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Forum Alt	Posted - 2008.04.16 17:43:00 - [1] Me and a few guys in the engineering building were having a debate today, and I figured it was post worthy. If by some strange act of god, an assault fleet from the Empire were to make it to the EVE galaxy, what would happen? Who would win? EVE --------- + Capable of specialization (DPS, tank, gang bonuses) + Pilots are more/less immortal + Cap ships and POS's take forever to kill + Titans + Weapons are more powerful + Capable of active tanking - Individual ships are very vulnerable alone, especially capitals and BSes - Warp drives can be scrambled - Capital ships require cyno fields to get around - The empires + alliances dont get along The Empire ---------- + VERY strong capital fleet + Cap ships are essentially Carriers with no limit on how many fighters are deployed + Cap ships have lots of medium/small guns. + Ships can jump without cyno fields + Fond of boarding ships and taking them over from within + Super tractor beams that completely lock down + capture smaller ships + Present a united front - Ships are passive armor tankers (eww) - Dont seem capable of spider tanking either - Pilots not immortal - Turrets are inferior to battleship class weapons - Ships are stock, no specialization - No titan class ships At the end of the debate it was decided that EVE would be better off fighting guerilla style, since a capital engagement would probably be a bad idea! Ideas? Opinons? Flames welcome!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.16 17:53:00 - [2] Quote: + Cap ships have lots of medium/small guns. this is one thing I would both want and not want to see in eve. at least for titans and such, the idea of just being able to fit big guns doesn't fit into any sci-fi only eve. I for one would still like to see titans at least have cluster modules, high solt weapons that can only target one ship but are shown graphically as 10-30 small arms fire. the ships are HUGE.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.16 17:55:00 - [3] EVE winds hands down when it comes to ship size if I recall - the Super Star Destroyer is only about the size of a dread or mothership.
Kyanzes Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:02:00 - [4] Edited by: Kyanzes on 16/04/2008 18:02:09 Originally by: Forum Alt - No titan class ships The Death Star would probably pwn any EVE fleet. Also, if the Imperial fleet arrived with Sith combat meditation support that would further shift the balance significantly. OMFG... combat meditation... OMFG I'm such a loser that I even know about that. I've basically wasted a large portion of my life
Uzuness Carebear Corp	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Kyanzes Edited by: Kyanzes on 16/04/2008 18:02:09 Originally by: Forum Alt - No titan class ships The Death Star would probably pwn any EVE fleet. Also, if the Imperial fleet arrived with Sith combat meditation support that would further shift the balance significantly. OMFG... combat meditation... OMFG I'm such a loser that I even know about that. I've basically wasted a large portion of my life Have you seen Lord Vader's flag ship? Things like a titan.. only more evil.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Uzuness Originally by: Kyanzes Edited by: Kyanzes on 16/04/2008 18:02:09 Originally by: Forum Alt - No titan class ships The Death Star would probably pwn any EVE fleet. Also, if the Imperial fleet arrived with Sith combat meditation support that would further shift the balance significantly. OMFG... combat meditation... OMFG I'm such a loser that I even know about that. I've basically wasted a large portion of my life Have you seen Lord Vader's flag ship? Things like a titan.. only more evil. the executioner, I think that's what it was called. it is as big as a titan? maybe not that big more like a mothership. but even then lol. the deathstar would pWn any fleet... but your overlooking the fact that a single fighter can take down the deathstar and everyone knows it's weakness.
Tajidan Somalia Warlords	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Uzuness Originally by: Kyanzes Edited by: Kyanzes on 16/04/2008 18:02:09 Originally by: Forum Alt - No titan class ships The Death Star would probably pwn any EVE fleet. Also, if the Imperial fleet arrived with Sith combat meditation support that would further shift the balance significantly. OMFG... combat meditation... OMFG I'm such a loser that I even know about that. I've basically wasted a large portion of my life Have you seen Lord Vader's flag ship? Things like a titan.. only more evil. i was just about to say "No titans, wut?!" look at the Superstardestroyers, those things are 18km long, so it IS a Titan in EVE. Deathstar is even more evil "This is Moon"
Uzuness Carebear Corp	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:08:00 - [8] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Uzuness Originally by: Kyanzes Edited by: Kyanzes on 16/04/2008 18:02:09 Originally by: Forum Alt - No titan class ships The Death Star would probably pwn any EVE fleet. Also, if the Imperial fleet arrived with Sith combat meditation support that would further shift the balance significantly. OMFG... combat meditation... OMFG I'm such a loser that I even know about that. I've basically wasted a large portion of my life Have you seen Lord Vader's flag ship? Things like a titan.. only more evil. the executioner, I think that's what it was called. it is as big as a titan? maybe not that big more like a mothership. but even then lol. the deathstar would pWn any fleet... but your overlooking the fact that a single fighter can take down the deathstar and everyone knows it's weakness. Yeah, that's very true. So.. one little frig could sneak past the defense and blow the whole thing up. Silly Lucas.. And this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Executor ----------------- I am death, the destroyer of worlds.
Kyanzes Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:08:00 - [9] The real question is, could any EVE empire handle the Yuuzhan Vong? --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Tajidan Somalia Warlords	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:19:00 - [10] oh yeah and you forget the fact that the Empires ships are Shield and Armor Passive Tankers. Only the TIE's where armor (lol) only but basically because they where throw away fighters much unlike their T2 Version, the TIE Interceptors. Another plus for the StarWars ships would be the Ion Cannon, disabling other ships for an amount of time, unfunky, web,scram and jam all in one System. the other question would be how those completely different "Factions" react on each others technology. but that would spin it a bit too far lol http://www.eve-gfx.com

Verital	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Verital on 16/04/2008 18:19:56 I'd leave the Death Star out of the argument since, lets be realistic, thats just not fair! Its basically a point + click solution to any caps or supercaps that EVE brings to the fight. And I suppose saying that the Empire had no titans was a bit off. But there is only one Executor, one Death Star etc etc. I think BOB alone has like 6 titans
War Keynvor PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:24:00 - [12] Ship size comparison (Eve vs other Sci Fi): http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0704/eve-comparison.jpg Super Star Destroyer is basically a Titan, but without a superweapon. As for the Deathstar; that superweapon is pretty nifty but it faces in one direction and that giant ball isn't the most nimble of ships, just hot drop a Titan and a load of dreads behind the Deathstar hit siege mode and fire your DD. Oh and be sure to tank for EM and thermal. Even if the empire was winning the fight it'd be just a matter of time before they aggrevate the Jovians and then its bye bye Empire, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
Lafe Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:24:00 - [13] Star Wars has the Force! Nuff said.
Uzuness Carebear Corp	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:29:00 - [14] Wounder what implants Luke had to make him do all that stuff. ----------------- I am death, the destroyer of worlds.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Verital I'd leave the Death Star out of the argument since, lets be realistic, thats just not fair! Its basically a point + click solution to any caps or supercaps that EVE brings to the fight. Yeah, right up until you warped the fleet behind it. You know, the 90% of it's hull that doesn't have a super-laser mounted on it. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Verital	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Verital I'd leave the Death Star out of the argument since, lets be realistic, thats just not fair! Its basically a point + click solution to any caps or supercaps that EVE brings to the fight. Yeah, right up until you warped the fleet behind it. You know, the 90% of it's hull that doesn't have a super-laser mounted on it. Good point. But then it's still not harmless. Still has those fighter batallions, small turrets. And if we remove that annoying and unrealistic 1-missile-in-the-exhaust-pipe-and-it-blows-up thing I'd imagine that it's effective HP would be absolutely staggering
War Keynvor PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Verital Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Verital I'd leave the Death Star out of the argument since, lets be realistic, thats just not fair! Its basically a point + click solution to any caps or supercaps that EVE brings to the fight. Yeah, right up until you warped the fleet behind it. You know, the 90% of it's hull that doesn't have a super-laser mounted on it. Good point. But then it's still not harmless. Still has those fighter batallions, small turrets. And if we remove that annoying and unrealistic 1-missile-in-the-exhaust-pipe-and-it-blows-up thing I'd imagine that it's effective HP would be absolutely staggering Titan jumps in behind the Deathstar at fairly close range and fires DD, the entire outer hull of the Deathstar would just be peeled off and you can wave goodbye to the fighter battalions with the push of a single button. Then Titan just has to work out which way the Deathstar is rotating and move in the same direction until it can jump back out.
Tajidan Somalia Warlords	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:01:00 - [18] oh, and in before "EVE has Lag"
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:18:00 - [19] Star Wars has other super weapons too. Centerpoint or the Sun Crusher could make stars go nova. Also the size of the fleets that exist in the Star Wars universe make EvE blobs look like skirmishes. Also Wedge Antilles does not exist in EvE and Wedge>all
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:28:00 - [20] remember they have interdictor cruisers which create planet sized warp scrambling fields. the opposing fleet would get slagged, there would be much smack in local. ------------- fixed for greater eve content

Forum Alt	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:30:00 - [21] Originally by: War Keynvor Titan jumps in behind the Deathstar at fairly close range and fires DD, the entire outer hull of the Deathstar would just be peeled off and you can wave goodbye to the fighter battalions with the push of a single button. Then Titan just has to work out which way the Deathstar is rotating and move in the same direction until it can jump back out. looks at the other 40-50 big vessels that would be very unhappy about that turn of events Thats also assuming that the DDD gets ALL of the fighters. Chances are that the fighters wont be engaging the titan directly, it would be smarter to send most of them at the frigates, cruisers, intys and such. Most of the DPS on the titans would be coming from star destroyers and such, witch are probably well outside of DDD range. And I've never flown/encountered a titan, but arent they unable to jump or warp for a while after launching their DDD?
Zaiyo Modi	Posted - 2008.04.16 20:25:00 - [22] Edited by: Zaiyo Modi on 16/04/2008 20:36:52 I found a list of Star Wars Superweapons, some were new to me. Err, warning, if you read Star Wars books, then this link probably contain spoilers.
Elysarian Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.04.16 20:54:00 - [23] Originally by: War Keynvor Ship size comparison (Eve vs other Sci Fi): http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0704/eve-comparison.jpg Super Star Destroyer is basically a Titan, but without a superweapon. As for the Deathstar; that superweapon is pretty nifty but it faces in one direction and that giant ball isn't the most nimble of ships, just hot drop a Titan and a load of dreads behind the Deathstar hit siege mode and fire your DD. Oh and be sure to tank for EM and thermal. Even if the empire was winning the fight it'd be just a matter of time before they aggrevate the Jovians and then its bye bye Empire, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. I'm offended by the absence of the Jupiter Mining Ship "Red Dwarf" from that comparison image!
Gabber359	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Verital Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Verital I'd leave the Death Star out of the argument since, lets be realistic, thats just not fair! Its basically a point + click solution to any caps or supercaps that EVE brings to the fight. Yeah, right up until you warped the fleet behind it. You know, the 90% of it's hull that doesn't have a super-laser mounted on it. Good point. But then it's still not harmless. Still has those fighter batallions, small turrets. And if we remove that annoying and unrealistic 1-missile-in-the-exhaust-pipe-and-it-blows-up thing I'd imagine that it's effective HP would be absolutely staggering ----->It is also protected by 10,000 turbolaser batteries, 2,600 ion cannons, and at least 768 tractor beam projectors You understand that the the turbolasers are anti-capital ship weapons, right? Same goes for the ion cannons. Also, the Empire have Interdictors aswell. Gl warping anywhere :)
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:13:00 - [25] Simple, we get the Empire soldiers hooked on Crash and Exotic Dancers. They would then be dependant on us and have to trade their secrets
Bosie Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:57:00 - [26] A good starting point would be what kind of output do Eve weapons do and what kind of energy can Eve shields and armour take. Then compare that with Empire ships.
Bosie Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:57:00 - [27] Click me.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.16 22:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Gabber359 Originally by: Verital Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Verital I'd leave the Death Star out of the argument since, lets be realistic, thats just not fair! Its basically a point + click solution to any caps or supercaps that EVE brings to the fight. Yeah, right up until you warped the fleet behind it. You know, the 90% of it's hull that doesn't have a super-laser mounted on it. Good point. But then it's still not harmless. Still has those fighter batallions, small turrets. And if we remove that annoying and unrealistic 1-missile-in-the-exhaust-pipe-and-it-blows-up thing I'd imagine that it's effective HP would be absolutely staggering ----->It is also protected by 10,000 turbolaser batteries, 2,600 ion cannons, and at least 768 tractor beam projectors You understand that the the turbolasers are anti-capital ship weapons, right? Same goes for the ion cannons. Also, the Empire have Interdictors aswell. Gl warping anywhere :) 1.Warp your Titan (an Avatar) and a sizable support fleet (enough to convince them you mean business) 100-200KM from the enemy Star Destroyer fleet, preferably between said fleet and the Death Star so TIE fighters launched from each would arrive at approximately the same time. 2. Once the TIE fighters are actively engaging your support fleet (which is tanked against EM/Thermal, lasers and all), fire off the DDD - this will annihilate the fighters and cripple most of the Star Destroyers. It will also probably have a MASSIVE effect against the Death Star because it will absorb over 30% of the TOTAL FORCE generated by the DDD. 3. Mop up remaining fleet while making sure any defenses located on the surface of the Death Star (assuming it's outer armor survived the DDD) are taken care of by the support fleet. 4. Focus fire on a specific point of the Death Star so you literally carve a hole as deep as you can into the superstructure while waiting for the DDD to recharge 5. Navigate the titan as close as possible to the hole blasted into the Death Star 6. Fire DDD again, watch the imperial moon shatter like a frozen gumball dropped off a roof.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.04.16 22:10:00 - [29] Well starwars wins with small fighters as they have pure numbers, plus their big ship(deathstar)pwns most big ships very fast.... However our titan has area of affect so we nullify any of their smaller ships whilst our medium to large sized ships are far too many for the deathstar to take out single handedly. Another words, good fight but eve wins.
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.04.16 22:17:00 - [30] Star Wars has the resources of an ENTIRE GALAXY rather than the bare handful of systems the EvE empires have access to. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.



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