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The Mook
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:05:00 -
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Just watch out for me! 
Now who owns them?
What are they?
What was in two of them? |
The Mook
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: The Mook on 22/04/2004 19:31:40
Oh, a total of 4 Bestowers and 3 Vexors was found in the system. These where the only screenshots i took though. 
Had to add this, 2 of the bestowers where full of bistot 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:25:00 -
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Salvage rights - looks like a totally legitimate coup to me - nice one 
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:31:00 -
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Are these ships owned by people logged off in space? What happens if someone finds your logged-off ship and then takes it . . . where do you appear when you log back in?
Cao
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Cao Cao
Are these ships owned by people logged off in space? What happens if someone finds your logged-off ship and then takes it . . . where do you appear when you log back in?
Cao
Nah - those are ships the owner has ejected from. He's either floating aobut in his pod or got into another ship. SOme folkspark multiple ships in "safe spots" you see, so they cna change ship depending on job required - especially way out in 0.0 space with no stations about.
Obviously the problem is if your safe spot is found and then somebodyelse with the right skills hops into your parked ships and - voila!
Salvage.
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Bella Verde
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:35:00 -
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think they might actually be abandoned ships, they ejected in their pods and went to a nearby station in shuttles to go do something, I'd assume.
Nice catch, anyway. 
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Armin Chamberlain
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:42:00 -
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So why did you self destruct them? |
The Mook
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:45:00 -
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We where looking to do damage against the corp, they where camping the gates into the system as well. So the best thing to do at the time was to blow em all up
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:47:00 -
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Safespots have never been and never will be 100% safe.
Back in the day when I did alot of hunting out in 0.0 I set up many cargodumps.
They consist simply of a bunch of secure cans anchored in nowhere space.
I however always considered the cans to be comprimised if I had been out of the system for more than 1 hour.
Thus, when I logged off out there I had a secondary safespot with no physical mass to find where I would quit so that I would never log back on and find a coupple of BS guarding my cans waiting for me.
I only ever left a ship in space once, it cost me the stabber as a bug moved it over downtime and I was in no mood to travel the 2bilion km into nothing to get my ship back in a hoarder.
I petitioned but the person who checked out the location didnt find my ship there, wich was odd as I could still find my ship on a 2% scan.
The day after I got the mess about my petition my stabber transformed into a newbieship, only reason the newbieship was there I guess is cos my stabber only had mining eq on it.
I supose I should have talked to a GM about the person who found my ship so close to my petition being answered but a stabber is a small thing and I had gotten over the loss already, besides as it had been hanging there for the better part of a week it was most probably some lucky explorer who earned himself a stabber :)
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Bella Verde
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:55:00 -
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Safespots are rediculous, it makes it very hard to have a decent fight. Especially when they log off.
If it were up to me, when those black op frigs come out, when you log off, your ship should remain for about 5 minutes, so that the going to safespot - logging trick wont work as good anymore.
Actually, if it were truly up to me, you couldnt make safespots, or at least could only log in a station/at a planet/moon/sun/gate/roid belt(why?)/ basically anything anyone can warp to. This could also lead to the need to make those player built stations with hangars, so you can warp to it and log in a flash. Twould make things more strategic and less stupid.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.04.22 19:56:00 -
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Want a really good SafeSpot. Just create one temporary safe spot, then warp somewhere else from there and create another temp safespot, then warp somewhere else for there and create another temp safe spot, then warp to that safe spot and travel in any direction 2000km (or more if you have a couple MWDs. oh..
Though it will not matter when these elite ships come out that can warp to anything on the scanner.
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My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
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The Mook
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Posted - 2004.04.22 20:15:00 -
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Oh Mr nStuff, they safepoint was way off any line between planets, roid belts or gates. We had 150,000km to travel to get to it, but i do about 6.4km/s constant, so what the hell we went for it 
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Znaei
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Posted - 2004.04.22 20:16:00 -
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If you have enough time and have nothing to do, you can find all safespots if you like. Its easy, but takes usually a looong time tho.
clagnuts> im drunk just come back from pirates night in spain , wtf i thought it was some eve guys getting together for a drink , turned out to be a feken real pirates show , doh |
Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.04.22 20:43:00 -
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The Mook, you meen to say you flew 150000km to find those ships?
There must have been a way to getcloser than that.
There are some common ways to track down safespots relatively fast, doing 6.5km/s for 150000km is not one of them (even if you trip there only took about 6.5 hours).
Anyways there is a way to create a real safespot, a safespot you can not find, this method however meens flying out of scanner range from every possible point you can scan from.
I usually strive to place my safespots in space where I wont find any objects within maximum scanning range however thise are only fairly safe, I do however have one true safespot created by a bug, I got tossed about 200AU out from a point that was on the very edge of a system, I think I still have the BM somwhere but I never bothered to use it as it was created by a bug.
I hold on to it mainly for sentimental values :)
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.22 20:48:00 -
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There is a simple way to make an unfindable safespot--make a safespot 10-20AU from anything else, then make ANOTHER safespot. These are basically unfindable... although technically in a few days of looking with MWDs someone could find you (they'd need like 6 equipped or something to move at any decent rate lol)
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The Mook
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Posted - 2004.04.22 20:48:00 -
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Ah sry typo It was 1,500km snoulda proof read the post heh heh.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2004.04.22 20:50:00 -
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Fester that type of safe spot can be found as once you get within about 30 ish AU you will see the ship on your normal scanner and the ship will apear on your screen.
Bosie.
http://bosie.proboards40.com/
http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
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Aronis Contar
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Posted - 2004.04.22 20:55:00 -
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Can anyone here remember that weird event that was held, were secure containers were placed somewhere in the main systems, and when you found one, you got a password from a Polaris guy, and they were filled with goodies?
Well, during that event, we found a container anchored about 450.000 km from the closest warp target. So I went there. In an Armageddon, with 3 MWDs.
We were quite ****ed after we found out that the can belonged to a normal player, and was not part of the event
Ciao, Aronis!
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.04.22 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bosie
Fester that type of safe spot can be found as once you get within about 30 ish AU you will see the ship on your normal scanner and the ship will apear on your screen.
Bosie.
That is true, however I have not left a ship unatended in space for a very long time (see earlier post) and I do not intend to start anytime soon.
Having my cargodumps compromized is however not a big problem as they are pasworded and I never hide there if hunters enter the system, Sure, they can go there and destroy the cans if they want but they will most probably pay more isk in ammo and torps than I loose in secure cans and loot/ore.
HAving a few friends out in CA teritory I have however chosen not to use my cargodumps since pre castor, I am however going to update myself if they are infact still in CA as of this last fallout, I may just head back out there to do some quality mining and hunting :)
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Mark A
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Posted - 2004.04.22 23:18:00 -
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What about solar system BMs? They're typically well outside scanner range from the outer planet, being at least 200AU or so from the sun. Indeed I have a freak one that's 3000AU out and takes 15 mins to warp to - I'm thinking that's pretty safe ;).
The quickest way to make a solarsystem BM is to open the F11 map and right click the current system in the constellation pane and choose Keep Location.
BTW scanner range is (2^31)-1 or about 2 billion km, 1AU~=149M km, so max scan is just over 14 AUs.
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The Mook
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Posted - 2004.04.22 23:30:00 -
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Yeah those safespots are damn hard, i've gotten within 4million km of one but thats all, it's getting easier though . I've it down to about 30mins to get to a safespot thats in line with 2 warpable objects.
I can't wait for covert op frigates. If they will have a 1AU warp to range it means two thirds of the job is done, the hardest part is getting within 25000km of the damn things 
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.04.22 23:46:00 -
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Heh... 20th Legion has already thanked an "intruder" on PA space for his donation of a shiny Tempest to the fleet...
Safespots...pfff
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.04.23 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: TWD on 23/04/2004 00:04:46
100 AU+ safespots are useless, takes too long to warp when needed.
do like Nstuff said,
make a bookmark between 2 objects, make sure its not close (1 AU or less) to another object,
then warp from the bookmarked spot to another object in a totally diff direction, and make a bookmark halfway.
that last bookmarked place will be pretty much impossible to find. |
Valan
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Posted - 2004.04.23 02:21:00 -
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I was playing with my interceptor and ran out of cap in mid warp and landed in someones mid warp spot.
I was 5k from the cans. What are the chances of that happening?
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.04.23 04:52:00 -
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warp to a system bookmark in a pod... damn that can take you far... very very far....
pods have virtually no mass, and large cap, so it flings you like 14,000au away
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2004.04.23 06:32:00 -
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If a safe spot is made correctly it cannot be found. The ones that you were able to find were done by noobs marking a spot between warp spots. If you bookmark the entire system and warp to it from inside the system (after draining a lot of cap) you will go in a totally random direction AND you can go several hundred au awy from the nearest celestial body. Absolutely no way of finding it until tech changes. Not even the scanner can scan that far out. So again the makers of these spots didnt have a clue.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.04.23 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 23/04/2004 09:03:07
Agreed, the 'solar system'safespot made by bookmarking from the map are veeery hard to find.
Currently you cant get to ships in those spots. With the addition of black ops frigs you can, but it will still take alot of time to find them.
Anyway, I imagine a safespot made like this with a pod that warps to the safespot, recharges cap, warps to it again (you can never quite make the spot I think since it's actually at the edge of the system), recharges cap, warps again ...etc. would be untraceable due to the limitations on the scanner. It would take weeks to scan all space between 14 AU's from the sun and 140000 AU's from the sun (or vene more depending on how far you can actually go).
Edit: of course the cap limits on a BS would mean it would take a long time to get to such a spot. Maybe a heavy cap injector with 800 charges would help there, but then again this makes the safespot useless for anything but being totally safe. You can harldy put a heavy cap recharger on all the ships parked there.
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The Mook
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Posted - 2004.04.23 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: The Mook on 23/04/2004 09:17:17
I've nearly gotten to a solar system safespot got 4,000,000km from it before i gave up , it's not a random location in space. The bookmark is the 0,0,0 point of the system or something like it. So basically if everyone makes a bookmark to it you all are warping to the same point.
To sum up solar system bookmarks are near impossible to find but it is possible if you have the patience
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Torox
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Posted - 2004.04.23 09:51:00 -
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I have a question;
How long can you leave an 'ejected from' ship in a safe spot? ie can i leave it there for an amount of time b4 it self destructs? or will it never blow up?
And is this the same if i log out while at a safe spot?
Asking coz there seems to be some experts on safe spots here....
Thanks. |
The Mook
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Posted - 2004.04.23 09:53:00 -
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An ejected ship stays there indefinately, when you logoff while in a ship in space the ship disappears till you login again man
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Serge Tahlon
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Posted - 2004.04.23 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Serge Tahlon on 23/04/2004 09:57:01
in the bigger scheme of things you lost this guy 3 hours of traveling new ships up there.
hahahaha you really think that matters ?
oh well...
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.23 10:00:00 -
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Yeah, but the Bistot went pop that was in the Bestowers. And as we where attacking Dreamscape at the time every little bit helps.
It was nice getting the insurance money from the three Vexors though
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.04.23 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
do like Nstuff said,
make a bookmark between 2 objects, make sure its not close (1 AU or less) to another object,
then warp from the bookmarked spot to another object in a totally diff direction, and make a bookmark halfway.
that last bookmarked place will be pretty much impossible to find.
Actually no, in reality it would be rather simple to find once you have gotten it on your scanner, sure it will take a few hours to pinpoint the location but if there is somthing jucy at the center it will be worth it.
Originally by: Valan
I was playing with my interceptor and ran out of cap in mid warp and landed in someones mid warp spot.
I was 5k from the cans. What are the chances of that happening?
Very good in reality, considering the warp spot was most probably created in the same way you made it the chance is alot better then one might think.
Also some warps host numerous warp spots along it making a landing within view of one of them close to a probability, people are after all lazy.
The only high ods thing was landing within 5km but I have that down to luck :)
Kynoch:
Most of my safespots are easy to find, or in reality my cargo dumps, Im not all that interested in spending time setting them up so I just place them after a few between planets points.
I am perfectly aware that they will be found within an hour by any determined good safespot hunter but then again the hunter will only find a few password locked secure cans and nothing else.
Today most of the dumps I have (those that still are out there) hold mainly spare ammo, a few may contain some loot or a few hundred bistot, in short nothing I cant loose with a shrug.
My hidingpoints however are impossible to trace if Im not hiding there, as far as I know there is no way to track down an unocupied nowhere bookmark, it is at such I hide and at such I log off.
If I ever tried leaving a ship in space again I would however take the time to create an untracable-ish safespot as there is realy no point in loosing ones ship to stupidity :)
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.23 10:02:00 -
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Doh, was meant to reply as my Alt 'The Mook'
well the cats out of the bag now heh heh.
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Seraphiel
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Posted - 2004.04.23 10:12:00 -
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lmao
well - now its out... It was a lot of fun.
Dreamscape camped a gate for about 3 hours, while we flew around and hit their safe points.
For me - it sends a clear message... In this war, we will take you in or out of your ships.
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Serge Tahlon
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Posted - 2004.04.23 10:21:00 -
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i am not inclined to call this a war. you are terrorists and that is fine but a war this is not.
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.23 10:25:00 -
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We are hired Mercenaries, we've a job to do.
And as for the Terrorists thing, i know the importance of such tactics and how it can distabilise command and control.
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.04.23 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Celebon on 23/04/2004 10:49:05
If i remember right, before the MWD changes, I managed to get to within 620km of a m0o deadspace in a2 using only the scanner. I cannie exactly mind as it was a while back, but they were about 3-5 Au from the kaira gate in a2 and Lord Zap had dropped a large secure can (presumably filled with ammo). Admitadly it took me 3 or so hours to get to them but they popped the unsecured can before i could get any better a lock. *chuckles* I used the directional scanner and add bookmark to get within about 0.1 Au then mwd'd towards them. Took a long time as i was not on the same allignemnt from gate to planet as they were so i was mwding at an angle from the gate line and had to use 15 degree scans to nail down the position. Ach well, it passed the time. As the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy says, space is really big and really empty.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.04.23 11:02:00 -
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Turn your scanners on in PF-346, lots of ships out there even when nobody is in local. Sounds like a treasure hunt to me.
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Brep
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Posted - 2004.04.23 11:51:00 -
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The only gate camping being done here is by SAS, not to mention station camping. I find it quite hilarious that you're too scared to post with your main character, and you can't even fight a ship unless it has no pilot.. that's rich. You should be too embarrassed to admit this, let alone post it for everyone to read :)
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.04.23 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams
Originally by: TWD
do like Nstuff said,
make a bookmark between 2 objects, make sure its not close (1 AU or less) to another object,
then warp from the bookmarked spot to another object in a totally diff direction, and make a bookmark halfway.
that last bookmarked place will be pretty much impossible to find.
Actually no, in reality it would be rather simple to find once you have gotten it on your scanner, sure it will take a few hours to pinpoint the location but if there is somthing jucy at the center it will be worth it.
ok ill make a bookmark that way, and you try to find it in a few hours, k? |
Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.23 12:18:00 -
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Brep, haven't even seen you ingame. First time i've ever heard of you
Since Dreamscape have moved out of Empire space because of our actions we have had to start hunting yas down in Outer Ring region. we are currently researching into the area in terms of numbers and ships movement. With our numbers being few and there being a whole Alliance up in that region it is a fools choice to go up there in a BS.
So for the time being we are testing the water and trying to cause any disruption we can in our lil frigates. So far we have only done this over two days and according to our spies we get yas a lil freaked out when we are around
All in all, for our numbers we are doing pretty darn well imho
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.23 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Auldare on 23/04/2004 12:20:00
Double post
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Seraphiel
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Posted - 2004.04.23 13:22:00 -
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Brep - Thanks for the feedback - any insight - no matter how limited helps.
Also, IÆm compiling a Panini sticker album of Dreamscape members. You know how it is, sometimes you get the same corpse over and over again.
I must be over half way to completing it and IÆm keen to conclude my work. Do me a favour and give me a shout when you're next on-line û Your sorry ass will help me finish the section on Dreamscape Muppetsà
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zincol
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Posted - 2004.04.23 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: zincol on 23/04/2004 13:24:36
Originally by: Brep
The only gate camping being done here is by SAS, not to mention station camping. I find it quite hilarious that you're too scared to post with your main character, and you can't even fight a ship unless it has no pilot.. that's rich. You should be too embarrassed to admit this, let alone post it for everyone to read :)
Thats why you hide in 0.0 and i know that Your Ceo and another dreamscape pilot was "camping" the gates which you claim you dont do while we hunted these ships down.
We just enjoy the game for Fun and dont take it so seriously as you do.
So i belive you need to stfu.
You co-Ceo told us to come down there and so we did.
Have fun and hope to see you soon.
Any bookmark and be found if you wish to spend the time to find it - or you just use spies.
So far SAS found 3vexor's,4 Bestowers,1 celest-thingy,1 griffen of scapes at safe points.
w00t!
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Andrue
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Posted - 2004.04.23 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bella Verde
Safespots are rediculous, it makes it very hard to have a decent fight.
If you don't want your victims to fly away then warp scramble them. Running away is perfectly valid combat behaviour. Don't blame Eve just because you can't tie your victims down long enough to finish the job. 
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[Brackley, UK]
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Krusty TheClone
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Posted - 2004.04.23 13:46:00 -
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My god you make this sound difficult, press F11 and make safe spot from mini map.
NO-ONE will ever find it
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Gretau Ophidius
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Posted - 2004.04.25 09:32:00 -
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As the owner of the ships in question, I gotta say...
Nice one :)
Real life took me away from Eve suddenly for a week, had to leave everything behind. Oh, well.
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.25 10:40:00 -
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Lo Gretau!
Thnx man, your ships where pretty hard to find but we got em. I feel bad for taking them from you because you've accepted so graciously. It's always easier if the person in question flames the hell out of ya!
Cya about man and good luck in whatever you are doing.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.04.25 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
ok ill make a bookmark that way, and you try to find it in a few hours, k?
Its all a matter of knowing how the scanner works, Im no master of the directional scanner but I have managed to just for the fun of it get within 20000-30000km of such points in space by trying to align the object I want to go to against a planet or moon.
As I dont usually have 2-3 MWD's fitted and as there were only secure cans at the center I decided it wasnt worth getting closer but that was done in about 2-3hrs.
Now I can not be sure that the Cans were dumped in the way described earlier but I do know they were not dumped along the line I started from.
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zincol
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Posted - 2004.04.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gretau Ophidius
As the owner of the ships in question, I gotta say...
Nice one :)
Real life took me away from Eve suddenly for a week, had to leave everything behind. Oh, well.
Let's just say it makes up for u making an alt with the same name as ure main in ure corp (war) and locking/tryin to jump in way of missles in luminaire ;-)
w00t!
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.04.25 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mark A
What about solar system BMs? They're typically well outside scanner range from the outer planet, being at least 200AU or so from the sun. Indeed I have a freak one that's 3000AU out and takes 15 mins to warp to - I'm thinking that's pretty safe ;).
The quickest way to make a solarsystem BM is to open the F11 map and right click the current system in the constellation pane and choose Keep Location.
BTW scanner range is (2^31)-1 or about 2 billion km, 1AU~=149M km, so max scan is just over 14 AUs.
Solar system BMs are considered as exploit by the devs, you will get banned for it. I even have a screeny, if you don't believe it and have webspace you could host it.
If people warp to a safe spot, the first direction I use to warp is the solar system BMs, since it's always the same direction. I then warp, turn on fraps, and scan.
Well, I'd like to have safespots removed entirely from the game - pursuits from moon to moon are much more challenging and exciting than warping to safespots and logging out anyway.
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