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Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2008.04.12 17:47:00 - [61] CCP could completely avoid a lot of mistrust issues here by clearly stating in writing (in their EULA) what they will NOT do with any data collected. My bank and CC companies as well as the companies that make the software development tools I use all clearly state in general terms what any data collected will be used for, but most importantly, they all also contain clauses that detail specific limits as to exactly what the data can be used for, and details specifically who may see it, including 3rd parties. My EVE sigs
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.12 17:54:00 - [62] Edited by: Kerfira on 12/04/2008 17:57:47 Originally by: An Anarchyyt What exactly do you think they're gonna get from this? The exact disposition of ATI vs nVidia vs Others cards? I think they'll take the data their BUSINESS requires them to (see my post #51 above). Once they start leeching data, it'll be SO easy for them to add just a little bit more.... for the good of the game of.c. (and CCP.... and partners.....). Problem is, at that point we have no way of knowing! I don't trust ANY commercial company to go datamining on my PC. Why? Because their loyalty is not to me, but to their shareholders! Besides, we're not really asking for anything they couldn't easily provide if their intentions were pure: 1. Ask us whether we want to participate or not, and respect a 'No'. 2. Provide FULL disclosure of what data is gathered, not just fluffy general phrases. A list of each specific piece of data! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad	Posted - 2008.04.12 17:58:00 - [63] Edited by: Loyal Servant on 12/04/2008 18:00:45 Edited by: Loyal Servant on 12/04/2008 18:00:19 Edited by: Loyal Servant on 12/04/2008 17:59:38 Edited by: Loyal Servant on 12/04/2008 17:58:27 Oh for FRACKS SAKE PEOPLE! http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb174531.aspx There is no foul play here. Specifically, look at what can be gleaned: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb173058.aspx So.. okay for those people that don't know what this is and happen to see the LUID reference.. it's not persistent across reboots. When you reboot the LUID is different. THERE IS NOTHING THERE THAT CAN HURT YOU (Assuming they are using the DirectX interface, and I am sure they are.) Get a grip people. Edit: the fracking links dont work???? I am looking right at them in msdn ... greh im fixing it... Edit 2,3,4: FIXED!
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:02:00 - [64] Originally by: Loyal Servant (Assuming they are using the DirectX interface, and I am sure they are.) First of all, assumptions are the mother of all f-ups... Secondly, you have an amount of trust in CCP that others might not have. This is the whole point! WE want to decide who takes information from OUR PC! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Mutabae	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:02:00 - [65] Originally by: CCP Prism X Furthermore: You are connecting to our servers. Saying we're bad for wanting to know what is connecting to our servers is like saying that person X is bad because he has caller ID and you're calling him. HOW DARE YOU USE LOGIC TO REBUT :TINFOIL: CLAIMS.
Pantaloon McPants	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:03:00 - [66] moral of this story .. ppl dont like handing out there information without permision regardless if it was "free to air" or not :) at least you told people what was happening, i guess the next step would be to give them a "yes i approve" and "no i dont approve im a paranoid bastard" buttons. trust = win
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:03:00 - [67] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Loyal Servant (Assuming they are using the DirectX interface, and I am sure they are.) First of all, assumptions are the mother of all f-ups... Secondly, you have an amount of trust in CCP that others might not have. This is the whole point! WE want to decide who takes information from OUR PC! Your a moron. I am a programmer and I know that this information is taken from you by every other goddamn game you play on this internet so stop whining. AT LEAST THEY TOLD YOU THEY WERE GETTING IT!
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:06:00 - [68] Originally by: Loyal Servant Your a moron. I respect the impressive quality of your arguments! If you have to resort to this one, you haven't got anything arguments of value! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Siresa Talesi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:06:00 - [69] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Siresa Talesi Actually, most statistical analyses would rate a 10% sample of a total population as a very accurate representation, hardly "useless." This is the way data collection of things like this has been handled for decades, and it worked. Why is such a method now invalid? It depends, but I can see how 10% sample in this case would be more misleading than beneficial because of volunteer bias. A random non-voluntary 10% sample would be very useful though. So, there is a connection between being willing to voluntarily respond to surveys and a tendency to purchase certain computer hardware? Because that's the only circumstances which would cause "volunteer bias" in this case. Originally by: Wild Rho It's not "personal" information, it's some basic info on your graphics card provided by the OS and they're using that information to help improve compatibility and reduce problems related to hardware issues. The really daft thing is everything you've complained about in your post (and others like yours) has nothing to do with what CCP are doing, they're not collecting your personal information, they're not selling it to other companies or using it for advertising purposes. Stop being such drama queens. CCP already has personal information on its customers. This combined with hardware information is very valuable to marketers. So far, the only assurances we have that this information will not be used in such a manner has come from fanbois like you. Excuse me if I don't take your word as verification of CCP's actions. Originally by: Lady Natacha CCP could completely avoid a lot of mistrust issues here by clearly stating in writing (in their EULA) what they will NOT do with any data collected. My bank and CC companies as well as the companies that make the software development tools I use all clearly state in general terms what any data collected will be used for, but most importantly, they all also contain clauses that detail specific limits as to exactly what the data can be used for, and details specifically who may see it, including 3rd parties. This, exactly. Such a statement would not necessarily prevent CCP from abusing the information, but it would allow an avenue of legal recourse if they did. The fact that they are unwilling to state what any other reputable company would do as standard practice does not exactly encourage trust among their customers. That's my issue here, not so much the information they want, but that they continually behave in a manner that disregards their customers. "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:07:00 - [70] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Loyal Servant Your a moron. I respect the impressive quality of your arguments! If you have to resort to this one, you haven't got anything arguments of value! Post with your main?
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:08:00 - [71] Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Loyal Servant Your a moron. I respect the impressive quality of your arguments! If you have to resort to this one, you haven't got anything arguments of value! Post with your main? Another quality argument! Now it REALLY shows you haven't got any GOOD arguments to support you Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Alrione Amarr Black Lagoon Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:08:00 - [72] The tinfoil is strong in this one. Guys, CCP knows your name, where you live and bank details PANIC -------------------------------- :-O Sig got nerfed. Remaking >.<
Trathen	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:10:00 - [73] The next thread will be uproar over how they know our I.P. addresses and service providers.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:11:00 - [74] Originally by: Siresa Talesi CCP already has personal information on its customers. This combined with hardware information is very valuable to marketers. So far, the only assurances we have that this information will not be used in such a manner has come from fanbois like you. Excuse me if I don't take your word as verification of CCP's actions. Insightful. I think like a programmer and immediately dismissed this because I know what I would use this for, and that's not it. I am a F/OSS developer and this data would be used for other purposes, not to identify someone and their video hardware for marketing purposes. Okay, you have my attention and yes you are correct... this can be a problem.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:14:00 - [75] Originally by: Alrione The tinfoil is strong in this one. Guys, CCP knows your name, where you live and bank details PANIC It's not so much a matter of tinfoil as of wanting to be the one in control of what data I deliver to a commercial company. If they ask me, and provide a list of exactly what they want, I'm happy to oblige. If not, I don't KNOW whether they're up to no good! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:17:00 - [76] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Alrione The tinfoil is strong in this one. Guys, CCP knows your name, where you live and bank details PANIC It's not so much a matter of tinfoil as of wanting to be the one in control of what data I deliver to a commercial company. If they ask me, and provide a list of exactly what they want, I'm happy to oblige. If not, I don't KNOW whether they're up to no good! Its a trust issue. If you dont trust said company dont give access - its as simple as that. If you dont trust CCP to protect your data, then dont connect to EVE Online. There you go - you have your option. C. New Scanner Idea!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:18:00 - [77] My GOD! What harm could CCP do if they got their hands on things like my credit card information, or my address?! MY IDENTITY HAS BEEN COMPROMISED! ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:20:00 - [78] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Alrione The tinfoil is strong in this one. Guys, CCP knows your name, where you live and bank details PANIC It's not so much a matter of tinfoil as of wanting to be the one in control of what data I deliver to a commercial company. If they ask me, and provide a list of exactly what they want, I'm happy to oblige. If not, I don't KNOW whether they're up to no good! Its a trust issue. If you dont trust said company dont give access - its as simple as that. If you dont trust CCP to protect your data, then dont connect to EVE Online. There you go - you have your option. C. That's it in a nutshell basically. If you honestly believe that CCP are up to no good or will be up to no good regarding such information then just leave. They've been pretty upfront and honest with stating what info they are logging and why.
Glassback Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:23:00 - [79] Personally I don't give a monkies. Anyone with enough resources can find out every last detail of you life if they tried hard enough. The point is there are 100's of millions of people and tbh unless it's DL child **** do you really think anyone cares THAT much about what you do with your life? G. LinkedIn
Siresa Talesi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:27:00 - [80] Edited by: Siresa Talesi on 12/04/2008 18:29:55 Edited by: Siresa Talesi on 12/04/2008 18:28:33 Originally by: Wild Rho That's it in a nutshell basically. If you honestly believe that CCP are up to no good or will be up to no good regarding such information then just leave. They've been pretty upfront and honest with stating what info they are logging and why. If that's true, then why would it be so hard to offer a written statement as part of their EULA to verify that? Is it so unreasonable to expect CCP to give the same assurances that any other reputable company would? This is standard operating procedure when any company wants your information, the exception being those who would misuse it. The fact that CCP has not given the same standard assurances is what raises suspicion. "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy
Bradley Hudson Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:31:00 - [81] The only thing here that needs to know what hardware I'm running is the software inside my machine. Outside my machine, the information sent to ccp servers should be game data only. So CCP wants to exploit it's playerbase for marketing purposes? ROFL, this is the kind of stuff that always digs a big hole for CCP. Bradley.ini
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Bradley Hudson So CCP wants to exploit it's playerbase for marketing purposes? ROFL, this is the kind of stuff that always digs a big hole for CCP. Bradley.ini Please explain how this would be "exploited for marketing purposes" and not "exploited for more thorough QA." ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
VinkNut Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:40:00 - [83] oh shut up you weirdo's, seriously who cares ?
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:42:00 - [84] Originally by: Siresa Talesi Edited by: Siresa Talesi on 12/04/2008 18:29:55 Edited by: Siresa Talesi on 12/04/2008 18:28:33 Originally by: Wild Rho That's it in a nutshell basically. If you honestly believe that CCP are up to no good or will be up to no good regarding such information then just leave. They've been pretty upfront and honest with stating what info they are logging and why. If that's true, then why would it be so hard to offer a written statement as part of their EULA to verify that? Is it so unreasonable to expect CCP to give the same assurances that any other reputable company would? This is standard operating procedure when any company wants your information, the exception being those who would misuse it. The fact that CCP has not given the same standard assurances is what raises suspicion. Depends on what you deem 'reasonable action'. Again, if it doesnt meet your exacting requirements to the extent that you do not trust CCP then simply quit. Really, its that simple. C. New Scanner Idea!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:51:00 - [85] I don't midn marketting putpose cuz if my bilboard would habe some contant. Honesly, it is not realy a prublem. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Siresa Talesi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Bradley Hudson So CCP wants to exploit it's playerbase for marketing purposes? ROFL, this is the kind of stuff that always digs a big hole for CCP. Bradley.ini Please explain how this would be "exploited for marketing purposes" and not "exploited for more thorough QA." I would rather CCP explain that. "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy
Siresa Talesi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.12 18:55:00 - [87] Originally by: Cailais Depends on what you deem 'reasonable action'. Again, if it doesnt meet your exacting requirements to the extent that you do not trust CCP then simply quit. Really, its that simple. C. What is so exacting about wanting a standard privacy disclaimer??? Honestly, I'm not asking that much, am I? "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy
Neth'Rae Gallente Neth's Workshop	Posted - 2008.04.12 19:13:00 - [88] Originally by: Kerfira but the whole point is that I don't want a commercial company cherry-picking what information from my computer they want, simply because I don't know what they'll take next without telling me! Uhm.. That doesn't make sense at all.. Then you should not be playing at all, because that can happen even if they stop collecting the GPU information, so that argument is totally irrelevant.. It's like, the cleaner at your company says "I'm gonna start writting down how dirty each room I'm cleaning is" and you tell him "noway, then you might start writing down something else as well and not tell me".. But he might do that anyway, so it's not really a relevant argument.. Request signatures at EVE-GFX
Blue Binary Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.12 19:14:00 - [89] Originally by: Siresa Talesi Originally by: Cailais Depends on what you deem 'reasonable action'. Again, if it doesnt meet your exacting requirements to the extent that you do not trust CCP then simply quit. Really, its that simple. C. What is so exacting about wanting a standard privacy disclaimer??? Honestly, I'm not asking that much, am I? Dear Miss Neurosis, If you live in Europe you are protected by The Privacy and Electronic Communications (EC Directive) Regulations, 2003. It states you have to be given the option of an "opt-out" in any marketing material sent to you. Under UK law (Data Protection Act 1998), you have to tell the individual what you are doing with the information you are collecting. You can put in writing if you object to receiving any direct marketing material. Iceland also has privacy laws, but i don't understand Icelandic to read the details. I'm not sure if CCP fall under the duristiction of UK law. They have premises (servers) located in London, so they must operate under UK law as well as Icelandic law? Anyway, as others have pointed out if you really object to it, then simply quit Eve. Or consult a lawyer... Personally, i think your making mountains. ____________ Blue B⁫⁫⁫⁫inary
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.12 19:17:00 - [90] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Wild Rho The really daft thing is everything you've complained about in your post (and others like yours) has nothing to do with what CCP are doing, they're not collecting your personal information, they're not selling it to other companies or using it for advertising purposes. How do you know they're not? How do you know they won't expand it in the future?? You may trust CCP enough, but some doesn't.... So you can trust CCP with all sorts of personal info, like your credit card number, but your graphics card, or any other type of hardware in your computer is over the line? That makes sense.

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