EVE Search - RMT and how to do away with most of it.

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

RMT and how to do away with most of it.

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 1 post(s)
Iron Ball	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:50:00 - [1] Simply block asian IP's from playing on TQ, they have their own regional EVE server, which I hear isn't doing to well, probably because they'd all rather play on TQ where they get to have fun and sell their profits to westerners who have an average wage 4000% above their own average. Look at this from their standpoint, why play on serenity when you can play on TQ where there is the prospect of also earning a living from it. Because so many of them may think like this it leaves serenity underpopulated, which would further cause players to quit that serenity and either join TQ or simply quit EVE for good. This would halt the majority of RMT in my opinion, there is actually already other online games that do this, they have regional blocks to prevent players from playing in the wrong region. Account hacking, phishing, 24/7 farming, most of these nightmares that come with RMT would be dealt with before they could even happen. With all the problems EVE is getting from RMT it makes the most since to target it at the source. GTC for isk could stay aswell, I like being able to pay for my gametime with isk. However if this were to be implemented and was successful in blocking most RMT then GTC for isk could eventually be removed.
Iron Ball	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:50:00 - [2] Simply block asian IP's from playing on TQ, they have their own regional EVE server, which I hear isn't doing to well, probably because they'd all rather play on TQ where they get to have fun and sell their profits to westerners who have an average wage 4000% above their own average. Look at this from their standpoint, why play on serenity when you can play on TQ where there is the prospect of also earning a living from it. Because so many of them may think like this it leaves serenity underpopulated, which would further cause players to quit that serenity and either join TQ or simply quit EVE for good. This would halt the majority of RMT in my opinion, there is actually already other online games that do this, they have regional blocks to prevent players from playing in the wrong region. Account hacking, phishing, 24/7 farming, most of these nightmares that come with RMT would be dealt with before they could even happen. With all the problems EVE is getting from RMT it makes the most since to target it at the source. GTC for isk could stay aswell, I like being able to pay for my gametime with isk. However if this were to be implemented and was successful in blocking most RMT then GTC for isk could eventually be removed.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Tarminic on 10/04/2008 16:53:06 For the last ***** time: PROXY SERVERS MAKE ALL IP-BASED BANNING USELESS Here, inform yourself: Wikipedia ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)**
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:51:00 - [4] Edited by: Tarminic on 10/04/2008 16:53:06 For the last ***** time: PROXY SERVERS MAKE ALL IP-BASED BANNING USELESS Here, inform yourself: Wikipedia ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)**
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:52:00 - [5] IBTL ------------------------------------------------ Movie: + Trillion ISK damage to Care Bear community
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:52:00 - [6] Won't work. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:52:00 - [7] IBTL ------------------------------------------------ Movie: + Trillion ISK damage to Care Bear community
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:52:00 - [8] Won't work. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/04/2008 16:53:01 Ok, so isk farmer uses a free usa proxy to disguise his ip. So please tell me how your solution would.... How would this stop isk farmers ratting in 0.0? How would this stop people selling motherships for real cash? How would this stop macro corps from corp hopping to alt corps? How would this stop western businessmen who buy mass isk from the sweatships to resell onwards? -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:53:00 - [10] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/04/2008 16:53:01 Ok, so isk farmer uses a free usa proxy to disguise his ip. So please tell me how your solution would.... How would this stop isk farmers ratting in 0.0? How would this stop people selling motherships for real cash? How would this stop macro corps from corp hopping to alt corps? How would this stop western businessmen who buy mass isk from the sweatships to resell onwards? -- Billion Isk Mission
Iron Ball	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/04/2008 16:53:01 Ok, so isk farmer uses a free usa proxy to disguise his ip. So please tell me how your solution would.... How would this stop isk farmers ratting in 0.0? How would this stop people selling motherships for real cash? How would this stop macro corps from corp hopping to alt corps? How would this stop western businessmen who buy mass isk from the sweatships to resell onwards? Simple, CCP don't allow players using proxies to connect to TQ.
Iron Ball	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/04/2008 16:53:01 Ok, so isk farmer uses a free usa proxy to disguise his ip. So please tell me how your solution would.... How would this stop isk farmers ratting in 0.0? How would this stop people selling motherships for real cash? How would this stop macro corps from corp hopping to alt corps? How would this stop western businessmen who buy mass isk from the sweatships to resell onwards? Simple, CCP don't allow players using proxies to connect to TQ.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Iron Ball Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/04/2008 16:53:01 Ok, so isk farmer uses a free usa proxy to disguise his ip. So please tell me how your solution would.... How would this stop isk farmers ratting in 0.0? How would this stop people selling motherships for real cash? How would this stop macro corps from corp hopping to alt corps? How would this stop western businessmen who buy mass isk from the sweatships to resell onwards? Simple, CCP don't allow players using proxies to connect to TQ. You havent got a clue about how the internet works, have you? -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:56:00 - [14] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/04/2008 16:57:49 Originally by: Iron Ball Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/04/2008 16:53:01 Ok, so isk farmer uses a free usa proxy to disguise his ip. So please tell me how your solution would.... How would this stop isk farmers ratting in 0.0? How would this stop people selling motherships for real cash? How would this stop macro corps from corp hopping to alt corps? How would this stop western businessmen who buy mass isk from the sweatships to resell onwards? Simple, CCP don't allow players using proxies to connect to TQ. You havent got a clue about how the internet works, have you? Your idea is the same as saying "Lets stop car thefts by banning all cars from the road!" -- Billion Isk Mission
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:58:00 - [15] Iron Ball, you're such a dreamer. Even if it would be possible to do what you claim is "so simple", it's only a matter of time before the farmers come up with a work-around. Prohibition didn't wipe out alcohool. The war on drugs can't be won either. Neither can the "war on RMT" be ended with a complete and crushing victory. Like I said, it won't work, it can't possibly work. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.10 16:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Iron Ball Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/04/2008 16:53:01 Ok, so isk farmer uses a free usa proxy to disguise his ip. So please tell me how your solution would.... How would this stop isk farmers ratting in 0.0? How would this stop people selling motherships for real cash? How would this stop macro corps from corp hopping to alt corps? How would this stop western businessmen who buy mass isk from the sweatships to resell onwards? Simple, CCP don't allow players using proxies to connect to TQ. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Iron Ball	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:01:00 - [17] Edited by: Iron Ball on 10/04/2008 17:01:33 Surely there is a way to detect if someone is using a proxy? Or such a method can be developed?
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:03:00 - [18] Postin' in a racist thread, and not liking it. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:04:00 - [19] Edited by: Tarminic on 10/04/2008 17:05:42 Edited by: Tarminic on 10/04/2008 17:05:13 The only method that I'm aware of is a system that Blizzard uses for WoW - installing WoW installs a backdoor program on your PC that blizzard can use to monitor what you're running on your computer. I imagine that even that could be circumvented with a moderate amount of effort. Also, what should we call this new server? "Eve Online: Happy Asian Work Camp?" ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Suboran Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:05:00 - [20] and there are legitimate asian players and american isk farmers
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Iron Ball Surely there is a way to detect if someone is using a proxy? Or such a method can be developed? And there are equally good ways of FAKING not using a proxy, as long as you have the proxy's cooperation. All a <banned country> farmer has to do is set up shop in <allowed country>, and route all traffic through there. And by "set up shop", I mean get a VPN connection to a machine physically located there, so that it appears all their <banned country> traffic comes from the <allowed country> machine. All this would do is ban normal users from those countries, while all farmers that do "mean bussiness" will suffer a minor setback. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Iron Ball	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Suboran and there are legitimate asian players and american isk farmers That may be so, but you'd have to be naive to deny that the majority of RMTers are from a certain region of the world.
The macdaddy Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:11:00 - [23] My main's corp has a guy from korea in it and a us soldier stationed in japan. Not everyone in asia is an isk farmer I typed This with my nose!
Iron Ball	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Iron Ball Surely there is a way to detect if someone is using a proxy? Or such a method can be developed? And there are equally good ways of FAKING not using a proxy, as long as you have the proxy's cooperation. All a <banned country> farmer has to do is set up shop in <allowed country>, and route all traffic through there. And by "set up shop", I mean get a VPN connection to a machine physically located there, so that it appears all their <banned country> traffic comes from the <allowed country> machine. All this would do is ban normal users from those countries, while all farmers that do "mean bussiness" will suffer a minor setback. So you're telling me there's absolutely nothing CCP implement to allow to them to figure out if someone is using a proxy? Add in regional blocking and warn or ban people if caught using a proxy.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:13:00 - [25] i has 8 proxies! Yes i know i spelled COAD wrong. Stop mailing me about it I refuse to read SHC
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Iron Ball Originally by: Suboran and there are legitimate asian players and american isk farmers That may be so, but you'd have to be naive to deny that the majority of RMTers are from a certain region of the world. Honestly though, how do you know they come from Asia more than any undeveloped country? Any country with poor labor laws and an IT infrastructure is a great place in which ISK farmers can base their operations - they could operate out of Mexico (for example) just as easily as any Asian country. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Zarin	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:13:00 - [27] Alot of the reason people with Asian IP address aren't on the Chinese server is because they don't understand Chinese.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:14:00 - [28] Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2008 17:15:00 Originally by: Iron Ball That may be so, but you'd have to be naive to deny that the majority of RMTers are from a certain region of the world. Equally or even less naive than the idea of "simply blocking asian IPs and people using proxy servers" in order to "stop most RMT". P.S. The "region of the world" you're talking about is called "poor". And geographically, it's definetely NOT located exclusively in Asia. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Iron Ball So you're telling me there's absolutely nothing CCP implement to allow to them to figure out if someone is using a proxy? Add in regional blocking and warn or ban people if caught using a proxy. Short of snooping on your computer's activities, no. WoW does this, but as a result they've had a huge problem with false positives and people getting banned for using completely innocent programs. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:14:00 - [30] And maybe we also need a committee on Un-Eveian Activities. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.