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Priest Amarr Amarr Temple's Gate	Posted - 2008.04.15 05:02:00 - [61] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I wonder how GMs handle this. You say "my friend gave it to me". If someone buys 12bil he could say that too - and the seller, in order to not be banned would confirm this. CCP can't know if you paid rl cash or not, you could always say "it is my chinese pen-friend xang'lo from Bejing who gave me a birthday-gift of 12bil isk, nothing wrong here". If you trade the isk for 1 missile you could say "i was scammed" - is it illegal to be scammed ? Or you could say "that was a ransome for my ibis" - is it illegal to pay stupid ammounts of ransome ? Must be funny to be a GM responsible for proving that an isk transfer is a RMT. It is not that difficult to investigate. First they will check if the original owner of isk is somebody who can have that kind of money. How long you have been playing, are you in a known corp or alliance, what is your previous transactions, and all sort of other little details can show if you really are the kind of person who can own/receive that much of isk. There are many billion isk transactions, not every transactions gets a red flag immediately. History and reputation plays even a bigger role when it comes to situations like this. Be Safe Priest Amarr
Eternal Hatred Amarr Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.15 05:43:00 - [62] IGE has stockpiled more ISK? _________________ It's great being an Amarr, isn't it??? :(
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.15 06:08:00 - [63] These always start the same. "my friend gave me..." ------------------Sig-------------------------- Goons' greatest Pubbie!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.04.15 07:26:00 - [64] Originally by: Mrs Lady who cares if someone buys isk besides CCP they just want to make more money for themself's bye having people sell GTC's. I bet if you couldnt sell gtc's then they wouldnt enforce it. Wow, CCP want to make money from their game. What an amazing insight. Do you criticise resteraunts because they wont let anyone else sell food on their premises? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Slez Caldari R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.04.15 08:24:00 - [65] Edited by: Slez on 15/04/2008 08:25:13 Quote: I believe there are 2 dev blogs on why farmers are bad. Go read them. Yeah, because a CCP dev would be the most objective person ----------- Originally by: Wet Ferret If you really want to give CCP the finger you'll send your stuff to an ISK seller
Ghaelsto Kakram	Posted - 2008.04.15 08:31:00 - [66] Someone lost 600$ buying internet pixels.
Phoenix Torp	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:25:00 - [67] Related to the topic, is against the EULA to transfer ISK to other char of the same account?
Ragnor Dayton Amarr Personal Vendetta Reavers.	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:38:00 - [68] Originally by: Phoenix Torp Related to the topic, is against the EULA to transfer ISK to other char of the same account? No - it is only against the EULA to buy ISK for real money without using the secure GTC system. ------------------------------------------------ Just because your not paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny These always start the same. "my friend gave me..." And the last one (should have) ended with a GM apologising for not spending 2 minutes looking into it before wrongfully taking the ISK... but the fanboiz were unable to read the words and comprehend that GMs messed up, and they keep the thread alive hoping that if they keep pretending CCP is perfect, it will become true. I just implied CCP isn't perfect. And I think I hear the rumble of approaching fanboiz... WTB 15 year old repellant. --- Boring & Banal. Just how CCP like it.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:05:00 - [70] Would the OP want some cheese with the whine? Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:11:00 - [71] Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram Someone lost 600$ buying internet pixels. Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Lt Angus Caldari Wicked Crew	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:22:00 - [72] should destroy the jump freighters too
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:43:00 - [73] Originally by: Slez Edited by: Slez on 15/04/2008 08:29:21 I knew i'd find you here Malc! Mal knows all, sees all... Stop doing that you dirty boy! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
PhantomMajor Minmatar De-Medusa Industries.	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:52:00 - [74] Originally by: Lucille Austero i love these threads. lets me know ccp really is doing something about the problem. err not really, they are going after the buyers when they should be going after the sellers. if CCP under cut the sellers then it would put them out of business; of course they would stop playing and paying for eve so that would mean lost revenue too CCP. so CCP kills off a few isk buyer accounts, that wont hurt their annual profits but killing off isk seller accounts... i'm sure their share prices would start to drop and in this turbulent economy every real penny is a prisoner. Micheal Douglas said it best in the film Wall Street, Greed is Good Ladies and gentlemen, we will shortly be experiencing some exploding followed by some crashing...so i'd hold on if i were you!
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:56:00 - [75] What's the betting that your "friend" bought the ISK illegally and then gave it to you. _ EVE RELATED CONTENT
Ni'ka	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:59:00 - [76] Edited by: Ni''ka on 15/04/2008 11:59:41 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny These always start the same. "my friend gave me..." Well... Actually then my friend start playing EVE, i gave him around 700m... but 12b... I wanna have this kind of friends too... Oh wait, i don't... -12b on wallet sux
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:00:00 - [77] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny These always start the same. "my friend gave me..." Apart from those that start "Someone I know..." -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Krollin Minmatar Ki Shoda United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:10:00 - [78] Oh this is brilliant, I have just about managed to regain contorl of my wobbling belly! Oh the laughter.... As previously mentioned, why has the OP not responded, actually why on earth did the OP post in the first place, what on earth did he think he would gain....hmm TROLL... How about CCP put a percentage of the ISK to good causes....no wait that is something completely different..... Kro
Rodsy Federation of Xenotech Xenotech Celestial Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:18:00 - [79] Originally by: Ni'ka Edited by: Ni''ka on 15/04/2008 11:59:41 Well... Actually then my friend start playing EVE, i gave him around 700m... Did he continue playing for long? If I had that kind of money in the beginning I would have definitely gotten bored of the game because there would be no real goals to archive while learning the game.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:26:00 - [80] Originally by: Ni'ka Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny These always start the same. "my friend gave me..." Well... Actually then my friend start playing EVE, i gave him around 700m... but 12b... I wanna have this kind of friends too... Oh wait, i don't... -12b on wallet sux why would you give a new player 700m? IMO it's unhealthy for new players to have that kind of money. I'd hate to see yet another 1-month old deadspace-fit CNR die horribly because the pilot hasn't the faintest clue what's going on. ...
DrefsabZN	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:38:00 - [81] True but you may see my couple month old deadspace fitted CNR pwning every mission with ease. Though that said im an old player playing on a new account :P Seriously though 12bil isn't a lot of money really if you work for it, it just depends what stage/position you are in the game. I know people that could rustle up that kinda cash in as pocket change. Hell this character makes over 1bil a month just grinding lvl 4 missions when im board with nothing better to do (and selling the LP store items). Ether way if this transaction was real and valid then raise a petition giving the GM's the name of your "friend". They will then investigate it, check his transaction log's and maybe even just talk to him. If they find this was a valid and not related to isk selling then you will get everything back. GM's do make mistakes, its happened before and it will happen again, but they will put it right if you point it out.
William Alex Viscosity	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:40:00 - [82] Karma :)
City Chick	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:06:00 - [83] Originally by: Tarminic Was your friend named xxjjxjjsang? Now thats one of the funniest things I have read on the forums for a long time :)
Lakut Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:07:00 - [84] Originally by: PhantomMajor err not really, they are going after the buyers when they should be going after the sellers. if CCP under cut the sellers then it would put them out of business; of course they would stop playing and paying for eve so that would mean lost revenue too CCP. so CCP kills off a few isk buyer accounts, that wont hurt their annual profits but killing off isk seller accounts... i'm sure their share prices would start to drop and in this turbulent economy every real penny is a prisoner. Going after the sellers specifically is like trying to piss out a forest fire. Ban one and ten more ISK farmer accs will be created. The only way to fight in game money sales for real money is by punishing and discouraging the buyers by making it extremely risky, eliminating the market for ISK farmers and putting them out of business. Sadly, as long as dumb people are allowed to get on the intertubes, they will have costumers. And wtf are you talking about CCP undercutting them? You mean CCP should make a service to buy ISK directly from them with even lower prices? You realize how much ISK this would generate out of thin air? Does inflation ring a bell with you? And no, the maybe 500-1000 ISK farmer accs that get actually paid for won't put them out of business or make a noticeable dent in their balance if they were banned either. ---------- You get a wonderful view from the point of no return.
DrefsabZN	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:18:00 - [85] on the flip side its really REALLY easy to launder money in EVE so its not like it stop's people buying isk from the RMT'ers but it does punish those who do it stupidly :) While not as ideal as stopping everyone it certainly helps :D
Blake Warmark	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:02:00 - [86] Originally by: DrefsabZN on the flip side its really REALLY easy to launder money in EVE so its not like it stop's people buying isk from the RMT'ers but it does punish those who do it stupidly :) While not as ideal as stopping everyone it certainly helps :D Queues the Sopranos music. Kill/pariah the demand and the sellers dry up, and it looks like a few nice hits so far on buyers. Go the eaters of rotten shark.
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:08:00 - [87] if your friend did not buy the isk, then petition it - however, if CCP is just putting people into negative isk left and right in a semi-random fashion, then its not a solution, it becomes a problem in and of itself. ----
Xiong Yoshi Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:26:00 - [88] To the OP: I'm surprised no one else has asked this - but could you post a link to a screen shot of your wallet? No, I'm not asking for verification of who sent you the ISK - I just want to see a -12Bil ISK balance for S's and G's. BTW - I'd ask for ur stuffs... but then I'd have even less than I already do - so no thanks. ------------------------------------------------ There are only two types of ships: those which have blown up; and those which will.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:31:00 - [89] Originally by: Priest Amarr Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I wonder how GMs handle this. You say "my friend gave it to me". If someone buys 12bil he could say that too - and the seller, in order to not be banned would confirm this. CCP can't know if you paid rl cash or not, you could always say "it is my chinese pen-friend xang'lo from Bejing who gave me a birthday-gift of 12bil isk, nothing wrong here". If you trade the isk for 1 missile you could say "i was scammed" - is it illegal to be scammed ? Or you could say "that was a ransome for my ibis" - is it illegal to pay stupid ammounts of ransome ? Must be funny to be a GM responsible for proving that an isk transfer is a RMT. It is not that difficult to investigate. First they will check if the original owner of isk is somebody who can have that kind of money. How long you have been playing, are you in a known corp or alliance, what is your previous transactions, and all sort of other little details can show if you really are the kind of person who can own/receive that much of isk. There are many billion isk transactions, not every transactions gets a red flag immediately. History and reputation plays even a bigger role when it comes to situations like this. Be Safe Priest Amarr Don't think it's that easy. Why for example should someone, who is in an known alliance be less likely an isk-buyer than someone in a noob corp ? Isk buyers are people, who must care enough about the game and current events to spend lots of rl cash for pixels, and from that point of view a member of an alliance, which is just losing a war and runs out of funds and desperately needs new ships, is more likely to buy isk than a noob who has a smallscale-living in highsec. Or the newb could just be a 2nd or 3rd account from an older player, who still have this "connections". Previous transactions of an isk buyer might not show anything bad aswell, if it's a one-time-big-buyer (and only big transfer catch the GMs eyes ?). So in the end in most cases there will be only assumptions, suppositions and suspicions. CCP will deny someone play the game which he had paid rl cash for, based on circumstantial evidence. If that person brings the case to a court, CCP will have the burden of proof, they must bring a little more than just suspicions if they ban someone and with this reject to fulfill their part of the contract, which has been signed between CCP and the player. They may do it ofc. if the player breached the EULA, so the question, whether the player realy pay rl cash (which can hardly be proven) is a substantial one, you can't say here "oh this guy was playing longer and is in an alliance, he also trades a lot and has a nice face, so he probably isn't a cheater, whereas that ugly achura over there most likely received that isk for rl cash, let's give him a ban and spare the other one ... or lets give both a ban caus its raining outside".
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:37:00 - [90] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba CCP will deny someone play the game which he had paid rl cash for, based on circumstantial evidence. If that person brings the case to a court, CCP will have the burden of proof EULA. Nothing belongs to you. Except rights to play the game. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

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