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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2008.05.09 06:38:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Rooker
Originally by: Daerkannon Shimmerscale
So you think the CVA and allies should be enforcing the EULA now?
Of course not. However, I do wish that they would stop assisting those who do break the EULA.
That would be exactly what I meant with my post. Actually enforcing the EULA feels silly. But killing those that try to clear up space from macroers is, in effect, protecting the macroers, thus the EULA breakers.
Originally by: "Cris Dono"
That ofc isn't the best thing when a punisher obviously fitted with an Acme Infini-cap-o-matic is still dishing out hurt like there was no tomorrow :(
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CoLe Blackblood
Transnational Speedway League
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:10:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Udas Toiracsi
Props to you Cole you are a sneaky bugger. I've almost had you a few times and you keep getting away. :)
I agree with you that mamet is bad.. When i watch the station from your 325km safe spot i see 4-5 NPC corp haulers undock at once using macro software so you aren't wrong. Keep killing them and I'll keep laughing. Its fun to login and see 3-4 new corpses each day on scanner.
However since you shot up a comple IACers - I'll have to keep gunning for you even tho I applaud your macro killing efforts. Maybe one day you'll slip up and I'll manage to take down your crusader or nanophoon... I'll promise I'll keep tryin! o7
Yes that was a fun little showdown we had. Rohk Vs Phoon. I will continue to be sneaky, and continue to kill as long as I am able.
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Udas Toiracsi
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Posted - 2008.05.09 18:41:00 -
[63]
Yeah.. The Rokh isnt really an optimal ship to get you with.. its just what i was in at the time :)
We had a PERFECT trap setup for you one day with a ratter and my falcon - with 2 BSs on standby.. problem is the ratter was out of position so when i warped in I bounced off a frickin asteroid and decloaked. You started locking me so I had to ECM you waaay out of position at 70km.
If i had managed to jump you within webber/jam range it would have been a different outcome. I've actually been within 20-30km of you a few times cloaked but somehow you always manage to warp out before I can spring my trap.
I'm taking a break from the mamet cespool for awhile so have at em!
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Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.09 19:28:00 -
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I can't help but "LOL" when CVA and their pets roleplay some justification of their negative sec statuses, but let the farmers pass. They're a bunch of blobby roleplayers who don't care to fight fairly and it's really not worth the effort unless you can out blob them. If you just want to kill farmers come to metropolis/heimatar.
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Elseix
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Posted - 2008.05.09 20:04:00 -
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I've always been a bit confused about why CVA doesn't just outlaw noob corps from the area & post warnings to that effect. Then the super super obvious macro corps could be set red or just their names posted as fair game in those systems so groups who want to kill them could have at it.
Above my pay grade and all but I could sure go for being able to dispose of obvious noob corp spies in Providence.
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CoLe Blackblood
Transnational Speedway League
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Posted - 2008.05.09 21:34:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Udas Toiracsi
Yeah.. The Rokh isnt really an optimal ship to get you with.. its just what i was in at the time :)
We had a PERFECT trap setup for you one day with a ratter and my falcon - with 2 BSs on standby.. problem is the ratter was out of position so when i warped in I bounced off a frickin asteroid and decloaked. You started locking me so I had to ECM you waaay out of position at 70km.
If i had managed to jump you within webber/jam range it would have been a different outcome. I've actually been within 20-30km of you a few times cloaked but somehow you always manage to warp out before I can spring my trap.
I'm taking a break from the mamet cespool for awhile so have at em!
Wow, I had a feeling it was a trap, when I saw you decloak i hit the gas. You got within 20km of me whilst cloaked? That is scary, I remember being on the punishing end when in MDK its not a pretty sight.
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Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.10 03:46:00 -
[67]
Originally by: CoLe Blackblood
Lobster! o7
Long time no see ;)
If you're srs about the whole anti-farmer thing drop by "chaining farmers" in game for some fun pewpewing around ingunn, or just to chat 
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Pegleg Punk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.05.10 06:34:00 -
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I enjoyed this thread. There were so many reversal of roles, I forgot which hand was left!
We have a scalliwag fight for ethics- and we have anti-scalliwags dismiss ethics, looking the other way!
Mr Blackblood I applaud you for doing the Lord's work. Whether your lord is my lord, no lord or Traci Lords (lets all bow our heads in a moment of reverant silence) I am positive that we would both agree to "kill them all and let God sort em out".
I also want to tip my hat to MASTER SMAMMAH for his wonderful display of roleplay in this thread! Arepee is not my brand of...coffee shall we say, I never desparage those called to this depraved form of self expression. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Originally by: Naga Saddow
[16:38:06] "i must admit for an ahole ur pretty funny"
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Niding
Polaris Project
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.10 11:27:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Niding on 10/05/2008 11:28:53
Just to add to what Garreck said;
Before I joined CVA I was part of an anti macro channel in empire/low sec, and flew around looking for them etc.
Killed a few, but didnt seem to make much of a dent.
Then I joined CVA, and they were as concerned with the problem as everyone else.
We tried to curb the macro problem by shooting them and allow our citizens to do the same.
Result:
People on several gates, shooting anything resembling a hauler, macro or not.
Not before long, legit neutrals were shooting eachother and quarrels ensued.
Eventually we had to face up to the fact that running NRDS and allowing free for all shooting of neutral haulers would eventually spiral out of control, so we prohibited it.
If you argue that NRDS has the negative bieffect of a increased macrotraffic, I wont argue against it, because its true.
On the flipside, NRDS also increases the volume of legit neutral traffic and giving ppl that might not have ventured into low sec/0.0 a taste of such without having to be overly worried about being blown up.
NBSI has the effect of keeping macro population down, no argument there, but it also keeps legit neutral traffic volume down.
Both policies has its pros and cons. CVA has chosen NRDS, and to let CCP handle the negative consequences of that/macros.
Its not a perfect world/solution, but the best we can do.
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CoLe Blackblood
Transnational Speedway League
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Posted - 2008.05.11 00:00:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Pegleg Punk
I enjoyed this thread. There were so many reversal of roles, I forgot which hand was left!
We have a scalliwag fight for ethics- and we have anti-scalliwags dismiss ethics, looking the other way!
Mr Blackblood I applaud you for doing the Lord's work. Whether your lord is my lord, no lord or Traci Lords (lets all bow our heads in a moment of reverant silence) I am positive that we would both agree to "kill them all and let God sort em out".
I also want to tip my hat to MASTER SMAMMAH for his wonderful display of roleplay in this thread! Arepee is not my brand of...coffee shall we say, I never desparage those called to this depraved form of self expression. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Thanks Pegleg, Jesus built my Hot Rod and He thanks you. I like the Arepee. Mamet is quite a hotbed for it, good guys bad guys and the farmers that need liberation from their sweatsoaked pods.
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Pegleg Punk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.05.11 03:52:00 -
[71]
Always down for a little Ministry.
Originally by: Naga Saddow
[16:38:06] "i must admit for an ahole ur pretty funny"
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warpod
Amarr
People Desintegration Project
Death or Glory
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Posted - 2008.05.11 18:19:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Niding
Edited by: Niding on 10/05/2008 11:28:53
NRDS with open season on macroers just wont work.
Just make a list of macroers and allow shoot ONLY them. It is not so diffucult to make such list (I know every macroer there)
Set negative standing to those people and ask other corporations do the same.
Repeat procedure in 1-2 months.
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Captain Star
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:30:00 -
[73]
Asked this in another thread, but didn't get much response (probably because it was off topic and therefore my fault), but anyways...
How do I shoot macro haulers in Mamet? I tried today and got wasted by a space station :(
Sorry for the noobie question.
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Suboran
Gallente
Victory Not Vengeance
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:09:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Captain Star
Asked this in another thread, but didn't get much response (probably because it was off topic and therefore my fault), but anyways...
How do I shoot macro haulers in Mamet? I tried today and got wasted by a space station :(
Sorry for the noobie question.
you need to fly a stronger ship, something like a well tanked cruiser of battlecruiser
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Captain Star
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:24:00 -
[75]
So what you are saying is that its invertable that I take fire from a station? There is no other way of doing it? Long range sniping or something?
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Rutefly
Amarr
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:18:00 -
[76]
Mamet used to be cool. A freehaven for low sec mining, mish, rat hunting for those who werent rdy for big 0.0 alliancing.
Pvp was avail. if you wanted to join local gangs. Pirates etc. and even real pew pewers dropped by for a challenge that mostly went on fair terms.
Dunno what went wrong. Turned into a farm pit of the worst sort. No unity, community etc.
Everyone shooting at everyone for cheap kills. Just another low sec sys now. Bomb the **** out of them!
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:22:00 -
[77]
thats about it, if u can get industrial supplies in its a great system for selling though same as ami
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.05.14 15:52:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Garreck
The biproduct of people who pirate to play the game is potential loss of CCP customers (indeed there are pirates in this very forum who are proud of the prospect of forcing players away from the game. Referrence any "why I play the game" type thread.)
If the game wasn't such a lagfest there may be an argument for that, but CCP can't seem to fix the lag so the second next best thing is driving people out of game.
And frankly, people leaving the game because of piracy are pussies...
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CoLe Blackblood
Transnational Speedway League
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:59:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Captain Star
Asked this in another thread, but didn't get much response (probably because it was off topic and therefore my fault), but anyways...
How do I shoot macro haulers in Mamet? I tried today and got wasted by a space station :(
Sorry for the noobie question.
Yes, a bigger ship that can tank the sentries. HIC, BC Battleship or Command ship. If you can Snipe outside of 150k that can work too. MAybe a friend to bump and you sniping? The only places the macros go are to stations and gates, so thats where you need to get them.
Be prepared to be shot at by the local nonmacroers, but that always makes for fun and goodness!
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.14 19:51:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
And frankly, people leaving the game because of piracy are pussies...
So are folks who think CVA profits from macroers just because we hunt pirates. That's backwards in every sense: The macroers profit because CVA hunts pirates. The volume of macroers is simply a side-effect of our playstyle. It sucks, but it is what it is.
If CVA targetted macroers, we wouldn't be talking about how CVA supports macroers; we'd be talking about how CVA are hypocrites about hunting pirates, about defending neutrals, and all that other good stuff that CVA tends to be quite vocal about.
Someone's going to complain. I suppose we'd rather someone complain because they don't like our style than complain because we are hypocrites.
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CoLe Blackblood
Transnational Speedway League
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Posted - 2008.05.14 21:33:00 -
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One way to look at it:
In RL the macroers could be working in a sweatshop, or part of some low level crime syndicate(bear with me)
If they are workers in a sweatshop, wouldnt that make their boss a bad guy? The boss never shows his face so killing the macroers hurts him at the knees. Take this into a RP perspective and these macroers become people working against their will and the only way to shut the business down is to kill their boss's profits. You can twist it however you like, in the end they explode, just like anybody else.
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Redglare's Demise
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.05.14 22:05:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Garreck
The macroers profit because CVA hunts pirates.
So basically, you are more concerned with your RP ideals than the well being of Eve.
From the RMT dev blog:
Quote:
There are also the macro miners and mission runners, complex farmers and assorted rabble of this sort that causes general nuisance and keeps the regular players from being able to enjoy EVE as they would like. Price of minerals, ore, ice, implants and so on is driven down by this kind of activity and thus ways for normal players to make ISK are effectively ruined.
So you can either directly aid the macros, save their ships, and allow them to continue to ruin the game for normal players, OR you could actually do everyone a great service, by destroying them. You choose the first option to avoid being called hypocrites? Only an idiot would call you a hypocrite for destroying macros.
Bah, no sense in trying to understand your logic.
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Ambtuehr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 22:19:00 -
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The real issue is, none of these "crusaders for justice" are actually killing 100% macro miners. They kill some neutrals, alts, friends or allies of CVA and the other Providence holders. Someone gives their name out in Citadel and they get hunted down.
Macro farmers aren't in the intel channel calling out targets in Mamet, its just not happening. But you guys are shooting anything that moves and any target you can get your hands on. But this is CVA's fault?
If I was CVA I would have dissallowed npc corps in Providence, but I'm not CVA & they've lived there much longer then I have. This whole thread is a poorly disguised whine that another bunch of pirates can't get their easy kill fix quite as easily.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.14 22:25:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Garreck on 14/05/2008 22:26:03
Originally by: Redglare's Demise
So basically, you are more concerned with your RP ideals than the well being of Eve.
Yes. As a paying customer, my approach to Eve is appropriately selfish. I play to have fun in a fictional world, not play referee. The well being of Eve is CCP's responsibility as far as I'm concerned.
Interestingly enough, if macro-hunters come to lower Domain to exclusively kill macroers...then CVA will never hear about it. The issue is that full-out pirates tend to take up this task, and they shoot anything and anyone. And then CVA shows up based on reports in an intel channel. Then the pirate(s) is/are dispached or chased off. Then the pirate(s) in question run(s) to the forums and cries that CVA is protecting macroers.
There's not really much logic to understand, beyond "it's not our responsibility to police the game." We choose not to hunt macroers. Folks are welcome to choose to dislike us for that, because, as I've already implied, folks are gonna choose to dislike us for one reason or another...particularly pirates.
*edit*
Looks like Ambtuehr beat me to my main point...
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.14 22:52:00 -
[85]
Were cva/friends to set noobcorps red, then you would both make life harder for the noob corp macroers, and encourage everyone to be in a corporation, which makes people who in your eyes (RP-wise) 'legitimately' hunt macroers by war-deccing them have a much more atainable goal.
CVA obviously enjoys dropping 20 man gangs on solo/small gang pirates, though. 
One, I wish CCP would put all of 2 hours of thought into fixing this so lowsec hauling missions weren't so fukken imbalanced. It's really not that hard to discourage it, but CCP's staff is obviously both lazy and incompetent.
And two, CVA could stop complaining that "they can't do anything about the macroers without giving up their RP angle." I'm sorry but that's not the case.
also, lol at the paxton smack. 
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 02:14:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Kery Syander
CVA could stop complaining...
Wow.
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