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Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:40:00 - [1] Simple... If you're in a noobcorp you should only be allowed to fly frigs in hisec. There's a big problem with macro miners in this game. Not only does CCP have a problem keeping up with the bannings, but we can't even wardec them. Sure this will effect some non-macro miners too, but TBH you hisec risk-adverse noobcorp pussies should die too. It's time to put the hammer down. ----------------------------------- You're not a pirate unless your -10
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:56:00 - [2] This is either a horrible idea with no consideration for ANY players in NPC corps, or a very poor troll. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Hlidskjalf Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:57:00 - [3] He meant to post this in Crimes and Punishment, me thinks. - - - - - - - - - High sec miner. Why could possibly compel me to hurl my Retriever into low sec at you, unless it were loaded with explosives, and would destroy you too. :)
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.04.16 20:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Tarminic This is either a horrible idea with no consideration for ANY players in NPC corps, or a very poor troll. Nope, I'm dead serious. Stop being such a softy. And Hlidskjalf, sounds like a farmer name to me. Big surprise you're against the idea. ----------------------------------- You're not a pirate unless your -10
Hlidskjalf Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.16 20:41:00 - [5] Quote: And Hlidskjalf, sounds like a farmer name to me. Big surprise you're against the idea. Wikipedia Better luck next time.
Mavolio White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.16 20:54:00 - [6] They should add another tier of NPC corps which after trial time is up you are forced to join. Then you should be able to war dec those corps if you wanted to for some reason. Would give people a reason not to be anti-social then and actualy join a real corp. wouldn't be hard to make a bot to auto select topics from wikipedia within a certain length. Prob worth reporting just incase.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.04.16 23:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Hlidskjalf Edited by: Hlidskjalf on 16/04/2008 20:59:06 Quote: And Hlidskjalf, sounds like a farmer name to me. Big surprise you're against the idea. Wikipedia Better luck next time. Edit: rather than keep posting and give the trolls some food to waste time on, I'll say it here. If you have to resort to attempting to discredit someone by the choice of their name, you fail. At life. Simply put, there are worse names out there than one connected to Norse Mythology. Lol, I fail at life because I didn't recognize a name in Norse Mythology? Without being all knowing in Norse Mythology, one might assume that you just mashed the keyboard... a common practice among Chinese sweatshop farmers. Maybe we're actually dealing with Norse farmers! ----------------------------------- You're not a pirate unless your -10
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.04.17 04:50:00 - [8] Edited by: Havok Dryke on 17/04/2008 04:51:15 Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Hlidskjalf Edited by: Hlidskjalf on 16/04/2008 20:59:06 Quote: And Hlidskjalf, sounds like a farmer name to me. Big surprise you're against the idea. Wikipedia Better luck next time. Edit: rather than keep posting and give the trolls some food to waste time on, I'll say it here. If you have to resort to attempting to discredit someone by the choice of their name, you fail. At life. Simply put, there are worse names out there than one connected to Norse Mythology. Lol, I fail at life because I didn't recognize a name in Norse Mythology? Without being all knowing in Norse Mythology, one might assume that you just mashed the keyboard... a common practice among Chinese sweatshop farmers. Maybe we're actually dealing with Norse farmers! Norse = Icelandic Icelandic = CCP CCP farmers? CONSPIRACY MODE ACTIVATE Also, no. Limit it to nothing above Retriever and Battlecruiser and I'd be happy.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.17 05:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Kruel Lol, I fail at life because I didn't recognize a name in Norse Mythology? Without being all knowing in Norse Mythology, one might assume that you just mashed the keyboard... a common practice among Chinese sweatshop farmers. No, you fail because you see something you don't recognize and immediately ASSume. Just like your post, you think that what you think is better than everyone else's. Next time ask yourself why 37% of all ACTIVE players are in NPC corps and look in the mirror. Then wonder exactly how CCP will pay its bills if you screw those players over.
Zartach Tzarszh Minmatar The Royal Engineers	Posted - 2008.04.17 09:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Originally by: Kruel Lol, I fail at life because I didn't recognize a name in Norse Mythology? Without being all knowing in Norse Mythology, one might assume that you just mashed the keyboard... a common practice among Chinese sweatshop farmers. No, you fail because you see something you don't recognize and immediately ASSume. Just like your post, you think that what you think is better than everyone else's. ^_^ Just because you see a name that might ot be directly readable in "your" native language does not mean someone hit some random keys. Secondly, the NPC corp thing has been slain to death, it wont change, and i wonder why people want to to be honest. You can still kill those nubs even if they hang out in "random cladari nubcorp #6" missioning a hole in their chair in their uber pimped CalNAvRav. All it takes is some :effort: and risk.
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.04.17 09:51:00 - [11] Another proposal nerfing any newbies and making him quit as soon as possible, forget it, it can't happen! And for the infamous farmer names... at mistaking a nordic name for a random typed farmer name... And I'm still wondering why they are not using a damn name generator, there are so many availaible... So, spotting macros just by the name, is plain stupid, there are lazy people creating alts with crap names. PS : Great choice on the nordic god name.
Tawrich Tistrya	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Mavolio They should add another tier of NPC corps which after trial time is up you are forced to join. Then you should be able to war dec those corps if you wanted to for some reason. Would give people a reason not to be anti-social then and actualy join a real corp. This is a pretty good idea actually but i'd reverse it. Every trial account starts in a "training" corp , make it that while in training corp you can't lock or be locked by others and it seems to me like a nice warm fuzzy opening into the rich , harsh world that is ( or can be ) eve. Then again this wont stop anyone from staying in the next "tier" npc corp offcourse. One other thing: It's been awhile but while in an npc corp you still have a corp chat right? why would being in an npc corp be less social then being in a corp led by another player , the only real dif in social interaction i see is lack of a real corp leader Quote: TRINITY + PATCH = EPIC FAIL QFT!
Mavolio White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Tawrich Tistrya One other thing: It's been awhile but while in an npc corp you still have a corp chat right? why would being in an npc corp be less social then being in a corp led by another player , the only real dif in social interaction i see is lack of a real corp leader Well more social then as you would have to actualy work with other people in a player corp . Tho when i was in the NPC corp very few people actualy spoke in the channel other than people still on their trial account asking questions and 2 older members answering them which was very very very far off the total number of people in that chat channel.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.17 13:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Mavolio Well more social then as you would have to actualy work with other people in a player corp . Tho when i was in the NPC corp very few people actualy spoke in the channel other than people still on their trial account asking questions and 2 older members answering them which was very very very far off the total number of people in that chat channel. Its been a while since you were in a NPC corp, hasn't it? The NPC Corp channels are VERY active. And gasp they even play together. Its not unusual for several to gang together, go run missions, make lowsec runs, mine, etc. All the while chattering in Corp channel. Just because you CAN play alone, doesn't mean everyone does. You can be even more alone in a PC Corp, a lot of the NPC Corp people have been in PC Corps and left because they were bored. PC Corp != Good Corp or companionship by default. There are tonnes of bad PC Corps.
Ezekiel Sulastin Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.04.17 13:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby The NPC Corp channels are VERY active. And gasp they even play together. Its not unusual for several to gang together, go run missions, make lowsec runs, mine, etc. All the while chattering in Corp channel. All hail the CAS plex-running Tristan swarm - I wonder if they still do those ... When I was that new, it was quite fun ganging up with 8 or 9 other tristans, warping around, and generally doing stupid shooting tricks that ended in nice explosions on both sides ... Must have been hallucinating, because apparently nobody in a noobcorp interacts with other players ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.04.17 15:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Mavolio They should add another tier of NPC corps which after trial time is up you are forced to join. Then you should be able to war dec those corps if you wanted to for some reason. Would give people a reason not to be anti-social then and actualy join a real corp. I like this idea too, but people would complain because these 2nd tier noobcorps would likely be permadecced. ----------------------------------- You're not a pirate unless your -10
Mavolio White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.17 15:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Kruel I like this idea too, but people would complain because these 2nd tier noobcorps would likely be permadecced. that would prob be a minor problem at first when every 1 jumps on the "kill the noobs band wagon" then the pirates would realise it means they can attack hundreds of people who sit in empire all day. Then a fair number of pirates would join so you never know if though the next jump is more noobs to kill or a gang of hardened PvP'ers. If i was stuck in empire for a few days i would willingly join a NPC corp if it meant there were lots of juicy targets to kill while i waited.
Buckyballs Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:50:00 - [18] To the OP; I can see putting restrictions on trial accounts. Can't sell more than 100k of anything per week, no contract sales, lock or be locked. Once you start paying for an account then it opens up. The default NPC corps are fine. If I am a paying customer and I don't want to socialize, then I don't have to. Maybe, just maybe, I can't stand the level of moronic chat. If I want to go ratting, mining, building or exploring by myself, it's my business and I'm paying CCP to do it, not you. If you can't find enough targets, go to the alliance home systems in 0.0 and camp their stations, or is that too much risk for you? Quit complaining about how everyone else ruins the game by playing in a way you don't like. As far as macro miners are concerned, CCP is dealing with them the best they can. Report them when you find them, which means in your short sighted thinking, any name you don't immediately recognize in your native language. Next time open your mind, not your mouth (keyboard). I have some alts which have names from dead languages. Please please please shoot at them. I can't wait.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Buckyballs To the OP; I can see putting restrictions on trial accounts. Can't sell more than 100k of anything per week, no contract sales, lock or be locked. Once you start paying for an account then it opens up. The default NPC corps are fine. If I am a paying customer and I don't want to socialize, then I don't have to. Maybe, just maybe, I can't stand the level of moronic chat. If I want to go ratting, mining, building or exploring by myself, it's my business and I'm paying CCP to do it, not you. If you can't find enough targets, go to the alliance home systems in 0.0 and camp their stations, or is that too much risk for you? Quit complaining about how everyone else ruins the game by playing in a way you don't like. As far as macro miners are concerned, CCP is dealing with them the best they can. Report them when you find them, which means in your short sighted thinking, any name you don't immediately recognize in your native language. Next time open your mind, not your mouth (keyboard). I have some alts which have names from dead languages. Please please please shoot at them. I can't wait. Ok, first off... this is a multiplayer game. You want singleplayer, go play Freelancer or something. Second, you can still do your own thing in your own corp. My carebearing mission-whoring noobalt is in a corp of his own, which is wardeccable. No one's ever wardecced it, but at least I'm not exploiting a broken system which caters to chinese/norse sweatshop farmers and risk adverse carebear pussies like yourself.
Buckyballs Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.17 19:21:00 - [20] Well, let's be correct here. It is a multiplayer game and I do interact with other players through the market. But I assume you do go ratting and you probably do that alone provided you can handle them yourself. I just choose not to join a corp because I don't need to. Maybe I'm risk adverse on this character because it's an industrial character, not a combat character. Last time I checked, that is a viable profession in EVE. My combat character is not risk adverse. If you have a effective solution to eliminate macro miners that does not sledghammer other players than I would be behind you 100%.
Vadimik Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.17 19:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Kruel Ok, first off... this is a multiplayer game. You want singleplayer, go play Freelancer or something. Second, you can still do your own thing in your own corp. My carebearing mission-whoring noobalt is in a corp of his own, which is wardeccable. No one's ever wardecced it, but at least I'm not exploiting a broken system which caters to chinese/norse sweatshop farmers and risk adverse carebear pussies like yourself. First off, MMORPG does not mean that you have to be social, it only means that you will have to deal with others playing in the same universe. And, yes, taking steps to ignore them perfectly fits into "dealing with". Next, EULA clearly states that a player can do anything he likes unless he breaks the rules. And rules say nothing about solo play being forbidden. Last, but not least: do you even know the rules behind wardecing ? You can leave wardeced corp at any time with no penalty, so you can't really wardec someone who does not care about his corp history. Hint: people that "hide" behind "NPC" corps (aka evil farmers and griefers), as a rule, don't care about corp history much.
Sire Magnus	Posted - 2008.04.17 19:52:00 - [22] Yes, in my opinion noob corps are as bad as any other exploit. They allow characters 100% protection from public accountability. Ore thieves and macro miners can abuse this loophole and function with virtually no risk. If you are going to be anti-social and steal ore ... then it is only fair that you also play from a position that others can be anti-social to you in return. Your NPC corp should evict you for your crimes and leave you in a dec'able corp or possibly 'no corp' (you can only fly your pod while in 'no-corp') Macro miners, or any large scale mining operation for that matter, has a definative presence and impact on other players through the economy or by contest for available resources. No player should be allowed the ability to impact another player from a position of impunity. Whenever that kind of situation exists it invariably gets abused, and that is the case now as well.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.04.17 20:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Sire Magnus No player should be allowed the ability to impact another player from a position of impunity. Good point. While my main gripe is not being able to wardec obvious macro farmers in hisec... as you pointed out there's also the problem of theives, suicide gankers, and mission probers hiding in their unwardeccable noobcorps. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how wrong that is.
Chi Quan Perkone	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:49:00 - [24] now you speak true. somebody griefed you and you want all that fuzzy feeling of revenge, dude just jump the suicide bandwagon.
Vadimik Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.18 19:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Kruel While my main gripe is not being able to wardec obvious macro farmers in hisec... as you pointed out there's also the problem of theives, suicide gankers, and mission probers hiding in their unwardeccable noobcorps. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how wrong that is. The only thing "wrong" with it is how some people fail to deal with drawbacks of highsec. That's the whole point of highsec - that's you can't randomly shot (or wardec) someone just cause you think he "deserves" it (not even if he "really" does). Highsec is the place where you have adapt to concord laws, even if it means less profit or no "revenge" for you. If some carebears can't deal with that - they are wellcomed to go back to lowsec and nullsec where they belong.
NeonGen	Posted - 2008.04.20 14:32:00 - [26] Imo the only right way to deal with ISK farmers is: Keeping lists of farmers names, and every ones in a while reporting such lists to a GM through petitions. This way you can actually help CCP in their campaign to rid the world of EVE of ISK farmers. After you've been trough the above called formalities, it's time to go goonswarm on their flat asses
Raven Timoshenko Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold	Posted - 2008.04.20 14:53:00 - [27] My Take: 1) NPC Corp pilots pay a tax to the NPC Corp for Ratting / Missioning ( Say 10 to 15% ) ( Another Money Sink) 2) Standing towards NPC corps / faction should be positively affected by making sales at their stations, and negatively affected with by sales with their competitors PROVIDED you are in a player corp. For example: I exclusively make my sales with Astral Mining Corp ( It is assumed that they get the station tax on sales). For every 10000ISK in tax, my standing goes up by say 0.01. However we can also say that Astral COMPETES with other NPC corps, say Zor & Sons ( just off the top of my head) and if you sell with them it declines. Mining, Hacking and Archeology Mini Games http://oldforums.eveonline.com/? a=topic&threadID=7463
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.04.20 22:53:00 - [28] Originally by: Kruel Lol, I fail at life because I didn't recognize a name in Norse Mythology? Without being all knowing in Norse Mythology, one might assume that you just mashed the keyboard... a common practice among Chinese sweatshop farmers. You fail at life because instead of apologizing and admitting you are wrong and blamed an innocent player, you try to sneak and rationalize it away. Minmatar Boost Brigade
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.04.20 23:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Raven Timoshenko My Take: 1) NPC Corp pilots pay a tax to the NPC Corp for Ratting / Missioning ( Say 10 to 15% ) ( Another Money Sink) That's silly. Not only it penalizes normal players with an abusive tax, but also has no effect on macro corps which you obviously haven't heard about. Those that set corp tax to 100% (presumably so that nobody steals money from the boss), and vanish instantaneously after being decced. Originally by: Raven Timoshenko 2) Standing towards NPC corps / faction should be positively affected by making sales at their stations, and negatively affected with by sales with their competitors PROVIDED you are in a player corp. If you want standings grind for them. And that's for another topic. Minmatar Boost Brigade
Dotard Minmatar Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.20 23:40:00 - [30] I crap on this thread. --------------- Nerf You! Buff Me!

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