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Sharp Feather Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.04.25 00:35:00 - [1] Edited by: Sharp Feather on 25/04/2008 00:36:38 You know whats so awesome about video games? Its the fact that you can have a good bit of fun whitout the consequence. Its so sad that I cant jump in an instance and try and learn how to pvp whitout losing ships to massive GANG BANG one sided 4 years old characters. Carebear? Carebear? Ahahah you guys make me laugh sooOooO hard when you are all throwing ''you are a carebear'' at each other. You are all carebears and If it wasnt the case everyone would run around alone and shot at each other just worrying about how to have more fun. Lucky me, I can level whitout playing the game which fulfil my MMO hunger whitout whitout losing IRL time. That being said. Im out. LEEEEEEEEEEEETS THE FLAME BEGIN YEEHA!
Havohej Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.04.25 00:45:00 - [2] Obvious troll is obvious? Amidoinitrite? л┬╥▬─ ~ ~ ~
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.25 00:50:00 - [3] GW2WOW. Seriously. This game is not for you if that is really your mindset. Or try Guild Wars. It has easily accessible, no-consequence (and quite good) PvP.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:08:00 - [4] Don't feed the troll guys, he'll only follow you home and eat from your garbage can. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:10:00 - [5] Right problem, wrong solution. Obviotroll doesn't matter in this regard. There is no way for new players to learn PvP without diving straight into the deep end. Which is really easy to recommend when you're already familiar and used to EVE's PvP but potentially very intimidating to new players (especially players relatively new to MMO's in general). That said there is probably a better way to open up this sort of discussion in a more conducive manner than the OP. ---
Benco97 Gallente Exchangable Properties	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:17:00 - [6] Everyone started PVP without a clue, newbies these days HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD. Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
M'kie Zeletta	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:19:00 - [7] No way to learn how to PVP? How about joining a corp and flying the FREE* ship you get when you start. You can practice PVP against others in your corp, just don't pod each other. Or join a corp that can supply you with cheap PVP frigs to practice with. *Free = with a bonus unit of trit. Either this post is from a very new player with little experience of the game or an obvitroll. I tend to give the benifit of the doubt for anyone else who might be reading.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:22:00 - [8] yes, you can train. just play on the tester server and learn there. you take no losses & get all the ships/mods you wont for free too learn with..
Acies Invictus Neoteric War Syndicate Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:32:00 - [9] I'm 3 weeks into the game and I joined a PvP Corp in null sec. Guess what, I learn quickly and rat on the side if I'm broke. It's really not that difficult. Solo PvP is harder. But I did that for a couple weeks and never had grievous loses. Know when to fight and when to flight. _______________________________________________ Human beings didn't evolve brains in order to lie around on lakes. Killing's the first thing we learned. And a good thing we did, or we'd be dead,
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:35:00 - [10] Originally by: M'kie Zeletta No way to learn how to PVP? How about joining a corp and flying the FREE* ship you get when you start. You can practice PVP against others in your corp, just don't pod each other. Or join a corp that can supply you with cheap PVP frigs to practice with. *Free = with a bonus unit of trit. Either this post is from a very new player with little experience of the game or an obvitroll. I tend to give the benifit of the doubt for anyone else who might be reading. It takes a very specific type of player to dive into something like that. Even with zero risk, most people don't like sucking without an obvious way to improve. Every single player that starts playing a new game has to be educated of the options available to him, and how to use them. Some players in EVE are lucky or experienced enough from other games to be able to find exactly the right people to teach them this stuff, and are independent enough to read about it themselves. However, alot don't. And a consistent complaint from new players is that they don't know what the hell to do next, because the lessons that the game is supposed to teach in the early stages either don't stick, were ignored because they didn't look important enough, or simply don't exist. And before you start, this is something CCP has been focusing on (New Player Experience). But there's a long way to go yet and it should be discussed beyond calling anyone who mentions it a whiny carebear/newbie. ---
ZenTex Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Acies Invictus I'm 3 weeks into the game and I joined a PvP Corp in null sec. Guess what, I learn quickly and rat on the side if I'm broke. It's really not that difficult. Solo PvP is harder. But I did that for a couple weeks and never had grievous loses. Know when to fight and when to flight. It'll get harder in the future when you pvp in T2 ships with T2 fits. Losing your noobie rifter doesn't hurt anywhere near as much as a full T2 fitted and rigged HAC. To OP: If you get ganbanged it means the others were organized and you weren't. EVE is NOT a solo PvP game. There's little a sledgehammer can't fix. If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer. If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p
Acies Invictus Neoteric War Syndicate Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:46:00 - [12] I understand how hard it can be. I hear the groans of the guys who lose their 50m ship and it's 50m worth of fits. But that's war. _______________________________________________ Human beings didn't evolve brains in order to lie around on lakes. Killing's the first thing we learned. And a good thing we did, or we'd be dead,
Havohej Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:50:00 - [13] Originally by: ZenTex EVE is NOT a solo PvP game. Nope - it's a general PvP and corp theft game. In other words, "sandbox = do what you want as long as it's within the rules andt he EULA (which are subject to change)." No solo PvP? At all? Seriously? I must be in the wrong game... л┬╥▬─ ~ ~ ~
Red Harvest	Posted - 2008.04.25 01:57:00 - [14] Just get on SiSi (test server) and you can "waste" as many ships and mods as you like till you feel comfortable enough to give it a try where it matters.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.04.25 02:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: ZenTex EVE is NOT a solo PvP game. Nope - it's a general PvP and corp theft game. In other words, "sandbox = do what you want as long as it's within the rules andt he EULA (which are subject to change)." No solo PvP? At all? Seriously? I must be in the wrong game... yea realy, its only the one of the best parts of eve.. nothing like a good solo fight.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.25 02:03:00 - [16] it's called the test server.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2008.04.25 02:20:00 - [17] Mango.
doctorstupid2 Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.04.25 03:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: ZenTex EVE is NOT a solo PvP game. Nope - it's a general PvP and corp theft game. In other words, "sandbox = do what you want as long as it's within the rules andt he EULA (which are subject to change)." No solo PvP? At all? Seriously? I must be in the wrong game... Solo PVP is dead. Nostalgia \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace
Havohej Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.04.25 03:20:00 - [19] Originally by: doctorstupid2 Solo PVP is dead. ROFL Even better!!! I'm a noob л┬╥▬─ ~ ~ ~
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.04.25 03:24:00 - [20] Originally by: Sharp Feather Edited by: Sharp Feather on 25/04/2008 00:36:38 You know whats so awesome about video games? Its the fact that you can have a good bit of fun whitout the consequence. Its so sad that I cant jump in an instance and try and learn how to pvp whitout losing ships to massive GANG BANG one sided 4 years old characters. Carebear? Carebear? Ahahah you guys make me laugh sooOooO hard when you are all throwing ''you are a carebear'' at each other. You are all carebears and If it wasnt the case everyone would run around alone and shot at each other just worrying about how to have more fun. Lucky me, I can level whitout playing the game which fulfil my MMO hunger whitout whitout losing IRL time. That being said. Im out. LEEEEEEEEEEEETS THE FLAME BEGIN YEEHA! In a year or two, when you read this thread again you will laugh about how silly you were "back then". IF you are still around then. ---
Hannobaal Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.25 03:36:00 - [21] Originally by: MotherMoon it's called the test server.
ZzZGilletteZzZ Caldari ZzZDefZzZ	Posted - 2008.04.25 03:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Raem Civrie (especially players relatively new to MMO's in general) An MMO player is more likely to be a carebear whiner as real gamers don't mind their pixels exploding as much as a level 70 uber wizard mages do.
Radcjk Caldari Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.04.25 03:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Havohej Obvious troll is obvious? Amidoinitrite? Dead on! And heh, I prefer to think of eve less as PvP and more as PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPvV Players(*x)vs Victim
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.04.25 04:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Tarminic Don't feed the troll guys, he'll only follow you home and eat from your garbage can. Nothing wrong with free trash pickup
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.25 04:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Tarminic Don't feed the troll guys, he'll only follow you home and eat from your garbage can. Nothing wrong with free trash pickup I'm going to be gone for a few days, and well, since you're my fav ~~troll~~ realist buddy, I wanted to wish you many good puns. Peace be unto you brah. :{ ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
1717 Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2008.04.25 05:44:00 - [26] Originally by: MotherMoon it's called the test server. eve-online.com
Alekseyev Karrde Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.25 05:49:00 - [27] Azeroth called, it wants its idiot back. Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.25 06:03:00 - [28] Test server.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.25 06:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Radcjk And heh, I prefer to think of eve less as PvP and more as PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPvV Players(x)vs Victim PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPvP That or (REALLY BIG) Pvp(really small). How many times I've had an overpowered ship undocked on me and been called a coward for not engaging... I can't count to be honest. P.S. I fail at forum tags... how u maek fontz bigged? ------------ Originally by:* CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.04.25 06:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Sharp Feather Edited by: Sharp Feather on 25/04/2008 00:36:38 You know whats so awesome about video games? Its the fact that you can have a good bit of fun whitout the consequence. Its so sad that I cant jump in an instance and try and learn how to pvp whitout losing ships to massive GANG BANG one sided 4 years old characters. Carebear? Carebear? Ahahah you guys make me laugh sooOooO hard when you are all throwing ''you are a carebear'' at each other. You are all carebears and If it wasnt the case everyone would run around alone and shot at each other just worrying about how to have more fun. Lucky me, I can level whitout playing the game which fulfil my MMO hunger whitout whitout losing IRL time. That being said. Im out. LEEEEEEEEEEEETS THE FLAME BEGIN YEEHA! Are the crappy WoW servers down yet again? Yea - wow, did he just say "instance"? Heh... Yea, a instance - you mean a Battleground? Yea, wow... if CCP did that, EVE would suffer the same fate as Blizzard did. The game would go from world PvP to 30 or more VERY 'exciting' minutes, in a line to get on a breathtaking rollarcoster ride: Laggy-Glutch, Laggy-Glutch II, and of course Laggy-Glutch III - can you guess what the next one will be? A handful of battlegrounds that ALWAYS have the same rules, the same style, same everything - for the REST of your life, so long you continue to subscribe to WoW. This is what destroyed world PvP in WoW - why you don't see old-school raids anymore, you know - the ones that just 'happened', the ones that never had the same outcome. I mean really - BG's are epicly broken. Depending on the server, whichever faction that has the most experienced playerbase usually wins it all - so you can only hope u pick a balanced server, or a PvP server so you can at least choose to sit stealth along side a road to jump some hopeless noob for a change. Ah - that's another thing, rogues are another brilliant design, by Blizzard of course. Seriously - they have insane damage output, they pratically dodge most of your attacks unless your a hunter, another rogue, or a caster - IF they don't spam-stun/disorent you. This is the most overpowered, and simple class - compare the differant skills rogues use compared to other classes; that alone emphaises how immensly easy rogues are, and when you actually get into combat for a while its apprant to anyone who has eyes they kick every other classes ass in most situations. If we converted WoW into EVE - Rogues would be closest compared to a Nano-hac speed tanking (dodge), BUT with the armament of a Gankthron (damage), and the EW potential of a small ECM boat - like a Blackbird, or a Kitsune (stuns). Hmm... what currently exists in EVE that can remotly match that? :P Ok - back to my original point... Sorry - you can keep telli9ng your self your not a carebear, but unfortunatly your own attempts to speak out on the forums is doing nothing but supporting that claim. EVE is not for the weak. EVE is not like WoW where ur armor breaks and you repair it all for a minor portion of your gold - you can technically lose everything, including SP - which is the equilviant to WoW's XP. You can lose your ships, your mods - thats like losing all your gear - you know, like the failure sets developed and engineered by Blizzard to make internet addicts farm there instances 24-7 in order to keep them paying subscription. All-in-all - its a video game, and losses and consequence add to the realism - a game that can make you feel, which is one of the greatest feats ever done by CCP - creating a MMO that can incite good or bad emotions. The thing is that some overly-emotional kids, you know - the ones that curse their heads off after dying when playing HALO - they don't mix in a game like EVE. So - my advice is to learn to bite on it, like everyone else, or rethink on weither or not you can handle a game like EVE :P Sorry - I'm in a evil mood so I'm speaking from the heart right now. I have had to bite on losses before on EVE - but you just let it pass and learn from it if it was a noob mistake kind of loss. It can suck at times, but when you mercilessly destroy another player, it's as equally exciting as it sucks to lose stuff yourself. No other MMO I have played - and I have played a lot, can make me and many other players feel that way. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Shakuul Caldari Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.04.25 06:26:00 - [31] Maybe they should increase spawning pool costs to reduce zerging.
Evita Achura Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.25 08:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Havohej Obvious troll is obvious? Amidoinitrite? You are doing it rite.
Jaedar Metron I G N O T U S	Posted - 2008.04.25 09:31:00 - [33] THE EVE ONLINE FORUMS: Where the trolls feed and breed
Waukesha Amarr Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:10:00 - [34] Originally by: MotherMoon it's called the test server. This. End subject.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:13:00 - [35] I do not understand this concept of thinking outside the box.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:19:00 - [36] See, this is where one of those Wrangler "No"s would be handy. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Makalie Minmatar Teikoku Trade Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:23:00 - [37] Edited by: Makalie on 25/04/2008 11:24:52 I wouldn't mind some sort of PVP/nosec area that had SP/ship size limits on it in empire. Right now as a young rifter pilot if I want to PVP I HAVE to go can tipping just to find targets. No one is ever in the belts in lowsec empire because of people in BS's/intys/wtfpwnmobiles cruising around looking for people to gank. If I try to go to no sec, instant gank as soon as I enter the space (** you, SMASH alliance, I'm going to tear you down one of these days. I. Am. Coming.) srsly, the hard line between pilot and carebear doesn't seem to fit. How about this: Low-level agents give PVP missions to chars based on ship size/SPs. You'd sign up at your agent, and they'd send you against a faction that you choose which has characters who have also signed up. You then have x time to go to x area and kill x amount of frigs. Example: Me in my rifter wants to go pvps. I go to my "Skirmish" agent, and am given 2 hours to head over to the next system to collect tags/kill 4 players. (amount of players would be dependent on how many have signed on to kill members of my faction). Gate to that area could be scripted to only allow in ships of my size/chars near my SPs. Only way I can see this being a problem is people in t1 frigs with t2 guns and like 9 hours of played time versus miners**. -- lol wut
MyAsianTwin Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Sharp Feather That being said. Im out. Does this mean u are quitting eve? If so, can i have ur stuffz???
Havohej Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:38:00 - [39] Frankly, Makalie, you are wrong, and because you are new, you haven't seen enough action to know just how wrong you are. I roam lowsec in a Rifter, regularly. I almost killed a Brutix (yes, the bc) tonight, solo, 1v1... a craptastic range management mistake on my part allowed him to get out of my 2pt warp scrambler's range, so he got away... I CAN fly interceptors, I CAN fly AFs, I CAN fly BC/BS... I choose to fly the Rifter because, knowing how to pick my battles, it really does the same job a Jaguar would do (though not a Wolf, tbh, Wolf = dps machine). Look for Tzar'Rim's thread on C&P, "Have you ever..." and the Brutix encounter is explained in greater detail. In short, don't let the fact that you got caught in lowsec due to bad luck (you ran into a roaming ganker - whether solo or gang - or you jumped into a gate camp a few times and don't know how to get away yet) don't let that sort of setback flavor your idea of what lowsec/0.0 PvP is or isn't... there's more to it than blobs and noob ganking. I think the major coming of age in this game is the point where a noob can look back on his deaths and understand exactly what THEY did wrong and how if they'd just known better, it wouldn't have happened... when they understand that it's their own fault they died. And what's more, when they can take their new understanding, having learned how the game works, and move on. My K/D ratio is improving and it's finally getting to where my kills are more expensive than the ships I lose - I've seen the light, learned how to play, and didn't need any 'instanced safe fair empire' nonsense to do it. Neither has everybody else who's figured it out so far. The resources are all there. Battleclinic.com, this forum's C&P section and ships & Loadouts sections... more, if you look for it. READ something, learn to fight, you'll thank yourself later. л┬╥▬─ ~ ~ ~
Brun Thorvald	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:45:00 - [40] Two words. Agony Unleashed. Three more words. Fly Disposable Frigate. Look, the old Goonswarm - back when they kicked ass, before they told the membership to screw what you want, get up and move to Delve - took down BoB with disposible frigates. Fit a Navitas with a MWD, a scrambler and 2 autocannons and ummm nanos the thing, yeah, so 2 nanofibers in the low slots (why ACs - you can use them without cap. And you dont have the cap). Heck, fly a noobship with a MWD and a scrambler (many experienced people take noobships off their scanner and then WTF is scrambling me !!@$@!@~!). Now, go look for trouble. Lose it ? It's a 100k frigate. Five more words. Agony Unleased Cost Nine Mill. Now, go PvP your tail off.
Makalie Minmatar Teikoku Trade Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Havohej Frankly, Makalie, you are wrong, and because you are new, you haven't seen enough action to know just how wrong you are. I roam lowsec in a Rifter, regularly. I almost killed a Brutix (yes, the bc) tonight, solo, 1v1... a craptastic range management mistake on my part allowed him to get out of my 2pt warp scrambler's range, so he got away... I CAN fly interceptors, I CAN fly AFs, I CAN fly BC/BS... I choose to fly the Rifter because, knowing how to pick my battles, it really does the same job a Jaguar would do (though not a Wolf, tbh, Wolf = dps machine). Look for Tzar'Rim's thread on C&P, "Have you ever..." and the Brutix encounter is explained in greater detail. In short, don't let the fact that you got caught in lowsec due to bad luck (you ran into a roaming ganker - whether solo or gang - or you jumped into a gate camp a few times and don't know how to get away yet) don't let that sort of setback flavor your idea of what lowsec/0.0 PvP is or isn't... there's more to it than blobs and noob ganking. I think the major coming of age in this game is the point where a noob can look back on his deaths and understand exactly what THEY did wrong and how if they'd just known better, it wouldn't have happened... when they understand that it's their own fault they died. And what's more, when they can take their new understanding, having learned how the game works, and move on. My K/D ratio is improving and it's finally getting to where my kills are more expensive than the ships I lose - I've seen the light, learned how to play, and didn't need any 'instanced safe fair empire' nonsense to do it. Neither has everybody else who's figured it out so far. The resources are all there. Battleclinic.com, this forum's C&P section and ships & Loadouts sections... more, if you look for it. READ something, learn to fight, you'll thank yourself later. I've lost ten rifters since I started this character. All were to PVP in low sec. I'm not complaining- I'm simply noting that people LIKE YOU WITH MUCH HIGHER SKILLS are patrolling down in places like that. I've spent upwards of 4-5 hours a night sometimes patrolling lowsec looking for something I could fight. I've found a couple targets, exchanged blows, but most of the time it's someone coming in to blow me up. I'm not complaining about getting ganked. I could care less how many ships I lose. It's the HOW of the gank I'm dissapointed in. I run with PVP gangs through lowsec- Know what's in them? Usually three BS's, an inty, a bomber and me and a friend bringing up the rest of the tackle. It's not fun getting rolled by groups like this, no matter how much fun -we- have rolling people. There's no lesson to be learned when I'm out there except "stay out" or "watch local" and "come back when you can fit T2" -- lol wut
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:51:00 - [42] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: doctorstupid2 Solo PVP is dead. ROFL Even better!!! I'm a noob i not can does solo peveps :( ________________________________________________ MY BIG BROTHER BEING JESUS ******* CHRIST IN HIS BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM
Makalie Minmatar Teikoku Trade Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:55:00 - [43] BTW, I've been playing since '06. Pardon me if through starting a new char with no cash and straight into learning skills so I can focus intently on getting to inty/bomber that I've been able to actually spend time in lowsec as a low-sp char and see what it's actually like for newbs. There's a bit of a difference. Watch places like Dal and the surrounding areas. Most young rifter pilots are normally in a system for 5 mins, max, if they aren't just warping to the gate in the first place. The belts are empty. Hell, there's even NPC BC spawns on the gates most of the time because no one bothers to engage them, they just keep patrolling for peeps to gank or are too busy making sure they're warping to zero perfectly so they -don't- get ganked. We could really use a low SP PVP instance. Don't whine to me because I'm asking for something that takes away from your gank time. Move out of low sec and get into 0.0 like the rest of the men. -- lol wut
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.25 12:05:00 - [44] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 25/04/2008 12:05:53 Originally by: Tarminic Don't feed the troll guys, he'll only follow you home and eat from your garbage can. This equals less waste in the landfills. But I would be interested in the Methane production from troll gas as opposed to "natural" decompostition. Slade
Dani Leone Gallente A Dark Cloud Unaffiliated	Posted - 2008.04.25 12:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Waukesha Originally by: MotherMoon it's called the test server. This. End subject. So how many noobs will have their accounts active on the test server in the first few days after joining Eve? Not many I'd guess, and when the transfer occurs their skills are likely to be way out of date, and for a young character just a couple of days can make a large difference in capability. So forget posting 'test server' and feeling all smug about yourself, as it clearly isn't an option for the vast majority of noobs. The OP (if he isn't trolling) needs to go find a corp to join who will help him learn the ropes and help out with frigate costs etc. Or as some other helpful folks have pointed out, join up for classes with Agony, or maybe join Eve Uni. There is nothing he needs to learn that he can't get from the main server and its better for him to realise it now and decide to go do it for himself, instead of calling on ccp to shield him away from the game he says he wants to play. ( :P btw )
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.04.25 19:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Makalie Edited by: Makalie on 25/04/2008 11:56:44 BTW, I've been playing since '06. Pardon me if through starting a new char with no cash and straight into learning skills so I can focus intently on getting to inty/bomber that I've been able to actually spend time in lowsec as a low-sp char and see what it's actually like for newbs. There's a bit of a difference. Watch places like Dal and the surrounding areas. Most young rifter pilots are normally in a system for 5 mins, max, if they aren't just warping to the gate in the first place. The belts are empty. Hell, there's even NPC BC spawns on the gates most of the time because no one bothers to engage them, they just keep patrolling for peeps to gank or are too busy making sure they're warping to zero perfectly so they -don't- get ganked. We could really use a low SP PVP instance. Don't whine to me because I'm asking for something that takes away from your gank time. Move out of low sec and get into 0.0 like the rest of the men. Of course this could be "by design" to help people get used to getting ganked in 0.0, but w/e. EVE's PvP game play wold be shaken if a instance were created. Just like WoW, world PvP would subside - not entirely because this is EVE, but it would never be the same ever again. You would have alliances struggling to encourage players who are spending there time in these worthless 'battlegrounds' instead of fighting wars to help the alliance survive and succeed. --- -- It would be like an alliance war is going to happen. People need to form fleets, but wait... everyones in empire? gasp You tell your members they need to scoot over to 0.0 NOW or there will be no chance in hell this war would be won. In the next day, several hundred million-billion ISK are expended for logistics to move players and ships from empire, back into 0.0 for a fleet war. Only three-quarters of the usual attendance show up. It's the day to fight, your fleet get's raped. The other alliance had the same issue - however they had 3000 members, your alliance only had 1000 members. Over several weeks later, this war continues and your alliance loses almost every given situation. Your alliance members make it obvouis they are not interested in fighting the war - the alliance disbands. Many other smaller alliances suffer this same fate across the galaxy, major alliances thrive and double in size. Goonswarm in particular thrives because the remaining active 0.0 fighter pilots are in so much quantity, all the other neighboring small alliances stand no chance. You are having 200 v 100 man goon vs. whatever fights turn into 100 v 20 man fights. --- -- Some may consider blob fights and capital wars boring, I couldn't agree more - however it's for a good cause, its a long-term fight and it's worth it in the long run. At least one of those blob fights will be a massive slaughter for the enemy at some point, and you along with all your wingmates will be laughing your ass off about how much you just bankrupted that alliance. Opening a 'battleground' in empire would make things even laggier there than they already are. Can you imagine what it would be like on Saturday with a extra couple thousand pilots from 0.0 up in empire in battlegrounds? /endrant Ok - my recommendation, if this were to ever truly be considered - is to make a PvP deadspace complex - for noobies only. You could call it a training complex. These complexes would have SP limits and ship limits. They would have ship limits (limits to how many players enter). I would say these complexes would range from your starting 900,000SP all the way up to 10,000,000 SP. After that point, you can't get in anymore and need to move out of the nursery and PvP like a man in low sec or 0.0 - PvP that has drive and reason, not some watered down karate match for weak carebears. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Zurrar Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.04.25 20:05:00 - [47] EVERY ship and player has a place in pvp gangs, to the lonely little frig, to the mighty battle ship. the key is knowing where you belong. you buy isk, buy the mighty battle ship. you fit it with the best named mods that you can fit. and you expect to live and fight with four year old players. you fail. follow sig Originally by: Darla Dawson Quit, and go play wow I slaughter the english language better than a isk farmer. I love you.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.04.25 20:07:00 - [48] Shaded servers to giev small lag, mabe or yse. PVP intances, no pwease. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Go veot! Put vioce for silient majoriety. LOVE PVP, HATE grief
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.04.25 20:13:00 - [49] Originally by: Dani Leone Originally by: Waukesha Originally by: MotherMoon it's called the test server. This. End subject. So how many noobs will have their accounts active on the test server in the first few days after joining Eve? Not many I'd guess, and when the transfer occurs their skills are likely to be way out of date, and for a young character just a couple of days can make a large difference in capability. So forget posting 'test server' and feeling all smug about yourself, as it clearly isn't an option for the vast majority of noobs. The OP (if he isn't trolling) needs to go find a corp to join who will help him learn the ropes and help out with frigate costs etc. Or as some other helpful folks have pointed out, join up for classes with Agony, or maybe join Eve Uni. There is nothing he needs to learn that he can't get from the main server and its better for him to realise it now and decide to go do it for himself, instead of calling on ccp to shield him away from the game he says he wants to play. ( :P btw ) The test server is like a battleground arena sorta, but a really cheap crappy made one from scratch. Rules are not always enforced, and it's NOTHING like what you would ever see in a million years on TQ where PvP matters and you have to pay for it yourself, you don't but your ships for 100isk/pu. The test server is only truly a way to test a new ship fit, or a theory, or design a POS and/or test a POS. The FFA arenas on SiSi always have the same crap, everyones in tanked out battleships in FFA1. If you go in a high damage ship, your can't kill almost every target fast enough - and chances are you have 4-5 guys from the same corp teamed up and will primary you. So - even though its a 'free-for-all' - you really need to team up with players to actually last long enough there to practice. I only ever use SiSi to test things, and if I train I will do a arranged match with another pilot who is looking for the same thing, or some people I know. We can then simulate a real situation you would have on TQ. If we want a fleet-blob test, we can always team up and go into FFA1 - however I is still nothing at all like the real thing on TQ. In response to the EVE-Uni comment... well, not a response - it created another line of thought for me. To the original poster - why don't you set up a tournament within your corporation? Corporations can openly fire apon another you know without any consequences with concord. I have done this before, though we used it for training purposes mostly. Pick a system, or a chain of systems - and set up your match, rules, restrictions however the hell you want. Your corporation mates show, you assign them to teams (if there is teams) and then start the race. You then have the controlled, soft, watered-down PvP that you wanted. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Miss Xerox	Posted - 2008.04.25 20:16:00 - [50] Originally by: Sharp Feather Edited by: Sharp Feather on 25/04/2008 00:36:38 You know whats so awesome about video games? Its the fact that you can have a good bit of fun whitout the consequence. Its so sad that I cant jump in an instance and try and learn how to pvp whitout losing ships to massive GANG BANG one sided 4 years old characters. That's how eve works, if you can't gank them don't go near them even if you've got a 20% better strength of force. There is only one type of PvP in eve: Gank. Nothing else exists. As always I find it hilarious whenever a war is declared by a 'PvP corp/alliance' and when someone shows up in their system they dock up faster than macros can cloak, then proceed to smack like schoolkids from behind station walls. Uuber PvPers, they call themselves, while we sit outside outnumbered 3 to 1 or more and twiddle our thumbs. o7 Blackguards
Dotard Minmatar Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.25 20:55:00 - [51] I believe the OP's objective was to convey that without something to nerf blobbing, bubble camping and HICs, EvE is broken. I concur. I maintain 0.0 became broken with the introduction of bubbles. Overpowered griefing tool is all it is. Lowsec then became broken with the introduction of HICs. Another OPGT for the blobbers. You just cannot play without a blob anymore in these areas.
Acies Invictus Neoteric War Syndicate Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.25 21:08:00 - [52] Instanced content, in of itself, is not bad. For a game like EVE is just does not work. But instances allow players who don't have time to: gate camp, scan hunt, fleet up, etc. to get in some PvP. I have yet to be able to jump into EVE for a half hour and pew pew then run with any satisfaction. Instances allow players to do just that. It's actually why I am slightly excited about WAR (Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning). There is instanced content, but the vast majority is dynamic. Back to topic. EVE is fine the way it is regarding lack of instancing. EVE is a harsh, realistic universe. And it's better for it. _______________________________________________ Human beings didn't evolve brains in order to lie around on lakes. Killing's the first thing we learned. And a good thing we did, or we'd be dead,
Felysta Sandorn Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.25 21:52:00 - [53] Actually, if done right, this could be pretty good... Think of it less as 'PvP Instances' or 'Battlegrounds' if you will (yes, I've played WoW, I'm a hardcore gamer, you expect me not to try out a game 50x the popularity of my favourite game in the world?). Think of it as a 'Combat Simulator'. Here's how it'd work: You can go in and select your mode 1vs1, 2vs2 etc up to 10vs10. It then searches a matchmaking system, and gives you and your team 10 minutes to choose a set of ships, based on the points system from the alliance tournements. During this time, all users are hooked up to EVE-Voice and through a special new window, either an FC can be chosen, or people can just fight for the best ships before the points run out. Once the FC is chosen, he/she can put characters in to their respective ships, depending on that person's skills (you can list 10 of your strengths for example, or 5 preferred ships). These skills would not have anything to do with your skills within EVE itself, but would be rewarded based on your combat skills within the simulator. Now we have the basics sorted out, I should point out that the important element here is that what you do in the simulator does not affect your character outside the simulator, HOWEVER your actions in the real EVE universe will affect your character inside the simulator. Within the simulator, you would be able to buy insta-train skills, and note that these skill-sets would be a much simpler version of the current skills. For example, you get 'Amarr Frigate', just like in game now, but when you train this, it allows you to use all the racial guns for that frigate as well, meaning basically, you'll be able to fully fit a punisher with 'Amarr Frigate' trained in the simulator. The currency? We don't want to make another ISK sink or faucet, so we'll make a new currency for these simulators. Call them 'Kill Points' or KPs. The 'Amarr Frigate' skill as previously described would cost 5 KPs. To get a KP within the simulator, you have to kill an enemy. Killing an enemy frigate will award you 1 KP, a cruiser will award you 2, and a BS will award you 3 KPs. This would be where real PvP overshines the simulator, as a frigate kill in the real world of EVE, due to the risk versus reward factor would score you 5 KPs. Naturally, this means that a real PvPer would be able to jump right in at the deep end in the combat simulator, where a new player would be introduced gradually to the world of PvP. The reward? Not much to be honest. Giving players a reward for no risk is just insane! Their reward would be more KPs to advance their character to the next level within the combat simulator, but outside of the simulator, they wouldn't have much to show. Perhaps implementing some form of merit system similar to that in Battlefield or PlanetSide would work. It doesn't add to your character in any way, but perhaps a little section on your character sheet where you could show off your three best merits (ie 'Elite Solo Cruiser Killer' for 100 1v1 cruiser kills, or 'Advanced Logistics' for 20 group PvP wins in a logistics ship). The specifics? Well for a start, you limit the combat simulator as much as possible. You don't want to give people the full EVE experience without undocking. So only t1 ships (perhaps logistics as well), and only t1 modules are available. No capital ships, no officer or faction gear, a seperate killmail area (that can't be posted on boards), no pods/podkills, no loot. Just fighting at the most basic of levels. Oh, and I mentioned killmails? Something like this would be appropriate: Quote: 2008-04-25 22:47 Victim: Felysta Sandorn Level: 4 Ship: Omen Aggressors: Player: darth solo Level: 35 Ship: Rifter Player: Kinsy Level: 1 Ship: Shuttle Like I said, do it properly, limit it right, and it could be an awesome stepping stone to bring new players in to the world of PvP, and give older players something to play with as well! And for alliance tourney practice sessions! :) Latest Video, Click Here!
Illwill Bill Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.25 22:05:00 - [54] I'm a big fan of non-consensual PvP (I need to pop those haulers to finance the real battles), so I don't want any major changes in EVE's PvP system; however, a system for dueling without security loss could be useful. That way two people would be able to agree on a fight without having to risk being concorded or killed by low-sec sentries unless you flip cans first. ____________________ Honk if you think that I'm a n00b Lance fighter > Honk.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.25 22:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Illwill Bill I'm a big fan of non-consensual PvP (I need to pop those haulers to finance the real battles), so I don't want any major changes in EVE's PvP system; however, a system for dueling without security loss could be useful. That way two people would be able to agree on a fight without having to risk being concorded or killed by low-sec sentries unless you flip cans first. Um you can do this. Drop a can with 1 round of ammo, label it "duel". CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Schani Kratnorr x13	Posted - 2008.04.25 23:14:00 - [56] Originally by: Benco97 Everyone started PVP without a clue, newbies these days HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD. This is the truth. I started first week into launch. I was there for the "let's all mine in rookieships"-phase. I was there when the first cruisers and battleships started appearing. I was there when 100K ISK was a lot of money I was there, well you get the picture. EVE has to be hard. We're playing the role of the priviledged few able to escape the confines of crowded planets. We can never die (clones), and we get the best insurance-policy in the known universe. Whatever your level of skillpoints isk and experience, EVE is a harsh place. For the unwize, unlucky or unprepared death comes swiftly. Often in the form of "I could'nt do anything"-ganks. Sure they arent fun. They can leave you hovering your mouse on the "screw this"-button and (in rare cases) guide you to post threads on forums shudder Here are my rules, take 'em or leave 'em. They serve me well. 1. undock = death 2. all relevant skills at IV before taking your new toy out 3. effort = ISK. time = skillpoints. ISK + Skillpoints = win 4. RL is more important than EVE (periodical exemptions from rule allowed) I am sure I have other rules, but these four are the ones that pop into mind.
Hannobaal Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.26 00:16:00 - [57] Originally by: Dotard I believe the OP's objective was to convey that without something to nerf blobbing, bubble camping and HICs, EvE is broken. I concur. I maintain 0.0 became broken with the introduction of bubbles. Overpowered griefing tool is all it is. Lowsec then became broken with the introduction of HICs. Another OPGT for the blobbers. You just cannot play without a blob anymore in these areas. That's funny, cause I play alone without a problem both in low-sec and 0.0. Have done so for the last one and a half month or so. My corp is just me and 2 alts. And I do just fine.
Saori Rei Gallente Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.04.26 02:47:00 - [58] Want to improve EvE? Here's how! 1) PVP flags. If you want pvp, a little red flag appears on your ship. If you dont you get a white one and are invincible. 2) Seperate servers. One for PvP, one for PvE just like UO had... has? 3) With every subscription one gets a free 14 days on hello kitty online. Even better, playing HKO for at least a month provides you with a unique code for the Hello Kitty faction ship of your race. Imagine that! Now THAT will boost PVP... pastel pink Gallente Hyperions.... twitch Ugh going to go wash my brain out with soap and get back to PROPER PvP... twitch
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.26 03:25:00 - [59] u just go and play WoW... and leave PvP in EVE as it is... geez, really... "I'm mining - i'm invulnerable" ...WTF?!?!...
Frida Frogger	Posted - 2008.04.26 03:55:00 - [60] Originally by: Benco97 Everyone started PVP without a clue, newbies these days HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD. No wai! Its harder now, cuz there are more experienced ones as time passes the gap is bigger. We who are newbies can never reach the same level, so have only one option to beat older players in pvp, and its to join up with those with more experience better ships etc. But thats a good deal and thats where alliances come in. However some alliances do not accept newbies, and those alliances should burn. So many noobi3s come then to another alliance where they be accepted en masse, and they go out and kill everything. And btw those noobi3s3s are called Goons. hehe
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.04.26 04:14:00 - [61] The guys saying "Its so hard cause we have no SP" are dead wrong. It's really hard for you cause you don't have experience. Back when I first started PvP (I'd been playing for around 6 months at the time and my char was just learning t2 drones and med guns, you get so much starting skills now!) so I fitted out a t1 cruiser one night and with a friend we roamed a losec system killing all who opposed us. Well I quickly realized after going from nearly 5 sec status to -1 in a single night that I was gonna need an alt, or a ISK source in losec and as my alliance had a strict no piracy policy at the time (which I'd just spent all night disobeying) I decided I needed an alt. After all I was addicted. So I started an alt, trained him to fit small guns, med nos, medium armor rep, and gallente cruiser and use t1 drones. Tackle took an agonizing 2 days to train. Took him out for his first night in losec. I bought nothing but pure tech1 gear for him and insured the Vexor I bought him. Soon I was attacked by two 1 year old players in a Wolf each. They attacked I'm sure thinking "Oh look, another 2 week old noob corper ratting in losec..." They both went home in pods (they knew to warp em!). So STFU seriously. Been there done that kicked ass. Filmed it too. It is NOT harder for you, there were plenty of high skill PvPers around when I started. Stop whining, and get out there and kick some ass yourself, it's really not that hard. PvPers aren't special, they've just got the guts to put it on the line and take a risk for fun. After all it is a game. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.04.26 05:12:00 - [62] Originally by: Saori Rei Want to improve EvE? Here's how! 1) PVP flags. If you want pvp, a little red flag appears on your ship. If you dont you get a white one and are invincible. 2) Seperate servers. One for PvP, one for PvE just like UO had... has? 3) With every subscription one gets a free 14 days on hello kitty online. Even better, playing HKO for at least a month provides you with a unique code for the Hello Kitty faction ship of your race. Imagine that! Now THAT will boost PVP... pastel pink Gallente Hyperions.... twitch Ugh going to go wash my brain out with soap and get back to PROPER PvP... twitch Yea - I'd love to see how the markets and supply would be with that. And what 0.0 would be like. And what the whole point of half of the items of the market are (like cloaking devices). And what the point of capitals are. And... you get the point :P ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.26 05:27:00 - [63] I don't think instancing would fix the problem with fleets that the game suffers right now. In fact it could make the problem worse actually.
Diek Ran Amarr Autonums	Posted - 2008.04.26 05:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Sharp Feather Carebear? Carebear? Ahahah you guys make me laugh sooOooO hard when you are all throwing ''you are a carebear'' at each other. You are all carebears and If it wasnt the case everyone would run around alone and shot at each other just worrying about how to have more fun. In this point I stick with the OP. Too many people in this game are something like this: New. Join a corp. Beg for a cruiser and ISK like there's no tomorrow. Spam the corp channel with random crap. Fly out with a gang. Camp a gate. Call everybody and everything that they don't understand a CAREBEAR. Only fly FOTM, and when left alone, cry in corp channel. But yeah, right, they pvp :/ __________________________________ Originally by: Verlyn I know it's my own fault, BUT THATS NOT THE POINT!
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:20:00 - [65] absolute bull... even a 1 month old noob can kill a 3 year old given proper circumstances... if u create a minmatar pvp char, u can fly a MAD rifter with t2 guns real soon... in the end it is all about your experience in game at flying the ship/using the mods on your ship... and pvp is not about killing the other guy, but actually out-living him, or if he's too strong for you, getting out of the fight u are bound to lose, and fight it some time later on your terms. and having a bigger ship does not make you the tougher guy in a fight, only makes u a bigger target, unless u know how to fly the Goddamn thing
Dr Slaughter Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.05 00:58:00 - [66] In reply to the OPs title.. Every grid is an instance, or near as dam it.
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.05 04:15:00 - [67] In case you never noticed, Eve changed from being a game about tactical fighting (small scale - pilot skill means a lot), to stragetic (very large scale - pilot skill means very little.) This is also part of the reason the game has become extremely ****IN BORING. but that's the way it is. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Buyerr	Posted - 2008.05.05 04:45:00 - [68] a pvp area would be nice though. I declare war on stupidity
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.05 04:46:00 - [69] Originally by: Buyerr a pvp area would be nice though. Test server. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Grapez Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2008.05.05 04:50:00 - [70] Originally by: "OP" make pvp instance No.
Fredior Khan'Sebies Minmatar Mikramurka Solace	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:00:00 - [71] Edited by: Fredior Khan''Sebies on 05/05/2008 05:01:20 Edited by: Fredior Khan''Sebies on 05/05/2008 05:00:29 OK, how about this: When ambulation hits include simulators of Eve in stations where ships and items cost 100 ISK each using variable skill levels agreed upon beforehand (10 mill sps, 5 mill sps, just as you are, etc) AND PEOPLE CAN WATCH AND BET ON THE OUTCOMES!!!! There. A mechanic that ties into CCP's beloved Ambulation, combines violent spectator sport with gambling, gives newbies a chance to "try out" ships/fittings in Eve and learn the pvp ropes (at least how the ship will react), and not actually instance "real" pvp. It is immersive, it can be the basis of events, etc. Hell, I used to do something similar in real life involving Martian death races, pods and a betting parlor-type situation. And if it would take too many people from SiSi, limit how often these ambulation sim combat betting parlors are open for business. Edit Edit: Anyone else out there remember the Virtual Geographic League? (I fail at editing)
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Stickler inc	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:02:00 - [72] That's actually not a bad idea. Just wait for Jita to get packed out tho. Organised 1v1, 2v2, 4v4 etc matches.
Fredior Khan'Sebies Minmatar Mikramurka Solace	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:04:00 - [73] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg That's actually not a bad idea. Just wait for Jita to get packed out tho. Organised 1v1, 2v2, 4v4 etc matches. If that is a concern, have it be a "station service" only seeded in less used highsec systems away from the hubs.
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:20:00 - [74] frigs, join a corp, can bait? Honestly, I throw away t2 fitted frigs now because I cba'd to give a damn about em. I also pvp in a t2 mammoth, just because it is small/cheap, doesnt mean it is bad. You're right, them 4 yr old chars are at EVERY GATE, and dispite the fact the game is growing, meaning an influx of newbies for you to shoot, eve is going to hell. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature
Xunlao Blackthorne Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:41:00 - [75] That is crazy, leave eve alone. lol
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.05 16:07:00 - [76] aye/....sadly the big boys with 2,3,4 years of game time(even the 5 year ones) are so well skilled by now, the easiest thing for them is to camp gates and gank the noobier folk that come near... It's always been like that...The big muscly guy sits with his huge club and whips his little skinny slave to bring him the vine faster...The skinny little slave puts some laxative in the vine and rejoices his master's inbound run to toilet.(but not the whipping afterwards)....
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.05 16:42:00 - [77] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg That's actually not a bad idea. Just wait for Jita to get packed out tho. Organised 1v1, 2v2, 4v4 etc matches. so set it up
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:05:00 - [78] I'm not a big ship to ship pvp fan but... lets not, the part where ur not truely 100% safe in this game no matter where u go, is what makes it attractive impo. If u want instances, there are other MMOG's out there for u to play, have fun doing them. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Iriana McNuke	Posted - 2008.05.05 18:08:00 - [79] Originally by: Benco97 Everyone started PVP without a clue, newbies these days HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD. I've made a lot of mistakes since I started to play EVE. Like any idiot noob I tried to fight can-flippers, and ninja-salvagers. I tried to "duel" taking baits form cans - I allways was amazed of how many ships suddenly appear after you flash red lol - and ofc I failed. Yes, there is a great deal of information available on forums and in specific websites, you can learn from your mistakes and you can refit your ship properly. You can also see what skills you neglected and train them acordingly. But... what chances do I have against a 4 yrs old player with electronics / mechanics / gunnery / drones / nav / etc trained to 5? Even he's stationary, he still kicks my sorry arse. Hell, he only locks me and I take permanent damage, lol. If we fight in the same ships, I'm toast - is obvious. If I fight in a ship that exploits a flaw design of his ship, he disengages (ofc). My only chance is to pick easy targets, or the allmighty gank. And if you come and tell me "gank = pvp", then you do have a problem, really. ----------------------------------------------- I know I'm not insane, the voices told me so.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.05 18:33:00 - [80] Edited by: Patch86 on 05/05/2008 18:33:58 You can max out pretty much all the skills required for a given specific ship fitting in just a few million SP. These big 60 million SP players are barely any better than you'll be with that maxed out fitting, because it's maxed out. The rest of their 60 million SP are them having maxed out other fittings, giving them some choice. Providing you specialise, you can be pretty much the tippity top in a given form of combat within 6 months of creating a pilot. Pretty much the entire purpose of the SP system is not, as in WoW or D&D or Everquest, a measure of how powerful your character is. All SP is is a method of unlocking new content. You need SP to unlock the use of a given ship or module, but thats about it. A few skills will give you a few % per level bonus in some thing or other, and it does probably mount up, but it's nothing decisive; it's mostly just a consolation for grinding through a 6 week training list, giving you something to look forward too before the final minutes. A well kitted tactically-savvy newbie in an appropriate set up will still beat a 60 million SP veteran in the wrong ship or with crappy tactics, bonuses or not. The only real limiting factor in EVE is money. A pilot with a lot of money can afford to fly the finest T2- and officer-fitted ships, while a pilot without a lot of money will have to settle for cheaper options. An officer-fitted ship has a massive edge over an identical T1-fitted version. But then, money has little to do with SP or play-time. I've been playing for years, and I don't think I've ever had more than 250 million in the wallet at any given time; I know 6 month pilots who are already in to billion-sized sums. That 6 month pilot could kick my ass in PvP if he brings an expensive ship and setup and knew how to use it; my bargain basement ships wouldn't stand a chance. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Grec	Posted - 2008.05.05 21:21:00 - [81] I'd like some of that, I don't have much time to be in a corp because of work and family. my pvp experience in this game goes like this: searching some pvp in low sec alone and lo behold, i always get jumped by a gang of T2 ships executing your behind in a matter of seconds. or absolutely no people to find. so to have some pvp in this game you can't be casual and have to play hours on end? just this is getting more and more of a factor to decide wether to play further or not in my situation. Too bad because really like this game (played UO in the beginning years so i like the consequences) but i just want some easy to get into pvp with fair fights instead of the overkill execution squads you face here. You may look WoW and the other MMO's down, but it has more instant gratification then this game ever will offer.
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:23:00 - [82] Edited by: Benedic on 05/05/2008 23:24:02 Another vote for the test server, it's basically what every person that cries about losing expensive ships wants. You can even post the killmails somewhere if it makes you feel better. The downside of course is that there isn't much action on sisi in the 'lower sp oriented' FFAs. Your 'instanced' pvp is already there. If you don't want to blob/get blobbed/kill noobs on TQ then I suggest you stay on sisi or find a new game. There is solo pvp to be had on TQ, but unless you strictly fly nano setups you are going to lose a lot in the process of finding it. The most fun you can have in this game is jumping blind solo in a battleship and killing until you die. Although it does start to get expensive when you encounter so many skill blobs with at least 2 falcons and a curse.
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:51:00 - [83] haven't read much of the this thread past the OP, but i just would like to point out that solo pvp is very difficult in eve due to ship roles and the wide variety of tactics. small gangs are best for an "even match" - unlike in WoW where all the classes are much more balanced for 1 vs 1 combat. as a side effect, since they have to use a gang anyway, why not a BIG gang if the people are available? the end result is that solo players are forced to find opportunities to gank weak targets, or to jump on the bandwagon and join the big fleets. honestly, from the carebear point of view, gang pvp is much more fun and probably the only means to reliably engage in pvp at all.... safety in numbers, guidance from experienced FC's, clearly defined roles, planned strategies, teamwork, etc. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:02:00 - [84] Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 06/05/2008 00:03:39 Originally by: Iriana McNuke Originally by: Benco97 Everyone started PVP without a clue, newbies these days HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD. I've made a lot of mistakes since I started to play EVE. Like any idiot noob I tried to fight can-flippers, and ninja-salvagers. I tried to "duel" taking baits form cans - I allways was amazed of how many ships suddenly appear after you flash red lol - and ofc I failed. Yes, there is a great deal of information available on forums and in specific websites, you can learn from your mistakes and you can refit your ship properly. You can also see what skills you neglected and train them acordingly. But... what chances do I have against a 4 yrs old player with electronics / mechanics / gunnery / drones / nav / etc trained to 5? Even he's stationary, he still kicks my sorry arse. Hell, he only locks me and I take permanent damage, lol. If we fight in the same ships, I'm toast - is obvious. If I fight in a ship that exploits a flaw design of his ship, he disengages (ofc). My only chance is to pick easy targets, or the allmighty gank. And if you come and tell me "gank = pvp", then you do have a problem, really. I absolutely see your point. But for example... Train the energy emission skills. dedicate solely to that. get into a cruiser or battle-cruiser. fit some medium/heavy energy neutralizers... pretend to be ratting in low sec. have another friend with ecm skills nearby just in case... and let that ganker pirate in a megathron jump you. as soon as he's there, NEUT the fk out of his cap, let your ecm friend come in and jamm the poor sucker a bit. And let him boil in his anger! or simply, laugh at him. and he can be 10 years old, for all it matters. And to take it to next level? have a few buddies with DPS, and kill him/ransom him. Have the revenge for all those noobs that have been fd up the ae by those bored gankers. but i do agree, u don't stand a chance against a much more experienced player in 1v1 unless u know what to expect from him. But it would also be VERY VERY unfair to him to be killed by a 3 month old noob, after training 4 years to have what he has. EVE is EXTREMELY realistic on that part. take for example: Give a MIG-29 to an Iraqi pilot that has 100 hours of flying and let him combat a Russian combat pilot in a MIG-21(much, much older aircraft) with 10-15 years of active flying combat aircrafts. what u think which one will use the parachute(or the Pod, as we quazi-pilots have)... EDIT: I have also tried to fight can-flippers...never did any good against them either, just grew past them...
Bad Harlequin Minmatar Chiroptera Factor	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:19:00 - [85] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 06/05/2008 00:19:28 aagh stop stop stop! thread necromancy! it was 8 weeks* dead and someone ***sed gasoline on the smouldering embers while there's lots of fun stuff we can do in ADDITION to the way eve is... um.. the op basically says people who've been playing longer can usually kill people new to the game. um. yes. and my mowhawk is red. next statement? hell i've been here many years and you can probably kill me anyway. many people do. take a number and lose a lot of frigs learning to fly and/or work with people who can show you some tricks. edit: days. meant days. wishful thinking...
Vin Fell Globaltech Industries	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:25:00 - [86] Was frustrated and angry and I logged out of EVE, and TS and Vent. Just lost 50mill in ships(2) in less than 9 minutes. I just read the entire thread here, and I'm going to give it another go. This is a fresh wind and excellent topic. Thanks!
Iriana McNuke	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:34:00 - [87] Originally by: Corwain The guys saying "Its so hard cause we have no SP" are dead wrong. It's really hard for you cause you don't have experience. Back when I first started PvP (I'd been playing for around 6 months at the time and my char was just learning t2 drones and med guns, you get so much starting skills now!) so I fitted out a t1 cruiser one night and with a friend we roamed a losec system killing all who opposed us. Well I quickly realized after going from nearly 5 sec status to -1 in a single night that I was gonna need an alt, or a ISK source in losec and as my alliance had a strict no piracy policy at the time (which I'd just spent all night disobeying) I decided I needed an alt. After all I was addicted. So I started an alt, trained him to fit small guns, med nos, medium armor rep, and gallente cruiser and use t1 drones. Tackle took an agonizing 2 days to train. Took him out for his first night in losec. I bought nothing but pure tech1 gear for him and insured the Vexor I bought him. Soon I was attacked by two 1 year old players in a Wolf each. They attacked I'm sure thinking "Oh look, another 2 week old noob corper ratting in losec..." They both went home in pods (they knew to warp em!). So STFU seriously. Been there done that kicked ass. Filmed it too. It is NOT harder for you, there were plenty of high skill PvPers around when I started. Stop whining, and get out there and kick some ass yourself, it's really not that hard. PvPers aren't special, they've just got the guts to put it on the line and take a risk for fun. After all it is a game. I hope you don't mind if I find your post... umm... somewhat unrealistic. I'm not saying you are some kind of lier. I'm assuming you are telling the truth. 2 players of 1 yr old in T2 frigs, trying to kill a 2 weeks newb pilot in a T1 cruiser and failing... that shows a tremendous lack of skill. Even the wannabe yarrs gate campers can do better, really. Anyway, my point was: players at my skill level are not dueling or pvp-ing. They are ganking, blobing, robbing or whatever. Only old players are interested in 1:1's. But like I said before, there is no chance for me to actually win such fight. And to engage just to see in how much time I pop... c'mon. shrug I guess baiting the can-flippers with a ganksprey is the only way to get some action without being gang-raped.
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:39:00 - [88] Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 06/05/2008 14:40:54 Originally by: Iriana McNuke Originally by: Corwain The guys saying "Its so hard cause we have no SP" are dead wrong. It's really hard for you cause you don't have experience. Back when I first started PvP (I'd been playing for around 6 months at the time and my char was just learning t2 drones and med guns, you get so much starting skills now!) so I fitted out a t1 cruiser one night and with a friend we roamed a losec system killing all who opposed us. Well I quickly realized after going from nearly 5 sec status to -1 in a single night that I was gonna need an alt, or a ISK source in losec and as my alliance had a strict no piracy policy at the time (which I'd just spent all night disobeying) I decided I needed an alt. After all I was addicted. So I started an alt, trained him to fit small guns, med nos, medium armor rep, and gallente cruiser and use t1 drones. Tackle took an agonizing 2 days to train. Took him out for his first night in losec. I bought nothing but pure tech1 gear for him and insured the Vexor I bought him. Soon I was attacked by two 1 year old players in a Wolf each. They attacked I'm sure thinking "Oh look, another 2 week old noob corper ratting in losec..." They both went home in pods (they knew to warp em!). So STFU seriously. Been there done that kicked ass. Filmed it too. It is NOT harder for you, there were plenty of high skill PvPers around when I started. Stop whining, and get out there and kick some ass yourself, it's really not that hard. PvPers aren't special, they've just got the guts to put it on the line and take a risk for fun. After all it is a game. I hope you don't mind if I find your post... umm... somewhat unrealistic. I'm not saying you are some kind of lier. I'm assuming you are telling the truth. 2 players of 1 yr old in T2 frigs, trying to kill a 2 weeks newb pilot in a T1 cruiser and failing... that shows a tremendous lack of skill. Even the wannabe yarrs gate campers can do better, really. Anyway, my point was: players at my skill level are not dueling or pvp-ing. They are ganking, blobing, robbing or whatever. Only old players are interested in 1:1's. But like I said before, there is no chance for me to actually win such fight. And to engage just to see in how much time I pop... c'mon. shrug I guess baiting the can-flippers with a ganksprey is the only way to get some action without being gang-raped. If u are already a caldari... and u like to kill can-flippers... Get into a Rokh(everyone knows it's more of a mining ship then a real combat ship)...fit only one mining laser, and fit the rest with blasters, webs, scramms, and tracking mods...let that can flipper get*****y and come close enough...then u have fun.

CCP Eris Discordia	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:43:00 - [89] Instanced pvp goes against the very first design principles of EVE, the core of EVE. If we would change that it would change the very nature of the game we love. No single shard No instance Just one harsh, brtual universe where your highs and lows mean something real. Pink Dread has been hijacked

Areah Mar'khet Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:54:00 - [90] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Instanced pvp goes against the very first design principles of EVE, the core of EVE. If we would change that it would change the very nature of the game we love. No single shard No instance Just one harsh, brtual universe where your highs and lows mean something real. ^ What the lady said. Instance pvp is stupid. you are now reading my signature
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:59:00 - [91] Originally by: Vin Fell Was frustrated and angry and I logged out of EVE, and TS and Vent. Just lost 50mill in ships(2) in less than 9 minutes. I just read the entire thread here, and I'm going to give it another go. This is a fresh wind and excellent topic. Thanks! Heh bro... have u ever lost 5 cormorants within one hour(when your wallet balance is just above 1mill ISK) and you are a lvl1 mission runner, week or two old? THAT IS CALLED FRUSTRATION. bloody worlds collide mission... As for losing a lot of ISK in short time: Mining fitted rokh(with real good tank tho), with rigs and all stuff t2... so u go to 0.0 station system to dock after a day of hard work...And u get a sleipnir, crow, wolf, and some HAC(can't remmember what it was). They try to kill u for 5 minutes, and no one is there to come and help u out. Finally u die, altogether with about 200+millISK in ship+modules. Few days before that- fleet fight, fully rigged drake(mass tank). u sit on a gate, try to jump through, but due to lagg all u have is 15 ships pounding on you, and the message "session change already in progress" to make u boil...And petition response "we didn't find anything wrong in our logs, sorry for your loss". next day,I am in a belt, with a mark 2 rigged badger, hauling the loot from hauler spawn. rats respawn, i am out of belt, halfway in warp(many, many AU from that belt) and I get message "guristas abolisher scourge missile hits u doing WTF damage...and instead of having a badger docking, i have a pod to stare at in bewilderment...The best one tho? Rigged raven, ratting one. Finished ratting, let's go to POS and log out. enough isk made for the day. logged out at POS. next day - my pod warps from somewhere in space to the POS spot I logged out at. again-"nothing wrong with our logs, sorry for loss"...Noone had access to my account. SO I STARTED PLAYING WoW TO COOL OFF...DIED SO MANY TIMES NEVER LOST ONE BIT OF MONEY, OR ITEMS. YAWN...4 weeks later back to EVE, my wallet hits 600 mill, i got another fleet of caldari battleships(all three), full rack of throwaway cruisers, frigates, let's go! (lost all of them by now, tho...) The game rolls hard over ya if u don't look at it from the bright side... Don't quit to a few insignificant losses. grow past it, and have fun when u lose really expensive stuff.
Kherie Kali Amarr Hello KItty Entrepreneurs	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:00:00 - [92] Edited by: Kherie Kali on 06/05/2008 15:00:59 Originally by: Saori Rei Want to improve EvE? Here's how! 1) PVP flags. If you want pvp, a little red flag appears on your ship. If you dont you get a white one and are invincible. 2) Seperate servers. One for PvP, one for PvE just like UO had... has? 3) With every subscription one gets a free 14 days on hello kitty online. Even better, playing HKO for at least a month provides you with a unique code for the Hello Kitty faction ship of your race. Imagine that! Now THAT will boost PVP... pastel pink Gallente Hyperions.... twitch Ugh going to go wash my brain out with soap and get back to PROPER PvP... twitch What's wrong with Hello Kitty?
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:02:00 - [93] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Instanced PVP goes against the very first design principles of EVE; the core of EVE. If we would change that it would change the very nature of the game we love. A single shard No instance Just one harsh, brutal universe where your highs and lows mean something real. I can't believe 2 times in a row I agree with a DEV post on some of the topics I am posting on!
mama guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:10:00 - [94] Edited by: mama guru on 06/05/2008 15:10:31 Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Instanced PVP goes against the very first design principles of EVE; the core of EVE. If we would change that it would change the very nature of the game we love. A single shard No instance Just one harsh, brutal universe where your highs and lows mean something real. I Love CCP. You guys wont turn this game into WOW in space, thank you for that. Edit: NINJA, you did not see that
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:17:00 - [95] Edited by: Shadowsword on 06/05/2008 15:21:21 Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Instanced PVP goes against the very first design principles of EVE; the core of EVE. If we would change that it would change the very nature of the game we love. A single shard No instance Just one harsh, brutal universe where your highs and lows mean something real. I understand what you mean, and I agree with the general idea, but since you have a loading time each time you enter a system, isn't Eve in fact a multitude of micro-instances? I don't much love instanced pvp, especially in a game like Eve, but if it's a choice between instanced pvp or laggy pvp, instanced pvp might be the lesser of two evil.
Sharp Feather Gallente Ministry of Natural Resources OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:18:00 - [96] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Instanced PVP goes against the very first design principles of EVE; the core of EVE. If we would change that it would change the very nature of the game we love. A single shard No instance Just one harsh, brutal universe where your highs and lows mean something real. Pffff, casual fun is casual, but fun none the less. Nothing wrong in wanting to log for 1 hour, have some pvp ( talking about pvp here... not gank, rape, gangbang or SPgrampa ) whitout having to refit a ship every time you die in a 10 gate away system plus re-updating a clone and implants. ... and thats only if you find people. Think outside the box, think about it. It wont replace World pvp, since its not permanent... its only an instance. FAT corp that want to fight over territory wont die because of it. We dont ask to take from people we ask you to give. /facepalm

CCP Eris Discordia	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:23:00 - [97] Originally by: Sharp Feather Nothing wrong in wanting to log for 1 hour, have some pvp whitout having to refit a ship every time you die in a 10 gate away system plus re-updating a clone and implants. Try SiSi, Fightclub. Although you do need to refit there as well. We expect to see more casual pvp emerge with the next expansion but it will not be instanced the way you¦d want it. Instance pvp is simply not EVE and we feel very strongly about that.

Sally Bestonge GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:24:00 - [98] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Originally by: Sharp Feather Nothing wrong in wanting to log for 1 hour, have some pvp whitout having to refit a ship every time you die in a 10 gate away system plus re-updating a clone and implants. Try SiSi, Fightclub. Although you do need to refit there as well. We expect to see more casual pvp emerge with the next expansion but it will not be instanced the way you¦d want it. Instance pvp is simply not EVE and we feel very strongly about that. sisi is fun because its easy to fit ships and you dont have to care about losses completely unlike the real game so if you suck try to learn there.
Havohej Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:26:00 - [99] Originally by: Sharp Feather Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Instanced PVP goes against the very first design principles of EVE; the core of EVE. If we would change that it would change the very nature of the game we love. A single shard No instance Just one harsh, brutal universe where your highs and lows mean something real. Pffff, casual fun is casual, but fun none the less. Nothing wrong in wanting to log for 1 hour, have some pvp ( talking about pvp here... not gank, rape, gangbang or SPgrampa ) whitout having to refit a ship every time you die in a 10 gate away system plus re-updating a clone and implants. ... and thats only if you find people. Think outside the box, think about it. It wont replace World pvp, since its not permanent... its only an instance. FAT corp that want to fight over territory wont die because of it. We dont ask to take from people we ask you to give. /facepalm EVE's refusal to have shards and instances IS 'outside the box.' You're asking them to go back INto the box. World of Warcraft has shards and instances - you should play that when you want to PvP without risk of actually LOSING anything. As Eris said, the nature of EVE is that your highs and lows mean something real. This is working as intended. If you want to PvP in EVE, then you're going to have to buy and fit a new ship when you lose, and you might have to buy new implants, too.
Sharp Feather Gallente Ministry of Natural Resources OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:27:00 - [100] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Originally by: Sharp Feather Nothing wrong in wanting to log for 1 hour, have some pvp whitout having to refit a ship every time you die in a 10 gate away system plus re-updating a clone and implants. Try SiSi, Fightclub. Although you do need to refit there as well. We expect to see more casual pvp emerge with the next expansion but it will not be instanced the way you¦d want it. Instance pvp is simply not EVE and we feel very strongly about that. I have no idea what you are talking about and anyway its not theses games ( if they are games ) its EVE I want to play. I understand what you are trying to say anyway... so yeah, w/e, it was just a suggestion, so relax. Just tell me what would be SO BAD about it?
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:28:00 - [101] Originally by: Shadowsword I understand what you mean, and I agree with the general idea, but since you have a loading time each time you enter a system, isn't Eve in fact a multitude of micro-instances? No. Instancing isn't a function of load times, but of extremely limited access, usually that of one person, one designated team, or two designated teams.
Haakelen United Forces Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:33:00 - [102] All the discussion of instancing seems to ignore the fact that to implement it, they'd have to take effort away from other pursuits. Lag reduction, for example. Enhancing sovereignty. Personally, I'd rather see the time spent on improving the current systems than starting an entirely new group of game mechanics that will bring upon new bugs.
Bronson Hughes The. Conspiracy	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:35:00 - [103] Originally by: Sharp Feather Try SiSi, Fightclub. Although you do need to refit there as well. We expect to see more casual pvp emerge with the next expansion but it will not be instanced the way you¦d want it. Instance pvp is simply not EVE and we feel very strongly about that. I have no idea what you are talking about and anyway its not theses games ( if they are games ) its EVE I want to play. I understand what you are trying to say anyway... so yeah, w/e, it was just a suggestion, so relax. Just tell me what would be SO BAD about it? SiSi is the EvE test server where you can go buy any named T1/T2 item for 100isk apiece. It's very easy to learn PvP skills there without losing tons of ISK. Not sure what Fightclub is.

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:59:00 - [104] Fightclub was a corp that existed for combat testing on Sisi. We made it a little easier, and just created the Free For All (FFA) arenas instead.

Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:43:00 - [105] Originally by: Sharp Feather I have no idea what you are talking about and anyway its not theses games ( if they are games ) its EVE I want to play. No, you don't. Proof: This thread.
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:07:00 - [106] Edited by: Siege on 06/05/2008 17:10:37 Edited by: Siege on 06/05/2008 17:08:01 Originally by: Sharp Feather Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Originally by: Sharp Feather Nothing wrong in wanting to log for 1 hour, have some pvp whitout having to refit a ship every time you die in a 10 gate away system plus re-updating a clone and implants. Try SiSi, Fightclub. Although you do need to refit there as well. We expect to see more casual pvp emerge with the next expansion but it will not be instanced the way you¦d want it. Instance pvp is simply not EVE and we feel very strongly about that. I have no idea what you are talking about and anyway its not theses games ( if they are games ) its EVE I want to play. I understand what you are trying to say anyway... so yeah, w/e, it was just a suggestion, so relax. Just tell me what would be SO BAD about it? For one thing, the economy is dependant on high loss rates to function. Every builder and miner out there needs people to be blowing each other up and losing ships. In order to have a player driven economy, you need a market for the goods. If you remove ship and module loss from the game, you will also have destroyed the economic system as well. The other side is that PvP in eve has some meaning to it. All the other battlefield/instanced PvP out there it's just die, respawn, repeat until you get bored. Nobody cares what happens really,. Other than your kill number for this month, I bet it's hard to remember your opponents and individual fights. Eve PvP has an actual impact. You WILL remember that great fight 3 years ago, or those two motherships, or that one alliance you fought for 3 months. Yes, losing is harsh. But.... Isn't winning a big fight THAT much cooler here than the last time you won in "useless Gulch" or whatever it was? Eve was made to be unique in that regard. People start playing for the pretty spaceships. They Keep playing because of the depth of the game. To put it simply, if you move pvp into instances and remove shiploss, you might as well start shopping for the next MMO, because you just killed the game. Ask yourself this, why would players have been going at this for 5 years now? Eve isn't about casual pvp. It's about dedication, persistance, patience, depth, victory, loss, elation, agony, fortitude and chutzpah. It's all that, and just happens to have pretty spaceships in it. I know things seem rough now, but stick with it and eventually you will realize what makes the game great are the very things that you want to change. With dedication comes the rewards. As to SiSi, that is the EVE test server where new ideas and software is tested. Modules and ships are cheap there to facilitate that testing. So you can buy a huge pile of ships, go blowing stuff up, and have some fun there. It's a great place to practice pvp and try out new ship setups. Just remember though, if you see something all goofy to submit a bug report. CCP is nice enough to let us play there, so make sure to return the favor and help them out to fix problems.
Masu'di Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:11:00 - [107] Edited by: Masu''di on 06/05/2008 17:13:22 Originally by: Benco97 Everyone started PVP without a clue, newbies these days HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD. Yes agreed, I grew up in the early years with an unPvPing father. He did not whine. He got in his Rifter and looked for PvP, and he went on looking until he found it!
Peter Powers Master Miners Intruders.	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:42:00 - [108] Edited by: Peter Powers on 06/05/2008 17:42:33 Originally by: Sharp Feather You know whats so awesome about video games? Its the fact that you can have a good bit of fun whitout the consequence. Its so sad that I cant jump in an instance and try and learn how to pvp whitout losing ships to massive GANG BANG one sided 4 years old characters. thats actually why i do play eve, how much is a win worth if you did not win anything? how much is a lose worth if you havent lost anything? its one thing i hated about all other mmo i tried. i do want consequences. i do want the feeling of winning (and losing). i do want competition. if you do not want that - there are hundrets of mmo out there which have your instanced pvp, which have your mikey-mouse-not-losing thing. which have a graveyard where you just stand up. Originally by: Sharp Feather Carebear? Carebear? Ahahah you guys make me laugh sooOooO hard when you are all throwing ''you are a carebear'' at each other. You are all carebears and If it wasnt the case everyone would run around alone and shot at each other just worrying about how to have more fun. actually you did not get what carebear means. also i wont call you carebear, i call you whiner. Originally by: Sharp Feather Lucky me, I can level whitout playing the game which fulfil my MMO hunger whitout whitout losing IRL time. there is no leveling in eve. Originally by: Sharp Feather That being said. Im out. maybe thats better.
Pesadel0 Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:38:00 - [109] No.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:03:00 - [110] Originally by: Pesadel0 No. This TBQFH, every time an MMO adopts instancing God kills a baby kitten, please think of the kittens! -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:59:00 - [111] Originally by: Acies Invictus I'm 3 weeks into the game and I joined a PvP Corp in null sec. Guess what, I learn quickly and rat on the side if I'm broke. It's really not that difficult. Solo PvP is harder. But I did that for a couple weeks and never had grievous loses. Know when to fight and when to flight. Most 0.0 corps are always recruiting. Finding folks willing to fly in 0.0 is like pulling teeth.
Sharp Feather Gallente Ministry of Natural Resources OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 20:09:00 - [112] there is no leveling in eve. AH yeah? Because my drone skill is lvl 5, and cruiser skill is lvl 4... wait, that mean theres levels?! Zomg, STFU already.
Balen Organa Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.06 20:49:00 - [113] My opinion on PVP. Normally I do not like PVP and believe the game should allow a seperation that if someone does not wish to participate they should not have to. In this game it is a bit different and unfotunatly you just have to put up with it. I have seen worse. There are players who seem to make that their profession to gate camp and take out frigates with their battlecruisers. As if that somehow proves something. I've seen 2 battleships and 3 battle cruisers gate camp and destroy 1 cruiser. Again as if that proves something. It proves the mentality of that person or person(s) who kill just for the sake of killing and in the end I shrug, go back to base, purchase another ship, refit and move on. Or I avoid low sec space all together. You have to take it as that and just ignore it. I have not gone to low sec or PVP'd by choice yet. I dont have the money or the ship to do so. As of now I can't see much reason to. Mining in high sec at the moment is much better, some stuff is cheaper but not much, and there is no fun in jumping getting ganked and having to rebuild. I have witnessed some nobility, got webbed, was ready to go down when the opposition stopped seeing I was a new player and simply let me go about my way, but thats not very common. A mark of how well PVP is implemented is whether it adds to the game or takes away from it. In Eve PVP adds to the game since players are allowed to take over certain parts of space and try to keep them. So its well implemented albeit somewhat unbalanced. But in general not too bad. I think the players need to self - police, a policy that rarely works.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:07:00 - [114] Originally by: Balen Organa My opinion on PVP. Normally I do not like PVP and believe the game should allow a seperation that if someone does not wish to participate they should not have to. In this game it is a bit different and unfotunatly you just have to put up with it. I have seen worse. There are players who seem to make that their profession to gate camp and take out frigates with their battlecruisers. As if that somehow proves something. I've seen 2 battleships and 3 battle cruisers gate camp and destroy 1 cruiser. Again as if that proves something. It proves the mentality of that person or person(s) who kill just for the sake of killing and in the end I shrug, go back to base, purchase another ship, refit and move on. Or I avoid low sec space all together. You have to take it as that and just ignore it. I have not gone to low sec or PVP'd by choice yet. I dont have the money or the ship to do so. As of now I can't see much reason to. Mining in high sec at the moment is much better, some stuff is cheaper but not much, and there is no fun in jumping getting ganked and having to rebuild. I have witnessed some nobility, got webbed, was ready to go down when the opposition stopped seeing I was a new player and simply let me go about my way, but thats not very common. A mark of how well PVP is implemented is whether it adds to the game or takes away from it. In Eve PVP adds to the game since players are allowed to take over certain parts of space and try to keep them. So its well implemented albeit somewhat unbalanced. But in general not too bad. I think the players need to self - police, a policy that rarely works. The thing is, you're stopping the PvP comparison befor ethe real PvP bit. EVE is a game of tactics, which is quite unlike what you're likely to find in WoW or similar. If theres a group of 4 people camping a gate, and you jump in, you'll get blown up. But thats not the PvP part. To take part in PvP in EVE, you've got to take teh next step. You get together a small group of your own players, and you try to bust that camp. Or you lure them in to an ambush. Or you set up a trap for them in the next system over. In fact, you don't even need to fit any guns in order to PvP in EVE. One of my very favourite aspects of PvP is in the thrill of the chase. Some of my best PvP experiences have been in trying to figure out ways around gate camps, trying to dash through them and get past without being popped. making the desperate dash over a few systems, with the pirate gang hot on your tale, until you finally get the distance necessary to make a safe spot. This is not only a great deal of fun; in some respects, it's even more fun than just blowing people up. Even the satisfaction of finding an alternate route around a camp is an experience everyone needs to have once. If all you're doing is jumping in to a camp and getting blown up, you haven't really experienced PvP yet.
Peter Powers Master Miners Intruders.	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:07:00 - [115] Originally by: Sharp Feather AH yeah? Because my drone skill is lvl 5, and cruiser skill is lvl 4... wait, that mean theres levels?! Zomg, STFU already. What action is it in eve that raises your skill to a certain Level? You put 'em on Training and train the skills, you dont "level" your character or skill. Ever read any of that ingame text? it sais "Train Skill" not "Level Skill". Thank you.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:19:00 - [116] Edited by: ElCoCo on 06/05/2008 21:22:53 Originally by: Peter Powers Originally by: Sharp Feather AH yeah? Because my drone skill is lvl 5, and cruiser skill is lvl 4... wait, that mean theres levels?! Zomg, STFU already. What action is it in eve that raises your skill to a certain Level? You put 'em on Training and train the skills, you dont "level" your character or skill. Ever read any of that ingame text? it sais "Train Skill" not "Level Skill". Thank you. "Practice" makes you "better". "Playing" enables you to get "better" ships and fit them "better". Having several ships makes you less reluctant to put a few at risk. Whining doesn't raise your skill at all methinks. edit: btw quoting you doesn't seem this is aimed at you
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:15:00 - [117] If u want one hour of pvp one day, then the day before that u should bring your ship equipped for pvp, bring it to low sec, or next door to low sec and log out. next time u wake up, enter low sec, start jumping belts hopeful that u will catch someone u can kill. Hopefully, I'd like u to find me, I don;t like being ganked, but do like to hand out a first class whooping to a wannabe-ganker. And the best part about looking for someone is the adrenaline surge because u know the fight might not end to your convenience.
Killer Kelly Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:26:00 - [118] I joined an alliance about one month into the game and was fully acclimated to small gang warfare in about three weeks. I now am training for ECM ships. 4 year old characters are beatable. You just need to keep your head up. ___________ I Get Money in New Eden Federation
Batolemaeus Caldari Batolemaeus Corp	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:35:00 - [119] Originally by: Shadowsword I understand what you mean, and I agree with the general idea, but since you have a loading time each time you enter a system, isn't Eve in fact a multitude of micro-instances? Yes and no. Eve is not instanced in a way other games are. True, Every solar system is a little "shard", but the important thing is, that there are connections between them. Instancing in Mmos means, that there are certain areas of the game that can exist as multiple copies for different players. One example would be Guildwars, which is heavily instanced. You can't just walk into the instances of others, while in eve you can reach nearly any place any other can visit - at least theoretically.
Ish'Tara	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:45:00 - [120] Edited by: Ish''Tara on 07/05/2008 01:45:54 I agree with OP. Change the PVP to instancing but I'd like to see more changes and I'll list them: - the market should be changed from a free market to an auction house type of market - faction items should be given colours to indicate value and quality - faction and expensive items should be free and available to everyone willing to invest the time in them so they should be instanced, like DED's but with named bosses and maybe 40 people gangs necessary to complete them taking several hours - these instanced DED's should be made colourfull and pretty and made dungeon like - the bosses at the end should hold a captivating speach - the boss drop system should be added up in EKP (EvE Kill Points) to make it fair on those who are willing to invest the time in them - these expensive items should not be resellable due to theft and 'bind' to character when used or 'worn' - characters should be able to advance through another system than just SP and PVE grindng and ratting should allow for this which will save valuable time so that max level is attainable by all - more classes should be added to EVE so that people can empathise more with their character, e.g. Minmatar Speed Hunter or Amarr Tank Warrior and Caldari Missile Rogue. The name Gallente DPS Warlock has a nice ring to it don't you agree? - missions should be changed from kill a whole room of ships to kill a certain amount of ships of a certain type or loot so many things and return them to the agent, it will simplify missions and make them a lot easier for everyone - EVE should have PVP and PVE shards or servers so the people who don't want to get 'killed' play on a PVE server - kill penalty should not be the loss of your ship but simply resurrecting at a type of ship graveyard with no losses. This will make it easier for beginning players. - name of the game should be changed from EVE Online to WoE meaning World of Evecraft - people who don't like the harshness of EVE should leave and play WoW - WoW is a boring game which I only play as stress relief - can I have your stuff before you leave?
Breka Muso	Posted - 2008.05.07 02:01:00 - [121] Edited by: Breka Muso on 07/05/2008 02:03:24 There is a reason that EVE is one of the most succesful MMOs created (this statement is based on fact not opinion). I am a New Player who has been ganked a number of times. I get upset everytime but I understand that it is an aspect of the game and love EVE for it! EVE is not a game of Instant Gratification. I wan't to work towards something and be able to be set back! This is life so get used it. This game offers both the best of Highs and Lows. I know truely open SandBox high adrenaline PvP is waiting for me in EVE with both immense Rewards and devastating Loses. EVE is a game that requires Intelligence and Understanding. If any other New Players refuse to accept this it is most likely that you live most of your life off of Instant Gratification. Never being satisfied with what your doing, and attempt to find something new to feed your hunger until the cycle repeats itself. It is real simple people. There is a saying that "Some of the happiest people in the World, come home everyday from a hard days work." You can't be happy all the time, it is not natural. EVE encorporates this into an MMO. That is what makes EVE so beautiful. CCP you have gone above and beyond with your work and I hope you continue to do so (I know you will). There is a reason EVE is one of the most succesful MMOs created and will continue to be (this statement is base on fact not opinion).
ChronoLynx Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.05.07 02:26:00 - [122] Edited by: ChronoLynx on 07/05/2008 02:29:23 Originally by: Breka Muso Edited by: Breka Muso on 07/05/2008 02:03:24 There is a reason that EVE is one of the most succesful MMOs created (this statement is based on fact not opinion). I am a New Player who has been ganked a number of times. I get upset everytime but I understand that it is an aspect of the game and love EVE for it! EVE is not a game of Instant Gratification. I wan't to work towards something and be able to be set back! This is life so get used it. This game offers both the best of Highs and Lows. I know truely open SandBox high adrenaline PvP is waiting for me in EVE with both immense Rewards and devastating Loses. EVE is a game that requires Intelligence and Understanding. If any other New Players refuse to accept this it is most likely that you live most of your life off of Instant Gratification. Never being satisfied with what your doing, and attempt to find something new to feed your hunger until the cycle repeats itself. It is real simple people. There is a saying that "Some of the happiest people in the World, come home everyday from a hard days work." You can't be happy all the time, it is not natural. EVE encorporates this into an MMO. That is what makes EVE so beautiful. CCP you have gone above and beyond with your work and I hope you continue to do so (I know you will). There is a reason EVE is one of the most succesful MMOs created and will continue to be (this statement is base on fact not opinion). Totally agree with this. EvE is EvE because of all the systems it incorporates. If you added sharding into EvE you might as well go play * (I put stars there because I believe it should be a curse on the forums... wow). Anyways back to the point. When I die, some days I get **ed off, some days I laugh my ass off at the loss. I lost an Arazu worth 175m with fittings about a week back and it was great. The reason it was so great is because I distracted 4 of the 6 people I engaged long enough for my gang to get to them and blow them to the stoneage and back. Overall I was happy, even though I had lost my ship. And as far as losing great amounts of ships... November... 2004... 2nd full week... that was a black week for me. 35 Caracal class ships lost to NPCs in Empire. Missions were not nice with the lack of midslots and the lack of skills to fit it. (6million SP). Now... as for my PvP 101 Days... I started in PvP 99. Basically I learned that if I was mining in an asteroid belt with my harvesters my mentor would pop them. Now for PvP 101 (Warning... Steep Learning Curve Ahead). 1. Get into a frigate. 2. Fit a Scram, Web, and MWD or AB. 3. Get into a gang. 4. Go tackle someone for your gang to kill. 5a. If you live Cheer (for beer?) and repeat step 4. 5b. If you die see step 1. Sometimes I wish I could remember; Sometimes I wish I could forget.
Lrd Byron	Posted - 2008.05.07 07:28:00 - [123] as much as the op is trolling, he does have something of a point to make. Getting experience in PvP is really not as simple as slapping some basic gear on a frigate and having at it. You don't learn anything if you get popped in 5 seconds. You can get a bunch of friends together but you don't learn anything either if you kill your enemy in 5 seconds. The problem is that it is hard to find fights that are not predestined to be a roflstomping one way or the other right from the start. Not to mention its kind of a ***** to get a gang of people together to go roaming for two hours and probably come home with a few shuttle kills under their belt.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.07 08:39:00 - [124] Some people like the gang-bang.
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.07 09:20:00 - [125] Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 07/05/2008 09:28:07 Originally by: Ish'Tara Edited by: Ish''Tara on 07/05/2008 01:45:54 I agree with OP. Change the PVP to instancing but I'd like to see more changes and I'll list them: - the market should be changed from a free market to an auction house type of market - faction items should be given colours to indicate value and quality - faction and expensive items should be free and available to everyone willing to invest the time in them so they should be instanced, like DED's but with named bosses and maybe 40 people gangs necessary to complete them taking several hours - these instanced DED's should be made colourfull and pretty and made dungeon like - the bosses at the end should hold a captivating speach - the boss drop system should be added up in EKP (EvE Kill Points) to make it fair on those who are willing to invest the time in them - these expensive items should not be resellable due to theft and 'bind' to character when used or 'worn' - characters should be able to advance through another system than just SP and PVE grindng and ratting should allow for this which will save valuable time so that max level is attainable by all - more classes should be added to EVE so that people can empathise more with their character, e.g. Minmatar Speed Hunter or Amarr Tank Warrior and Caldari Missile Rogue. The name Gallente DPS Warlock has a nice ring to it don't you agree? - missions should be changed from kill a whole room of ships to kill a certain amount of ships of a certain type or loot so many things and return them to the agent, it will simplify missions and make them a lot easier for everyone - EVE should have PVP and PVE shards or servers so the people who don't want to get 'killed' play on a PVE server - kill penalty should not be the loss of your ship but simply resurrecting at a type of ship graveyard with no losses. This will make it easier for beginning players. - name of the game should be changed from EVE Online to WoE meaning World of Evecraft - people who don't like the harshness of EVE should leave and play WoW - WoW is a boring game which I only play as stress relief - can I have your stuff before you leave? OH PLEASE GO BACK TO WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EDIT If u walk down a street and guy wants to rob you, he points a gun at your face. If he knows there is no police around, he will shoot you if necessary. If the policeman is nearby, he will walk by. that's same in EVE.(concord sux lol)
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.07 09:25:00 - [126] Originally by: Lrd Byron as much as the op is trolling, he does have something of a point to make. Getting experience in PvP is really not as simple as slapping some basic gear on a frigate and having at it. You don't learn anything if you get popped in 5 seconds. You can get a bunch of friends together but you don't learn anything either if you kill your enemy in 5 seconds. The problem is that it is hard to find fights that are not predestined to be a roflstomping one way or the other right from the start. Not to mention its kind of a ***** to get a gang of people together to go roaming for two hours and probably come home with a few shuttle kills under their belt. it is quite simple to get pvp experience. It is probably expensive learning, but hey, that's what EVE is about. The best learning is from more experienced players that let u tag along with them. I joined a fleet of 4 battleships(heavy skilled pilots, all) in a caracal. i was a bait for them. got a warp scram and web on me. prevent the guy from running until they come to do the kill. or, if there is a bigger gang, they engage, i warp in and prevent them from escaping. Just takes time. And basis u learn from NPC- how to orbit, ranges of your weapons, your tanks, your reflexes. simple really. and watch closely what they do.
Ish'Tara	Posted - 2008.05.07 09:29:00 - [127] Originally by: Sunbird Huy Originally by: Ish'Tara - name of the game should be changed from EVE Online to WoE meaning World of Evecraft - people who don't like the harshness of EVE should leave and play WoW - WoW is a boring game which I only play as stress relief - can I have your stuff before you leave? OH PLEASE GO BACK TO WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Either you're trolling or just plain stupid.
Ish'Tara	Posted - 2008.05.07 09:50:00 - [128] Edited by: Ish''Tara on 07/05/2008 09:50:13 Originally by: Sunbird Huy EDIT If u walk down a street and guy wants to rob you, he points a gun at your face. If he knows there is no police around, he will shoot you if necessary. If the policeman is nearby, he will walk by. that's same in EVE.(concord sux lol) Concord aren't here to make sure Empire is 100% safe just like in the real world they will provide a form of solution not prevention. That is one of the great beauties of EvE.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:37:00 - [129] In case I haven't responded to this yet. No. No. A thousand times no. If you want PVP instances, go on the test server and play with friends, or go back to WoW. Goal Line Blitz, an American Football MMO Vote Jade for CSM.
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.08 05:27:00 - [130] Originally by: Ish'Tara Originally by: Sunbird Huy Originally by: Ish'Tara - name of the game should be changed from EVE Online to WoE meaning World of Evecraft - people who don't like the harshness of EVE should leave and play WoW - WoW is a boring game which I only play as stress relief - can I have your stuff before you leave? OH PLEASE GO BACK TO WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Either you're trolling or just plain stupid. did i call u stupid? nope. If u think that making EVE look like WoW is gonna improve it, u really are in the wrong place. and u already have ships with specific roles, they are usually called t2 ships, like electronic assault frigates, each race has specific bonuses. Giving them such names as u propose, really makes me wonder how long u have been hooked on WoW, and how old u really are: 11? 12? naah...8 is too much for ya.
Timaios Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.08 08:08:00 - [131] Originally by: Sunbird Huy Originally by: Ish'Tara Originally by: Sunbird Huy Originally by: Ish'Tara - name of the game should be changed from EVE Online to WoE meaning World of Evecraft - people who don't like the harshness of EVE should leave and play WoW - WoW is a boring game which I only play as stress relief - can I have your stuff before you leave? OH PLEASE GO BACK TO WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Either you're trolling or just plain stupid. did i call u stupid? nope. If u think that making EVE look like WoW is gonna improve it, u really are in the wrong place. and u already have ships with specific roles, they are usually called t2 ships, like electronic assault frigates, each race has specific bonuses. Giving them such names as u propose, really makes me wonder how long u have been hooked on WoW, and how old u really are: 11? 12? naah...8 is too much for ya. Sorry, but he called you stupid since you didn't notice that the poster you quoted was highly ironic, which you'd have noticed had you read his post to the end (it's quite obvious due to the last line of his post).
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.05.08 08:21:00 - [132] Originally by: Sharp Feather YEEHA!
GSMagrahorn	Posted - 2008.05.08 08:40:00 - [133] Yeah, there is the test server!!!! Use it. Also the only real true way to get PVP experience is to go out and do it. This is why eve is a sandbox game, nothing is cheap, nothing is easy. BAck when i was a n00b people would always say when u pvp, fly what you can afford to loose, i never listened. If i had 30 mil, i would fly a prophecy. My first PVP experiece i didn't even fit any tank on, just a whole load of gank. I was thinking to myself, look at me, i am in a BC and real hard. .... I died very quickly You wanna pew pew pew, join a pirate corp, or an anti-pie corp. Or get a frig, or can flip whatever, just don't beg for a "duel" or whatever. tl:dr Grow some grapefruit and grap you guns, go low sec
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:46:00 - [134] I'm just ****ed this topic is even existing. when I saw another: "you could do this, you could do that..." I stopped reading, and made another angry post. Sorry. Irony FTW! oh, we could also introduce enchantment stuff, like u put good magic on your ship, like immortality for 30 minutes or something? ;p
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:49:00 - [135] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Instanced PVP goes against the very first design principles of EVE; the core of EVE. How ironic that the one dev to show balls (of steel) and tell it straight like it is has (physically) none in real-life __ CSM candidates - quick reference cards Don't be a social moron, read and vote after you decide !
Savant Hayt Minmatar The Reich	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:25:00 - [136] 0/ biweekly instance/sharing troll. now **** off. smootches.
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2008.05.09 01:12:00 - [137] For those worried about the cost of learning PVP, I have two words "Eve University" Nothing but respect for them. You want to learn? Seek that alliance, join up, and reap the rewards. A very class act all around. ------ begin signature ----- Little known Eve fact, The original race names were: Amarr Empire, Caldar Empire, Minmatar Republic, The Jovians, and The Remanaquie Federation.

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