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MongWen Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.30 20:57:00 - [211] Originally by: Shadow Joy Can we please make responses like this policy whenever someone comes to the forums and complains that CCP took money from them for no reason? Can we also get news reports about how much RMT money has been removed from the game each month? No names are necessary - just a total will go a long way towards demonstrating CCPs commitment to addressing this problem. 100% /signed on that. ------------------------- Vote MongWen For The CMS. [Campaign Site]
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.04.30 21:18:00 - [212] Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved. Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.30 21:20:00 - [213] Originally by: Big Al Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved. Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance. Or the players could just STOP BUYING THE ***** ISK. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)**
Wolf Spyder	Posted - 2008.04.30 21:31:00 - [214] That really sucks. you would think that CCP would have given your stuff back if you proved that you were in the right. Did you try to escalate the petition to someone higher than a GM? Like a senior GM or a higher. Something is seriously wrong here.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.30 21:32:00 - [215] Originally by: Wolf Spyder That really sucks. you would think that CCP would have given your stuff back if you proved that you were in the right. Did you try to escalate the petition to someone higher than a GM? Like a senior GM or a higher. Something is seriously wrong here. You should really read the last page of this thread. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.30 21:42:00 - [216] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Big Al Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved. Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance. Or the players could just STOP BUYING THE ******* ISK. Reducing the comparative advantage would help with achieving this goal, I think. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
MongWen Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:03:00 - [217] Originally by: Wolf Spyder That really sucks. you would think that CCP would have given your stuff back if you proved that you were in the right. Did you try to escalate the petition to someone higher than a GM? Like a senior GM or a higher. Something is seriously wrong here. Read this post [Link] and then ask questions ------------------------- Vote MongWen For The CMS. [Campaign Site]
Seth Ruin Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:20:00 - [218] Originally by: Shadow Joy Can we please make responses like this policy whenever someone comes to the forums and complains that CCP took money from them for no reason? Can we also get news reports about how much RMT money has been removed from the game each month? No names are necessary - just a total will go a long way towards demonstrating CCPs commitment to addressing this problem. Absolutely agreed. Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Wolf Spyder That really sucks. you would think that CCP would have given your stuff back if you proved that you were in the right. Did you try to escalate the petition to someone higher than a GM? Like a senior GM or a higher. Something is seriously wrong here. You should really read the last page of this thread. Unfortunately, seeing as he didn't read the thread, the chances of him seeing your advice to read the rest of the thread... won't be read.
Berand Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:38:00 - [219] Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Stuff \o/ Win. Thanks for that :)
Yblarbo Janks Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.01 00:48:00 - [220] Janks is happy to see this, and wants to know if it is possible the Daily Message on the log in screen can have an addition on how much isk was removed from the wallets of isk buyers on say... a weekly basis. Think about it... "remember buying isk is against the EULA" and then seeing "350 Billion isk was removed from players who purchased isk the week of x to y" - players will think twice before buying isk, and then the macroers can macro all they want - nobody will want to touch their isk. I shot a man in Mara, just to watch him Die.

Cpt Hound Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.01 00:55:00 - [221] I want to see Ko Shimin and Bruminam post now.
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.05.01 02:11:00 - [222] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Big Al Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved. Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance. Or the players could just STOP BUYING THE ******* ISK. Or you could whine about people buying ISK on the forums, I hear that helps.
EvilSyKOSkitzo Durus Scelus	Posted - 2008.05.01 05:04:00 - [223] 210 Billion.. For @###@%@# Sake. lol, Epic forum win by CCP. I want to see more of stuff like this! Good work! - Evil
Cruthensis Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.05.01 08:30:00 - [224] Just an FYI on the ISK farmer front: I went through my "buddy" list last night (yeah, not many "buddies" in there) and 90% of the farmers I had in there from 6 months ago appear inactive now. I watched over a few days to see if they were ever on when I was and...nada. To conclude, either the farmers are recycling characters to disguise their activities or CCP do actually banninate them in significant numbers. Yeah ok, not that much 'I' in this FYI. Sorry. 1. Buy Vexor 2. Fit for Gank 3. Suicide ISK farmer 4. Grind sec 5. see 1.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.01 09:13:00 - [225] Originally by: Cruthensis Just an FYI on the ISK farmer front: I went through my "buddy" list last night (yeah, not many "buddies" in there) and 90% of the farmers I had in there from 6 months ago appear inactive now. I watched over a few days to see if they were ever on when I was and...nada. To conclude, either the farmers are recycling characters to disguise their activities or CCP do actually banninate them in significant numbers. Yeah ok, not that much 'I' in this FYI. Sorry. Actually that's pretty encouraging. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
MongWen Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:27:00 - [226] Originally by: Malcanis Actually that's pretty encouraging. For UCAM's work i whold say yes.. ------------------------- Vote MongWen For The CMS. [Campaign Site]
The TX Gallente Earth Inc. Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:39:00 - [227] This is becoming a very big thread. -------------------- [Signature] [/Signature]
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.05.01 13:32:00 - [228] Originally by: Big Al Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Big Al Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved. Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance. Or the players could just STOP BUYING THE ******* ISK. Or you could whine about people buying ISK on the forums, I hear that helps. Always fighting the good fight. salute ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Cruthensis Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.05.01 14:47:00 - [229] Originally by: The TX This is becoming a very big thread. Hmmm... define "very". And "big". 1. Buy Vexor 2. Fit for Gank 3. Suicide ISK farmer 4. Grind sec 5. see 1.
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.01 15:48:00 - [230] TB ftw? Seriously, Truth Bomb was h4x! gg ccp. gg. good game

Doctor Death	Posted - 2008.05.01 16:48:00 - [231] Edited by: Doctor Death on 01/05/2008 16:51:12 Originally by: Cruthensis I went through my "buddy" list last night (yeah, not many "buddies" in there) and 90% of the farmers I had in there from 6 months ago appear inactive now. OK anybody else that has ISK farmers on thier buddy list me and CCP want to know!
Tammarr	Posted - 2008.05.01 16:59:00 - [232] GM Guard won the eve-o with this :D
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.01 17:07:00 - [233] 210 billion isk!!! ahahahahahahahahahaha.. that is so awesome! Props to CCP! we need more of this for sure! Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2008.05.01 17:14:00 - [234] truth bomb ftw gj ccp =) you should do this more often. Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights. [url="http://myeve.eve-online.co
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:22:00 - [235] Originally by: GM Guard CCP comments to another ISK removal thread Right.. Guess I can declare CCP the winner again in another ISK removal Thread. Whats the score now? CCP: 4 - ISK buyer forum whining: 0 ? Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:51:00 - [236] nice job GMs. more stuff like this will go along way to maintaining the trust with subscribers. Showing that you do care and are actively fighting the isk farming/selling in the game. You should really think about doing monthly reports on your progress and/or asking players to look for certain things that are very basic and common things isk sellers, farmers etc do. You don't have to give out all the ways you catch individuals but just a few minor things might lead you guys to a mountain of intel so you can do your job.
Zanpt Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.02 00:34:00 - [237] Originally by: PhantomMajor well if i were you, i'd look through my wallet and locate the name of the GM who removed your ISK, then go over to the crime and punishment forum and place a bounty on the GM for 150 million isk. if everyone starts doing this, then pretty soon being a GM wont be such a rewarding career in EvE. oh and if your name happens to be Mhonaverge or Leader Tim, i'd start looking over your shoulder when you undock from now on Nice try, but it doesn't work like that. 1. The GM's name appears nowhere. The one case we've had and that we've looked at was a transfer out to a nonexistent char and the victim of the theft received no explanation whatsoever. That worsens things because the victim's first impression is that he has been scammed somehow. 2. You can't place bounties on chars that do not have negative sec status. 3. Anyone with a high bounty on them can get a bud to podkill them and share the bounty. 4. You can't use tools or methods provided by the house to "fight the house," because they can change the rules, the tools, etc. Just look into the cases where stupid ppl thought they could tank Concord. CCP increased the dmg done by Concord to 2309834 bazillion points, in effect saying, "Tank this!" What is really called for is an independent website where ppl can discuss this stuff free of CCP rules and censorship. And believe me, sooner or later this kind of thing will end up in court, and CCP's EULA and TOS will not count for ****. There are lots of things you can even sign, not merely tacitly agree to by using something, that courts have and will continue to nullify, saying, "Nah, doesn't count."
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.05.02 00:38:00 - [238] Originally by: Zanpt What is really called for is an independent website where ppl can discuss this stuff free of CCP rules and censorship. Linkage ---------------- (Forgot to pay my sub, back in a few days! ) Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Zanpt Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.02 00:50:00 - [239] Originally by: slip66 nice job GMs. more stuff like this will go along way to maintaining the trust with subscribers. Showing that you do care and are actively fighting the isk farming/selling in the game. Fail. If CCP mows down any innocents at all, it hurts them and hurts the game immensely. And this technique is completely unnecessary, as CCP has the database, has very detailed logs, controls what addtional things they may wish to log, and can craft db queries to trace out all the connections from ISK miner to ISK delivery agent. A bunch of ISK farmers did disappear and haven't been seen since, but a new team that appeared in our area persists, meaning either that CCP doesn't have the right tools crafted, or they only used them in a single batch effort to remove ISK farmers. We keep chasing this one bunch out of our systems and they keep reappearing. CCP can very easily and effectively deal with this at the ISK farming/selling end. Why they don't, and didn't even make much of an effort at all until recently, remains a mystery. Originally by: slip66 You should really think about doing monthly reports on your progress... Agreed. Since I began in Eve, Blizzard announced banning something like 20,000 accounts for gold farming. The only thing I've seen from CCP was a cryptic comment by one of their ppl in a forum about IGB being all out of ISK, wink wink. I don't understand why they can't release information on the actions they are taking. CCP are very strange ppl. Originally by: slip66 and/or asking players to look for certain things that are very basic and common things isk sellers, farmers etc do. Not really necessary. Anyone who has been in Eve more than a few weeks or months can easily recognize and confirm ISK farmers, and that's all that needs to be reported for CCP to be able to trace out the entire network of that farming/selling operation. Everything leaves an audit trail. Database queries can pull all that stuff up, given any one of the characters involved, no matter how many stages of middlemen the farmers/sellers use.
Zanpt Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.02 00:53:00 - [240] Originally by: Big Al ...Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs... That's a common misconception. It's highly unlikely that any ISK farming or selling operation ever spends even a dime on subs. Their stock in trade is ISK... as long as they can buy GTCs for ISK, it would run completely counter to their purpose to ever buy a sub with RL money. They are about bringing RL money in, not sending RL money out.



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