Discuss!

What about the people who cloak up in griffin alts with cloaks in every system. Is that a legit guerilla warfare tactic? You are able to guerilla warfare with cloaks if you are active. So derp right back to you noob.

I'm sorry

It's the analogous to a surface navy ship traversing waters where there's a known submarine threat. The location of the sub isn't known, so it's advisable for the transport/industrial ("non-combatant") vessel to be escorted by warships. If you feel "AFK cloakers" are a threat, find a different system to operate out of/in.

Submarines do not go unmanned where nobody is controlling it thus making this point a bad example. AFK cloakers is a flawed ingame mechanic and should be removed.

I am not talking about pvp here. I'm talking about afk cloakers. I have no problem if the cloakers decide to engage. There is a difference. Again, this is a flawed mechanic and as of yet nobody has justified as to why a cycle cloak should not be introduced. If you are going to disrupt industry as pointed on then you must disrupt industry while being present at your computer.

All I am saying as this AFK cloaking thing is a flawed mechanic. if you had a 15 min activation cycle. Then it would solve more problems and make this game more interesting.

AFK cloaking alts are kind of lame, but being intimidated by them is as well. Get some security and protect your space.

I don't like that people who are not behind their computer are playing the game.

Submarines do not go unmanned where nobody is controlling it thus making this point a bad example. AFK cloakers is a flawed ingame mechanic and should be removed.

Submarines do not go unmanned where nobody is controlling it thus making this point a bad example. AFK cloakers is a flawed ingame mechanic and should be removed.

Submarines do not go unmanned where nobody is controlling it thus making this point a bad example. AFK cloakers is a flawed ingame mechanic and should be removed.

I'm sorry

Something needs to be done about this. The days of sitting non-chalantly afk cloaked for hours on end needs to stop. CCP at least make these people have to be active in order to maintain a cloak. Discuss!

You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you. I'm a PvPer and this is a flawed mechanic. Cloaking needs to have an active cycle.

You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you.

Coming from a corp that pretty much lives and dies by the cloaking ability of its ships, I am all in favor of the 15 minute cycle time for cloaking with one counter balance. If I have an active fleet standing by, see a bright spot on the map and send a hunter-killer over to the system to find the 24 people the statistics says are there are either a. POSed up or b. Stationed up i think there should be a 15 minute timer on the undock and kick out mechanic implimented as well. AFK for 15 minutes? Log out or be ejected. Fair is fair.

It's easy to look good when you hide behind fleets that vastly outnumber your opponent. What was your last solo kill? Oh, a Noctis?

Okay, that's not very fair. Let's see... Oh, you kills some dudes over six months ago. A carrier against some battlecruisers. Yeah, that's awesome PvP. The only awesome thing is that they didn't just slide out of point range.

I'm not impressed. Please continue to live in your delusions of grandeur though. Everyone has that right.

inb4 "well this isn't my main"

Besides... KB stats are a pretty terrible metric and every board can be gamed. You might be interested in this thread.

mad cuz bad?

AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.

AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.

I didn't think it was possible for you to make yourself, and your position, any more foolish or lol-worthy. In this case, KB stats have no bearing on the topic under discussion.

AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.

Something needs to be done about this.

I live in w-space and find instant local chat intel a failed mechanic.

Anyway I still think that introducing cloak fuel could be quite interesting, for both the cloaker and the targets. Just like submarines have to sufrace some day, so would the cloaker. Or then sneak out of the system while you still have fuel.

More gameplay, a new consumable item, wouldn't hurt the primary use of cloaks, but would prevent eternal cloaking.

Just to clarify: No manual cycles or cap usage, but a fuel bay that could hold fuel for what, say, 6-12 hours? Anyway plenty enough that you could cloak our ass out during a normal play session. If you would want to cloak for longer, have a hauler anchor a small can for you in a SS, or another cloakie bring fuel for you.

i approve that we could remove afk cloaking, but only if they remove poses too and other safe spots that makes possible to be invulnerable to attacks in 0.0.

Remove instant local? Nonono... Not knowing who is in local is worse than knowing someone is neutral and in local. Living in a wormholes your used to it, but to avoid reds showing up and your system and popping you local is vital

I'm sorry but seeing afk cloakers in every system whose job is to just scare miners is stupid. Even when we set these guys up and kill them we come back to find more afk cloakers who occasionally decloak to shoot some torps at cans people have mined. These guys go hours on end afk cloaking. Therefore I think it's best that cloaking either requires cap or requires you be active in order to cycle an activation timer.

Something needs to be done about this. The days of sitting non-chalantly afk cloaked for hours on end needs to stop. CCP at least make these people have to be active in order to maintain a cloak. Discuss!

I am not talking about pvp here. I'm talking about afk cloakers. I have no problem if the cloakers decide to engage. There is a difference. Again, this is a flawed mechanic and as of yet nobody has justified as to why a cycle cloak should not be introduced. If you are going to disrupt industry as pointed on then you must disrupt industry while being present at your computer.

I'm sorry but seeing afk cloakers in every system whose job is to just scare miners is stupid. Even when we set these guys up and kill them we come back to find more afk cloakers who occasionally decloak to shoot some torps at cans people have mined. These guys go hours on end afk cloaking. Therefore I think it's best that cloaking either requires cap or requires you be active in order to cycle an activation timer.

Something needs to be done about this. The days of sitting non-chalantly afk cloaked for hours on end needs to stop. CCP at least make these people have to be active in order to maintain a cloak. Discuss!

Dealing with it is not the issue. As stated above. Like many of you have said. It is an effective and legit way to disrupt the industry of an entity. But in order to do industry in 0.0 one must be active. Therefore if one is to disrupt industry in 0.0, one should also be active. That is my argument. It is mega gaming. Don't sit there and tell me this is not a valid argument..

Remove instant local? Nonono... Not knowing who is in local is worse than knowing someone is neutral and in local. Living in a wormholes your used to it, but to avoid reds showing up and your system and popping you local is vital

to avoid reds showing up and your system and popping you local is vital

to avoid reds showing up and your system and popping you WHILE YOU ARE BEING LAZYlocal is vital

What about the people who cloak up in griffin alts with cloaks in every system. Is that a legit guerilla warfare tactic? You are able to guerilla warfare with cloaks if you are active. So derp right back to you noob.

Lol no surprise a member of the CFC is whining about this.

Something needs to be done about this.

My only issue with removing local is that ninja ratting would become extremely difficult. Having no backup is hard enough, it'd be equivalent to living in a WH by yourself (does anyone do that? If so, have any pointers? WH's sound interesting, but with kids and college I don't really have time for a large corp these days. )

You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you. I'm a PvPer and this is a flawed mechanic. Cloaking needs to have an active cycle.

AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.

Several thoughts:

1.) If stats meant anything, I would tell your noob-ass to STFU and sit in a corner, and you'd have to obey... You don't have to be some L33t PvPer to understand the issues being discussed in this thread.

2.) Speaking of issues, your main post does NOT coherently provide any discussion on why cloaking is a problem. In it, you complain that AFK cloakers are periodically decloaking and attacking mining vessels and/or their jetcans. If you really think you have a leg to stand on, you need to:

1. Show you understand what cloaking brings to the game....(which you don't seem to grasp).
2. Explain how the current implementations of the cloak create a problem that can't be reasonably dealt with using current game mechanis (which you have yet to do).
3. Explain how your suggestion will improve cloaks to limit any problems while simultaneously retaining the vital abilities of a cloak. (Hint, the ability to safely hide, and the ability to counter the local chat intel tool are vital roles of cloaks).

You fail to communicate this info, let alone show you understand it. Until then, you'll be summarily dismissed as a whiny player that doesn't know how to deal with the insecurities of non-high-sec space...

Again if industry and ratting can be disrupted while being afk while industry and ratting cannot happen while being afk(within game mechanics). Then you should not be able to disrupt industry and ratting while afk. That is my argument. AFK Cloaking is still a flawed mechanic and none of you have provided any logical explanation as to why it should not be fixed.

Even the guy who stays cloaked with his Orca. What is preventing you from activating a manual cycle every 30 mins? My argument is sound.

Torothin the flawed mechanic is Local Chat Intel, without which the whole AFK cloaker "issue" vanishes. You said earlier you were in favor of removing Local, so why not make a new thread about that instead of shaming yourself further by extending the life of this one with further posts about how AFK people bother you.

Almost every person is told when they're a child that if you're going out, have at least 1 friend with you. You know, the good old-fashioned Buddy System. In this case, that buddy can be a combat ship or two.

If you want to solo mine in peace, go squirrel yourself away in some corner of derelik or kador because what you want to do and what you should do don't square up for 0.0 life.

/T

Zig-zag fly around in ur system till you uncloak the AFK cloaked, BM, get propper ship to blow it up............ problem solved.

I seriously hope that this doesn't get rolled out just because it's been moaned about enough over the years. No space should be safe, all an AFK cloaker is doing is making you feel threatened. If you're NOT threatened when you're playing EVE you're doing something wrong - or you're a Nullbear (may or may not be analogous with 'doing something wrong').

The problem is thusfold: your opposition has taken a step to disrupt your industry (AFK Cloakers). Your in-game response to this is to do nothing. Your out of game response to this is to ask for it to be nerfed.

If you're not willing to defend your space, you will lose it.

Is there an 'afk cloaker' present?

A: No... go mine and look at local

B: Yes ... go next door and mine

There needs to be some way of finding and killing ships that are cloaked and stationary for a long peroid of time.
At the moment the hunter can never really become the hunted unless he reveals himself.
I wonder how hunters would feel for instance if you could mine from a perma cloaked ship?

Why not give cloaked ships the ability to find other cloaked ships abit like submarines stalking each other.

I hear alot of people laughing when noobs loose ships in high sec and say no where in EVE is completley safe
I could not agree more with that statement but it should also apply to sitting cloaked in a system full of hostile people.

There needs to be some way of finding and killing ships that are cloaked and stationary for a long peroid of time.
At the moment the hunter can never really become the hunted unless he reveals himself.
I wonder how hunters would feel for instance if you could mine from a perma cloaked ship?

Why not give cloaked ships the ability to find other cloaked ships abit like submarines stalking each other.

I hear alot of people laughing when noobs loose ships in high sec and say no where in EVE is completley safe
I could not agree more with that statement but it should also apply to sitting cloaked in a system full of hostile people.

Exactly. Have a cloaked afk neutral in every single system is a bit ridiculous. There needs to be a way to decloak these guys. i feel that a manual activation cycle would be best.

Exactly. Have a cloaked afk neutral in every single system is a bit ridiculous. There needs to be a way to decloak these guys. i feel that a manual activation cycle would be best.

Tactics are already in place.
Form a home defence fleet, all those guys sitting in station playing with ships, do co-ordinated mining ops with backup, couple of insta canes or even tackle frigates, what you should be asking is why is my corp not dealing with this situation ?

due to someone being an idot

Yet again, you guys make the assumption that we do not do this. Still no solid concrete information as to why afk cloakers that come active every other or so gets a gank due to someone being an idotand then go back to afk cloaking should be allowed. It's a flawed mechanic.

Remove instant local? Nonono... Not knowing who is in local is worse than knowing someone is neutral and in local. Living in a wormholes your used to it, but to avoid reds showing up and your system and popping you local is vital

You don't like having local, you living in W-Space
I like having local, I live in K-Space

Cloak fuel... I do like that idea. make it a consumable item you need to keep in your cargo hold or something, maybe an ice product so that it cant be monopolized like moon mining. Give cloaky ships a bonus to fuel usage or a special fuel bay, and make it impossible to cloak capitals.

Being docked up is 100% safe. The downside is all you can do is spin your ship.

Being cloaked is quite safe as well (but not 100%). The downside is all you can do is look around.

It's quite possible to "hunt the hunter" without having a tool to decloak them.

So if a guy decides to cloak up in a system then leave his PC unattended for the rest of the day how exactly do you hunt him?

I mine in a scythe in 2-k and for the last week a afk cloacker has been in the system all day and I can't do anything because a scythe can't defend itself hardly from the rats let alone a bomber or stabber. At this rate I will never get into a malestrom or a hulk.

I mine in a scythe in 2-k and for the last week a afk cloacker has been in the system all day and I can't do anything because a scythe can't defend itself hardly from the rats let alone a bomber or stabber. At this rate I will never get into a malestrom or a hulk.

So if a guy decides to cloak up in a system then leave his PC unattended for the rest of the day how exactly do you hunt him?

I agree. The OP is in wrecking shots. I seriously doubt he cares about afk cloakers. This is truly an elaborate troll. I tip my hat to you good sir. This is the best one I have ever seen.