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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.24 06:42:00 -
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I hate people who spam in every thread saying "JETISSONING MEANS ITS NO LONGER YOURS" and point to the CCP definition. Well I would just like to note that CCP has said for months that jetissoning does NOT mean that you lose control of the item(s) (they just are too lazy to update their definitions). This issue will be completely solved by the criminal flagging system in Shiva (And if jetissoning made the item free for anyone... why would this even exist?). So stop spamming this in every thread--you're giving the noobs false information.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.04.24 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 24/04/2004 19:29:03
as always, silverlancer, it s you who is terribly misinformed. (and passing on the bull****)
ppl are not talking about ccps definition of jettison, they are talking about THE defintion of the word.
 Originally by: NASA
Jettison: The disposal of unwanted equipment or material by establishing it in a trajectory that will allow a predictable reentry into the atmosphere. 002
Link
and yes, i know, it s a game and they can define stuff in any way they want. but some definitions are simply more, hm, funny than others. 
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2004.04.24 13:39:00 -
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Have you ever suffered a bump on the head Silverlancer
you realy do spout some *******s
*Proud CEO of Anorak Inc*
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.24 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dexter Rast
Have you ever suffered a bump on the head Silverlancer
you realy do spout some *******s
*Proud CEO of Anorak Inc*
LOL. Explain to me why, in Shiva, CCP is making it so that if you take ore from a jetisson can you will be flagged as criminal and killed by concord...
if they say that the jetissoned item is no longer yours?
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2004.04.24 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Dexter Rast on 24/04/2004 13:56:41
If you hadnt already realised what CCP say and what they do are 2 completely different things
well lets see if you are correct Silver.. and if you are only 90% of what you type will be reguarded as *******s
BTW still waiting on that war declaration form you, plz try to remember about it when you get ingame, thnx
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.04.24 18:02:00 -
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If they do flag ppl that do that as criminals its going to be seriously exploitable already and allow even more greifing tactics. Also will make secure cans completly redundant.
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Reash
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Posted - 2004.04.24 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Reash on 24/04/2004 18:09:12
Secure cans would still be useful for things such as mining in 0.0 space if i am correct? Seen as concord has no rule there.
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Alkanine
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Posted - 2004.04.24 18:10:00 -
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any smart ore thief doesnt go to 0.0 either and you can kill an indy that trys stealing hence secure cans still pretty much useless unless you need an ammo dump that lasts for awhile
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.04.24 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Silverlancer
LOL. Explain to me why, in Shiva, CCP is making it so that if you take ore from a jetisson can you will be flagged as criminal and killed by concord...
if they say that the jetissoned item is no longer yours?
Excessive whining from carebears?
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2004.04.24 18:16:00 -
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So lets get this straight,
we encounter a guy from a corp war and kill him in a 1.0 system..
Can we or can we not loot his can after his destruction without getting ganked by concord??
if this issue has not been adressed yet then obviously that cargo rule will not be implemented.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.24 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dexter Rast
Edited by: Dexter Rast on 24/04/2004 13:56:41
If you hadnt already realised what CCP say and what they do are 2 completely different things
well lets see if you are correct Silver.. and if you are only 90% of what you type will be reguarded as *******s
BTW still waiting on that war declaration form you, plz try to remember about it when you get ingame, thnx
What war declaration? We don't declare war anymore as everyone we've warred against has just left their corp and ran to another.
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Sylia Masters
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Posted - 2004.04.24 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sylia Masters on 24/04/2004 19:11:53
As of this time, who owns the contents of a free floating can is irrelevant. What is relevant is who can enforce the claim on the contents of the can. If I'm mining in .1+ space, and someone waltz over and starts to dig through my can, I'll consider that highly rude, but unless I do something about it, I cannot complain! I hate ore thieves, they're scum, but all the yelling in the world does nothing; except make them want to loot even more.
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2004.04.24 19:22:00 -
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What war declaration? We don't declare war anymore as everyone we've warred against has just left their corp and ran to another
 someone get me a corset for my sides have split with laughing
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.04.24 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 24/04/2004 19:34:14
useless topic. will post again anyway.
jettison means throwing away. i m not a native speaker, so could anyone point to an instance in which he uses the word and wants to retrieve the stuff later???
even in the game there is only one occasion for ppl to be interested in a jettison can: can-mining.
so lots of trouble for a business that wasn t supposed to be ingame. again.
so:
* stop uber concord, install flexible police response
* make wars less avoidable
* fix security status bug
* move ppl to low sec by banning most production from high sec and increasing low sec ores
instead of working on rubbish like this!
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.04.24 19:33:00 -
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Use secure cans. Jettisoned stuff isnt yours. Kthxbye.
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holy jo
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Posted - 2004.04.24 19:34:00 -
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What war declaration? We don't declare war anymore as everyone we've warred against has just left their corp and ran to another.
*Proud CEO of Ragnorak Inc*
Well proud CEO of Ragnork Inc please give us a declaration of war so that we may benefit from your great experience in these matters.
Well try not to lose to many memebers of it LOLS
Bless you my my misguided son
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.04.24 19:49:00 -
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I kinda posed this question a couple of days ago about jet cans and war spoils.
Currently with a corp war, when there has been a battle, you find a scrabble of people jump for the left jet cans to see what they can take from the battlefield.
I was asking whether the items should be flagged as stolen unless picked up by the winning corp or the losing corp. And whether Concord would respond accordingly.
No firm answers but this is another instance where people are very interested in jet cans.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.04.24 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 24/04/2004 20:02:06
Originally by: Grimster
No firm answers but this is another instance where people are very interested in jet cans.
shoot them is my response. there are other instances in which ppl are interested in keeping the stuff (exchanging cargo in space, etc) but in most instances it s pretty easy (and your responsibility) to keep other ppl from taking your stuff.
just scanning the web i found an interesting use of the word:
Originally by: aljazeera
The Post said at the top of the list of those probably to be jettisoned was Ahmad Chalabi, a Shia politician who for years was a Pentagon favourite and popular with Vice President Richard Cheney.
i fear he will get picked up again. 
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.24 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: McWatt
Edited by: McWatt on 24/04/2004 20:02:06
Originally by: Grimster
No firm answers but this is another instance where people are very interested in jet cans.
shoot them is my response. there are other instances in which ppl are interested in keeping the stuff (exchanging cargo in space, etc) but in most instances it s pretty easy (and your responsibility) to keep other ppl from taking your stuff.
just scanning the web i found an interesting use of the word:
Originally by: aljazeera
The Post said at the top of the list of those probably to be jettisoned was Ahmad Chalabi, a Shia politician who for years was a Pentagon favourite and popular with Vice President Richard Cheney.
i fear he will get picked up again.
AFAIK the jetisson change will work like this--you cannot take it unless you are the one who killed the person and you were at war.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.24 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: holy jo
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What war declaration? We don't declare war anymore as everyone we've warred against has just left their corp and ran to another.
*Proud CEO of Ragnorak Inc*
Well proud CEO of Ragnork Inc please give us a declaration of war so that we may benefit from your great experience in these matters.
Well try not to lose to many memebers of it LOLS
Bless you my my misguided son
I have very little war experience... as all the corps we've declared war on were alt corps and suicide kestrel corps that just reformed themselves when we declared war.
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SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2004.04.24 21:16:00 -
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Dunno what all the fuss is about. If you leave something behind it is still technically yours until someone decides to steal it. Just like in real life, if you leave something unattended it'll be gone asap. And also just like in real life, if you do see someone actually steal your stuff, you can seek justice.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.04.24 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Silverlancer
AFAIK the jetisson change will work like this--you cannot take it unless you are the one who killed the person and you were at war.
I reckon this one will go to a corp level, you know what it's like with a battle, cr@p flying everywhere, it's hard to tell who killed who and to be ganked by concord because you didn't kill someone would suck when still in the same corp that killed the enemy.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.25 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Silverlancer on 25/04/2004 00:09:52
*double post*
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.25 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: SKiNNiEH
Dunno what all the fuss is about. If you leave something behind it is still technically yours until someone decides to steal it. Just like in real life, if you leave something unattended it'll be gone asap. And also just like in real life, if you do see someone actually steal your stuff, you can seek justice.
Agreed. If you leave your car (thorax) outside a movie theater (station) and get out and walk in (in your pod), its still a crime to steal it.
And if you leave a briefcase against the wall outside a corp meeting (unsecure can with ore in it), and then you walk in to talk, its still a crime to steal it.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.04.25 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Silverlancer
Agreed. If you leave your car (thorax) outside a movie theater (station) and get out and walk in (in your pod), its still a crime to steal it.
And if you leave a briefcase against the wall outside a corp meeting (unsecure can with ore in it), and then you walk in to talk, its still a crime to steal it.
Yeah, but you rarely get an immediate police response.
If you have a briefcase (ore) in your car (indy) and drive past the police, they are very unlikely to stop you to look for it.
Granted if you're in a known stolen car (thorax) and go past the police that's a different story.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.25 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: Silverlancer
Agreed. If you leave your car (thorax) outside a movie theater (station) and get out and walk in (in your pod), its still a crime to steal it.
And if you leave a briefcase against the wall outside a corp meeting (unsecure can with ore in it), and then you walk in to talk, its still a crime to steal it.
Yeah, but you rarely get an immediate police response.
If you have a briefcase (ore) in your car (indy) and drive past the police, they are very unlikely to stop you to look for it.
Granted if you're in a known stolen car (thorax) and go past the police that's a different story.
Yup, I know. What I mean is that its a crime either way--whether you can get caught or not. But if you're sitting outside the meeting watching your purse (ore) and a guy runs off with it... you're allowed to pepper spray him and take him down
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.04.25 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Silverlancer
Yup, I know. What I mean is that its a crime either way--whether you can get caught or not. But if you're sitting outside the meeting watching your purse (ore) and a guy runs off with it... you're allowed to pepper spray him and take him down
Unless you're in the UK buddy, you'd be the one going to jail then  Talk about backward!
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.04.25 00:44:00 -
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i'll agree with the topic - Silver, shut up about jettisoning. Btw from what i gathered criminal flagging won't be Concord-oriented, but player-oriented, so if u get ur ore stolen YOU are the one that is supposed to kill the thief.
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Xadian
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Posted - 2004.04.25 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Xadian on 25/04/2004 01:35:05
a simpler way would simply be a change in the jettison warning message, instead of "Are you Sure?" it should be, "Are you sure? once jettisoned, items aren't your property"
Always hit the big red button whenever you get the chance.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.25 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Negotiator
i'll agree with the topic - Silver, shut up about jettisoning. Btw from what i gathered criminal flagging won't be Concord-oriented, but player-oriented, so if u get ur ore stolen YOU are the one that is supposed to kill the thief.
What I mean is that if you're sitting NEXT TO THE CAN and a guy steals it... feel free to blow him to pieces
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