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Aki Corrino	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:19:00 - [121] Edited by: Aki Corrino on 27/04/2008 11:33:29 Edited by: Aki Corrino on 27/04/2008 11:25:12 edit -removed- the thread doc fury mentioned isnt very clear, it never got answered if the person in question was guilty or not. I do think deleting threads about it doesnt do much good tho, it only seeds more tinfoil hattery like this.
Bruminam	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:31:00 - [122] Originally by: Ko Shimin Edited by: Ko Shimin on 25/04/2008 05:55:28 I logged in 2 days ago and found my main account with 300 million isk less. In wallet I see a reversed trade between me and a player I don't even know. Petition reaveals that this transaction was reversed because the GMs thought that I bought isk from that player. In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff, so most probably the GMs reffer to one of those transactions or.. it can be a mistake from their side. I never bought any isk. I play this game with 4 accounts to cover efficiently all areas of the game and to have a steady flow of isk into my wallet. A casual game session for me is with 2 accounts running level 4 missions/plexing/exploring and the other 2 accounts mining/manufacturing. Since the GMs don't want to return MY isk, I have decided to give up on EVE Online. There is no point in playing a game where the GMs can rob a player's hard work. Some of you might say "get over it, farm fast and continue playing". That is not the case. Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial.. I know I can recover the ROBBED isk in about 2 days play time, but why should I? The isk I have been ROBBED of is not the only problem. I have lost more than that. Actually my loss would be: 300 million isk + the time spent to gather the isk (which translates into subscription fee) + the time needed to recover the loss. There is also a matter of pride and trust. I cannot stand idle and raise my shoulders saying ** happens and continue playing, that's the pride thing. The trust thing is, if this happened once, why shouldn't it happen again???? So I have cancelled my accounts. I want to congratulate CCP for it's way of insuring it's loss of subscribers. In my case the 300m isk would be the value of a 60 day time code. So, you CCP for a 60 day time code (which by no means was stolen from you as I HAVE NOT BOUGHT ANY ISK).. worth, how much? 25-30$? You have lost the following: 4 accounts worth 60$ each month (my accounts) an EON Magazine client (my subscriptions) worth about 60$ a year (or 15$ per issue) another 5 accounts worth 75$ each month (my brother in law is cancelling along with me) another EON Magazine client worth about 60$ a year (or 15$ per issue)(my brother in law also buys EON Magazine) plus more to come as 3 other real life friends that played the game see no more reason to play as me and my brother in law are quitting. They have another 7 accounts total which could be another 105$ a month if they will quit also. Good job CCP! You just made a VERY BAD deal.. I think that I'll save this year's game subscriptions and EON subscriptions and spend it all at the local w.h.o.r.e.house for some prime time, at least that will be something pleasant to remember.. Too bad that this unique and great game is ruined by your insatiable hunger for $ and your "trigger happy" GMs. Originally by:** Awox Originally by: Robert Rosenberg The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again. Yes, but the GM's are also pretty stupid, and have been wrong countless times before. Was going to delete from the original post the parts that weren't applicable to me, but the entire thing is. I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT. This week I log in and the char who holds the majority of all my ISK is down 500 million ISK at neg 450 million ISK. I was going to keep all my accounts active,just to raise skills offline while I play other games. I now won't be. Between just me and the OP CCP just lost ten subscriptions. I wonder how many others have cancelled who can't be bothered to post.
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:38:00 - [123] Originally by: Bruminam This week I log in and the char who holds the majority of all my ISK is down 500 million ISK at neg 450 million ISK. I was going to keep all my accounts active,just to raise skills offline while I play other games. I now won't be. Between just me and the OP CCP just lost ten subscriptions. I wonder how many others have cancelled who can't be bothered to post. I like how you post with some noob alt. It's good to see you back up your claims. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:38:00 - [124] Why is it people here that lose ISK due to GMs either posts with completely unknown alts or completely lack any "red thread" in their statements, always have 4-5 accounts and someone else that does aswell. Its just as likely to believe the earth is the center of the universe, the stars are painted in the top and your sailboat will fall over the edge if you sail too far out. Escalate it to a senior GM if you think its wrong. If they both say you are wrong, then they have evidence and proof on their side. And you dont. You acted wrongfully. Take it like a man instead of these endless lies. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:41:00 - [125] I think it's some kind of troll wagon. It's too common and too consistently stupid to actually be real people with legitimate cases. I just wonder why. Are they isk buyers who got caught and thing this is revenge, or are they RMT traders who think this helps their case? Or are they just trolling for fun? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Bruminam	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:44:00 - [126] Edited by: Bruminam on 27/04/2008 11:44:58 .. double post - pls delete
Bruminam	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:44:00 - [127] Originally by: Bruminam Originally by: Frug Edited by: Frug on 27/04/2008 11:39:32 Originally by: Bruminam This week I log in and the char who holds the majority of all my ISK is down 500 million ISK at neg 450 million ISK. I was going to keep all my accounts active,just to raise skills offline while I play other games. I now won't be. Between just me and the OP CCP just lost ten subscriptions. I wonder how many others have cancelled who can't be bothered to post. I like how you post with some noob alt. It's good to see you back up your claims. I think you're either an isk buyer or a rather annoying troll. Not a single person with any kind of a reputation has ever made this claims, which are getting old and lame. All I have is 'alt' characters. I've only been playing since February on all 5 accounts. I'm happy to post on any of them. Talk about talking rubbish, making assumptions and talking out of your ass. Past 3 posts as examples. I know players aren't arsed who stays and who quits - this is just feedback for CCP - you're making mistakes and you are losing subs because of it.
Cruthensis Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:45:00 - [128] Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT. Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5? Sounds more like a farmer to me. 1. Buy Vexor 2. Fit for Gank 3. Suicide ISK farmer 4. Grind sec 5. see 1.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:46:00 - [129] Originally by: Bruminam Originally by: Frug Edited by: Frug on 27/04/2008 11:39:32 Originally by: Bruminam This week I log in and the char who holds the majority of all my ISK is down 500 million ISK at neg 450 million ISK. I was going to keep all my accounts active,just to raise skills offline while I play other games. I now won't be. Between just me and the OP CCP just lost ten subscriptions. I wonder how many others have cancelled who can't be bothered to post. I like how you post with some noob alt. It's good to see you back up your claims. I think you're either an isk buyer or a rather annoying troll. Not a single person with any kind of a reputation has ever made this claims, which are getting old and lame. All I have is 'alt' characters. I've only been playing since February on all 5 accounts. I'm happy to post on any of them. I know players aren't arsed who stays and who quits - this is just feedback for CCP - you're making mistakes and you are losing subs because of it. 5 accounts for a few hours play a week? Plus the alt posting? Or is it you dont play more than a few hours a week but they do work 23/7? Caught with the hand in the cookiejar And since february..wow, so you almost played 2 months now. Funny how that also matches a certain other thing. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:47:00 - [130] Originally by: Cruthensis Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT. Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5? Sounds more like a farmer to me. Nah, the transporter is still flying Itty 3 and the 4 others are retrievers in an ice belt Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Aki Corrino	Posted - 2008.04.27 11:49:00 - [131] Originally by: Frug too common and too consistently stupid well... Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity
Azreal Crow	Posted - 2008.04.27 12:04:00 - [132] I haven't had much time to play lately, just been reading the forums. Seems like CCP is really taking some steps in the right direction to try and get rid of the isk farmers. Keep up the good work guys.
Bruminam	Posted - 2008.04.27 12:05:00 - [133] Originally by: Shintai Originally by: Cruthensis Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT. Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5? Sounds more like a farmer to me. Nah, the transporter is still flying Itty 3 and the 4 others are retrievers in an ice belt Originally by: Cruthensis Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT. Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5? Sounds more like a farmer to me. You're too dumb to realise you might be wrong. My main character is Deca Dense. I joined Kiri Jols Miner Training Programme in February. 3 chars have been in Retrievers and one in an Itty V, just recently. All the characters were in Nerdherd with Kiri Jol, Artheon and quite a few others. I was up front with them and they all knew I had multiple accounts. All of them were guilded into the Corps - they can verify how much mining I've done and the fact I haven't been able to log on the last few weeks.. Legitimate characters, legitimate Corps, all I've posted is facts which can be verified by quite a number of players. Feel free to keep posting out of your ass though
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.27 13:16:00 - [134] Step one might be actually posting with that character. Step two is post your full api so we can verify you are telling the truth. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Bruminam	Posted - 2008.04.27 13:56:00 - [135] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Step one might be actually posting with that character. As I said, I'm a new'ish player. I don't even know how to change which character I post on - I logged in and used the character the board assigned me. I'm happy to do so and have given you the name of my main character. Originally by: An Anarchyyt Step two is post your full api so we can verify you are telling the truth. Sure hang on a sec. I'll jot down my account and password info, while I'm at it. I'm not assed about getting the isk back, I'm not assed whether people believe it or not. I'm about done playing. Like I said, I posted this for CCP's info. They ARE making mistakes. Its costing them subscribers.
Cpt Hound Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.27 14:04:00 - [136] Edited by: Cpt Hound on 27/04/2008 14:04:05 Originally by: Bruminam Originally by: An Anarchyyt Step one might be actually posting with that character. As I said, I'm a new'ish player. I don't even know how to change which character I post on - I logged in and used the character the board assigned me. I'm happy to do so and have given you the name of my main character. Originally by: An Anarchyyt Step two is post your full api so we can verify you are telling the truth. Sure hang on a sec. I'll jot down my account and password info, while I'm at it. I'm not assed about getting the isk back, I'm not assed whether people believe it or not. I'm about done playing. Like I said, I posted this for CCP's info. They ARE making mistakes. Its costing them subscribers. The full api key DOES NOT GIVE OUT ANY INFORMATION WHICH CAN BE EXPLOITED.
Rastadeen Minmatar The Singularity Project Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.27 14:20:00 - [137] Im just curious. If i sell something, contract or marked.. and buyer buys it with non legal bought isk... will GMs remove the isk without giving me the item back? /paranoid on
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:22:00 - [138] Originally by: Bruminam My main character is Deca Dense. I joined Kiri Jols Miner Training Programme in February. 3 chars have been in Retrievers and one in an Itty V, just recently. All the characters were in Nerdherd with Kiri Jol, Artheon and quite a few others. I was up front with them and they all knew I had multiple accounts. All of them were guilded into the Corps - they can verify how much mining I've done and the fact I haven't been able to log on the last few weeks.. Legitimate characters, legitimate Corps, all I've posted is facts which can be verified by quite a number of players. Feel free to keep posting out of your ass though Yet you still post with alts? And now the 5 chars are 4? Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
upalupa	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:40:00 - [139] I use 2 accounts. One is the mission runner,the other handles pretty much all the salvage/looting and market aspects. My trader has been giving my combat char hundreds of millions of isk...."Give Money"...not trades,contracts or anything else...for years...iv never had a problem. O ya..iv never bought or sold isk,never bothered with GTC's in any way shape or form. Did CCP make a mistake with the OP..yes, imo they did...they shoulda busted his ass much much earlier. I do believe they op in what he says..."Iv never bought isk". Its what he doesnt say lol..."Iv never sold isk"..curiously ommited. And 300 mil isk..and he wants to quit?... 4 accounts...2 miners, uhm..would that be "macro-miners" by any chance? 2 combat toons farming plexes..read op. And u say u like to sell the faction drops? Yup hes definetely telling the truth..he doesnt need to buy isk..... This reads like some nice propaganda attempt to sway people from CCP's current attempts to combat these scum. The fact these guys are here attempting to discredit CCP, leads me to believe one thing. GJ CCP, ITS WORKING!!!
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:57:00 - [140] Its just propaganda from RMT people meant to hinder a policy that is obviously working. Some RMT's are apparently out of isk on EVE so happy times.
Bruminam	Posted - 2008.04.27 17:01:00 - [141] Edited by: Bruminam on 27/04/2008 17:02:21 Originally by: Shintai Yet you still post with alts? And now the 5 chars are 4? The main char is training to be a gang boss, as is standard with multi person mining set ups. Originally by: Esmenet Its just propaganda from RMT people meant to hinder a policy that is obviously working. Some RMT's are apparently out of isk on EVE so happy times. I've posted my main characters name, the Corps my chars have been in since I joined the game, the names of the leaders of that Corps, the fact that all members of the Corps have known who my alts were and thereby known exactly when I have logged in or not. **, some people who post on these forums are dumb. No wonder this place has such a ****** reputation.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.27 17:05:00 - [142] Originally by: Bruminam I've posted my main characters name, the Corps my chars have been in since I joined the game, the names of the leaders of that Corps, the fact that all members of the Corps have known who my alts were and thereby known exactly when I have logged in or not. **, some people who post on these forums are dumb. No wonder this place has such a ****** reputation. Until you post your full api key your post is just pointless unsubstantiated accusations. So you are indeed the dumbass in this case. I can do something similar and claim you hacked my account stole all my isk and killed my dog.
Trathen	Posted - 2008.04.27 17:12:00 - [143] Originally by: Esmenet you hacked my account stole all my isk and killed my dog. I was a witness to this. Stop killing innocent player's dogs, please.
Poreuomai Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.28 08:23:00 - [144] Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT. This week I log in and the char who holds the majority of all my ISK is down 500 million ISK at neg 450 million ISK. Originally by: Bruminam I've only been playing since February on all 5 accounts. You've only been playing a few hours a week since February and yet you had 500,000,000 ISK. Noob mining must be more profitable than I thought.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.28 08:30:00 - [145] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 08:31:31 1. He plays a few hours a week 2. He has 5 accounts 3. He has been playing for 2 months. Something not right there at all Why have 5 accounts if he only plays a few hours a week? Is he running macros or something? Personaly, a I think the ISK sellers are doing the troll bandwagon. The isk sellers are trying to stop CCP removing the isk the sell, so the only thing they can do is fakeposts in a hope that CCP will stop removing isk. Unfortunetly, such tactics are going to fail tbh. -- Billion Isk Mission
Anira Minmatar Chrysohelios	Posted - 2008.04.28 08:38:00 - [146] Edited by: Anira on 28/04/2008 08:44:46 Yet another isk buyer/seller propaganda thread. If it was a genuine mistake, why is this guy even posting here? It changes nothing, it's the GM's that he must speak to. All he is doing is trying to gain sympathy from the players on this forum. Even the title alone should ring a bell "anti isk seller collateral losses". Yea sure let's stop the anti isk seller stance to protect innocent victims... Whatever CCP is doing it must be working.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.28 08:45:00 - [147] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 08:45:19 Originally by: Bruminam Legitimate characters, legitimate Corps, all I've posted is facts which can be verified by quite a number of players. http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/ Copy API key. Post it here. Then everyone in this forum will help you AFTER someone has investigated it. -- Billion Isk Mission
Manic Smile Altruism. Malice.	Posted - 2008.04.28 09:06:00 - [148] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 25/04/2008 23:42:50 Originally by: Ko Shimin (snipped for bandwidh preservation) here's what I would do if this happened to me: 1. cancel subs and put money in jar instead 2. jar eventually reaches X $ 3. buy planeticket to Hawaii 4. Prey to Pele (goddess of fire/volcanoes), asking her to devour Iceland and sink the remains beneath the atlantic waves. If Iceland remains where it is, I will have gotten a trip to Hawaii out of the deal. My point is: dont get mad, get even. Pele has better things to do...like eating the island of Hawai'i. And we don't need more tourist...I suggest you spend X on hiring some radical terrorist group.
Mudrat	Posted - 2008.04.28 09:17:00 - [149] Originally by: Shintai Why is it people here that lose ISK due to GMs either posts with completely unknown alts or completely lack any "red thread" in their statements, always have 4-5 accounts and someone else that does aswell. Its just as likely to believe the earth is the center of the universe, the stars are painted in the top and your sailboat will fall over the edge if you sail too far out. Escalate it to a senior GM if you think its wrong. If they both say you are wrong, then they have evidence and proof on their side. And you dont. You acted wrongfully. Take it like a man instead of these endless lies. why post with alts? simple really - the majority of the forum goers are petty, childish and immature. sometimes just 2 out of 3. posting with your main anymore is asking to get griefed or abused with how easy it is to find anyone with locator agents
Mudrat	Posted - 2008.04.28 09:19:00 - [150] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 08:31:31 1. He plays a few hours a week 2. He has 5 accounts 3. He has been playing for 2 months. Something not right there at all Why have 5 accounts if he only plays a few hours a week? Is he running macros or something? Personaly, a I think the ISK sellers are doing the troll bandwagon. The isk sellers are trying to stop CCP removing the isk the sell, so the only thing they can do is fakeposts in a hope that CCP will stop removing isk. Unfortunetly, such tactics are going to fail tbh. 5 mining characters i can only handle about an hour a day of looking at rocks. eventually it will become an hour every two days, th an two hours every week you guys keep inflating the price of trit by suicide ganking, mass pvp in small ships and the eventual empyrian age impact on the economy and most people wont need to mine all day to make enough money to keep going. 20m an hour is satisfactory

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