Originally by: Bluebeard

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Sell the 2 Jump Freighters ?

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Originally by: Ralara

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Originally by: Bluebeard

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Sell the 2 Jump Freighters ?

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He'll have to use an alt or a friend - you can't sell things if you have negative isk - can't pay the market charges :D

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Originally by: Naias

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So.. is this another ISK seller trying to damage CCP's reputation?

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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I habe no life.

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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12B isk... how much that set you back? Must sting to know you paid all that for nothing

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Originally by: Lucille Austero

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i love these threads. lets me know ccp really is doing something about the problem.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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12B isk... how much that set you back? Must sting to know you paid all that for nothing

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About $600.

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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn

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Obvious troll is obvious. This is their first and only post?

Please.

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Originally by: Paulo Damarr

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That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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I wonder how GMs handle this. You say "my friend gave it to me".
If someone buys 12bil he could say that too - and the seller, in order to not be banned would confirm this. CCP can't know if you paid rl cash or not, you could always say "it is my chinese pen-friend xang'lo from Bejing who gave me a birthday-gift of 12bil isk, nothing wrong here". If you trade the isk for 1 missile you could say "i was scammed" - is it illegal to be scammed ? Or you could say "that was a ransome for my ibis" - is it illegal to pay stupid ammounts of ransome ?
Must be funny to be a GM responsible for proving that an isk transfer is a RMT.

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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A few days ago my friend gave me 12 billion isk. I used it to buy two jump freightors.

today i logged on and had NEGATIVE 12 billion isk..

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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what can i do?

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Originally by: Meridius Dex

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I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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A few days ago my friend gave me 12 billion isk. I used it to buy two jump freightors.

today i logged on and had NEGATIVE 12 billion isk..what can i do?

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Originally by: Tarminic

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Was your friend named xxjjxjjsang?

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Buy GTCs and sel for ISKs? ...

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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A few days ago my friend gave me 12 billion isk.

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Originally by: Anas Damona

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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A few days ago my friend gave me 12 billion isk.

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I need to get some better friends...

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Originally by: Kirjava

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This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.

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Originally by: Rawr Cristina

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Originally by: Anas Damona

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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A few days ago my friend gave me 12 billion isk.

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I need to get some better friends...

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me too. the things I would do for 12 bil...

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Originally by: Fofalus

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Originally by: Rawr Cristina

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the things I would do for 12 bil...

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Spend 600$?

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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A few days ago my friend gave me 12 billion isk. I used it to buy two jump freightors.

today i logged on and had NEGATIVE 12 billion isk..what can i do?

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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A few days ago my friend gave me 12 billion isk.

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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Quit, and go play wow

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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Quit, and go play wow

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Originally by: Mrs Lady

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who cares if someone buys isk besides CCP they just want to make more money for themself's bye having people sell GTC's. I bet if you couldnt sell gtc's then they wouldnt enforce it.

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Originally by: Mrs Lady

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Edited by: Mrs Lady on 15/04/2008 03:05:59
Sharkikke, think before you say something stupid next time. i got 5 accounts i buy gtc's from other people for, i dont pay to play a game. isnt gtc farming the same as any other farming. Lets put it this way if i want 5b and i buy enough gtc's to get it and then sell em and get 5b in game its the same thing. real money for money in the game. So you dont really know what your talking about when you say it ruins the economy, same thing as selling GTC's RL money for IG money. period

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Originally by: caladron prime

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...the logs...will get your money back.

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Originally by: Aurix Lexico

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I believe there are 2 dev blogs on why farmers are bad. Go read them.

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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I wonder how GMs handle this. You say "my friend gave it to me".
If someone buys 12bil he could say that too - and the seller, in order to not be banned would confirm this. CCP can't know if you paid rl cash or not, you could always say "it is my chinese pen-friend xang'lo from Bejing who gave me a birthday-gift of 12bil isk, nothing wrong here". If you trade the isk for 1 missile you could say "i was scammed" - is it illegal to be scammed ? Or you could say "that was a ransome for my ibis" - is it illegal to pay stupid ammounts of ransome ?
Must be funny to be a GM responsible for proving that an isk transfer is a RMT.

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Originally by: Mrs Lady

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who cares if someone buys isk besides CCP they just want to make more money for themself's bye having people sell GTC's. I bet if you couldnt sell gtc's then they wouldnt enforce it.

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Quote:

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I believe there are 2 dev blogs on why farmers are bad. Go read them.

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Originally by: Wet Ferret

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If you really want to give CCP the finger you'll send your stuff to an ISK seller

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Originally by: Phoenix Torp

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Related to the topic, is against the EULA to transfer ISK to other char of the same account?

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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These always start the same. "my friend gave me..."

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Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram

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Someone lost 600$ buying internet pixels.

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Originally by: Lance Fighter

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This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.

Originally by: Slez

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Edited by: Slez on 15/04/2008 08:29:21
I knew i'd find you here Malc!

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Originally by: Lucille Austero

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i love these threads. lets me know ccp really is doing something about the problem.

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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These always start the same. "my friend gave me..."

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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These always start the same. "my friend gave me..."

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Originally by: Ni'ka

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Edited by: Ni''ka on 15/04/2008 11:59:41

Well... Actually then my friend start playing EVE, i gave him around 700m...

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Originally by: Ni'ka

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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These always start the same. "my friend gave me..."

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Well... Actually then my friend start playing EVE, i gave him around 700m... but 12b... I wanna have this kind of friends too... Oh wait, i don't... -12b on wallet sux

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Originally by: Tarminic

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Was your friend named xxjjxjjsang?

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Originally by: PhantomMajor

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err not really, they are going after the buyers when they should be going after the sellers. if CCP under cut the sellers then it would put them out of business; of course they would stop playing and paying for eve so that would mean lost revenue too CCP.

so CCP kills off a few isk buyer accounts, that wont hurt their annual profits but killing off isk seller accounts... i'm sure their share prices would start to drop and in this turbulent economy every real penny is a prisoner.

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Originally by: DrefsabZN

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on the flip side its really REALLY easy to launder money in EVE so its not like it stop's people buying isk from the RMT'ers but it does punish those who do it stupidly :) While not as ideal as stopping everyone it certainly helps :D

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Originally by: Priest Amarr

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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I wonder how GMs handle this. You say "my friend gave it to me".
If someone buys 12bil he could say that too - and the seller, in order to not be banned would confirm this. CCP can't know if you paid rl cash or not, you could always say "it is my chinese pen-friend xang'lo from Bejing who gave me a birthday-gift of 12bil isk, nothing wrong here". If you trade the isk for 1 missile you could say "i was scammed" - is it illegal to be scammed ? Or you could say "that was a ransome for my ibis" - is it illegal to pay stupid ammounts of ransome ?
Must be funny to be a GM responsible for proving that an isk transfer is a RMT.

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It is not that difficult to investigate. First they will check if the original owner of isk is somebody who can have that kind of money. How long you have been playing, are you in a known corp or alliance, what is your previous transactions, and all sort of other little details can show if you really are the kind of person who can own/receive that much of isk. There are many billion isk transactions, not every transactions gets a red flag immediately.

History and reputation plays even a bigger role when it comes to situations like this.

Be Safe
Priest Amarr

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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CCP will deny someone play the game which he had paid rl cash for, based on circumstantial evidence. If that person brings the case to a court, CCP will have the burden of proof

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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A few days ago my friend gave me 12 billion isk. I used it to buy two jump freightors.

today i logged on and had NEGATIVE 12 billion isk..what can i do?

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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CCP will deny someone play the game which he had paid rl cash for, based on circumstantial evidence. If that person brings the case to a court, CCP will have the burden of proof

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EULA.

Nothing belongs to you.

Except rights to play the game.

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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Hello ? Thats what i was talking about. If you are banned, you are denied the right of playing the game, and CCP will have to prove that you breached the EULA, which is difficult (see discussion above, sry for my bad english though, might lead to missunderstandings, i was discussing the case when you get banned).

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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CCP will deny someone play the game which he had paid rl cash for, based on circumstantial evidence. If that person brings the case to a court, CCP will have the burden of proof

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EULA.

Nothing belongs to you.

Except rights to play the game.

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Hello ? Thats what i was talking about. If you are banned, you are denied the right of playing the game, and CCP will have to prove that you breached the EULA, which is difficult (see discussion above, sry for my bad english though, might lead to missunderstandings, i was discussing the case when you get banned).

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Originally by: Mrs Lady

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ya #1 ccp dosent get the money from the person that wants ig money but cant get it for themself so they buy gtc's from ccp to sell.

#2 see #1

the end.

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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Just another thought: if someone is getting that isk, and it is proven that the one who donated it, is an isk seller. Why will be the one, who received the isk, punished on no evidence, just becaus his "friend" who made him a presend happens to be an isk-seller ?
This could be misused as a form of warfare: Make an account with the chars called asodfihwef and jfjoaiwehjf, get lots of isk, and you have a weapon. When required you can use that weapon: "donate" that isk to the corp-/alliance-leaders of your enemy and voila, they will get banned/warned/set their wallets to negative (cant pay insurance, trade stuff, nothing) - might be more damage for less isk than showing up with a dreadnought fleet

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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Just another thought: if someone is getting that isk, and it is proven that the one who donated it, is an isk seller. Why will be the one, who received the isk, punished on no evidence, just becaus his "friend" who made him a presend happens to be an isk-seller ?
This could be misused as a form of warfare: Make an account with the chars called asodfihwef and jfjoaiwehjf, get lots of isk, and you have a weapon. When required you can use that weapon: "donate" that isk to the corp-/alliance-leaders of your enemy and voila, they will get banned/warned/set their wallets to negative (cant pay insurance, trade stuff, nothing) - might be more damage for less isk than showing up with a dreadnought fleet

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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Just another thought: if someone is getting that isk, and it is proven that the one who donated it, is an isk seller. Why will be the one, who received the isk, punished on no evidence, just becaus his "friend" who made him a presend happens to be an isk-seller ?
This could be misused as a form of warfare: Make an account with the chars called asodfihwef and jfjoaiwehjf, get lots of isk, and you have a weapon. When required you can use that weapon: "donate" that isk to the corp-/alliance-leaders of your enemy and voila, they will get banned/warned/set their wallets to negative (cant pay insurance, trade stuff, nothing) - might be more damage for less isk than showing up with a dreadnought fleet

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Originally by: Tarminic

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You pay for access to the server, not anything you possess on it. CCP as a private business can ban you for any reason as long as they don't continue to charge you for their service.

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Originally by: eliminator2

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Originally by: Mrs Lady

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ya #1 ccp dosent get the money from the person that wants ig money but cant get it for themself so they buy gtc's from ccp to sell.

#2 see #1

the end.

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the person or website u pay to to get the GTC doesnt go to CCP and the isk u buy it with get sent to the person sellin allso not gone to CCP sow at do ccp get from selling GTC part from more pple playin?

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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This could be misused as a form of warfare: Make an account with the chars called asodfihwef and jfjoaiwehjf, get lots of isk, and you have a weapon. When required you can use that weapon: "donate" that isk to the corp-/alliance-leaders of your enemy and voila, they will get banned/warned/set their wallets to negative (cant pay insurance, trade stuff, nothing) - might be more damage for less isk than showing up with a dreadnought fleet

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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It would be interesting to know what CCP do to protect people from this kind of attack. I have often wondered.

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Originally by: William Alex

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Karma :)

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 15/04/2008 15:15:26

Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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This could be misused as a form of warfare: Make an account with the chars called asodfihwef and jfjoaiwehjf, get lots of isk, and you have a weapon. When required you can use that weapon: "donate" that isk to the corp-/alliance-leaders of your enemy and voila, they will get banned/warned/set their wallets to negative (cant pay insurance, trade stuff, nothing) - might be more damage for less isk than showing up with a dreadnought fleet

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At current market prices, it cost us Englishmen about Twenty of our sterling pounds to put somebody so far into negative ISK they don't want to play anymore. (As you say, a whole lot less than a dreadnought fleet)

Also, it helps if you can figure out your target's alts, in that way they might not notice the balance increase until you've had them reported them for isk buying, after which, all their petitions and pleading innocent will be worth absolutely nothing.

This of course highlights a pretty big problem with CCPs current approach to dealing with ISK buyers instead of ISK sellers.

Portraying CCP as anything other than perfect requires a large can of "tssssst." Fanboi Repellant.

It would be interesting to know what CCP do to protect people from this kind of attack. I have often wondered.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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At current market prices, it cost us Englishmen about Twenty of our sterling pounds to put somebody so far into negative ISK they don't want to play anymore. (As you say, a whole lot less than a dreadnought fleet)

Also, it helps if you can figure out your target's alts, in that way they might not notice the balance increase until you've had them reported them for isk buying, after which, all their petitions and pleading innocent will be worth absolutely nothing.

This of course highlights a pretty big problem with CCPs current approach to dealing with ISK buyers instead of ISK sellers.

Portraying CCP as anything other than perfect requires a large can of "tssssst." Fanboi Repellant.

It would be interesting to know what CCP do to protect people from this kind of attack. I have often wondered.

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Originally by: Goodwill George

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Easy: if someone that you don't know deposits a large sum of ISK in your wallet, petition it immediately. That way, the GM's can investigate the orgin of the possibly bought ISK, and remove them if appropriate.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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Also, it helps if you can figure out your target's alts, in that way they might not notice the balance increase until you've had them reported them for isk buying, after which, all their petitions and pleading innocent will be worth absolutely nothing.

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Originally by: Animin Mannja

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Targeting alts so they wont notice will do nothing. If they get isk added to their wallet, and then removed again by GM action they will have.... exactly the same amount as they started with. Probably a warning on the account, but that'll just mean the main will be more vigilant.
Oh, and doing such a thing in such a way that it gets linked back to your main means bannage all over. Dreadnoughts don't do as much damage as a banhammer.

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Read four posts above your own for the solution.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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GM removes DOUBLE the addition. If you buy a billion, you lose 2 billion, not a billion.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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Also, it helps if you can figure out your target's alts, in that way they might not notice the balance increase until you've had them reported them for isk buying, after which, all their petitions and pleading innocent will be worth absolutely nothing.

This of course highlights a pretty big problem with CCPs current approach to dealing with ISK buyers instead of ISK sellers.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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GM removes DOUBLE the addition. If you buy a billion, you lose 2 billion, not a billion.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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GM removes DOUBLE the addition. If you buy a billion, you lose 2 billion, not a billion.

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Originally by: OP

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A few days ago my friend gave me 12 billion isk. I used it to buy two jump freightors.

today i logged on and had NEGATIVE 12 billion isk..what can i do?

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Originally by: DevBlog

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while we will mercilessly remove ISK bought for real money from ISK sellers, and we remove tens of billions of illegally purchased ISK every day. If the illegally bought ISK has been spent, then the wallets will simply be put in the negative,

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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GM removes DOUBLE the addition. If you buy a billion, you lose 2 billion, not a billion.

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Quote:

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...we will mercilessly remove ISK bought for real money from ISK sellers, and we remove tens of billions of illegally purchased ISK every day. If the illegally bought ISK has been spent, then the wallets will simply be put in the negative...

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Anything else?

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Originally by: Sirien Lockley

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I don't really care, I reckon you're pulling a fast one, they caught you and they caught you, so bad luck, hope you didn't pay too much for it.

The thing that's really getting in my mamaries is why the hell is the server still down CCP... ? And are we gonna get the game time returned? we lose an hour everyday, 31 hours per month, and we pay for a full months game time, once you add these patches and their annoying patch fit patches etc, we're well out of pocket, and some of us can best play during the downtime hours... Also you have absolutely 0 Q&A Department... And it's starting to annoy many of us...

Besides that love the game, just wish it was possible to shoot someone who sits there infront of me and robs my can and Concorde just sits there and considers it legal... Major flaw which needs rectifying... Peace and Love People

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Lucille Austero

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i love these threads. lets me know ccp really is doing something about the problem.

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This.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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So they don't remove double, but will ban you for multiple instances of isk buying, so the attack will still work.

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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Originally by: Tarminic

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You pay for access to the server, not anything you possess on it. CCP as a private business can ban you for any reason as long as they don't continue to charge you for their service.

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Not that easy, sir. How about if you paid for 90 days, and after 10 days you get a ban for no reason (just because ccp thinks theres a breach of eula, without any proof). You have a contract, you have to obey the eula and pay money you agreed to pay, ccp may not deny to perform their part of the contract arbitrarily.
They may reject to set up a (new) contract with you if they dont like you, but once they signed the contract, they are bound to it and cant just deny service without reason.

I could give you a precise chain of regulations (ºº) from the German Civil Code, which gives you the ability to sue for specific performance in such cases. Ofc. german law is not applicable here, but the principle is the same in other legal systems, and it's not a complicated legal question. No arbitrary denial of contractual duties. Whether it is arbitrary or not depends on if there is a reason, to deny the contract. A reason can be a breach of eula. Ccp must prove (has the burden of proof) that the customer breached the eula -> thats the point where our discussion is (again, only in case of a ban, not sure about the case when you still may log in but gameplay is disabled due negative balance).

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Originally by: Guttripper

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On a similar note, I looked in my wallet and the United States government took some money away from me...

...of course, today is our annual Income Tax day.

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Originally by: Phaige

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Originally by: Guttripper

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On a similar note, I looked in my wallet and the United States government took some money away from me...

...of course, today is our annual Income Tax day.

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Ya.. I was happy with my Fed return until I saw how much I had to pay in city/state taxes... stupid Gov and her stupid tax increase.. >_<

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Originally by: Lakut

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Originally by: PhantomMajor

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The only way to fight in game money sales for real money is by punishing and discouraging the buyers by making it extremely risky, eliminating the market for ISK farmers and putting them out of business.

Sadly, as long as dumb people are allowed to get on the intertubes, they will have costumers.

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Has anyone thought that maybe CCP should just make it impossible to trade pure ISK to another player? Just remove that option and it might help. Have it that you can only transfer funds via a corp wallet and the market or a contract for items.

Originally by: Cameron Vayle

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Edited by: Cameron Vayle on 15/04/2008 16:39:23

Originally by: PhantomMajor

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The only way to fight in game money sales for real money is by punishing and discouraging the buyers by making it extremely risky, eliminating the market for ISK farmers and putting them out of business.

Sadly, as long as dumb people are allowed to get on the intertubes, they will have costumers.

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Has anyone thought that maybe CCP should just make it impossible to trade pure ISK to another player? Just remove that option and it might help. Have it that you can only transfer funds via a corp wallet and the market or a contract for items.

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Originally by: Zathi Shaitan

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Lucille Austero

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i love these threads. lets me know ccp really is doing something about the problem.

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This.

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Oh yes, this is much more important than some bugs i found (and were confirmed) months ago, but still aren't fixed, or the foreign language players who abuse that fact to create chars with remarks to your.. nevermind, you only care about what "CCP cares".

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Originally by: Animin Mannja

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is it really worth the risk?

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Originally by: Lakut

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And wtf are you talking about CCP undercutting them? You mean CCP should make a service to buy ISK directly from them with even lower prices? You realize how much ISK this would generate out of thin air? Does inflation ring a bell with you?

And no, the maybe 500-1000 ISK farmer accs that get actually paid for won't put them out of business or make a noticeable dent in their balance if they were banned either.

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Originally by: voogru

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Originally by: Lakut

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And wtf are you talking about CCP undercutting them? You mean CCP should make a service to buy ISK directly from them with even lower prices? You realize how much ISK this would generate out of thin air? Does inflation ring a bell with you?

And no, the maybe 500-1000 ISK farmer accs that get actually paid for won't put them out of business or make a noticeable dent in their balance if they were banned either.

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You know, CCP could confiscate ISK, and then sell that ISK for 1/10th of what ISK sellers sell it for.

Not only take their existing ISK, but undercut them out of business. There wouldnt be much inflation from that since they are not spawning ISK.

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Originally by: voogru

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You know, CCP could confiscate ISK, and then sell that ISK for 1/10th of what ISK sellers sell it for.

Not only take their existing ISK, but undercut them out of business. There wouldnt be much inflation from that since they are not spawning ISK.

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Originally by: Audri Fisher

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On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear

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Originally by: Bar Wars

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A friend left the game a while back and gave me 50 billion, every time i log in i expect the isk to be gone.

We send eachother mails so there would be evidence it was all legit but im going to have to do allot of talking if ccp ever investigates me.
There is just no way to do it legit afaik.

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Originally by: Bar Wars

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A friend left the game a while back and gave me 50 billion, every time i log in i expect the isk to be gone.

We send eachother mails so there would be evidence it was all legit but im going to have to do allot of talking if ccp ever investigates me.
There is just no way to do it legit afaik.

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Originally by: Burnharder

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Originally by: Bar Wars

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A friend left the game a while back and gave me 50 billion, every time i log in i expect the isk to be gone.

We send eachother mails so there would be evidence it was all legit but im going to have to do allot of talking if ccp ever investigates me.
There is just no way to do it legit afaik.

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"Thanks for pointing it out. We'll be auditing your account post-haste."

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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These always start the same. "my friend gave me..."

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Originally by: Maekar Stormborn

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Cancel your account like the hundreds of other people CCP have screwed over. This game is seriously not worth paying for anymore. Get out while you can and find something new.

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Originally by: Maekar Stormborn

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Cancel your account like the hundreds of other people CCP have screwed over. This game is seriously not worth paying for anymore. Get out while you can and find something new.

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Originally by: Maekar Stormborn

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Cancel your account like the hundreds of other people CCP have screwed over. This game is seriously not worth paying for anymore. Get out while you can and find something new.

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Originally by: Audri Fisher

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On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear

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Originally by: William Alex

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Karma :)

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Originally by: Maekar Stormborn

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Cancel your account like the hundreds of other people CCP have screwed over. This game is seriously not worth paying for anymore. Get out while you can and find something new.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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I really cannot convey how happy it makes me that CCP makes it so cheaters have wasted their IRL money. It must be gratifying taking ISK away from these people. I'd move to Iceland just to be that person.

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Originally by: Audri Fisher

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On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear

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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby

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Originally by: Alowishus

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I really cannot convey how happy it makes me that CCP makes it so cheaters have wasted their IRL money. It must be gratifying taking ISK away from these people. I'd move to Iceland just to be that person.

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It is a rare day that Carebears, Muffins and R.E.C.O.Ns stand together happily

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Originally by: Maekar Stormborn

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Cancel your account like the hundreds of other people CCP have screwed over. This game is seriously not worth paying for anymore. Get out while you can and find something new.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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These always start the same. "my friend gave me..."

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And the last one (should have) ended with a GM apologising for not spending 2 minutes looking into it before wrongfully taking the ISK... but the fanboiz were unable to read the words and comprehend that GMs messed up, and they keep the thread alive hoping that if they keep pretending CCP is perfect, it will become true.


I just implied CCP isn't perfect. And I think I hear the rumble of approaching fanboiz... WTB 15 year old repellant.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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It would be interesting to know what CCP do to protect people from this kind of attack. I have often wondered.

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Originally by: Kvirie

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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It would be interesting to know what CCP do to protect people from this kind of attack. I have often wondered.

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It would be nice to know, but i think everyone can think of atleast one good reason why they wouldn't tell people how they track this stuff.

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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari

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F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said

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Originally by: Kvirie

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So can you confirm the last guy actually got their ISK back, or are you just taking their word (if they said that they got it back) even if they're just saying it to make themselves look better to us? I doubt GMs will come into a thread, quote someone and say 'dont lie, you didnt get it back'.

Did a dev run over your dog or something? You seem to have a constant stream of hate towards the people who you're giving a monthly fee to.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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Originally by: Kvirie

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So can you confirm the last guy actually got their ISK back, or are you just taking their word (if they said that they got it back) even if they're just saying it to make themselves look better to us? I doubt GMs will come into a thread, quote someone and say 'dont lie, you didnt get it back'.

Did a dev run over your dog or something? You seem to have a constant stream of hate towards the people who you're giving a monthly fee to.

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Go read the thread, and read the GM saying he was happy the guy got his ISK back. That's how I know the guy got his ISK back, because the GM said so. Is that this much vaunted "proof" people keep insisting only I bring? A GM's say so? Is it? Because I think it is.
So this ISK was wrongly removed because a GM says so. At what point to the fanboiz start to believe it, because I'm starting to wonder, does an actual Dev need to say it? I don't perhaps the fanboiz can answer that one

A dev doesn't need to run over my dog for me to know he is a human being, with all the flaws and falsehoods that imparts. You show me a person who has **** that doesn't stink, walks on water AND is hotter than Isla Fisher/Whoever you fancy, and I may choose to begin praying to and mindlessly agreeing with. Until then... erm, no.

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Originally by: Rachel Vend

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... with 100% reliability in most cases ...

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Originally by: Franga

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Just for the record, I will have your babies if you give me 12bil ISK.

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 15/04/2008 16:00:35

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Anything else?

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So they don't remove double, but will ban you for multiple instances of isk buying, so the attack will still work.

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Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram

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Someone lost 600$ buying internet pixels.

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Originally by: Math Wrath

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It's a big witch-hunt. I sold a bunch of GTCs to a buddy of mine and no i didn't use the "secure trade" thing because he goes to school with me. So, then i petitioned it and they told me that my friend is a "isk seller", so i asked him, and he said that he does sell isk. So basically any transaction from "isk sellers" is null and void - even if they bought GTCs of you.

So then the GM who I talked to began telling me all these bleeding heart stories about how isk sellers scam people out of money and how they *****little boys for isk. When in truth, all they do is buy GTCs for lower prices, sell em for high prices and isk is generated in the process (aka trading...), and then they sell the isk for more money to buy more GTCs - and so on (you'd be surprised how much isk and money they make).

Basically I was told to "STHU or get banned" in a tactful manner.

This Isk Selling/Buying thing is just a big PR campaign CCP is waging in order to get peoples attention focused where they want it to be and not on their recent real troubles (read latest news). But the problem is innocent people get hurt in the process. But what does a big corporation care if they get 1, 10, 30 people out of the game for unfair reasons when they have a huge player base?

The best option for you Darla is to sell whatever you bought with that Isk. Because 12 Billion in GTCs will run you somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,200 Dollars.

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Originally by: Math Wrath

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It's a big witch-hunt. I sold a bunch of GTCs to a buddy of mine and no i didn't use the "secure trade" thing because he goes to school with me. So, then i petitioned it and they told me that my friend is a "isk seller", so i asked him, and he said that he does sell isk. So basically any transaction from "isk sellers" is null and void - even if they bought GTCs of you.

So then the GM who I talked to began telling me all these bleeding heart stories about how isk sellers scam people out of money and how they *****little boys for isk. When in truth, all they do is buy GTCs for lower prices, sell em for high prices and isk is generated in the process (aka trading...), and then they sell the isk for more money to buy more GTCs - and so on (you'd be surprised how much isk and money they make).

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Originally by: Math Wrath

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So then the GM who I talked to began telling me all these bleeding heart stories about how isk sellers scam people out of money and how they *****little boys for isk. When in truth, all they do is buy GTCs for lower prices, sell em for high prices and isk is generated in the process (aka trading...), and then they sell the isk for more money to buy more GTCs - and so on (you'd be surprised how much isk and money they make).

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Originally by: Fifth Horseman

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Originally by: Kvirie

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So can you confirm the last guy actually got their ISK back, or are you just taking their word (if they said that they got it back) even if they're just saying it to make themselves look better to us? I doubt GMs will come into a thread, quote someone and say 'dont lie, you didnt get it back'.

Did a dev run over your dog or something? You seem to have a constant stream of hate towards the people who you're giving a monthly fee to.

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Go read the thread, and read the GM saying he was happy the guy got his ISK back. That's how I know the guy got his ISK back, because the GM said so. Is that this much vaunted "proof" people keep insisting only I bring? A GM's say so? Is it? Because I think it is.
So this ISK was wrongly removed because a GM says so. At what point to the fanboiz start to believe it, because I'm starting to wonder, does an actual Dev need to say it? I don't perhaps the fanboiz can answer that one

A dev doesn't need to run over my dog for me to know he is a human being, with all the flaws and falsehoods that imparts. You show me a person who has **** that doesn't stink, walks on water AND is hotter than Isla Fisher/Whoever you fancy, and I may choose to begin praying to and mindlessly agreeing with. Until then... erm, no.

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Originally by: Math Wrath

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It's a big witch-hunt. I sold a bunch of GTCs to a buddy of mine and no i didn't use the "secure trade" thing because he goes to school with me. So, then i petitioned it and they told me that my friend is a "isk seller", so i asked him, and he said that he does sell isk. So basically any transaction from "isk sellers" is null and void - even if they bought GTCs of you.

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Originally by: Math Wrath

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It's a big witch-hunt. I sold a bunch of GTCs to a buddy of mine and no i didn't use the "secure trade" thing because he goes to school with me. So, then i petitioned it and they told me that my friend is a "isk seller", so i asked him, and he said that he does sell isk. So basically any transaction from "isk sellers" is null and void - even if they bought GTCs of you.

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Originally by: GM Nova

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Posted - 2007.09.19 10:36:00
Hello traders.

As of today, trading ETCs for ISK outside our Secure ETC trading system is NOT allowed.

Players found to be trading ETCs for ISK via EVEmails or any other method will receive an official warning on their account, and may possibly lose their ISK or GTC, depending on the circumstances.

regards
GM Nova

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Originally by: Takarr Drayke

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Originally by: Sirien Lockley

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I don't really care, I reckon you're pulling a fast one, they caught you and they caught you, so bad luck, hope you didn't pay too much for it.

The thing that's really getting in my mamaries is why the hell is the server still down CCP... ? And are we gonna get the game time returned? we lose an hour everyday, 31 hours per month, and we pay for a full months game time, once you add these patches and their annoying patch fit patches etc, we're well out of pocket, and some of us can best play during the downtime hours... Also you have absolutely 0 Q&A Department... And it's starting to annoy many of us...

Besides that love the game, just wish it was possible to shoot someone who sits there infront of me and robs my can and Concorde just sits there and considers it legal... Major flaw which needs rectifying... Peace and Love People

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Many of us? Speak for yourself. I've been content with EVE for 2 years now (new char here). You pay for a reliable server that doesn't crash, that requires maintenance. Same thing happens for every other service your have going into your home. Difference is there isn't a redundant server cluster for EVE like there is for Cell Phone towers, Internet servers, etc etc etc...

Also, can flagging is something carebears asked for, not pirates. Deal.

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Originally by: Math Wrath

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But the problem is innocent people get hurt in the process.

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Originally by: Maekar Stormborn

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Cancel your account like the hundreds of other people CCP have screwed over. This game is seriously not worth paying for anymore. Get out while you can and find something new.

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Originally by: Cecil Montague

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They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

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Originally by: Fzhal

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Yay, either another isk farmer gets whats coming to him or another isk buyer gets whats coming.

Can I have your stuff?

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Originally by: Cecil Montague

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They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

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Originally by: Cruthensis

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Folks here have mentioned the concept of only putting the ISK buyer's account in the negative and then leaving whoever they 'gave' the ISK to untouched.

The problem with this is obvious. For one to buy ISK you would simply:

1. Make a fresh account and GTC it for a month.
2. Use that account to buy your ISK.
3. Give ISK (or trade or whatever) to your real character.
4. CCP puts your newly minted, throw away character a -X billion ISK wallet (because it REALLY DID buy ISK)
5. You throw away your errr...throw away character.
6. ???
7. Profit.

Now, I apologise CCP if I'm advertising something that's going to help ISK buying 'tards to buy ISK, but it's not exactly rocket science. This, I suspect, is why we have these "Oh noes I'm -12B after my 'friend' gave me ISK" threads. CCP have to pursue the ISK further than the account that simply bought it for the 7 step (5 ) procedure above.

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Originally by: Bluebeard

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Sell the 2 Jump Freighters ?

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Originally by: Shaloran Kalior

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Originally by: Cruthensis

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Folks here have mentioned the concept of only putting the ISK buyer's account in the negative and then leaving whoever they 'gave' the ISK to untouched.

The problem with this is obvious. For one to buy ISK you would simply:

1. Make a fresh account and GTC it for a month.
2. Use that account to buy your ISK.
3. Give ISK (or trade or whatever) to your real character.
4. CCP puts your newly minted, throw away character a -X billion ISK wallet (because it REALLY DID buy ISK)
5. You throw away your errr...throw away character.
6. ???
7. Profit.

Now, I apologise CCP if I'm advertising something that's going to help ISK buying 'tards to buy ISK, but it's not exactly rocket science. This, I suspect, is why we have these "Oh noes I'm -12B after my 'friend' gave me ISK" threads. CCP have to pursue the ISK further than the account that simply bought it for the 7 step (5 ) procedure above.

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Except this doesnt work. CCP wouldnt put the "throwaway" characters wallet negative. They would find the character it had been transferred to, and remove the isk from their wallet.

Nice try, but wrong.

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Originally by: Darla Dawson

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A few days ago my friend gave me 12 billion isk. I used it to buy two jump freightors.

today i logged on and had NEGATIVE 12 billion isk..what can i do?

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Originally by: Myellia Duronas

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The above will work, just not with ISK. Revise Step 3 a little --Use newly bought ISK to buy all the shiny stuff. Then after the wallet is turned negative, you will still have said stuff. Then all you have to do is transfer the items to your main and voila, your alt has neg wallet and you have x Billion ISK worth of stuff.

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P.S. It's not that hard to transfer the items...just create a safespot, have both characters there and eject from the ship, or hauler full of loot and your main hops in. It doesn't take a genius.

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Originally by: Myellia Duronas

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P.S. It's not that hard to transfer the items...just create a safespot, have both characters there and eject from the ship, or hauler full of loot and your main hops in. It doesn't take a genius.

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