible for them to remove the RMT demand. By providing a way to do it without involving isk farmers, they eliminate the most destructive ways of creating isk (macroing, farming etc) Which have other effects on the economy (basically they start to drive it into the ground, destroying the game for everyone.
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I can sustain my alliance / corp / character with real money.
Using isk another player earnt and gave to you, I mean, they allow trading isk for chars, isk for services, isk from scamming etc. There are tonnes of ways to get isk without earning it ingame. But the important bit is that the isk hasn't come from means that destroy the economy (And BTW with farmers buying GTCs this way also, they are still contributing, but wouldn't exist if players all used the GTC method.)
CCP aren't printing the isk to sell this way, so it's not effecting the economy in the same way. Also, if you spend 1000 Euros trying to sustain your alliance/corp/char, and still fail miserably. That's all the more sweet victory for your enemies.
BTW, isk farmers have accounts, and they actually use the GTC method to avoid paying CCP, without it they'd have to buy game time like everyone else. They too would mean money in CCP's wallet, but they would also mean accounts that play 23/7 and don't participate in the game like other players. The GTC method also means that many players keep playing who would otherwise leave.
This has been this way for a very long time now, it hurts the game far less than the alternative.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
laloutre Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.10 12:39:00 -
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Petition this, petition that, if you can't back your own argument up solely by yourself you prove that it's not a waterproof point.
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Blood Daemon
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.10 14:54:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Tarminic
If CCP could remove the presence of farmers from EVE, I would sign this.
Doing so while farmers are still present in EVE would be an economic disaster, so no.
I chose your reply at random ;).. not point your post specific, but if CCP banned every ISK farmer, they would go bankcrupt... EVE has come to the stage that, there are more farmers than actual real players, they have more accounts.. and possibly more and more being created each and everyday..
CCP WILL stop the advertising, but I seriously doubt they would want to get rid of the farmers themselves as they create profit for CCP, and as long as CCP's wallets are growing, I doubt they give a **** about us 
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.10 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Daemon
Originally by: Tarminic
If CCP could remove the presence of farmers from EVE, I would sign this.
Doing so while farmers are still present in EVE would be an economic disaster, so no.
I chose your reply at random ;).. not point your post specific, but if CCP banned every ISK farmer, they would go bankcrupt... EVE has come to the stage that, there are more farmers than actual real players, they have more accounts.. and possibly more and more being created each and everyday..
CCP WILL stop the advertising, but I seriously doubt they would want to get rid of the farmers themselves as they create profit for CCP, and as long as CCP's wallets are growing, I doubt they give a **** about us
EVE's economy could only tolerate a certain population of farmers - I'm guessing farmer accounts are 10-20% of CCP's business. Any more than that and they would start to have very serious effects on the economy. If half of EVE accounts are farmers, then we would be truly and thoroughly boned. We'd be seeing double digit monthly inflation. 
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Jukhta Mein
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Posted - 2008.04.10 15:15:00 -
[47]
I support this idea.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.04.10 15:40:00 -
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GTCs for ISK reduce the profitability of ISK selling.
I would like rid of it but I'd like to make ISK selling less attractive more.
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