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muhadin the united Negative Ten. 59	Posted - 2012.02.27 09:24:00 - [1] - Quote I'm proposing some sort of change/buff, not a nerf. "Skill at using afterburners. 10% bonus to Afterburner duration per skill level." Now, 10% duration does make it use less cap obviously. However it is a skill that is almost pointless to train to 5, or even above lv3 if you often fly duel prop ships which has now become a normal thing in solo and fleet fits. The skill, as it is now it completely counter productive for certain fits, skills are supposed to make fits better, not worse. I mean it has to be one of the worst combat support skills you could ever train, cloaking 5 atleast does still give you an advantage with 10% targetting delay after uncloaking. The Afterburner skill actually make duel prop fits worse, because it takes LONGER to switch from ab to mwd. Some possible changes for this: -Remove Fuel Conservation skill, reimburse skillpoints, and change the afterburner skill to kind of replace fuel conservation but make it 5% per level better. "Improved control over afterburner energy consumption. 15% reduction in afterburner capacitor needs per skill level. "(originally 10% changed to 15%). Please feel free to post any possible changes for the afterburner skill, with, or without removing fuel conservation. Thanks for reading o/ "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
Addrake Origin. Nulli Secunda 12	Posted - 2012.02.27 09:40:00 - [2] - Quote +1 Valid points were made. It really does make dual prop fits worse, which is counter productive.
Nalha Saldana Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 136	Posted - 2012.02.27 09:46:00 - [3] - Quote There is multiple side of this but yes, there is many problems with longer cycles and it should be changed.
Gerrick Palivorn Caldari Provisions Caldari State 153	Posted - 2012.02.27 09:51:00 - [4] - Quote +1 An often overlooked but needed change
James Amril-Kesh Interstellar Faction 21 36	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:05:00 - [5] - Quote Agreed. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window!
Hevlikn Ilunar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:21:00 - [6] - Quote +1 Nuff said
St Mio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 486	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:28:00 - [7] - Quote +1
Tekashi Kovacs Golfclap Inc 8	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:34:00 - [8] - Quote muhadin wrote: -Remove Fuel Conservation skill, reimburse skillpoints, and change the afterburner skill to kind of replace fuel conservation but make it 5% per level better. This, but backwards. Remove afterburner, reimburse SP and leave fuel conservation as it is. Then we will have: - one skill to reduce AB cap usage - one for MWD cap - one for AB+MWD speed boost Makes sense.
Meditril T.R.I.A.D 24	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:39:00 - [9] - Quote When you are flying under neutralizer then you are happy to have this long cycle time because it significantly reduces the probability to loose afterburner function due to cap issues. Therefore I would propose that switching from MWD to AB and back should be more instantly. For example if I have an AB running and after 4 secs I decide I need MWD then I should be able to just click on MWD to enable it which instantly would disable the AB. This naturally means that some of the cap I used to initiate AB is wasted.
Bubanni SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353 108	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:59:00 - [10] - Quote Meditril wrote: When you are flying under neutralizer then you are happy to have this long cycle time because it significantly reduces the probability to loose afterburner function due to cap issues. Therefore I would propose that switching from MWD to AB and back should be more instantly. For example if I have an AB running and after 4 secs I decide I need MWD then I should be able to just click on MWD to enable it which instantly would disable the AB. This naturally means that some of the cap I used to initiate AB is wasted. It makes sense to do it like this, instant switching between dual prop. at cost of "cap wasted"
Red Nucleus Origin. Nulli Secunda 5	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:24:00 - [11] - Quote Some sort of change needs to be made.
Levo Harkonnen EC Riders Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 6	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:28:00 - [12] - Quote Duel = two people having a skirmish of some sort. Dual = double use of something.
Lexmana Imperial Stout 227	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:39:00 - [13] - Quote Meditril wrote: When you are flying under neutralizer then you are happy to have this long cycle time because it significantly reduces the probability to loose afterburner function due to cap issues. Therefore I would propose that switching from MWD to AB and back should be more instantly. For example if I have an AB running and after 4 secs I decide I need MWD then I should be able to just click on MWD to enable it which instantly would disable the AB. This naturally means that some of the cap I used to initiate AB is wasted. This is how it should be done!
Lucius Thrawla Origin. Nulli Secunda 2	Posted - 2012.02.27 12:58:00 - [14] - Quote +1
Velicitia Open Designs 678	Posted - 2012.02.27 13:10:00 - [15] - Quote Lexmana wrote: Meditril wrote: When you are flying under neutralizer then you are happy to have this long cycle time because it significantly reduces the probability to loose afterburner function due to cap issues. Therefore I would propose that switching from MWD to AB and back should be more instantly. For example if I have an AB running and after 4 secs I decide I need MWD then I should be able to just click on MWD to enable it which instantly would disable the AB. This naturally means that some of the cap I used to initiate AB is wasted. This is how it should be done! +1
L4ST Helios Alliance United Pod Service 1	Posted - 2012.02.27 13:26:00 - [16] - Quote remove dual fits anyone?
muhadin the united Negative Ten. 81	Posted - 2012.02.27 13:55:00 - [17] - Quote Meditril wrote: When you are flying under neutralizer then you are happy to have this long cycle time because it significantly reduces the probability to loose afterburner function due to cap issues. Therefore I would propose that switching from MWD to AB and back should be more instantly. For example if I have an AB running and after 4 secs I decide I need MWD then I should be able to just click on MWD to enable it which instantly would disable the AB. This naturally means that some of the cap I used to initiate AB is wasted. Ive never really had this bother me and to be honest i would declare it a very minor loss in the overall aspect of the mechanics of ab and mwds on the same ship. Tekashi Kovacs wrote: muhadin wrote: -Remove Fuel Conservation skill, reimburse skillpoints, and change the afterburner skill to kind of replace fuel conservation but make it 5% per level better. This, but backwards. Remove afterburner, reimburse SP and leave fuel conservation as it is. Then we will have: - one skill to reduce AB cap usage - one for MWD cap - one for AB+MWD speed boost Makes sense. He speaks truth. It makes alot of sense. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 148	Posted - 2012.02.27 13:56:00 - [18] - Quote +1 skill doesnt benefit one in all cases.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2226	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:13:00 - [19] - Quote Meditril wrote: When you are flying under neutralizer then you are happy to have this long cycle time because it significantly reduces the probability to loose afterburner function due to cap issues. Therefore I would propose that switching from MWD to AB and back should be more instantly. For example if I have an AB running and after 4 secs I decide I need MWD then I should be able to just click on MWD to enable it which instantly would disable the AB. This naturally means that some of the cap I used to initiate AB is wasted. I like this idea better. Doesn't screw up sig-tanking fits (t3s, ahacs, logis) that depend on permarunning ABs and leaves skills intact. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Brotha Umad Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2012.02.27 16:52:00 - [20] - Quote Tekashi Kovacs wrote: muhadin wrote: -Remove Fuel Conservation skill, reimburse skillpoints, and change the afterburner skill to kind of replace fuel conservation but make it 5% per level better. This, but backwards. Remove afterburner, reimburse SP and leave fuel conservation as it is. Then we will have: - one skill to reduce AB cap usage - one for MWD cap - one for AB+MWD speed boost Makes sense. Afterburner also unlocks various ABs (I think you need IV for all tech 2s). I'd prefer to have the skill named "Afterburner" anyways, there are more than enough skill whith confusing names already. Also, even without dual-prop, the longer AB cycle can be annoying, because of the agility loss. Like, when you are not aligned and want to GTFO.
Azual Skoll Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 10	Posted - 2012.02.27 17:27:00 - [21] - Quote Definitely a good idea. I've known people go so far as seriously recommending newer players with AB 5 pod themselves in a non-updated clone just to get rid of the skill! Not all skills should be beneficial in all circumstances, but a skill which is actually detrimental in some is just odd! Eve Blogger at www.evealtruist.com Director of Agony Unleashed, and Head of PVP-University
Nexus247 Avant-Garde Monastery Cascade Imminent 0	Posted - 2012.02.27 17:56:00 - [22] - Quote +1
Maria Blick skeltari Corp 2	Posted - 2012.02.27 18:03:00 - [23] - Quote How about have the Afterburner skill REDUCE the cycle time of Afterburners and MicroWarpDrives by 10% per level? Change the Fuel Conservation skill so that it does not change the overall cap use. This put Afterburners in line with most other eve skills that reduce cycle times of mods rather than increase them. Fully aware that this will make prop mods more useful to align out faster, which would add another game mechanic.
Scandalous Wench Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 0	Posted - 2012.02.27 18:05:00 - [24] - Quote yeah it really screws with my slign time when im using an ab too. i trained it when i was younger, its really a terrible thing to make me keep forever.
Cern Tiamat Origin. Nulli Secunda 0	Posted - 2012.02.27 18:54:00 - [25] - Quote +1 to removing it or making swapping prop mods instant.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 1031	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:11:00 - [26] - Quote Meditril wrote: When you are flying under neutralizer then you are happy to have this long cycle time because it significantly reduces the probability to loose afterburner function due to cap issues. Therefore I would propose that switching from MWD to AB and back should be more instantly. For example if I have an AB running and after 4 secs I decide I need MWD then I should be able to just click on MWD to enable it which instantly would disable the AB. This naturally means that some of the cap I used to initiate AB is wasted. I agree with this. Just give us the ability to stop prop mods mid-cycle if we need to. There's a built-in cap penalty for doing so. edit: You can stop strip miners mid-cycle, so we know it can be done.
Ines Tegator Towels R Us 142	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:37:00 - [27] - Quote +1 Dual prop aside, we should have more control over our ship regardless. Especially for frigate pilots, coasting around with crap turning until a long prop cycle finished sucks.
Shade Millith Caldari Provisions Caldari State 23	Posted - 2012.02.27 23:21:00 - [28] - Quote I have to agree. It's the ONLY skill I've ever actually regret training, simply because there's nothing I can do about it. Something should change about it.
Jesus Rambo Massive PVPness EntroPraetorian Aegis 44	Posted - 2012.02.28 03:55:00 - [29] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Lexmana wrote: Meditril wrote: When you are flying under neutralizer then you are happy to have this long cycle time because it significantly reduces the probability to loose afterburner function due to cap issues. Therefore I would propose that switching from MWD to AB and back should be more instantly. For example if I have an AB running and after 4 secs I decide I need MWD then I should be able to just click on MWD to enable it which instantly would disable the AB. This naturally means that some of the cap I used to initiate AB is wasted. This is how it should be done! +1 +2
muhadin the united Negative Ten. 103	Posted - 2012.02.28 08:03:00 - [30] - Quote Brotha Umad wrote: Tekashi Kovacs wrote: muhadin wrote: -Remove Fuel Conservation skill, reimburse skillpoints, and change the afterburner skill to kind of replace fuel conservation but make it 5% per level better. This, but backwards. Remove afterburner, reimburse SP and leave fuel conservation as it is. Then we will have: - one skill to reduce AB cap usage - one for MWD cap - one for AB+MWD speed boost Makes sense. Afterburner also unlocks various ABs (I think you need IV for all tech 2s). I'd prefer to have the skill named "Afterburner" anyways, there are more than enough skill whith confusing names already. Also, even without dual-prop, the longer AB cycle can be annoying, because of the agility loss. Like, when you are not aligned and want to GTFO. I agree with this as well. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
Minaro Shina N0IR. Guilty As Charged. 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 08:30:00 - [31] - Quote Meditril wrote: When you are flying under neutralizer then you are happy to have this long cycle time because it significantly reduces the probability to loose afterburner function due to cap issues. Therefore I would propose that switching from MWD to AB and back should be more instantly. For example if I have an AB running and after 4 secs I decide I need MWD then I should be able to just click on MWD to enable it which instantly would disable the AB. This naturally means that some of the cap I used to initiate AB is wasted. x+1
James Amril-Kesh Interstellar Faction 21 38	Posted - 2012.02.28 09:12:00 - [32] - Quote Meditril wrote: When you are flying under neutralizer then you are happy to have this long cycle time because it significantly reduces the probability to loose afterburner function due to cap issues. Therefore I would propose that switching from MWD to AB and back should be more instantly. For example if I have an AB running and after 4 secs I decide I need MWD then I should be able to just click on MWD to enable it which instantly would disable the AB. This naturally means that some of the cap I used to initiate AB is wasted. I don't know... I feel like this could be exploited somehow. Not only that, but these are the only modules I see this working for, so this would have to be an exception to the rule. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window!
muhadin Origin. Nulli Secunda 104	Posted - 2012.02.28 11:08:00 - [33] - Quote It may let you keep your afterburner on longer while being neuted, but there are not alot of cases where i can see this helping at all, and this would not make it worth training afterburner 5, especially since how much it hurts any duel prop ship, it hurts trying to turn off your ab so you can warp faster. I do not agree that it would hurt afterburners by reducing the cycle time via removing/changing what the afterburner skill does, because it hurts so many fleet/solo fits and compositions. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
muhadin Origin. Nulli Secunda 107	Posted - 2012.02.29 00:46:00 - [34] - Quote Up "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
muhadin Origin. Nulli Secunda 107	Posted - 2012.02.29 18:07:00 - [35] - Quote Up we go, lets get it changed. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
Mister Burns Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2012.02.29 20:42:00 - [36] - Quote +1 I lost a dual-prop Ishkur just a few hours ago due to this! (regrets training the skill to lvl 4)
Valea Silpha Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 40	Posted - 2012.02.29 23:05:00 - [37] - Quote +1 to the original post. I'd like to throw on top of this the idea that every skill that effects the cycle time of non-weapon modules should be redrafted along these lines, most notably the armor rep skill... In lots of places it makes more sense to have armor rep 4 because it keeps you stable longer at only a minor hit to tank. And I care about it because the cap mods are the same, and for the time being until I get T2 triage, it makes more sense to have a little less tank and more cap stability in triage.
muhadin Origin. Nulli Secunda 108	Posted - 2012.03.01 01:11:00 - [38] - Quote Valea Silpha wrote: I'd like to throw on top of this the idea that every skill that effects the cycle time of non-weapon modules should be redrafted along these lines, most notably the armor rep skill... In lots of places it makes more sense to have armor rep 4 because it keeps you stable longer at only a minor hit to tank. And I care about it because the cap mods are the same, and for the time being until I get T2 triage, it makes more sense to have a little less tank and more cap stability in triage. This makes no sense, if you want it stable manually cycle your reps, its better to have a possible better tank with the skill trained then not. Its a different situation with the afterburner skill. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
Delici Feelgood School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.03.01 02:45:00 - [39] - Quote -1 because of stupid bump of crossposting thread in GD.
muhadin Origin. Nulli Secunda 110	Posted - 2012.03.01 03:45:00 - [40] - Quote Delici Feelgood wrote: -1 because of stupid bump of crossposting thread in GD. Why you so angry? "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
muhadin Origin. Black Legion. 112	Posted - 2012.03.01 17:20:00 - [41] - Quote Keep posting any ideas you have on this subject. o/ "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
Alyssa Cristole Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.03.21 05:55:00 - [42] - Quote At least change the Minmatar Sp Ops Cert to max AB out at Lv III and/or add another skill instead. I know a lot of long time players ignore Certs, but I like having something to shoot for and having AB V as a Req makes the Min Sp Ops Cert unobtainable unless you want to gimp yourself. I have only been around about three weeks and I can already fly the Dramiel/Daredevil. By this weekend should also be able to fly the Vigilant/Cynabal. I thought duel rep was the norm; its only a week (or less) worth of skill training up to duel rep cruisers. Aside form the absurdly overpriced cost of duel rep ships, why wouldn't you do it?
muhadin Origin. Black Legion. 114	Posted - 2012.03.25 05:44:00 - [43] - Quote Up "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
muhadin Origin. Black Legion. 115	Posted - 2012.03.31 02:44:00 - [44] - Quote Up. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
muhadin Origin. Black Legion. 115	Posted - 2012.04.23 17:19:00 - [45] - Quote Up, All the changes in inferno look pretty cool. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"

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