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Anstarius'as'kal'thoras
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Posted - 2004.04.21 15:57:00 -
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the new decentralisation can only be a joke or ? its now a short 6 jumps ride from yulai to luminaire and same goes from yulai to amaar, if i calc that together it will take me now 10+ jumps to go from amaar to luminaire ? u guys must be kidding, it was just 2 jumps before.
p.s. im now stuck in space after jumping. thumbs up for the new jumpgate changes.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.04.21 15:59:00 -
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Yep I agree, thumbs up 
All of EVE can't be within 3 jumps.
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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2004.04.21 16:09:00 -
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Good changes. I would get a bit longer way between my agents, but heck. Getting a less chance for locking uo or getting shot down in lumi or yulai is great!
Two thumbs up. It would be better for the market too.
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cbrooker
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Posted - 2004.04.21 16:45:00 -
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It must be a joke... The whole point of the central systems were so that everything was close together for the new players, and they didn't have to spend half their playing time travelling and jumping, just to get to a system which you could walk to faster in a straight line :(
However, there must have been a majority of people asking for this change, otherwise CCP wouldn't have made it. If this change is not due to the majority's opinion, then it does beg the question how CCP deal with patches? So if the majority now complain about the new patch, will it get reset? I doubt it.
I also can see a number of people leaving EVE because of this development. The fact that it is only diluting the gaming experience, which is already pretty dilute because of the long periods of time that we spend travelling. In my view, CCP have not done themselves any favours in installing this new patch, instead have perhaps weakened their franchise and forced some people to find alternatives. After all, there is only a certain length of time I'm willing to spend travelling before I get bored, going 7 jumps from Yulai to Mies kind of goes into that territory.
EVE has just grown a whole lot bigger, a drastic juxtaposition to the shrinking world that we are living in today. Are CCP taking a step into the past? Will we eventually end up travelling between Luminaire and Yulai on metaphorical horses and cart? I certainly hope not, because I know that I would not be inclined to continue paying money to a company who insists on diluting our gaming experience instead of heightening it.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.04.21 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 21/04/2004 19:59:41
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EVE has just grown a whole lot bigger, a drastic juxtaposition to the shrinking world that we are living in today. Are CCP taking a step into the past? Will we eventually end up travelling between Luminaire and Yulai on metaphorical horses and cart? I certainly hope not, because I know that I would not be inclined to continue paying money to a company who insists on diluting our gaming experience instead of heightening it.
OMFG you ppl are never happy, get over it, you have to travel an extra few jumps that takes 4-5 miutes of your time, and this sacrificae will fix lag.
This new highway is the best thing since castor. The only thing better would be removing the highway totally.
Jesus you people really just whine for whining sakes huh 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.21 19:59:00 -
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You think that is tough?
When I were a lad I had to travel 450 jumps from Yulai to Amarr and I had to push my Bestower the whole way there. In bare feet. In the cold. With grizzly bears nibbling at my gonads.
Sheesh. Youngsters these days don't know how good they've got it.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:01:00 -
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Small price to pay for more stability across the universe.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Mned Graydroggen
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:07:00 -
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Havent scouted yet but looking good to me, Thnx DEVS 
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Johnson McCrae
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:09:00 -
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Stop whining you ****ers. 
We got tards screaming about the highways ruining their market sales cause everybody can jump regions so 'easily'. We got loosers who dont want to sit around all day getting from one place to another.
The big concern, will be when they add taxes for using the highways. The increased # of them around the 'hubs' will increase the HW tax. THAT I take issue with. 
It ain't over till the fat lady falls on ya!
[ 2004.10.09 02:50:23 ] (combat) Your 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I perfectly strikes Guardian Sentry, wrecking for 747.3 damage.
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VoxDei
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:13:00 -
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Erm... was there any kind of warning about this? I can't say I'm enthused by the prospect of extra travelling time (nor can I see the rationale behind it), but I can accept it. What's irritating is that I'm ten extra jumps from most of my kit now, when if I'd known about this I'd have spent an extra few minutes jumping home last night. I know ten jumps isn't exactly a long way, but it's probably twenty minutes flight time that I could have done without.
This does, of course, assume I can get into the game. Been sitting on a black screen trying to log into my main character for ten minutes now.
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Krendig
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:14:00 -
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If implemented with any form of sanity, the "highway" fees should be "import fees" on your cargo when switching between nations.
Thus, it doesn't really penalize the guy in the shuttle, or the newbie in their Ibis (being in the Ibis is punishment enough, ya know?), but the Iteron Mk V carrying a battleship's worth of ores, well, they're going to have to pay.
But, that's just my $0.00000002.
--Krendig
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:15:00 -
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Check the map - there are still "hotspots" but they are spread out really nicely.
They key systems of Yulai/Pator/Amarr/Luminaire used to GLOW red but now they are more muted with pilots in space filling out the surrounding 4 or 5 systems around the key systems.
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Davlo Eh'Lar
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nirvy
Edited by: Nirvy on 21/04/2004 19:59:41
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Jesus you people really just whine for whining sakes huh
OMFG a whiner whining about a whining whiner!!!!
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VoxDei
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:20:00 -
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Found the warning in the Dev Blog. CCP, you do realise that not everyone actually reads that regularly?
/me walks off muttering to himself
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Ayms
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ayms on 21/04/2004 20:30:17
I just check eve-i, if there is news they have a link from there.
They do post details on about half the changes, even if its very vague, and yes you have to look alot of places. The blogs, the CSM chat logs, the patch reveiws for what used to be chaos, the dev post finder on eve-i is good too. Papa and TomB will post nuggets in there.
I would prefer they made the patch notes available 24hrs in advance, maybe leave out changes they don't want exploited.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:45:00 -
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I also can see a number of people leaving EVE because of this development.
Have you been playing on Sunday evenings for the past month? That kind of thing will cause people to leave. 4-5 extra minutes of a journey will help to stop the unwelcome downtime every Sunday, stop people getting stuck in Yulai and alleviate lag. I'm glad CCP saw that this kind of change couldn't wait until Shiva.
I hope that this change is enough. I am in favour of highways in some form, but not the way they were. I'm going to take a trip over later, just to explore the new road system 
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Cuisinart
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: cbrooker
However, there must have been a majority of people asking for this change, otherwise CCP wouldn't have made it. If this change is not due to the majority's opinion, then it does beg the question how CCP deal with patches? So if the majority now complain about the new patch, will it get reset? I doubt it.
No, quite the reverse. It was done because the hardware/software/grey area in between can't handle the load that the highway systems were placing on them. Thus lag and choking and periodic unscheduled reboots. Supposedly, this will help ease the burden. I agree about travel times being quite long enough already. Though I agree in principle to not having 1 jump routes between empire capitals, I do not like wasting all my time traveling. It is EvE's weak point imho.
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Karn Sadi
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Posted - 2004.04.21 21:04:00 -
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well... you can see how good its going so far!'
"help" channel is apparently broken, and were 6-7 people in stuck in Boranai cause of the highway system... and we can do jack about it :(
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.04.21 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: VoxDei
Found the warning in the Dev Blog. CCP, you do realise that not everyone actually reads that regularly?
/me walks off muttering to himself
And thats their problem how?
Jeez, what do you people want? A personal email sent to you when they start thinking about changing something? It's been on the site, public for several days now. If you didn't look at it, it's your fault, not CCP.
Mebbe they should make the dev blog required reading everytime you log into the game, and have a quiz you must pass before you can log in to make sure you read it. That enough warning for you?
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Davlo Eh'Lar
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Posted - 2004.04.21 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Aitrus
Mebbe they should make the dev blog required reading everytime you log into the game, and have a quiz you must pass before you can log in to make sure you read it. That enough warning for you?
Ooooh I like that idea, but would the questions be multiple choice type questions, normal single sentence answer type questions or essay type questions?
Also would there be a prize for the most correct answers at each patch day or something?
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Phaethon
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Posted - 2004.04.21 21:30:00 -
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You win some, you loose some
I win some. :)
A roundtrip to my 4 research agents now takes only 35 jumps, where it was 43 before, crossing yulai/lum something like 4-6 times. And with less lag, hopefully soon(tm) it should be a welcome change.
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2004.04.21 21:37:00 -
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Gimme a BREAK, when i started playing THERE WERE NO HIGHWAYS AT ALL. GET OVER IT!!!
the reason for this change was to lessen the load on the servers cuz near 150 ppl are in yulai sometimes
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.04.21 22:00:00 -
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Yup, exactly. The highway has been the breaking/lagging/crashing point for ages. Personally I quite liked it the way it was from a gameplay perspective and don't care one way or the other about regional markets. But the highways are only a small part of the overall EVE experience, and if a few detours means the game is "broken" less often, I'm all for it.
And yeah, I remember the time before highways too. I was slow, but still playable. Heaven knows people spent more time in the more marginal empire space in those days.
Originally by: TimeKeepr
Gimme a BREAK, when i started playing THERE WERE NO HIGHWAYS AT ALL. GET OVER IT!!!
the reason for this change was to lessen the load on the servers cuz near 150 ppl are in yulai sometimes
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Childeric Kaldor
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Posted - 2004.04.21 22:00:00 -
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Excellent mod to the Highway system. Maybe we got more jumps but at least less lag (except stuck problem this evening).
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Death Hawk
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Posted - 2004.04.21 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Death Hawk on 21/04/2004 22:09:40
Originally by: TimeKeepr
Gimme a BREAK, when i started playing THERE WERE NO HIGHWAYS AT ALL. GET OVER IT!!!
the reason for this change was to lessen the load on the servers cuz near 150 ppl are in yulai sometimes
We all know the Highway was put in to lessen travel time, so you can spend your time doing other things then warping around all day.
They only made the change because of Hardware/Software issues, which in effect is cutting into the enjoyment factor for a large percentage of people. Remember this is to fix a server problem, but all fixes come at a cost.
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2004.04.21 23:25:00 -
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Less lag? LESS BLOODY LAG??? If these cahnges are to fix lag then something is majorly messed up on my PC - jumping from Hedion to Boranai got me STUCK (first time in ages) and my alt character is lagged IN STATION so badly that he can't even open a chat with someone, or (more improtantly) create a petition to get something done about it.
So, I'm sure CCP think they've done a Grand job with this one, whereas in truth, it stinks, but no-one can complain about it.
Devs, someone, anyone - fix this bloody awful patch!
If any single one of you assumes I am a Noob and tells me to clear my cache, I will NOT be chuffed. I've done that several times, and in fact am now on a clean install from the 465 MB download from the EVE site. It STILL doesn't work.
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Jasmine Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.04.22 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Sparrow on 22/04/2004 00:16:44
Originally by: cbrooker
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I also can see a number of people leaving EVE because of this development.
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Stop and realize that this one sentance destroyes whatever credibility you once had as someone having common intelligence. I have been playing this game for several months and you know how many people have said this or something similar? 90% of everyone in EVE. Yet what has happened? EVE has gotten bigger. So I guess CCP has been doing something right 'despite' people like you whining and moaning about it.
ah... Fujiko
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Tadius Rhain
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Posted - 2004.04.22 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tadius Rhain on 22/04/2004 01:32:56
I remember the introduction of "/autopilot on". It was considered :`]
Before that you had to manually find the yellow jumpgate icon on your hud, right click warp to, right click approach, right click jump, rinse, repeat. And there were no superhighways.
The game was still fun!
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.04.22 01:53:00 -
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I was able to log a stuck petition a while ago. I didn't have a problem with that 
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Zerkbahl Venomflame
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Posted - 2004.04.22 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tadius Rhain
Edited by: Tadius Rhain on 22/04/2004 01:32:56
I remember the introduction of "/autopilot on". It was considered :`]
Before that you had to manually find the yellow jumpgate icon on your hud, right click warp to, right click approach, right click jump, rinse, repeat. And there were no superhighways.
The game was still fun!
I think most of you are missing the point in order to say how long you've been playing. Well forget how you had to walk 50 miles uphill both ways in the snow for a second and consider how much you actually enjoying watching your ship warp.
EVE is the only game I've ever played that half the time, I don't have to play it, it plays itself with autopilot. And as these new routes are pretty high Security, I hope you enjoy more autopilot.
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