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CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:46:00 - [1] It is time for all you bloodthirsty lot to come to Mamet and shut it down. It is teaming with mindless isk-farmers, who are protected by CVA and others that fly under the Anti-Pirate flag. One freedom fighter is not enough to liberate these poor farmers from the clutches of their feudal boss, and CVA just reeks of corruption when I see 4 mammoths undock around the blob waiting to camp me into a station. I need more help to clean up this system. Eve-mails of warning are welcome! I won't gang you, but I will respect your space if you respect mine. I say make these slavelords pay. There's no money involved just lots and lots of hauler kills...I've gotten close to 100 in the past few weeks. Bit of Intel: They use moon 10 Imperial Arms Station 75%. Other 25% they are in moon 7 station. CVA and others mostly frequent Zoar and Sons Station. Most are in mammoths and bestowers(which pop real fast). 50% are stabbed. Haulers come through Biphi quite regularly as well as Valmu. Both are traffic zones to highsec and are quite easy to camp. Good luck, I hope to see a few more flashies in there besides me. Its fun being chased by gobs of blobs and baitships and whatnot, but its time to put the hurt on.
Daerkannon Shimmerscale Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.04.22 17:52:00 - [2] So that's what you've been doing for the last couple of weeks? Popping macro haulers? Talk about a waste of effort. --- Honest officer, the dwarf was on fire when I got here! Can't find a mechanical engineering agent? Need a non-Caldari Navy agent? http://www.eve-agents.com/ for all your agent needs!
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 17:54:00 - [3] why kill chinese ppls what they do 2 u r u aware of fact that they need feed families? if u kill em their children etc. die from starvation ur a murderer i guess goverment thank u to control population tho , IMO ________________________________________________ MY BIG BROTHER BEING JESUS ******* CHRIST IN HIS BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.04.22 17:56:00 - [4] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 22/04/2008 17:56:17 Originally by: El'Tar why kill chinese ppls what they do 2 u r u aware of fact that they need feed families? if u kill em their children etc. die from starvation ur a murderer i guess goverment thank u to control population tho , IMO Them um. Maybe they should be working on a rice field or something instead of farming MMO gold. At least you can eat rice.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 17:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 22/04/2008 17:56:17 Originally by: El'Tar why kill chinese ppls what they do 2 u r u aware of fact that they need feed families? if u kill em their children etc. die from starvation ur a murderer i guess goverment thank u to control population tho , IMO Them um. Maybe they should be working on a rice field or something instead of farming MMO gold. At least you can eat rice. what if i dont wanna farm rice huh did u consider that u dumb person? GO BACK TO WOW
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:00:00 - [6] Originally by: El'Tar what if i dont wanna farm rice huh did u consider that u dumb person? GO BACK TO WOW Well, I don't want chinese farmers in my games. Can't always get what you want, can you?
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: El'Tar what if i dont wanna farm rice huh did u consider that u dumb person? GO BACK TO WOW Well, I don't want chinese farmers in my games. Can't always get what you want, can you? but ur a spoilt brat IMO chinese farmers rnt spopilt. nd they do this for livin do u play eve 4 livin? no u not. so dont talk about something you clueless at IMO
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:03:00 - [8] Originally by: El'Tar but ur a spoilt brat IMO chinese farmers rnt spopilt. nd they do this for livin do u play eve 4 livin? no u not. so dont talk about something you clueless at IMO Why would I play it for a living? I'm pretty sure that's an EULA violation, making money off someone else's game.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: El'Tar but ur a spoilt brat IMO chinese farmers rnt spopilt. nd they do this for livin do u play eve 4 livin? no u not. so dont talk about something you clueless at IMO Why would I play it for a living? I'm pretty sure that's an EULA violation, making money off someone else's game. ye but ccp not have to worry about starvin do tey? i win argument hands down
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:06:00 - [10] Originally by: El'Tar ye but ccp not have to worry about starvin do tey? I take it you've never had the shark.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: El'Tar ye but ccp not have to worry about starvin do tey? I take it you've never had the shark. dnt bull**** anyway its not like chinese peoples makes game bad, since u can purchase isk for cheap etc.
Mini Instructorcon Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:07:00 - [12] el'tar is right !!!! HA !!!!
Lord Rue Gallente GenX Societies Inc. Wrath.	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:10:00 - [13] You fail at trolling. Real Chinese people trying to type in English don't misspell words, they just mix up the grammar rules which suck compared to most languages.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord Rue You fail at trolling. Real Chinese people trying to type in English don't misspell words, they just mix up the grammar rules which suck compared to most languages. when did i sai i was chinese?
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Lord Rue You fail at trolling. Real Chinese people trying to type in English don't misspell words, they just mix up the grammar rules which suck compared to most languages. Oh gods I laughed my **** off ITT. El'Tar, you've been found out.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:13:00 - [16] I ninja'd so much salvage from the Chinese guys in Lustrevik that they finally started to open private convo's with me. Their English was bad, but I speak and write some Chinese. It was an interesting convo though I'm not sure I quite understood what they were saying. I just said something about how I was 'sightseeing' in their missions and said goodbye before they typed too many more characters I couldn't read.
Radcjk Caldari Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:20:00 - [17] The farmers in the low sec my alliance pirates started talking to us one day. It was pretty disconcerting. The macros just started speaking up and there were about five or six of them all told. We almost felt bad about shooting them. Almost. It wore off. It was universally decided we didn't like such an emotion and so guilt was voted out and the guns started chattering again. Later one mentioned something about their negotiator getting fired or something. I guess its back to the rice paddy.
Kage Toshimado Kage Clan	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:27:00 - [18] Don't shoot the farmers. Didn't you know... "They love you"
KapnKaboom School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:04:00 - [19] Originally by: El'Tar why kill chinese ppls what they do 2 u r u aware of fact that they need feed families? if u kill em their children etc. die from starvation ur a murderer i guess goverment thank u to control population tho , IMO To be honest, the thought that my efforts would cause some isk farmer and their children to starve to death gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Oh how I wish such could be true.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:07:00 - [20] Originally by: KapnKaboom Originally by: El'Tar why kill chinese ppls what they do 2 u r u aware of fact that they need feed families? if u kill em their children etc. die from starvation ur a murderer i guess goverment thank u to control population tho , IMO To be honest, the thought that my efforts would cause some isk farmer and their children to starve to death gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Oh how I wish such could be true. thats HORRIBLE howd u like it if i came 2 ur haws and eated ur cheese etc.? when i see u ingame UR GONNA DIE ________________________________________________ MY BIG BROTHER BEING JESUS ******* CHRIST IN HIS BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:15:00 - [21] Again come to Mamet, theres plenty more than farmers.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:16:00 - [22] Originally by: CoLe Blackblood Again come to Mamet, theres plenty more than farmers. griefers that has no self respect + no soul + ppls that go 2 hell?
Hellrazer Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:36:00 - [23] Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: CoLe Blackblood Again come to Mamet, theres plenty more than farmers. griefers that has no self respect + no soul + ppls that go 2 hell? Again you are present little TROLL, please have your corp war dec mine, oh yeah and bring your "Big Brother" along too I want to pop his frigate hunting Mach but please make sure he drops all the T2 cargo expanders in a station and puts some useful mods in the ship I want to sell something useful. To the OP: I feel your pain, lets kill all them CVA slaves and purify Mamet once again the Genocide must continue. H
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Hellrazer Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: CoLe Blackblood Again come to Mamet, theres plenty more than farmers. griefers that has no self respect + no soul + ppls that go 2 hell? Again you are present little TROLL, please have your corp war dec mine, oh yeah and bring your "Big Brother" along too I want to pop his frigate hunting Mach but please make sure he drops all the T2 cargo expanders in a station and puts some useful mods in the ship I want to sell something useful. To the OP: I feel your pain, lets kill all them CVA slaves and purify Mamet once again the Genocide must continue. H genos occidire shall make genocide of ur corp
Case Mass Griefers On Demand And More	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:43:00 - [25] Originally by: El'Tar im chineese farmr plz dunt keel mah haulers dey fed my family i win teh darwin award for uneducated paosts and want to apologize to evry1 teh spew i type cuz im 4 Fixed your posts El...don't worry, you can war dec me too, and I'll even make it mutual.
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:44:00 - [26] Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: CoLe Blackblood Again come to Mamet, theres plenty more than farmers. griefers that has no self respect + no soul + ppls that go 2 hell? I'm not grieving over anything. Death to the rot of Mamet!
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Case Mass Originally by: El'Tar im chineese farmr plz dunt keel mah haulers dey fed my family i win teh darwin award for uneducated paosts and want to apologize to evry1 teh spew i type cuz im 4 Fixed your posts El...don't worry, you can war dec me too, and I'll even make it mutual. i not chinse BUT i is valued custumer.
kessah The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:47:00 - [28] Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:51:00 - [29] Originally by: kessah Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Need a Thumper to avoid!
Hellrazer Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:54:00 - [30] Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: Hellrazer Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: CoLe Blackblood Again come to Mamet, theres plenty more than farmers. griefers that has no self respect + no soul + ppls that go 2 hell? Again you are present little TROLL, please have your corp war dec mine, oh yeah and bring your "Big Brother" along too I want to pop his frigate hunting Mach but please make sure he drops all the T2 cargo expanders in a station and puts some useful mods in the ship I want to sell something useful. To the OP: I feel your pain, lets kill all them CVA slaves and purify Mamet once again the Genocide must continue. H genos occidire shall make genocide of ur corp Please do TROLL, and don't forget to bring your "Big Bro" and all the faction stuff your corp owns. You might as well contract all of it to me now
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:55:00 - [31] Originally by: El'Tar entertaining trolling... Did the Black Rabbits merge with Genos? I remember ninja salvaging your gate camps in Nalvula last year with my trusty condor. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:57:00 - [32] no they not. i was kik from blackrabbits. they say something about be small child but i not sure. + y steal stuff? ________________________________________________ MY BIG BROTHER BEING JESUS ******* CHRIST IN HIS BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.04.22 20:21:00 - [33] I popped many many haulers in Mamet only thing that happens is more undock and CVA try to blob you as soon as you go crim flagged, not worth the effort really. _______________
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.22 20:51:00 - [34] omw!

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:00:00 - [35] Cleaned. Removed trolling, please don't generalise on nationalities when discussing farming.

Lord Rue Gallente GenX Societies Inc. Wrath.	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:03:00 - [36] Edited by: Lord Rue on 22/04/2008 21:09:53 lawl, Mitnall-ed. Also, I wasn't generalzing out of my arse either: I work in Vancouver B.C. with a large number of Chinese-Canadians of various levels of English proficiency, and can spot a fake with ease.
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:58:00 - [37] Originally by: Dez Affinity I popped many many haulers in Mamet only thing that happens is more undock and CVA try to blob you as soon as you go crim flagged, not worth the effort really. True but the more "We" have, how much blobbing can they do if they are getting their arses handed to them?
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.04.23 09:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Radcjk The farmers in the low sec my alliance pirates started talking to us one day. It was pretty disconcerting. The macros just started speaking up and there were about five or six of them all told. We almost felt bad about shooting them. Almost. It wore off. It was universally decided we didn't like such an emotion and so guilt was voted out and the guns started chattering again. Later one mentioned something about their negotiator getting fired or something. I guess its back to the rice paddy. Nice job guys those same farmers we decced fought back when we invaded with T1 frigs , they were using kestrels , faction frigs and drakes. Good times. Originally by: CoLe Blackblood Originally by: Dez Affinity I popped many many haulers in Mamet only thing that happens is more undock and CVA try to blob you as soon as you go crim flagged, not worth the effort really. True but the more "We" have, how much blobbing can they do if they are getting their arses handed to them? ...much more ? If we brought more numbers than their alliance fleet & other amarrian loyalist allies combined , they'd still have the coalition to defend their turf. Maybe you could convince BoB that killing farmers in Mamet is a priority. Yeah , that's going to work As long as CVA is happy with the statu quo , there is nothing we can do about it.
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.04.23 11:51:00 - [39] Edited by: CoLe Blackblood on 23/04/2008 11:51:34 Originally by: Stakhanov Edited by: Stakhanov on 23/04/2008 09:45:50 Originally by: Radcjk The farmers in the low sec my alliance pirates started talking to us one day. It was pretty disconcerting. The macros just started speaking up and there were about five or six of them all told. We almost felt bad about shooting them. Almost. It wore off. It was universally decided we didn't like such an emotion and so guilt was voted out and the guns started chattering again. Later one mentioned something about their negotiator getting fired or something. I guess its back to the rice paddy. Nice job guys those same farmers we decced fought back when we invaded with T1 frigs , they were using kestrels , faction frigs and drakes. Good times. Originally by: CoLe Blackblood Originally by: Dez Affinity I popped many many haulers in Mamet only thing that happens is more undock and CVA try to blob you as soon as you go crim flagged, not worth the effort really. True but the more "We" have, how much blobbing can they do if they are getting their arses handed to them? ...much more ? If we brought more numbers than their alliance fleet & other amarrian loyalist allies combined , they'd still have the coalition to defend their turf. Maybe you could convince BoB that killing farmers in Mamet is a priority. Yeah , that's going to work As long as CVA is happy with the statu quo , there is nothing we can do about it. And from what I've seen , RP alliances will always put their antipirate agenda before the war on ISK farmers. Spoken with the voice of true optimism, and metagaming experience.
Darth Syphils Amarr Noshikkan	Posted - 2008.04.23 15:03:00 - [40] One of the best things Tri did IMO was when the war dec'd CVA they were living out of that system and the macro hauler #'s went down by about 80%. It of course made alot of there pilots drop to -10's lol.
Irish8484 Black Lance	Posted - 2008.04.23 18:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Gneeznow omw! there goes the neighbourhood
Guilty Man	Posted - 2008.04.24 08:05:00 - [42] funny to see when after 30-40 mins killing haulers in kheram CVA and pets bring 60 man gang vs 3 pirates
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.04.25 12:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Guilty Man funny to see when after 30-40 mins killing haulers in kheram CVA and pets bring 60 man gang vs 3 pirates I hear ya brother.
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.04.25 12:12:00 - [44] Originally by: Darth Syphils One of the best things Tri did IMO was when the war dec'd CVA they were living out of that system and the macro hauler #'s went down by about 80%. It of course made alot of there pilots drop to -10's lol. <3 Tri Was in Tri when they took YAO. Some epic battles there!
Udas Toiracsi	Posted - 2008.05.07 17:15:00 - [45] Props to you Cole you are a sneaky bugger. I've almost had you a few times and you keep getting away. :) I agree with you that mamet is bad.. When i watch the station from your 325km safe spot i see 4-5 NPC corp haulers undock at once using macro software so you aren't wrong. Keep killing them and I'll keep laughing. Its fun to login and see 3-4 new corpses each day on scanner. However since you shot up a comple IACers - I'll have to keep gunning for you even tho I applaud your macro killing efforts. Maybe one day you'll slip up and I'll manage to take down your crusader or nanophoon... I'll promise I'll keep tryin! o7
MASTER SMAMMAH Caldari Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.08 03:10:00 - [46] You know, it's sad to see how bored "tough" pirates are to attack haulers. LOL. Pretty pathetic. I know miners are the bane of pvp players. The reason is because most pvp players hate mining. Myself included. But why grief them? And they are needed. But hey, we see alot of sissy pirates too scared to attack real ships can fight. So they attack easy prey. Which brings me back to my point a while back. Those pirates are cowards. I have fought pirates I can respect as good pvpers. But the ones who want to attack miners and haulers all day just to grief them just proves their cowardice. I would say to toughen up, but that would be laughable since they continue to prove their weakness.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.08 03:50:00 - [47] Originally by: MASTER SMAMMAH You know, it's sad to see how bored "tough" pirates are to attack haulers. LOL. Pretty pathetic. I know miners are the bane of pvp players. The reason is because most pvp players hate mining. Myself included. But why grief them? And they are needed. But hey, we see alot of sissy pirates too scared to attack real ships can fight. So they attack easy prey. Which brings me back to my point a while back. Those pirates are cowards. I have fought pirates I can respect as good pvpers. But the ones who want to attack miners and haulers all day just to grief them just proves their cowardice. I would say to toughen up, but that would be laughable since they continue to prove their weakness. There's a reason your alliance is terrible. Cluepon: go back and read the OP. All of it.
Lil'Bunneh FoFo	Posted - 2008.05.08 04:09:00 - [48] Edited by: Lil''Bunneh FoFo on 08/05/2008 04:09:37 .
Pans Exual Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.05.08 05:30:00 - [49] Originally by: MASTER SMAMMAH You know, it's sad to see how bored "tough" pirates are to attack haulers. LOL. Pretty pathetic. I know miners are the bane of pvp players. The reason is because most pvp players hate mining. Myself included. But why grief them? And they are needed. But hey, we see alot of sissy pirates too scared to attack real ships can fight. So they attack easy prey. Which brings me back to my point a while back. Those pirates are cowards. I have fought pirates I can respect as good pvpers. But the ones who want to attack miners and haulers all day just to grief them just proves their cowardice. I would say to toughen up, but that would be laughable since they continue to prove their weakness. Man, you're the worst poster in this thread, and that's saying something. Facepalm --- basically: "nerf rock, paper is fine" -scissors
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.08 07:12:00 - [50] Originally by: MASTER SMAMMAH You know, it's sad to see how bored "tough" pirates are to attack haulers. LOL. Pretty pathetic. I know miners are the bane of pvp players. The reason is because most pvp players hate mining. Myself included. But why grief them? And they are needed. But hey, we see alot of sissy pirates too scared to attack real ships can fight. So they attack easy prey. Which brings me back to my point a while back. Those pirates are cowards. I have fought pirates I can respect as good pvpers. But the ones who want to attack miners and haulers all day just to grief them just proves their cowardice. I would say to toughen up, but that would be laughable since they continue to prove their weakness. 128th=CEO facepalms himself... Ill have a chat with em, I think he missed the part where it was about macros... Mamet does have alot of macros flying through, but claiming CVA has anything to profit from it is ridiculous. As was said in other threads, the only reason they do not get shot up is because it's an NRDS region and to avoid people going on macro killing spree's and in the process blowing up actual players. (possible hauler alts etc) There have been proven macro corps been set red before in the area, but most of the hauler macros are in NPC corps. I think it is not the responsibility of the playerbase (or CVA for that matter) to take care of the macro problem. It's the responsibility of CCP to take care of it. Offcourse we can help them a hand and I think the most efficient way is to petition the macros.
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.08 07:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: MASTER SMAMMAH You know, it's sad to see how bored "tough" pirates are to attack haulers. LOL. Pretty pathetic. I know miners are the bane of pvp players. The reason is because most pvp players hate mining. Myself included. But why grief them? And they are needed. But hey, we see alot of sissy pirates too scared to attack real ships can fight. So they attack easy prey. Which brings me back to my point a while back. Those pirates are cowards. I have fought pirates I can respect as good pvpers. But the ones who want to attack miners and haulers all day just to grief them just proves their cowardice. I would say to toughen up, but that would be laughable since they continue to prove their weakness. There's a reason your alliance is terrible. Cluepon: go back and read the OP. All of it. Ohhh, that made you feel good didnt it you little ****? Didnt you just dramabomb out of some alliance just recently? Lemme think... ohhh, that alliance that actually gave Sylph some kudos for putting up a fight here and there when u guys failstormed Providence? Good players dont make a good team and clearly you guys are topheavy with ego.
MASTER SMAMMAH Caldari Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:27:00 - [52] I understand the issues with macrominers. Sure they suck, but the problem with going into a system and killing miners is that not all are macrominers. Sure, some are obvious. Others not as much. But killing all the miners just to kill "macro" miners is a smokescreen for some weak "pirate" to get help because he sucks so bad he can't do it himself. And because he likes to grief real miners. I laugh because whenever someone says "macro miner" people start freaking out and kill tham all. Yes, I agree with the OP on the problem with macro mining. Yes, it is wrong. But by his standards who isn't one?
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:51:00 - [53] I'm an avid miner, and i support totally anything to do with blasting the crap out of macro miners. I get better money for my services. Carry on ya scurvy spacedawgs! _ EVE RELATED CONTENT
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:37:00 - [54] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Ohhh, that made you feel good didnt it you little ****? Didnt you just dramabomb out of some alliance just recently? Lemme think... ohhh, that alliance that actually gave Sylph some kudos for putting up a fight here and there when u guys failstormed Providence? Good players dont make a good team and clearly you guys are topheavy with ego. Troll post is troll.
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:48:00 - [55] Originally by: MASTER SMAMMAH blah blah blah The OP didn't mention miners, macro or otherwise. He's talking about the noobcorp characters hauling courier mission crap all day long to farm isk. These isk farmers are under the protection of CVA, whether there's an arrangement or not. Shoot at the farmers and it spawns a blob of CVA or some other local. If you are a local and shoot at the isk farmers, you are banned from the intel channels and possibly reset to red. Let me say it again, in case anyone missed it. CVA actively, knowingly and willingly protects what are obviously isk farmers by attacking people that are attacking those isk farmers, regardless of whether they are just generally pirating or only selectively attacking the farmers and by forbidding their own members and allies from attacking those isk farmers. You can blow all the roleplay, antipirate crap out your rear end. I consider CVA's behavior on this matter to be disgusting. -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot
Daerkannon Shimmerscale Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:33:00 - [56] Originally by: Rooker These isk farmers are under the protection of CVA, whether there's an arrangement or not. Shoot at the farmers and it spawns a blob of CVA or some other local. If you are a local and shoot at the isk farmers, you are banned from the intel channels and possibly reset to red. Let me say it again, in case anyone missed it. CVA actively, knowingly and willingly protects what are obviously isk farmers by attacking people that are attacking those isk farmers, regardless of whether they are just generally pirating or only selectively attacking the farmers and by forbidding their own members and allies from attacking those isk farmers. You can blow all the roleplay, antipirate crap out your rear end. I consider CVA's behavior on this matter to be disgusting. Phht.. just being red is good enough to get a horde of salivating PvPers out to chase you, you don't have to shoot anything macro or not. Quite frankly we're a little bit too good at the anti-pirate thing and there are a lot of bored pilots looking for something to shoot. That we end up protecting macro haulers is incidental. Occasionally there are efforts made to clear them out. CVA tried once ages ago. More recently Sani Sabik and Tri have both made their own dents in the macro population. The conclusion is always the same: it's a waste of time, ammo and sec status. Petitions have a much greater effect.. and yes, they do eventually work. When you live in the area you get familiar with some of the names and then one day they just disappear and never re-appear. Also whenever a friendly decides to try and clear out the macro hauler population they inevitably end up targeting a real player and blowing them up. I suppose someone in NBSI would just say tough luck, but we live in a NRDS region of space where we actively try to encourage neutral to come and make a living. Many do. Blowing them up on some futile quest to 'end the macro hauler menace' is unacceptable. You call it hypocrisy. I call it practicality. --- Honest officer, the dwarf was on fire when I got here! Can't find a mechanical engineering agent? Need a non-Caldari Navy agent? http://www.eve-agents.com/ for all your agent needs!
Ancy Denaries Caldari Under Heavy Fire	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:26:00 - [57] I usually spend most of my time down and around Mamet, and I have to agree; it's a cesspool of newbcorp macrohaulers. I made it my job to clean it up (and I'm no pirate by any means) and it came to an abrupt end when CVA waved the "KOS" flag in my face :( Roleplay or not, it's a disgusting behaviour to protect those who cheat their way thru the game and violate the EULA. CVA even has it in their rules that no pilot in CVA-controlled space (which currently includes the low sec systems around Mamet) may break the EULA. But what do they do about it? Nothing. Except blowing up the people that keep space clean of such vermin. It sucks. Big time, but I'm not interested in getting a huge "KOS" flag on my ass, so I'm not gonna help clean it up. I only hope CVA gets off their fat asses and see what's going on under their very noses. The excuse "they might just be player alts" doesn't work. Try watching one for half an hour. Runs courier missions like there's no tomorrow, never replies to convos, has no bio, has PERFECT standings with amarr empire, yet a security status of 0.0 and have never left their corp. Hello? Wake up and smell the macro. Originally by: "Cris Dono" That ofc isn't the best thing when a punisher obviously fitted with an Acme Infini-cap-o-matic is still dishing out hurt like there was no tomorrow :(
Daerkannon Shimmerscale Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:47:00 - [58] So you think the CVA and allies should be enforcing the EULA now? The CVA made a decision a while ago, and I think it's the right one, that they leave that up to CCP. If you've spent that much time analyzing one of the macro haulers, then why haven't you petitioned them? It'll have a far greater effect than shooting dime a dozen haulers. With Trinity 1.1 CCP got a whole bunch of new tools and directly after the patch the local macro population decreased very dramatically. It's slowly crawling back up again, but I believe CCP are doing what they can to stop ISK sellers. Frankly if you really want to help the problem, track down the ISK buyers and pod them right out of the game. If there was no demand for illegal isk for cash, these farmers would disappear from the game. --- Honest officer, the dwarf was on fire when I got here! Can't find a mechanical engineering agent? Need a non-Caldari Navy agent? http://www.eve-agents.com/ for all your agent needs!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:50:00 - [59] Pirates are always welcome to come to Mamet (actually, Kheram is a rockin' place to get these haulers). CVA fights pirates. Period. That's what we do to play the game. The biproduct of our activity is gravitation of macroiskers to our space. The biproduct of people who pirate to play the game is potential loss of CCP customers (indeed there are pirates in this very forum who are proud of the prospect of forcing players away from the game. Referrence any "why I play the game" type thread.) Both can be nicely argued as damaging to the game...but both are biproducts of completely valid playstyles. Come to CVA space for pirating (plenty of it to be had...tons of missions runners, legit and otherwise) or come to CVA space to fight the CVA. You're more than welcome to; conflict is healthy for the game and fun for any pvper. But this "CVA are corrupt and directly and purposefully protect and profit from isk farmers" is just silliness.
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.08 23:54:00 - [60] Originally by: Daerkannon Shimmerscale So you think the CVA and allies should be enforcing the EULA now? Of course not. However, I do wish that they would stop assisting those who do break the EULA. -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot
Ancy Denaries Caldari Under Heavy Fire	Posted - 2008.05.09 06:38:00 - [61] Originally by: Rooker Originally by: Daerkannon Shimmerscale So you think the CVA and allies should be enforcing the EULA now? Of course not. However, I do wish that they would stop assisting those who do break the EULA. That would be exactly what I meant with my post. Actually enforcing the EULA feels silly. But killing those that try to clear up space from macroers is, in effect, protecting the macroers, thus the EULA breakers. Originally by: "Cris Dono" That ofc isn't the best thing when a punisher obviously fitted with an Acme Infini-cap-o-matic is still dishing out hurt like there was no tomorrow :(
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.05.09 17:10:00 - [62] Originally by: Udas Toiracsi Props to you Cole you are a sneaky bugger. I've almost had you a few times and you keep getting away. :) I agree with you that mamet is bad.. When i watch the station from your 325km safe spot i see 4-5 NPC corp haulers undock at once using macro software so you aren't wrong. Keep killing them and I'll keep laughing. Its fun to login and see 3-4 new corpses each day on scanner. However since you shot up a comple IACers - I'll have to keep gunning for you even tho I applaud your macro killing efforts. Maybe one day you'll slip up and I'll manage to take down your crusader or nanophoon... I'll promise I'll keep tryin! o7 Yes that was a fun little showdown we had. Rohk Vs Phoon. I will continue to be sneaky, and continue to kill as long as I am able.
Udas Toiracsi	Posted - 2008.05.09 18:41:00 - [63] Yeah.. The Rokh isnt really an optimal ship to get you with.. its just what i was in at the time :) We had a PERFECT trap setup for you one day with a ratter and my falcon - with 2 BSs on standby.. problem is the ratter was out of position so when i warped in I bounced off a frickin asteroid and decloaked. You started locking me so I had to ECM you waaay out of position at 70km. If i had managed to jump you within webber/jam range it would have been a different outcome. I've actually been within 20-30km of you a few times cloaked but somehow you always manage to warp out before I can spring my trap. I'm taking a break from the mamet cespool for awhile so have at em!
Lobster Man Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.05.09 19:28:00 - [64] I can't help but "LOL" when CVA and their pets roleplay some justification of their negative sec statuses, but let the farmers pass. They're a bunch of blobby roleplayers who don't care to fight fairly and it's really not worth the effort unless you can out blob them. If you just want to kill farmers come to metropolis/heimatar.
Elseix	Posted - 2008.05.09 20:04:00 - [65] I've always been a bit confused about why CVA doesn't just outlaw noob corps from the area & post warnings to that effect. Then the super super obvious macro corps could be set red or just their names posted as fair game in those systems so groups who want to kill them could have at it. Above my pay grade and all but I could sure go for being able to dispose of obvious noob corp spies in Providence.
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.05.09 21:34:00 - [66] Originally by: Udas Toiracsi Yeah.. The Rokh isnt really an optimal ship to get you with.. its just what i was in at the time :) We had a PERFECT trap setup for you one day with a ratter and my falcon - with 2 BSs on standby.. problem is the ratter was out of position so when i warped in I bounced off a frickin asteroid and decloaked. You started locking me so I had to ECM you waaay out of position at 70km. If i had managed to jump you within webber/jam range it would have been a different outcome. I've actually been within 20-30km of you a few times cloaked but somehow you always manage to warp out before I can spring my trap. I'm taking a break from the mamet cespool for awhile so have at em! Wow, I had a feeling it was a trap, when I saw you decloak i hit the gas. You got within 20km of me whilst cloaked? That is scary, I remember being on the punishing end when in MDK its not a pretty sight. o7 Lobster! o7
Lobster Man Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.05.10 03:46:00 - [67] Originally by: CoLe Blackblood Lobster! o7 Long time no see ;) If you're srs about the whole anti-farmer thing drop by "chaining farmers" in game for some fun pewpewing around ingunn, or just to chat
Pegleg Punk Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.10 06:34:00 - [68] I enjoyed this thread. There were so many reversal of roles, I forgot which hand was left! We have a scalliwag fight for ethics- and we have anti-scalliwags dismiss ethics, looking the other way! Mr Blackblood I applaud you for doing the Lord's work. Whether your lord is my lord, no lord or Traci Lords (lets all bow our heads in a moment of reverant silence) I am positive that we would both agree to "kill them all and let God sort em out". I also want to tip my hat to MASTER SMAMMAH for his wonderful display of roleplay in this thread! Arepee is not my brand of...coffee shall we say, I never desparage those called to this depraved form of self expression. Bravo, sir. Bravo. Originally by: Naga Saddow [16:38:06] "i must admit for an ahole ur pretty funny"
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.10 11:27:00 - [69] Edited by: Niding on 10/05/2008 11:28:53 Just to add to what Garreck said; Before I joined CVA I was part of an anti macro channel in empire/low sec, and flew around looking for them etc. Killed a few, but didnt seem to make much of a dent. Then I joined CVA, and they were as concerned with the problem as everyone else. We tried to curb the macro problem by shooting them and allow our citizens to do the same. Result: People on several gates, shooting anything resembling a hauler, macro or not. Not before long, legit neutrals were shooting eachother and quarrels ensued. Eventually we had to face up to the fact that running NRDS and allowing free for all shooting of neutral haulers would eventually spiral out of control, so we prohibited it. If you argue that NRDS has the negative bieffect of a increased macrotraffic, I wont argue against it, because its true. On the flipside, NRDS also increases the volume of legit neutral traffic and giving ppl that might not have ventured into low sec/0.0 a taste of such without having to be overly worried about being blown up. NBSI has the effect of keeping macro population down, no argument there, but it also keeps legit neutral traffic volume down. Both policies has its pros and cons. CVA has chosen NRDS, and to let CCP handle the negative consequences of that/macros. Its not a perfect world/solution, but the best we can do. NRDS with open season on macroers just wont work.
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.05.11 00:00:00 - [70] Originally by: Pegleg Punk I enjoyed this thread. There were so many reversal of roles, I forgot which hand was left! We have a scalliwag fight for ethics- and we have anti-scalliwags dismiss ethics, looking the other way! Mr Blackblood I applaud you for doing the Lord's work. Whether your lord is my lord, no lord or Traci Lords (lets all bow our heads in a moment of reverant silence) I am positive that we would both agree to "kill them all and let God sort em out". I also want to tip my hat to MASTER SMAMMAH for his wonderful display of roleplay in this thread! Arepee is not my brand of...coffee shall we say, I never desparage those called to this depraved form of self expression. Bravo, sir. Bravo. Thanks Pegleg, Jesus built my Hot Rod and He thanks you. I like the Arepee. Mamet is quite a hotbed for it, good guys bad guys and the farmers that need liberation from their sweatsoaked pods.
Pegleg Punk Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.11 03:52:00 - [71] Always down for a little Ministry. Originally by: Naga Saddow [16:38:06] "i must admit for an ahole ur pretty funny"
warpod Amarr People Desintegration Project Death or Glory	Posted - 2008.05.11 18:19:00 - [72] Originally by: Niding Edited by: Niding on 10/05/2008 11:28:53 NRDS with open season on macroers just wont work. Just make a list of macroers and allow shoot ONLY them. It is not so diffucult to make such list (I know every macroer there) Set negative standing to those people and ask other corporations do the same. Repeat procedure in 1-2 months.
Captain Star	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:30:00 - [73] Asked this in another thread, but didn't get much response (probably because it was off topic and therefore my fault), but anyways... How do I shoot macro haulers in Mamet? I tried today and got wasted by a space station :( Sorry for the noobie question.
Suboran Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.14 13:09:00 - [74] Originally by: Captain Star Asked this in another thread, but didn't get much response (probably because it was off topic and therefore my fault), but anyways... How do I shoot macro haulers in Mamet? I tried today and got wasted by a space station :( Sorry for the noobie question. you need to fly a stronger ship, something like a well tanked cruiser of battlecruiser
Captain Star	Posted - 2008.05.14 13:24:00 - [75] So what you are saying is that its invertable that I take fire from a station? There is no other way of doing it? Long range sniping or something?
Rutefly Amarr Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2008.05.14 14:18:00 - [76] Mamet used to be cool. A freehaven for low sec mining, mish, rat hunting for those who werent rdy for big 0.0 alliancing. Pvp was avail. if you wanted to join local gangs. Pirates etc. and even real pew pewers dropped by for a challenge that mostly went on fair terms. Dunno what went wrong. Turned into a farm pit of the worst sort. No unity, community etc. Everyone shooting at everyone for cheap kills. Just another low sec sys now. Bomb the **** out of them!
Callthetruth Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.14 14:22:00 - [77] thats about it, if u can get industrial supplies in its a great system for selling though same as ami
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:52:00 - [78] Originally by: Garreck The biproduct of people who pirate to play the game is potential loss of CCP customers (indeed there are pirates in this very forum who are proud of the prospect of forcing players away from the game. Referrence any "why I play the game" type thread.) If the game wasn't such a lagfest there may be an argument for that, but CCP can't seem to fix the lag so the second next best thing is driving people out of game. And frankly, people leaving the game because of piracy are pussies... -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP!
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:59:00 - [79] Originally by: Captain Star Asked this in another thread, but didn't get much response (probably because it was off topic and therefore my fault), but anyways... How do I shoot macro haulers in Mamet? I tried today and got wasted by a space station :( Sorry for the noobie question. Yes, a bigger ship that can tank the sentries. HIC, BC Battleship or Command ship. If you can Snipe outside of 150k that can work too. MAybe a friend to bump and you sniping? The only places the macros go are to stations and gates, so thats where you need to get them. Be prepared to be shot at by the local nonmacroers, but that always makes for fun and goodness!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:51:00 - [80] Originally by: Lubomir Penev And frankly, people leaving the game because of piracy are pussies... So are folks who think CVA profits from macroers just because we hunt pirates. That's backwards in every sense: The macroers profit because CVA hunts pirates. The volume of macroers is simply a side-effect of our playstyle. It sucks, but it is what it is. If CVA targetted macroers, we wouldn't be talking about how CVA supports macroers; we'd be talking about how CVA are hypocrites about hunting pirates, about defending neutrals, and all that other good stuff that CVA tends to be quite vocal about. Someone's going to complain. I suppose we'd rather someone complain because they don't like our style than complain because we are hypocrites.
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.05.14 21:33:00 - [81] One way to look at it: In RL the macroers could be working in a sweatshop, or part of some low level crime syndicate(bear with me) If they are workers in a sweatshop, wouldnt that make their boss a bad guy? The boss never shows his face so killing the macroers hurts him at the knees. Take this into a RP perspective and these macroers become people working against their will and the only way to shut the business down is to kill their boss's profits. You can twist it however you like, in the end they explode, just like anybody else.
Redglare's Demise Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:05:00 - [82] Originally by: Garreck The macroers profit because CVA hunts pirates. So basically, you are more concerned with your RP ideals than the well being of Eve. From the RMT dev blog: Quote: There are also the macro miners and mission runners, complex farmers and assorted rabble of this sort that causes general nuisance and keeps the regular players from being able to enjoy EVE as they would like. Price of minerals, ore, ice, implants and so on is driven down by this kind of activity and thus ways for normal players to make ISK are effectively ruined. So you can either directly aid the macros, save their ships, and allow them to continue to ruin the game for normal players, OR you could actually do everyone a great service, by destroying them. You choose the first option to avoid being called hypocrites? Only an idiot would call you a hypocrite for destroying macros. Bah, no sense in trying to understand your logic.
Ambtuehr	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:19:00 - [83] The real issue is, none of these "crusaders for justice" are actually killing 100% macro miners. They kill some neutrals, alts, friends or allies of CVA and the other Providence holders. Someone gives their name out in Citadel and they get hunted down. Macro farmers aren't in the intel channel calling out targets in Mamet, its just not happening. But you guys are shooting anything that moves and any target you can get your hands on. But this is CVA's fault? If I was CVA I would have dissallowed npc corps in Providence, but I'm not CVA & they've lived there much longer then I have. This whole thread is a poorly disguised whine that another bunch of pirates can't get their easy kill fix quite as easily.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:25:00 - [84] Edited by: Garreck on 14/05/2008 22:26:03 Originally by: Redglare's Demise So basically, you are more concerned with your RP ideals than the well being of Eve. Yes. As a paying customer, my approach to Eve is appropriately selfish. I play to have fun in a fictional world, not play referee. The well being of Eve is CCP's responsibility as far as I'm concerned. Interestingly enough, if macro-hunters come to lower Domain to exclusively kill macroers...then CVA will never hear about it. The issue is that full-out pirates tend to take up this task, and they shoot anything and anyone. And then CVA shows up based on reports in an intel channel. Then the pirate(s) is/are dispached or chased off. Then the pirate(s) in question run(s) to the forums and cries that CVA is protecting macroers. There's not really much logic to understand, beyond "it's not our responsibility to police the game." We choose not to hunt macroers. Folks are welcome to choose to dislike us for that, because, as I've already implied, folks are gonna choose to dislike us for one reason or another...particularly pirates. edit Looks like Ambtuehr beat me to my main point...
Kery Syander The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:52:00 - [85] Were cva/friends to set noobcorps red, then you would both make life harder for the noob corp macroers, and encourage everyone to be in a corporation, which makes people who in your eyes (RP-wise) 'legitimately' hunt macroers by war-deccing them have a much more atainable goal. CVA obviously enjoys dropping 20 man gangs on solo/small gang pirates, though. One, I wish CCP would put all of 2 hours of thought into fixing this so lowsec hauling missions weren't so fukken imbalanced. It's really not that hard to discourage it, but CCP's staff is obviously both lazy and incompetent. And two, CVA could stop complaining that "they can't do anything about the macroers without giving up their RP angle." I'm sorry but that's not the case. also, lol at the paxton smack. -----
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 02:14:00 - [86] Originally by: Kery Syander CVA could stop complaining... Wow.

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