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Tom Willson	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:33:00 - [121] Edited by: Tom Willson on 12/04/2008 23:35:20 If you are so concerned about this just quit. There's no real point in arguing about it since unless you mean you care about our lives and that ye'll weep for us when CCP comes along, hand in hand with Microsoft to stomp on our little houses. They won't log your info anymore, you'll be happy and we can keep the forums cleaner from stuff we don't care about. This falls into the same category as announcing "I'm leaving EVE due to <Insert pointless whine here>". And if you merely do this to try and change stuff read the x other posts by people, and by CPP. If you can't trust this then see top, quit.
Aism Caldari FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:37:00 - [122] Originally by: Rover Vitesse Originally by: TheArchJudge If i can't get to play eve on whatever crap pc i have i am quitting the game! :P Good. I am sick of hearing about your donkey powered laptop. I second your donkey powered laptop and raise you a gerbil powered one! Aism
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:41:00 - [123] Originally by: Kerfira I don't trust ANY commercial company to go datamining on my PC. Why? Because their loyalty is not to me, but to their shareholders! And you just missed something alot of people miss. If CCP's loyalty is to their shareholders, then they will do things to make the shareholders happy. Collecting GFX data to help improve the game and make it more appealing for playings, causing higher account retention means more money. Shareholders are happy. Collecting GFX data, then deciding to collect more data that isn't needed, would cause backlash like with SOE's rootkit, causing players to leave and revenue to drop. Shareholders are unhappy.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:46:00 - [124] Originally by: Thorradin Originally by: Kerfira I don't trust ANY commercial company to go datamining on my PC. Why? Because their loyalty is not to me, but to their shareholders! And you just missed something alot of people miss. If CCP's loyalty is to their shareholders, then they will do things to make the shareholders happy. Collecting GFX data to help improve the game and make it more appealing for playings, causing higher account retention means more money. Shareholders are happy. Collecting GFX data, then deciding to collect more data that isn't needed, would cause backlash like with SOE's rootkit, causing players to leave and revenue to drop. Shareholders are unhappy. CCP is not a public company, therefore I'm fairly certain that it doesn't have shareholders.
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:00:00 - [125] Heh..great mentality. Players: "OMG CCP FIX YOUR GAME SO ITS COMPATIBLE WITH ALL OUR DODGY GPU'S!!" CCP: Okay Players: "..WTF?? OMFG!! CCP YOU ARE VIOLATING OUR PRIVACY!! I NEVER SAID YOU COULD HAVE MY GPU DETAILS!!" CCP: ..but... Players: "NO!! YOU ARE EBIL!! YOU WILL SELL MY DETAILS TO FICTIONAL SHAREHOLDERS THAT DONT EXIST AND VARIOUS MARKET AVENUES FOR PROFITZ!!" CCP: "..But you said..." Players: "AMAGAWD WHY DIDNT YOU TELL US!!!" CCP: "We just wanted to make the game bettis interupted" Players: "FIX THE GAME AND DONT STEAL MAH COMPUTER INFOz!!" CCP: ...
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:03:00 - [126] Originally by: Siresa Talesi Edited by: Siresa Talesi on 12/04/2008 18:29:55 Edited by: Siresa Talesi on 12/04/2008 18:28:33 Originally by: Wild Rho That's it in a nutshell basically. If you honestly believe that CCP are up to no good or will be up to no good regarding such information then just leave. They've been pretty upfront and honest with stating what info they are logging and why. If that's true, then why would it be so hard to offer a written statement as part of their EULA to verify that? Is it so unreasonable to expect CCP to give the same assurances that any other reputable company would? This is standard operating procedure when any company wants your information, the exception being those who would misuse it. The fact that CCP has not given the same standard assurances is what raises suspicion. The EULA already states that CCP may collect data from you: D. Software Updates CCP may from time to time update or otherwise modify the Software electronically. You hereby grant CCP permission to: (i) extract hardware system profile data from your computer; (ii) extract information from your computer's file directories pertaining to the Game and your ability to access the System; (iii) download to your computer content and Game files and any data related to the operation of the Game. The foregoing applies to any computer from which you log into the System using your Account.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:13:00 - [127] Originally by: Cadela Fria Heh..great mentality. Players: "OMG CCP FIX YOUR GAME SO ITS COMPATIBLE WITH ALL OUR DODGY GPU'S!!" CCP: Okay Players: "..WTF?? OMFG!! CCP YOU ARE VIOLATING OUR PRIVACY!! I NEVER SAID YOU COULD HAVE MY GPU DETAILS!!" CCP: ..but... Players: "NO!! YOU ARE EBIL!! YOU WILL SELL MY DETAILS TO FICTIONAL SHAREHOLDERS THAT DONT EXIST AND VARIOUS MARKET AVENUES FOR PROFITZ!!" CCP: "..But you said..." Players: "AMAGAWD WHY DIDNT YOU TELL US!!!" CCP: "We just wanted to make the game bettis interupted" Players: "FIX THE GAME AND DONT STEAL MAH COMPUTER INFOz!!" CCP: ... Sad but true :( "NOW FIX THE DAMN GAME OR I WILL QUIT WITH ALL OF MY ACCOUNTS AND ALL MY FRIENDS WILL QUIT TOO AND I AM WRITING IN CAPS BECAUSE I AM A PAYING CUSTOMER ANDIWILLWRITEINCAPSASLONGASIWANTANDRABBLERABBLERABBLEBADGERBADGERMUSHROOMSNAKELOLOLOLOLNEWBSROFLZOMGMAO!!!!!!!!1111oneeleven!!" No wonder the devs are feeling so abused
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:21:00 - [128] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Thorradin Originally by: Kerfira I don't trust ANY commercial company to go datamining on my PC. Why? Because their loyalty is not to me, but to their shareholders! And you just missed something alot of people miss. If CCP's loyalty is to their shareholders, then they will do things to make the shareholders happy. Collecting GFX data to help improve the game and make it more appealing for playings, causing higher account retention means more money. Shareholders are happy. Collecting GFX data, then deciding to collect more data that isn't needed, would cause backlash like with SOE's rootkit, causing players to leave and revenue to drop. Shareholders are unhappy. CCP is not a public company, therefore I'm fairly certain that it doesn't have shareholders. Then replace shareholders with whoever is getting all the revenue, would still be just as valid.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:25:00 - [129] Originally by: Thorradin Then replace shareholders with whoever is getting all the revenue, would still be just as valid. What point? Suggesting that CCP is loyal to itself is like suggesting that human being generally don't like dying. What possible reason could they have for this aside from improving their QA procedures and developing more accurate testing environments?
Kharadran Sullath Caldari The Fallen Gingerbread Men Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:30:00 - [130] Originally by: Thorradin The EULA already states that CCP may collect data from you: D. Software Updates CCP may from time to time update or otherwise modify the Software electronically. You hereby grant CCP permission to: (i) extract hardware system profile data from your computer; (ii) extract information from your computer's file directories pertaining to the Game and your ability to access the System; (iii) download to your computer content and Game files and any data related to the operation of the Game. The foregoing applies to any computer from which you log into the System using your Account. And that's the end of the argument. Everyone who has spent too much time with "The Matrix", "A Scanner Darkly" and "1984" can go away. ------ Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull** and troll. If you are deaf**, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:37:00 - [131] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Thorradin Then replace shareholders with whoever is getting all the revenue, would still be just as valid. What point? Suggesting that CCP is loyal to itself is like suggesting that human being generally don't like dying. What possible reason could they have for this aside from improving their QA procedures and developing more accurate testing environments? That's my point. Someone was raving that CCP would sell the info or whatever, yet doing so would cost them more than they'd likely gain, and since no company is going to intentionally hurt itself, it's not likely CCP is going to start selling GPU info and causing discontent with the players when they can use to to improve the game and their income. tl;dr version: CCP aren't going to sell the info because it will do them more harm than good.
Parifactor Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:38:00 - [132] Originally by: Thorradin The EULA already states that CCP may collect data from you: D. Software Updates CCP may from time to time update or otherwise modify the Software electronically. You hereby grant CCP permission to: (i) extract hardware system profile data from your computer; (ii) extract information from your computer's file directories pertaining to the Game and your ability to access the System; (iii) download to your computer content and Game files and any data related to the operation of the Game. The foregoing applies to any computer from which you log into the System using your Account. I did read the EULA when I signed up and I'm fairly certain (i) was missing. Must have been in one of the EULA updates over the last few years.
Major Death Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:57:00 - [133] Why Worry. This is just CCP trying to raise the bar again when it comes to patch screw ups. Last time they rendered PC's unbootable by knocking out the OS. This time they aim to go one further and destroy hardware (endless test loop overheats GPU). Who knows, maybe the ambulation patch will injure users?
Octaviun Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.04.13 01:07:00 - [134] Why do people post this crap forgive CCP for trying to improve your performance I don't think anyone really cares if their computer specs are taken CCP even told you before they did it another company would probably take it anyways if they wanted to use it without telling you. Thanks CCP for improving my game.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.13 01:27:00 - [135] Next you'll whine about your IPs being recorded... Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Animin Mannja	Posted - 2008.04.13 02:38:00 - [136] Also from the EULA: Quote: B. Personal Information CCP does not guarantee that personal information transmitted to the System, including without limitation information in your Account, will not be disclosed to third parties. While CCP's aim is to keep your personal information confidential and CCP employs security measures to protect the System, third parties may unlawfully intercept transmissions or private communications, or access data within the System. Additionally, CCP may (and you hereby expressly authorize CCP to) disclose information about you to private entities, law enforcement or other government officials, as CCP, in its sole discretion, deems necessary or appropriate to investigate or resolve possible crimes or to respond to judicial, regulatory, agency or similar inquiries. CCP may monitor usage of the System to gather statistical information that it may disclose to third parties. CCP may also contact you using the information you provided to, for example, provide technical support, respond to user inquiries, transmit questionnaires and offer products and services. You may also verify and update your Account information by logging into your Account through the account management page at https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp. Note that it differentiates between personal and statistical information. They'll be able to tell people "63% of users use Nvidia cards" but can't tie that to personal info unless legal doohickeys are involved. Oh and that first bit "does not guarantee" is just CYA in case of hackers.
Shaun Klaroh	Posted - 2008.04.13 04:44:00 - [137] I'm usually not a big fan of logging, but I really don't see what the problem is here. By understanding what cards are being used, CCP can pro-actively select which cards to support. One thing that can possibly be holding the system back is legacy support for older hardware. By having this information available, CCP will be able to make decisions that need to be made about how to improve the client. ---- By the way.. this is the best thread I've ever read. And now for something completely different.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.04.13 05:39:00 - [138] Edited by: Amastat on 13/04/2008 05:39:33 This is a log entry from GM petitions: --- -- 11/06/2007: WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE RWAR RWAR WHINE WHINE NERF NERF NERF WHINE WHINE PIRATE GRIEF GRIEF GRIEF WHINE CRY CRY CRY WHINE CRY 11/08/2007: CRY CRY CRY CRY CRY CRY NERF NERF NERF CRY CRY NERF AMARR NERF NERF DRONES DRONES CRY CRY CRY CRY BLOBS CRY CRY BOB BOB BOB CRY CRY GOONS CRY 11/11/2007: CRY WHINE CRY NERF NERF CRY HELPME HELPME 12/05/2007: CRY CRY CRY WHINE CRY CRY HELPME DIE DIE DIE CRY DIE WHINE WHINE IHATEYOU --- -- As you may of guessed those aren't real entry's - they aren't, but the point is overwhelmingly prevalent Stop griefing CCP - give them a break, they are doing this to improve the game play - you have nothing to fear unless your computer is filled with inappropriate pictures of preteen children or if your computer houses the server for some ISK farming site. If you persistant to be a critic, to the Simon's out there - it sounds like you have something to hide or you are too accustomed at complaining. "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the Art of War
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.13 06:44:00 - [139] Want to keep your personal info and browsing habits safe from all prying eyes? Go to Wal-Mart and get one of thier $299 computer bundles to do all your ** surfing and bill paying and only use your leet $2000 gaming rig for well.. Gaming. How hard can it be? Originally by:** Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
Evita Achura Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.13 07:00:00 - [140] Originally by: Souisa ...tin foil hattery... There is an easy way to protect your privacy from the evil graphics card monsters at CCP. Quit the game give me your stuffs. Also regarding forums. MSN already does that. Google already does that. Yahoo already does that. How is this any different from any other "egregious privacy violation" that takes completly useless data that you are over protective of and makes genuine good use of. When they start sniffing credit card numbers gime a call till then less QQ. also... Posting in a thread where the dev made the first joke!
The Icefox Gallente Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 07:06:00 - [141] Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 13/04/2008 00:13:12 Heh..great mentality. Players: "OMG CCP FIX YOUR GAME SO ITS COMPATIBLE WITH ALL OUR DODGY GPU'S!!" CCP: Okay Players: "..WTF?? OMFG!! CCP YOU ARE VIOLATING OUR PRIVACY!! I NEVER SAID YOU COULD HAVE MY GPU DETAILS!!" CCP: ..but... Players: "NO!! YOU ARE EBIL!! YOU WILL SELL MY DETAILS TO FICTIONAL SHAREHOLDERS THAT DONT EXIST AND VARIOUS MARKET AVENUES FOR PROFITZ!!" CCP: "..But you said..." Players: "AMAGAWD WHY DIDNT YOU TELL US!!!" CCP: "We just wanted to make the game bettis interupted" Players: "FIX THE GAME AND DONT STEAL MAH COMPUTER INFOz!!" CCP: ... --- Not only that, but I'm pretty sure it says in the EULA that you give CCP permission to get that information. EDIT: Like the bright young man quoted below me..good job! So..there you all have it. Now. Hush and come back to reality. Lol and This. You sir are win.
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.13 08:52:00 - [142] BAWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.04.13 09:34:00 - [143] Anyone who really cares about this, just quit, you lame ass, whiney biatches. You've already given permision for them to do it, its only your gpu information, you already trust them with your credit card, your just making a issue out of it because your idiots.
Aclyn Seriy Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.13 10:02:00 - [144] To everyone in here that seems to think CCP is evil and underhand for recording your GPU/Mem/CPU info to make EVE a better game please quit. Are you that stupid, that moronic that you can find evil plans in something so completely mundane and normal? Do any of you get out at all? Do you even live in the real world? What exactly do you lot think they are going to do with such freely available information anyway? Let them take the system information for god sake, then perhaps we wont see anymore threads screaming "OMG EVE KILLED MY GFX CARD" or "OMG TEH MEM LEAK IS KILLIN MA PC" and other things of that ilk. If we as customers provide CCP with as much information about our setups as we can, that will allow CCP to cater for more of us. Gone will be the days of players finding that the latest patch of EVE didnt work with their GFX cards, gone will be the days of people having to scrounge round the EO forums or some nerdy fansite looking for poor, temporary fixes to their woes. Hell, we dont even have to DO anything to help, no questionnaires, no e-mails, no mess no fuss. Come on people, how often do we ALL moan about something not working right? Now we have an opportunity to do something constructive. So lets put away our tin-foil hats and lay down our copies of 1984 and join the real world, If you want EVE to be a better place, do your bit. I for one will do everything I can to make EVE better, even if it means sitting down and manually collating and e-mailing this info to CCP myself. And if it all bothers you THAT much, then do as I suggested at the beginning of my post.......quit.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.13 10:25:00 - [145] Edited by: Kerfira on 13/04/2008 10:25:33 You can make all the arguments in the world why we should trust CCP to be the worlds purest rosy-smelling company, but the fact is that some of us don't! I haven't got a beef with them getting info about graphics card. It's a non-topic really since everyone can see the usefulness of that. What I'm worried about is what they'll attach to the list of what they collect NEXT (without telling)! There's all kind of lucrative data on a PC that any marketing department would like their hands on. Browser history... Other installed software... etc. etc. You may trust CCP's marketing department to be goody-goody people not wishing to do any harm, but when all is said and done, they're there to make money, not to ensure your privacy. As long as that is their priority list, they're not trustworthy. What's the big problem in letting those of us who don't trust them opt out? Hell, even make the option 'On' by default is no problem as long as we get the option. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Francis Verdictio BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.04.13 11:14:00 - [146] Edited by: Francis Verdictio on 13/04/2008 11:39:38 Originally by: Kerfira You can make all the arguments in the world why we should trust CCP to be the worlds purest rosy-smelling company, but the fact is that some of us don't! I haven't got a beef with them getting info about graphics card. It's a non-topic really since everyone can see the usefulness of that. What I'm worried about is what they'll attach to the list of what they collect NEXT (without telling)! There's all kind of lucrative data on a PC that any marketing department would like their hands on. Browser history... Other installed software... etc. etc. You may trust CCP's marketing department to be goody-goody people not wishing to do any harm, but when all is said and done, they're there to make money, not to ensure your privacy. As long as that is their priority list, they're not trustworthy. What's the big problem in letting those of us who don't trust them opt out? Hell, even make the option 'On' by default is no problem as long as we get the option. The question is: Why are you still buying a product you don't trust? It's like buying haircare products from Cher, she's wearing a wig! First point: CCP has had access to this information from day one of EVE Online. Second point: They actually told us that they are going to do a global infogather on that info, before doing it. Now, I don't mind if they do put an 'opt out' on the installer, for PR reasons, but do realize that it is absurd. If you don't trust CCP, why would you trust the 'opt-out' button? Why would you trust them not to datamine your computer right now, since they obviously have the means and opportunity, and you can't trust them to do what they say when they're telling you what they're going to do? If trust is your issue, then you need to really reconsider using the product. Or, you may also realize that allowing for this thing to happen does not remove the barrier for CCP to data-mine other things from your computer, if in fact they haven't done so already. But since we obviously can't trust CCP, and all who do are raving fanbois, CCP must already have your pant size, little 'medical' problems, mortgage information, car make, model and color, criminal record, bank account balances and the malaysian sex slave midget you hold in your closet written down somewhere. It's like they're global FBI, Interpol, CIA and Mossad doing cooperative datagathering on all their 400k subscribers (). So don't worry and learn to love the bomb. :D () Of course, they don't have info on all of us, just the interesting ones, y'know, the kind that make the devs laugh. Edit: fixed quotes.
Luh Windan Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.04.13 11:43:00 - [147] Originally by: Kerfira What I'm worried about is what they'll attach to the list of what they collect NEXT (without telling)! There's all kind of lucrative data on a PC that any marketing department would like their hands on. Browser history... Other installed software... etc. etc. !!! So you don't trust CCP to not steal info from your computer - what the hell are you doing with anything written by them installed on it then? Do you have any other software installed either? do you have it plugged into the internet. What makes you trust your a) operating system vendor? b) your ISP more than you trust CCP. Especially since a good amount of operating system vendors and ISP's have been shown to collect information (and occasionally stuff they really shouldn't be) My advice to you - assuming the points you are making are what you actually think - is turn you computer off right now.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.13 11:45:00 - [148] Edited by: LaVista Vista on 13/04/2008 11:46:21 Are you afraid they are gonna steal information? You just failed the first test then, didn't you? They have your IP address already Also, as far as i understand quite a bit of data about the state of the client is sent to the server on auth(). So seriously, what difference is it gonna make, other than the fact more people will be able to run future things more smoothly? EDIT: Lack of pirate smilies
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2008.04.13 12:02:00 - [149] Originally by: CCP Prism X Originally by: Siresa Talesi Exactly. Trust in CCP is tenuous at best at the moment. This is not exactly the sort of action/response that will improve that trust. I don't expect anything inherently wrong here, but I do believe that CCP is pusing their luck. Why are we trying to cause hysteria? The fact that this is already exposed by your operating system Yes, what is the big hue and cry, anyway? Your car has a licence plate. Anyone who has half a beef against you can use that to find out who you are, where you work, where you live... and more. Many new cars have your VIN etched right into the window and I know I can walk right up and steal your car uncontested by any cop (or even assisted by a cop) at any time I wish with that information. Your name is typically on your mailbox, too, which already gives everyone enough info to use for their own ends. All of this is freely available to anyone at any time but 98% of the world won't care that it is or use it if they did. So, okay, MS delivers my system hardware info to anyone that asks... no way I can effectively block that short of doing some really creepy technical gymnastics. You can block messenger not to spam your IP out there to anyone and everyone, but beyond that you need some heavy duty tech savvy.
Ryau Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.13 12:03:00 - [150] This post has no sense at all. It seems that some people think that CCP is making a conspiration against us, the customer, and the first setep is to know which GPU we have installe on the computer? Anyway, the fact is that I thought they already knew which GPU I had so... This is completely legal, dones not have any negative effect on anyone so where is the problem, I am unable to see where is the problem. Just play and stop worrying about nonsenses, you'll have one less problem to worry about.

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