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Souisa
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:25:00 -
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"In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base."
Why dont you do it the valve way? They have huge hardware surveys with hundreds of thousands of players submit they info voluntarily.
I just dont like the idea of you releasing a patch, suddenly allowing you to snatch my info.
Ok so its just my graphics card, but the policy really fails.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:28:00 -
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Maybe Eve players are not Valve players and CCP wants to make the game better for its player base?
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Kaar
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Maybe Eve players are not Valve players and CCP wants to make the game better for its player base?
Less logical posts please Jenny
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CCP Prism X
C C P
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:31:48
Why would we do it the Valve way when we can do it the CCP way?
And I want to really emphasize that we're not releasing a patch which allows us to snatch this information. This information is already exposed by your operating system for good reasons (well not so good reasons to some people). We're just logging it now for information purposes rather than just discarding it.
Also, posting in a Jenny thread.
~ Prism X
EvE Database Developer
Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006 |
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Souisa
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:32:00 -
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well sure CCP, why dont you just take my browser history while your at it. That way you can see which forums i go to most on the eve-o website and create a better overall experience for me
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Souisa
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:33:00 -
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well, we'll see about that
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Souisa
well sure CCP, why dont you just take my browser history while your at it. That way you can see which forums i go to most on the eve-o website and create a better overall experience for me
I'm sure it's useless to them..
They know all the pron sites.
V8I
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Souisa
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:36:00 -
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This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards,
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:40:00 -
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This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
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Souisa
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:41:00 -
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:44:00 -
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CCP Navigator
C C P
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:45:00 -
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Ok guys and girls.
Please keep to the topic at hand. Discussions of ****ography on youtube or anywhere else is not relevant.
Navigator, Community Representative
EVE Online, CCP Games
Email/Netfang
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
Ok guys and girls.
Please keep to the topic at hand. Discussions of ****ography on youtube or anywhere else is not relevant.
Spoilsport
V8I
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Alrione
Amarr
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Alrione on 12/04/2008 13:52:05
OP, look at the forum posters. Now think again, what good would doing it valve way do.
Oh and look PrismX replied, what did he get for it, flames and people ask why CCP doesnt post on forums as much. 
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:31:48
Why would we do it the Valve way when we can do it the CCP way?
And I want to really emphasize that we're not releasing a patch which allows us to snatch this information. This information is already exposed by your operating system for good reasons (well not so good reasons to some people). We're just logging it now for information purposes rather than just discarding it.
Also, posting in a Jenny thread.
Excellent news, Im pleased that your utlising already available data to improve the quality of game play. Also I appreciate you advertising the fact so that anyone who does not wish their information logged in this way (such as the OP) have the oportunity to stop playing, whilst those that are happy to keep playing don't feel 'decieved' in any fashion.
Keep up the good work!
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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Parifactor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:05:00 -
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On the one hand, it's nice that CCP lists it in the patch notes but on the other hand, mandatory opt-in is very bad. A way to do this would be a pop-up after the patch asking the user if he wants to participate.
This would also increase the trust that CCP doesn't just snoop around like warden.
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We're just logging it now for information purposes rather than just discarding it.
This is exactly the kind of response that could break the trust.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Gone''Postal on 12/04/2008 14:06:10
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:31:48
Why would we do it the Valve way when we can do it the CCP way?
And I want to really emphasize that we're not releasing a patch which allows us to snatch this information. This information is already exposed by your operating system for good reasons (well not so good reasons to some people). We're just logging it now for information purposes rather than just discarding it.
Also, posting in a Jenny thread.
Excellent news, Im pleased that your utlising already available data to improve the quality of game play. Also I appreciate you advertising the fact so that anyone who does not wish their information logged in this way (such as the OP) have the oportunity to stop playing, whilst those that are happy to keep playing don't feel 'decieved' in any fashion.
Keep up the good work!
C.
Agreed.
CCP can take my inside leg size if it helps them code, fix program or whatever.
V8I
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Cassandra Wolf
Gallente
Men in Blue Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:09:00 -
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Funny thing is "the valve way" is to make surveys about your hardware by asking you/your system AND creating funny maps of the locations you die in their games, the shots you shoot, the ways you walk, the things you look at etc without asking you.. even in their "single player (you playing and whole valve devs laughing at you)"-games
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TheArchJudge
Gallente
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:13:00 -
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If i can't get to play eve on whatever crap pc i have i am quitting the game! :P
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Euriti
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Souisa
well sure CCP, why dont you just take my browser history while your at it. That way you can see which forums i go to most on the eve-o website and create a better overall experience for me
Go outside please, you need to.
Blizzard did this, HUGE outrage by trolls on the forums. Think they got bansticks for being offensive and the rest of the community just said /care.
Also, they are not logging your ****.
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Rover Vitesse
Gallente
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: TheArchJudge
If i can't get to play eve on whatever crap pc i have i am quitting the game! :P
Good. I am sick of hearing about your donkey powered laptop.
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Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Parifactor
On the one hand, it's nice that CCP lists it in the patch notes but on the other hand, mandatory opt-in is very bad. A way to do this would be a pop-up after the patch asking the user if he wants to participate.
This would also increase the trust that CCP doesn't just snoop around like warden.
Quote:
We're just logging it now for information purposes rather than just discarding it.
This is exactly the kind of response that could break the trust.
Exactly. Trust in CCP is tenuous at best at the moment. This is not exactly the sort of action/response that will improve that trust. I don't expect anything inherently wrong here, but I do believe that CCP is pusing their luck.
"Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror."
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:16:00 -
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EBIL CCP SNATCHING MY SEX SITES FROM MY INTERNETS BROWSAR! 
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rover Vitesse
Originally by: TheArchJudge
If i can't get to play eve on whatever crap pc i have i am quitting the game! :P
Good. I am sick of hearing about your donkey powered laptop.
LMAO. 
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 12/04/2008 15:22:14
Omg CCP is checking which GPU i have, but that is classified as top secret.
Anyone who has problem with CCP knowing which gpu you are using, welcome to the real world.
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
The Fallen Gingerbread Men
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:25:00 -
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Big Brother sees you! 
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:27:00 -
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*starts distributing tin foil hats*
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CCP Prism X
C C P
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Exactly. Trust in CCP is tenuous at best at the moment. This is not exactly the sort of action/response that will improve that trust. I don't expect anything inherently wrong here, but I do believe that CCP is pusing their luck.
Why are we trying to cause hysteria? The fact that this is already exposed by your operating system to allow code to take advantage of this is known by every programmer except perhaps the most hardcore anti-MS techies out there.. and even then they know because they like to bash MS for doing it. If you're not a programmer I already stated this. I honestly don't see any reason in reiterating it other than drawing the attention of those who don't already know that their device information is accessible by whatever they connect to.
Furthermore: You are connecting to our servers. Saying we're bad for wanting to know what is connecting to our servers is like saying that person X is bad because he has caller ID and you're calling him.
~ Prism X
EvE Database Developer
Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006 |
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Achran Dexx
Caldari
CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:48:00 -
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Cancelling your account costs nothing, hell it even saves us the effort of reading posts like this.
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Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Exactly. Trust in CCP is tenuous at best at the moment. This is not exactly the sort of action/response that will improve that trust. I don't expect anything inherently wrong here, but I do believe that CCP is pusing their luck.
Why are we trying to cause hysteria? The fact that this is already exposed by your operating system to allow code to take advantage of this is known by every programmer except perhaps the most hardcore anti-MS techies out there.. and even then they know because they like to bash MS for doing it. If you're not a programmer I already stated this. I honestly don't see any reason in reiterating it other than drawing the attention of those who don't already know that their device information is accessible by whatever they connect to.
Furthermore: You are connecting to our servers. Saying we're bad for wanting to know what is connecting to our servers is like saying that person X is bad because he has caller ID and you're calling him.
Having the information available and actively logging it/tracking it without consulting your customers first are two very different things. Just because the ability is there through a flaw in MS does not mean that exploiting that flaw is ethical. I don't really have a problem with giving CCP my hardware information, but I think it could have been approached in a way that would have been a bit better for PR. Really, would it have been so hard to ask your customers first? Having the ability to do something without permission does not necessarily make it right to do. For me, the trust issue is not about gathering the data, but about the fact that you as a company seem to have few compunctions about taking ethically questionable action. This latest act is just one more demonstration of that fact.
"Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror."
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