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Nova Fox
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.13 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 13/04/2008 03:26:43
US Congress seeks to pass a new bill that will allow the possibilty though loopholes that every single art work you have ever created to be stolen and no possible real protection over it.
The following links can explain it better:
V For Vengance's Devaint Art Journal
Animation World Magazine Editorial Blog
Sell your TV concept's Orphaned Works Legislation Information
Illustrators Partnership Editorial Blog
How does this effect you or eve?
Imagine a person taking all the concept artwork of eve's ships and registering it as his own then turning around and suing ccp for every ship you guys ever flown?
This isnt just eve but millions of artist around the world with portfolios and thier jobs on the line, and billions of thier artworks!
The problem is not everyone knows about this law! Spread the word, US citizens fax (far more effective if you flood thier entire office with paper) or email your law makers, congressmen or senators, US and Non US citizens you can sign this petition here
Deviants against the "Orpaned Works" Bill
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Blood Daemon
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.13 03:31:00 -
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oh noes >.<... 
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techzer0
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Posted - 2008.04.13 03:43:00 -
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Ouch... didn't know about that. Haven't been on deviantart for ages... 
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2008.04.13 03:50:00 -
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I would assume ccp is covered under Icelandic copyright law and/or EU copyright law
but that is really not cool 
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.04.13 03:59:00 -
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Huh.
So your intellectual property only matters if you have money basically. Big movie studios = Important. Everyone else = No.
Fascinating.
btw you typo'd Quote:
Deviants against the "Orphaned Works" Bill
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Nova Fox
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:01:00 -
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Fixed the typo and from what i understand the artist who even register for the protection still wont be protected.
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Shaun Klaroh
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:15:00 -
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So pretty much companies like Fox News and the NFL would get away with utilizing copyrighted images and works of art for free with all these opportunities, while the same groups are able to spend ridiculous amounts of cash to keep on top of everything?
I didn't delve into it too much, mainly because I can only stand so much legal text in a day, but the major questions I have are:
1) How much does it actually cost to register a work of art.
2) Does each work of art have to be submitted independently.
3) Does this include audio/video/interactive material?
4) How long would it take to actually register a copyrighted work?
5) What happens when two people submit identical pieces of work?
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Sothis Antares
PBA Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:19:00 -
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imagine, there are people who are not affected by US law
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises
The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Havok Dryke on 13/04/2008 04:20:51
This new law has officially made me sad in the pants.
Lucky for me I'm not a US citizen, eh....
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Nova Fox
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shaun Klaroh
So pretty much companies like Fox News and the NFL would get away with utilizing copyrighted images and works of art for free with all these opportunities, while the same groups are able to spend ridiculous amounts of cash to keep on top of everything?
I didn't delve into it too much, mainly because I can only stand so much legal text in a day, but the major questions I have are:
1) How much does it actually cost to register a work of art.
2) Does each work of art have to be submitted independently.
3) Does this include audio/video/interactive material?
4) How long would it take to actually register a copyrighted work?
5) What happens when two people submit identical pieces of work?
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1)5$ a peice, for me it would cost me 800$ to register my entire portfolio and god knows how much more to register my entire collection of ideas.
2)yes
3)depends on the documents definition of art, but art can range from food recipies/preperation to car concepts to the design of your own tv and couch and computer even the art on the casing of your video card (should it be that fancy) could be subject.
4)I dont know.
5)basically it depends who has more money, but the registery isnt garantee protection anymore where current system would offer almost equal protection this just causes more money to be tossed into the legal system.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:26:00 -
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Oh for those of you not understanding this effects everything on the internet. US Citzen OR NOT
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Sothis Antares
PBA Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sothis Antares on 13/04/2008 04:32:09
Originally by: Nova Fox
Oh for those of you not understanding this effects everything on the internet. US Citzen OR NOT
hohoho, since when does the usa have rights to make laws applicable to the whole internet?
edit: this is pretty much the same with software patents. luckily i am a eu citizen and can say that i don't give a damn about them when writing own software.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:33:00 -
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Thats the point it never did and I would liek to have this law shut down because it screws over everyone on the internet.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:41:00 -
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I havent read all the articles, but wouldnt the person or individual first need the orginal images? I mean if someone did do this this would need to show proof of ownership in court. A downloaded, low res image of a concept artwork is not going to stand up against the genuine hand drawn piece.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 13/04/2008 04:48:15
according to the new law should it pass it wouldnt matter anymore its all in the registrering the artwork.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.04.13 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
Edited by: Nova Fox on 13/04/2008 04:48:15
according to the new law should it pass it wouldnt matter anymore its all in the registrering the artwork.
Meh, guess I should yank all my orginal artwork off of photobucket then. Hope this isnt passed.
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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.13 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
Edited by: Nova Fox on 13/04/2008 04:00:30
Edited by: Nova Fox on 13/04/2008 03:26:43
US Congress....
and this affects everyone outside the US, including CCP--which is based in UMMMMM ICELAND--how?
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Nova Fox
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.13 05:12:00 -
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Joe Smoe in the US looking to make a quick buck decided to register the concept art for the rohk for example. Then sues ccp in atlanta for stealing his artwork.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.04.13 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Kutie
Originally by: Nova Fox
Edited by: Nova Fox on 13/04/2008 04:00:30
Edited by: Nova Fox on 13/04/2008 03:26:43
US Congress....
and this affects everyone outside the US, including CCP--which is based in UMMMMM ICELAND--how?
Im not in law but I would imagine it would atleast be an issue if the theif was in the united states. If the person is in the united states when he filed the registration for the piece I would imagine it would have to be taken up in a US court or atleast would be pushed for.
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Moo Unit
Irrational Exuberance
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Posted - 2008.04.13 05:15:00 -
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Awesome, the frowny face copyright will be all mine!
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Shaun Klaroh
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Posted - 2008.04.13 05:21:00 -
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Someone already has the trademark.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.13 05:25:00 -
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Better yet joe smoe in the states steals all fo ccps art work and starts selling it as his own. ccp couldnt collect royalty from his profits even though it belonged to ccp.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.04.13 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shaun Klaroh
Someone already has the trademark.
:-(
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Trolsk
Red.
Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.04.13 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shaun Klaroh
Someone already has the trademark.
Heh, a few funnies there
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jongalt
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Posted - 2008.04.13 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: jongalt on 13/04/2008 06:04:59
Edited by: jongalt on 13/04/2008 06:03:19
Edited by: jongalt on 13/04/2008 06:02:56
Originally by: Shaun Klaroh
I didn't delve into it too much, mainly because I can only stand so much legal text in a day, but the major questions I have are:
1) How much does it actually cost to register a work of art.
2) Does each work of art have to be submitted independently.
3) Does this include audio/video/interactive material?
4) How long would it take to actually register a copyrighted work?
5) What happens when two people submit identical pieces of work?
1. if you register your "portfolio" as a "collection" with the US copyright office, its $30 USD for virtually unlimited items at the time of registration. ive registered hundreds of photographs every year for years, and its always been $30. im not sure where the other guy is getting this $5 per item fee from.
2. no. when you d/l the pdf, fill out the form for as many items that you want to copyright for that particular submission. ive submitted hundreds of photographs under one registration.
3. yes.
4. it is effectively registered with the USGov the moment they receive the fedex package. however, the paperwork takes about 30 - 60 days. if you have commerical work, it is your responsibility to register for copyright within 90 days of publication.
5. there are certain guidelines that are applied to cases where images are appropriated, or "copied from a comp of a specific image". remember, agencies dont have to steal your particular image, they can pay somebody else to make an image very very similiar to yours. this is the grey zone that most litigation falls into.
since i cba to do the href shuffle, here is the link to the US gov copyright website:http://www.copyright.gov/
and just to stir things up a bit: theres a difference between "appropriation" and outright stealing. ill leave it to y'all to discuss the difference. lol. if you feel like it. and have the time.
richard prince might be a good topic. is he a thief, or is he an artist?
sherry levine?
louise lawler?
lol.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.04.13 15:37:00 -
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I was talking about this over breakfast with my folks today and my mother brought up a good point about this, what is going to happen to all the artwork featured in Muesums (sp), or the work of the great artists. Are they going to have to chizzle some sort of copyright notice into David's right butt cheek otherwise Joe Blow can legally wheele out the statue and plop it in his back yard?
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.13 15:52:00 -
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Is there a link to the original bill text anywhere?
Not that I really give a frack about US law, but I'm just curious.
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Luh Windan
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.04.13 15:54:00 -
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Its in the internet so it must be true....
or not
Please use your brains
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Luh Windan
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.04.13 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Luh Windan on 13/04/2008 15:56:07
Originally by: Winterblink
Is there a link to the original bill text anywhere?
Not that I really give a frack about US law, but I'm just curious.
no - because this is just FUD being spread by someone with little or no understanding of the issues and there is no bill at present. There is a proposed bill to deal with orphan works but it bears no relation to the rubbish being spread about
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2008.04.13 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Is there a link to the original bill text anywhere?
Not that I really give a frack about US law, but I'm just curious.
I'm wondering the same. I haven't found a single reference that points to a bill number or any solid details about the wording of this.
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