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Ragnar STS
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.02.29 07:53:00 -
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The Ushra'Khan is indeed being reborn. We must be somewhat careful at this time, being weakened by years of fighting. We have worn out many of our best warriors. The Amarr gods see what we are doing, and they are afraid. They can see our new freedom fighter training camp in Geminate, and can do nothing about it. Indeed, working with the Sansha invaders and setting up an incursion is the best they can do. Working devilishly behind the scenes, doing anything to weaken the matar people.
We must rise up and protest. Protest with the highsec matar authorities to finally unveil the workings of the Amarr, Sansha, and their secret Concord underlings.
We will survive the incursion. We will survive the Amarr. We will rise again. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
753
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Posted - 2012.02.29 09:51:00 -
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Amarrians colluding with the Sansha?
That's a bold claim, and one which needs to be backed up with evidence. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.02.29 11:37:00 -
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As a Matari, I would like to express my deep skepticism regarding these claims.
The Amarr are many things, but Toaster is not one of them. Unless of course you have proof otherwise? N'maro Makari Special Investigative Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Ragnar STS
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
25
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:07:00 -
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The Manalaz Investigation, while never producing any actionable concrete results, should still be capable of raising doubts in even the most deluded Amarr citizen.
I also would ask why nobody thinks it is weird that Concord does not properly pay for the destruction of sansha rats. It is like they are intentionally setting it up so that a pilot is intent on NOT killing every incursion ship, and allowing more reinforcements to come. Seriously...farming our cybernetically controlled and twisted brothers! Their poor bodies are pumping blood mixed with oil and electrolytes. They should be put out of their misery immediately and not farmed for their twisted and depraved technology modules.
Some say 'actionable intelligence' is that which is confirmed by a score. Higher points are awarded for 'trusted informers'. Some points are awarded for lower level informers that simply concur with said trusted informers. Some more points yet are awarded for other indicators. I prefer the ancient model of an oppressed people on the planet earth. I say that you can know more than you can prove.
Seriously. When was the last time that you smote somebody in highsec just for looking at you the wrong way? Remember how fast Concord was on you? Remember how you couldn't cloak or run away? Remember how you didn't kill any of the Concord...not even a frigate? Concord has substantial technical superiority. Some of it mirrors things done in secret, or gleaned from the Sansha nation themselves. Concord could easily crush the incursions if they wanted too...they simply choose not to. Nobody could ever argue (except the most deluded Amarr pigs) that 30 man fleet of Concord couldn't wipe the floor with the sansha invasion fleets. I'm sure Concord could muster a fleet of secret battleships, not to mention ultra-elite Concord logistics ships and ewar that could bring Supers to their knees.
Face it folks. Incursions are allowed to happen. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
753
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:33:00 -
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So there's no evidence, and one could equally claim "Minmatar/Sansha attempting to disrupt x." Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
189
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:36:00 -
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The Amarr would need modules capable of disabling cloaking devices in order to actually disrupt Ushra'Khan activities.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
178
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:53:00 -
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Nation colluding with the Amarrians?
That's a bold claim, and one which needs to be backed up with evidence. |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
57
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:58:00 -
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Meh! Ushra'Khan... turncoats with no honor. I used to have respect your organization but it seems obvious now that you will ally with whoever suits you at a given moment. How is the new home Red Alliance secured for you? For your sake you better hope your new masters do not retreat to Geminate in our wake. For we will pursue them wherever they run and you may find yourselves in need of new lodgings soon. |
Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
6
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:22:00 -
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Ragnar STS:
CONCORD has no real authority to intervene against Sansha's Nation incursions. You, as a capsuleer, are perfectly within your rights to take action. I don't see the problem here, other than an attempt to pass on the obligation of protecting your own people to someone else, while at the same time casting rather dubious aspersions at your enemies.
Please correct me if this is wrong. |
Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
19
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:33:00 -
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Calfis wrote:Meh! Ushra'Khan... turncoats with no honor.
Nay.... This is far from the truth.
We once counted Against All Authorities as friends, brothers in Arms even. That day ended when the old leadership disappeared and your new leaders started charging us for helping you and thinking of us as pets. We are no one's pets, even RA.
I was there during the time where -A- allowed us to stay in F4R and help them patrol Catch and Providence. I was there when we were given (not renting) systems for our active part in supporting -A- operations. I was there when -A-, Ushra'Khan and friends took Providence.
I was also there when Against All Authorities retreated and left their friends to rot. I was there when -A- was charging for systems that they could neither support nor defend. You needed us, but you were more than willing to trade in your friendship for ISK.
You are not the warriors you once were, you are not the friends we fought with. Your organization has undergone upheaval and in it's place is now an empty shell of a lost glory.
You are young. The greatest battles happened as you were learning how to navigate and fire your weapons. Glorious battles in those days and we died honourably next to some of the greatest fighters that -A- had. They have left and what they left behind is starting to rot.
You speak of honour..... You don't even know what that means. |
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Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.03.01 01:59:00 -
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These are always fun topics...
I sometimes wonder if some capsuleers have somehow programmed their implants to be unable to process their own speech or writing. It certainly would help explain why so many can come to the perfectly sound and logical conclusions that they do.
I'm not a psychologist by any measure, but I can't help but feel like pilot Ragnar might be suffering from some sort of persecution complex. There have been 5 incursions in my current home constellation in the past few months, so either Nation is specifically targetting me and I should be making fantastical claims across the IGS.... or it was all just coincidental. |
Graelyn
Amarrian Retribution
219
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Posted - 2012.03.01 06:08:00 -
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Gosh, the Ushra-Khan sure sound threatening nowadays, what with a whole thread of whining about other people and how sneaky they probably are.
Fire a shot already. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
785
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Posted - 2012.03.01 06:23:00 -
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This isn't the Ushra'Khan I remember. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Aquila Shadow
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
7
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Posted - 2012.03.01 07:29:00 -
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Does someone else want to point out that Ragnar STS is wrong in every sence of the word regarding his whole argument or shall i do it. |
Astera Zandraki
Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative Federal Consensus Outreach
2
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:28:00 -
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The Amarr Empire joined the original alliance against Sansha's Nation. It helped bring Sansha's nightmare down then and is trying to now. While there are no doubt Sansha's agents in the Empire and some of his free minded supporters may be Amarrian this is the case in all the Empires.
I am no friend of the Empire, not on any level but I am a friend of truth and frankly extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. |
Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
9
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Posted - 2012.03.01 11:24:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:This isn't the Ushra'Khan I remember. This is not the Andreus Ixiris I used to know. The previous one had a sense of humor.
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Aodha Khan
Deviance Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.01 12:07:00 -
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Lay of the drugs if you truly believe this nonsense. |
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
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Posted - 2012.03.01 12:50:00 -
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Keep the faith Raggy. Don't fret the haters.
Aodha Khan wrote:Lay of the drugs if you truly believe this nonsense.
I haven't been high in weeks, yet this all still makes perfect sense to me. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Jamyl herself secretly throwin a big kinky toaster orgy. Bunch of horny robot people gettin all funky in the palace.
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Ragnar STS
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
28
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Posted - 2012.03.01 15:30:00 -
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Well then...while I am obviously no fan of the royals...I might actually buy video of this event. Much better than the lame propoganda that is usually published by the Amarr governement. Let me know when I can view it on eve-tube.
In the mean time, the Ushra'Khan are crushing the incursion, and all slave whoring capsuleers that are drawn to the area and the riches involved. We aren't here for the money, we just want to free slaves where we can, or destroy the functionality of those that oppress them.
Amarr pigs that have been brainwashed from birth always demand proof of claims. They think we can get behind the scenes video from inside station conference rooms or inside the enemy's bridge. That obviously can't be done. What can be done is put two and two together. Concord captains listen to their Amarr overlords in a secret base. Amarr must be in control of secret stuff. Ushra moves to Geminate for training, instant incursion. Somebody must have told the sansha forces we were here...dirty amarr pigs.
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Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
57
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Posted - 2012.03.01 15:39:00 -
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Thorvik wrote: Nay.... This is far from the truth.
We once counted Against All Authorities as friends, brothers in Arms even. That day ended when the old leadership disappeared and your new leaders started charging us for helping you and thinking of us as pets. We are no one's pets, even RA.
Your participation levels had fallen drastically to the point where your numbers were no longer making a tangible contribution to our fleets.
Thorvik wrote: I was there during the time where -A- allowed us to stay in F4R and help them patrol Catch and Providence. I was there when we were given (not renting) systems for our active part in supporting -A- operations. I was there when -A-, Ushra'Khan and friends took Providence.
Hence where my previous respect for you was derived...
Thorvik wrote: I was also there when Against All Authorities retreated and left their friends to rot. I was there when -A- was charging for systems that they could neither support nor defend. You needed us, but you were more than willing to trade in your friendship for ISK.
Orders were given to Against ALL Authorities and all good allies to redeploy to and continue the fight from the Stain Region, living out of Sansha space was "rough" but there were plenty of good friends willing to follow us through the rough times. Ushra'Khan was not one of them, instead you made a back door deal with Red Alliance to hold on to the space we had granted you in Omist. Instead of aid in the defense of Omist you shot at its defenders, had you simply left the coalition it would have been a different story, instead you sold your loyalty to whomever seemed to be winning at the time. You lost anyway when the brunt of our counter-offensive hit that region, a poor strategic choice indeed.
Thorvik wrote: You are not the warriors you once were, you are not the friends we fought with. Your organization has undergone upheaval and in it's place is now an empty shell of a lost glory.
You are young. The greatest battles happened as you were learning how to navigate and fire your weapons. Glorious battles in those days and we died honourably next to some of the greatest fighters that -A- had. They have left and what they left behind is starting to rot.
You speak of honour..... You don't even know what that means.
Its amazing how empty shells can come back and blast you out of the sky. For an empty shell of an alliance we are doing quite well wouldn't you say so? Would you ask your new allies why they flee from an empty shell of an alliance? Why they refuse to give battle without the aid of mercenaries? Why said mercenaries lost so many super capital hulls recently to our shell fleets?
Quite the contrary, the greatest battles are now and you and all those who have chosen to leave will be missing out on all the new glory. Keep nursing at the glories of days past, they will not be realized for Ushra'Khan again.
As for honor, my old organization left the Southern Coalition but instead of backstabbing friends they transferred all their holdings to .-A-. and left as friends. I left said organization to join .-A-. and continue fighting our hated enemies. Don't you tell me what honor is, I have a better understanding of it than you. |
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Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:28:00 -
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Ragnar STS wrote:Well then...while I am obviously no fan of the royals...
Ushra moves to Geminate for training, instant incursion. Somebody must have told the sansha forces we were here...dirty amarr pigs.
There we go, cut to the important parts. Based on your hatred for the Empire you see a connection that more than likely isn't there. Futher, isn't it more likely that the "sudden incursion on our new training area" implies you have a traitor working with Nation inside U'K.
It's certainly more plausible than Imperial forces not only watching your every move in intimate detail but also passing along the information to a third party that does indeed launch attacks within Imperial space. |
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
113
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:48:00 -
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Calfis wrote: Orders were given to Against ALL Authorities and all good allies to redeploy to and continue the fight from the Stain Region, living out of Sansha space was "rough" but there were plenty of good friends willing to follow us through the rough times. Ushra'Khan was not one of them, instead you made a back door deal with Red Alliance to hold on to the space we had granted you in Omist. Instead of aid in the defense of Omist you shot at its defenders, had you simply left the coalition it would have been a different story, instead you sold your loyalty to whomever seemed to be winning at the time. You lost anyway when the brunt of our counter-offensive hit that region, a poor strategic choice indeed.
After being reset without warning, repeatedly, by -A- after the fall of the Provi NIP, both U'K and -A- understood any future cooperation would merely be relationships of finance and convenience. I'm not quite sure why you keep forgetting that.
Now do you really want to get me started on this whole topic? I know sekrits that your people do not want revealed. I fancy myself an honorable guy, so I'll keep them to myself until you crackers annoy me enough.
Now maybe we should get back on topic. The one where Jamyl fornicates with a household appliance. |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
57
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Posted - 2012.03.01 20:13:00 -
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Kazzzi wrote: After being reset without warning, repeatedly, by -A- after the fall of the Provi NIP, both U'K and -A- understood any future cooperation would merely be relationships of finance and convenience. I'm not quite sure why you keep forgetting that.
A reset is hardly the same as consorting with the enemy, note that 0 standing is not the same as -5.0 standing. Flipping on the dime based on mere convenience was not something I expected of Ushra'Khan. I held it as an organization in much higher regard than the mere serfs in "Citizen" alliances that populate the sector, perhaps that was a mistake on my part.
I flew alongside a few U'K pilots while I was a member of Dirt Nap Squad, they seemed like good people so to find them suddenly on the other side firing at me felt a bit like a betrayal. Dirt Nap reset with .-A-. mutually recently, but they didn't come right back and shoot at the southern coalition the next day. There was a proper and respectable way to exit and Dirt Nap took that route without burning any bridges, U'K all but welcomed our enemies into Omist and helped them secure it. The very same enemies we have been fighting for months, you switched sides at a crucial time when the alliance holding the area was disbanded. How is one to interpret this as anything other than dishonorable and malicious?
Kazzzi wrote: Now do you really want to get me started on this whole topic? I know sekrits that your people do not want revealed. I fancy myself an honorable guy, so I'll keep them to myself until you crackers annoy me enough.
I merely felt that U'K was misrepresenting itself and wanted to point that out. If you have a problem with that then thats tough. I don't really care what you think you know to be honest. But U'K's "training camps" in Geminate certainly have a background thats worth mentioning here.
Kazzzi wrote:Now maybe we should get back on topic. The one where Jamyl fornicates with a household appliance.
I would like to see this |
Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
174
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Posted - 2012.03.01 22:37:00 -
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Calfis wrote:Meh! Ushra'Khan... turncoats with no honor. I used to have respect your organization but it seems obvious now that you will ally with whoever suits you at a given moment.
Calfis wrote:Thorvik wrote: Nay.... This is far from the truth.
We once counted Against All Authorities as friends, brothers in Arms even. That day ended when the old leadership disappeared and your new leaders started charging us for helping you and thinking of us as pets. We are no one's pets, even RA.
Your participation levels had fallen drastically to the point where your numbers were no longer making a tangible contribution to our fleets.
So as our usefulness to you as allies waned, you came to see us as mere renters and attempted to charge us as such? Your own sense of loyalty was fleeting. I recall within a handful of months of our withdrawal from Providence your own alliance was on hand to endorse the ascension CVA's new executor as they began to return to Providence. We had fought them together but as we fell on a hard time you wasted none in switching your support to the side that best favoured your own ambitions.
Calfis wrote:Orders were given to Against ALL Authorities and all good allies to redeploy to and continue the fight from the Stain Region, living out of Sansha space was "rough" but there were plenty of good friends willing to follow us through the rough times. Ushra'Khan was not one of them, instead you made a back door deal with Red Alliance to hold on to the space we had granted you in Omist. Instead of aid in the defense of Omist you shot at its defenders, had you simply left the coalition it would have been a different story, instead you sold your loyalty to whomever seemed to be winning at the time. You lost anyway when the brunt of our counter-offensive hit that region, a poor strategic choice indeed.
Yes, orders. There was little respect to be found in that rekindled relationship but a strong sense of empowerment on your part. We moved to Omist as guests of Imperial 0rder, and remained loyal to them until the day their alliance was disbanded from within. Omist fell in one night there was no attempt made to retake it for months afterwards. We were commanded to Stain by a distant and absentee voice that had shown little effort to wage its own war in some time. The war for us was already over with the bulk of our ships trapped inside now hostile stations and our pilots deep inside hostile space without support.
Our loyalty then was to Imperial 0rder, and they no longer existed. We made a new choice, and chose with the side that had not chosen to back Amarrian interests. http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/ |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.03.01 23:37:00 -
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Without wanting to wade into the waters of inter-alliance politics or internal alliance issues, this thread seems to be more about those matters rather than the actual topic brought up. N'maro Makari Special Investigative Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Ragnar STS
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
29
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Posted - 2012.03.02 01:23:00 -
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Aye. We are off topic. You can blame this douchebag:
Calfis wrote:Meh! Ushra'Khan... turncoats with no honor. I used to have respect your organization but it seems obvious now that you will ally with whoever suits you at a given moment. How is the new home Red Alliance secured for you? For your sake you better hope your new masters do not retreat to Geminate in our wake. For we will pursue them wherever they run and you may find yourselves in need of new lodgings soon.
Seems AAA can't manage to honorably present themselves, or properly create their own topics with the [TROLL] tag.
That said...
I wonder if there is any kind of Terran research going on to recreate that super weapon. As concord is clearly not interested in using their technological advantage against the Sansha...maybe there are secret groups working on that magic bouncing blue ball of death.
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Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
113
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Posted - 2012.03.02 12:47:00 -
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Calfis wrote:I don't really care what you think you know
I know all about your fedo felching fetish and I have amateur video to prove it.
Would anyone like to see it? |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
58
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Posted - 2012.03.02 15:44:00 -
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Ragnar STS wrote:Aye. We are off topic. You can blame this douchebag: Calfis wrote:Meh! Ushra'Khan... turncoats with no honor. I used to have respect your organization but it seems obvious now that you will ally with whoever suits you at a given moment. How is the new home Red Alliance secured for you? For your sake you better hope your new masters do not retreat to Geminate in our wake. For we will pursue them wherever they run and you may find yourselves in need of new lodgings soon. Seems AAA can't manage to honorably present themselves, or properly create their own topics with the [TROLL] tag. That said... I wonder if there is any kind of Terran research going on to recreate that super weapon. As concord is clearly not interested in using their technological advantage against the Sansha...maybe there are secret groups working on that magic bouncing blue ball of death.
See, if you all simply accepted my assessment of U'K we could have stayed on topic. So really the blame can be spread around |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
58
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Posted - 2012.03.02 16:32:00 -
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Well, since you chose to give points I might as well address them.
Ugleb wrote: So as our usefulness to you as allies waned, you came to see us as mere renters and attempted to charge us as such? Your own sense of loyalty was fleeting. I recall within a handful of months of our withdrawal from Providence your own alliance was on hand to endorse the ascension CVA's new executor as they began to return to Providence. We had fought them together but as we fell on a hard time you wasted none in switching your support to the side that best favoured your own ambitions.
This is because we severely overestimated U'K's capability to hold Providence as CVA had held it for years. .-A-. needed a relatively stable buffer in Providence and U'K failed to rally the necessary leadership to maintain stability among the new alliances in the region. Make no mistake we were not there to free Providence from the grip of the Amarr Empire, that was just a nicety. Providence was burned because CVA struck at .-A-. and needed to be duly put back in their place in the intergalactic pecking order. No one was surprised by this and the great battles you all speak of were nothing more than turkey shoots. CVA offered no real challenge after the fall of D-GTMI.
Ugleb wrote: Yes, orders. There was little respect to be found in that rekindled relationship but a strong sense of empowerment on your part. We moved to Omist as guests of Imperial 0rder, and remained loyal to them until the day their alliance was disbanded from within. Omist fell in one night there was no attempt made to retake it for months afterwards. We were commanded to Stain by a distant and absentee voice that had shown little effort to wage its own war in some time. The war for us was already over with the bulk of our ships trapped inside now hostile stations and our pilots deep inside hostile space without support.
Our loyalty then was to Imperial 0rder, and they no longer existed. We made a new choice, and chose with the side that had not chosen to back Amarrian interests.
This is has always been how .-A-. has operated I'm unsure why this was a surprise to your leadership. Who do you think granted Omist to Imperial 0rder? The defense of Omist was the responsibility of I0 and its guests, it is not .-A-. policy to hold vast stretches of space which is why regions are given to over to alliances that are seen as capable. When I0 was disbanded through an act of treachery there were attempts by the old leadership to reform the remnants and fight on (see Checkmate.), they certainly did not expect their guests to turn on them.
As for your charge that we did not do anything about Omist, you are wrong and you were impatient. Had you have followed us to our rallying point in Stain you would have comfortable access to all of your assets today. As you well know, shortly after regrouping we launched a sweeping offensive against multiple regions with the help of the good allies that had stuck by us through the rough times. The reconquest of Omist (which your organization was now fighting against) was completed largely by our good friends in Nulli Secunda and Red.Overlord as we simultaneously cut across Tenerifis. A few months of patience would have done U'K some good, we had a plan and a timetable for completing it.
As for Imperial 0rder, check the alliance history of The Dark Tribe, contrary to what is believed here .-A-. does not just abandon good allies. |
StarCasher
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
1
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:01:00 -
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Calfis wrote:Well, since you chose to give points I might as well address them. Ugleb wrote: So as our usefulness to you as allies waned, you came to see us as mere renters and attempted to charge us as such? Your own sense of loyalty was fleeting. I recall within a handful of months of our withdrawal from Providence your own alliance was on hand to endorse the ascension CVA's new executor as they began to return to Providence. We had fought them together but as we fell on a hard time you wasted none in switching your support to the side that best favoured your own ambitions.
This is because we severely overestimated U'K's capability to hold Providence as CVA had held it for years. .-A-. needed a relatively stable buffer in Providence and U'K failed to rally the necessary leadership to maintain stability among the new alliances in the region.
What a pile of crap! UK was more than capable of holding Providence, however at the time you are talking about UK had every corp kicked and was effectively disbanded from within by a traitor working on Hydra's payroll. This turned all our defences against us over night with all pilots unable to redock in the station holding our combat assets. Every tower turned red to us and our enemys were now using our own jump bridges to cut us off at every turn. Even normal methods of planning had to change as our enemys could now read our every move before we did it. At the same time Hydra and friends rolled into provi and started turning UK defenses over to CVA. Where were -A-? Totally unwilling to lend any kind of support forcing many of our corps to join friendly alliances while we regrouped as best we could. This would kill most alliances but the heart of the Martari beats strong and it beats strongest in Ushra'Khan, our light may flicker but it will never go out! |
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