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Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
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Posted - 2008.04.28 17:54:00 -
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So, I read this thing somewhere about mission runners not being safe anymore. The thing I read was specifically saying that afk mission runners aren't safe anymore and how a bunch of navy ravens had been killed in high sec. How can this be? Are we mission runners not safe in CONCORD space?
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Amarr - getting screwed since 2005. |
Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:03:00 -
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Welcome to EVE. By clicking "Undock", you enter the wide universe which does not care about your safety. CONCORD does NOT care about your safety. CONCORD will destroy those who aggress illegally. This destruction may or may not happen before your own ship is destroyed.
In other words, "Works as intended".
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Pop da rats, make more rigs.
Sell da gear, make more money.
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Spud Gunn
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:12:00 -
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Topic title is misleading as it implies mission runners were safe to begin with...
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Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:16:00 -
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I understand it is possible to get "scanned down" and that people can find you and kill you in low sec, but I've seen a group of like 6 BS take down 1 ratting BS in high sec. Hardly worth it?
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Arous Drephius
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:18:00 -
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Shiny faction mods generally make it worth it.
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Yoinx
Caldari
JET FORCE
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Yoinx on 28/04/2008 18:22:40
High sec was never safe.
It just happens that more and more people are using expensive modules and falling for the normal tricks.
1. Dont shoot at can thieves. it's always a trap.
2. Stay out of mission hubs... 5 or so gank fit bs's can take your bs out before concord will show up most of the time (especially once you factor in lag). After insurance the gankers are only out 20-40 mil each (max). If you're fitting modules where at least a decent portion will be dropped instead of destroyed... and work out to at least make them a profit after their losses... you can pretty much plan on getting ganked sooner or later.
So, never engage players when you're in a mission unless it's a last resort.
Keep hoping that CCP removes insurance payouts on ships lost to concord to make ganking in high sec less profitable.
Other than that.. enjoy the "high security".
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Madla Mafia
I understand it is possible to get "scanned down" and that people can find you and kill you in low sec, but I've seen a group of like 6 BS take down 1 ratting BS in high sec. Hardly worth it?
Depends. If you're faction/deadspace/officer-fitting your missionship, then **** yes it's worth it. Oh, and if you're flying an expensive ship in general (CNR), the tears are most certainly worth it.
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Joceb
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Originally by: Madla Mafia
I understand it is possible to get "scanned down" and that people can find you and kill you in low sec, but I've seen a group of like 6 BS take down 1 ratting BS in high sec. Hardly worth it?
Depends. If you're faction/deadspace/officer-fitting your missionship, then **** yes it's worth it. Oh, and if you're flying an expensive ship in general (CNR), the tears are most certainly worth it.
It's quite sickening really, the jealous little kids want to break the other kids toy because they don't have one.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/04/2008 18:35:24
Someone just got ganked.
No, I think it's more the fact that it's ******* hilarious when people go ape**** over losing virtual stuff in an internets spaceships game.
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Joceb
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Someone just got ganked
Hehe, not I, I just find the whole idea of wanting to destroy someone elses ship because it's expensive or rare quite disgusting.
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Yoinx
Caldari
JET FORCE
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Joceb
Hehe, not I, I just find the whole idea of wanting to destroy someone elses ship because it's expensive or rare quite disgusting.
I have to agree....
I understand the ganking for modules that you can sell for a profit... But ganking for ganking's sake eludes me.
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Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:43:00 -
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I didn't get ganked either. I was just wondering how this worked.
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.28 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Madla Mafia
I didn't get ganked either. I was just wondering how this worked.
I guess you know by now.
If not - it's just a simple question about spending a small amount of isk in order to get far more expensive module drops.
Griefing is not the motive - greed on the other hand...
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 20:43:00 -
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There is no "safe" in eve, EVER.
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.29 00:50:00 -
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T2 is all you need to run missions.
But IMHO Concord should void insurance, even if your a n00b popping your mining frigate.
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.29 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
God DAMN you, you got me twice in ten minutes!
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.04.29 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hanneshannes on 29/04/2008 03:53:35
Edited by: Hanneshannes on 29/04/2008 03:52:56
You aren't safe.
You never were safe.
You will never be safe.
You can just fit T2, which is enough usually, maybe some cheap faction mods which stil leave you worthless to kill.
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Alias Alpha
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Posted - 2008.04.29 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: Alias Alpha on 29/04/2008 04:55:10
*edit due to blank!
T2 for the win! Screw faction, with a few exceptions T2 is always better. I've never been brave enough to fit deadspace/officer mods, although they do look juicy on the contracts. |
Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.04.29 14:50:00 -
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No one (to be accurate, let's say very few) gank just to blow up the victim's shiny ship. It's just icing on the cake, a little extra something on top of grabbing their pricy loot.
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2008.04.29 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/04/2008 18:35:24
Someone just got ganked.
No, I think it's more the fact that it's ******* hilarious when people go ape**** over losing virtual stuff in an internets spaceships game.
What you fail to see is they lost a lot of time which is very real.
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Suncats Shadow
Caldari
Archon Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 15:15:00 -
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- Remove the insurance payout if you are blown away by Concord
- Depending on the ganker's sec status, make a percentage chance that they get put in jail for X number of days. This would mean they have no access to market, contacts, etc. You could possible even be fined for your illegal action?
- Allow Concord to blow up anyone who is in the gang with the original ganker at the time of attack
- When the ganker is blown up his can should be owned by Concord and picked up by them. Also if you loot the can, then the Concord currently there will gank you for stealing
Just my two iskies worth.
King of the puffy tail
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Juana Morlaine
MX3 Development
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.29 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Joceb
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Someone just got ganked
Hehe, not I, I just find the whole idea of wanting to destroy someone elses ship because it's expensive or rare quite disgusting.
I do understand you - the image of a grown up man whining in front of his monitor somewhere on this world due to the loss of say his CNR is disgusting.
As long as those men exist - for that long it is worth it doing exactly this. You see? People care to end the disgusting situation down here.
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Tranka Verrane
Caldari
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.29 15:22:00 -
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In my experience a lot of PVPers, particularly the griefing kind that are just in it for the laughs, are the people who buy their ISK out of game. They have deep wallets and either don't understand or care that everything the mission runner has they made by spending time in the game, time which is itself often paid for with the same ISK the greifer bought. Those with money exploit those without and laugh at their discomfort.
This is not just a 'Welcome to Eve' situation. This is welcome to the world.
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Juana Morlaine
MX3 Development
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.29 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 29/04/2008 15:36:43
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
In my experience a lot of PVPers, particularly the griefing kind that are just in it for the laughs, are the people who buy their ISK out of game. They have deep wallets and either don't understand or care that everything the mission runner has they made by spending time in the game, time which is itself often paid for with the same ISK the greifer bought. Those with money exploit those without and laugh at their discomfort.
This is not just a 'Welcome to Eve' situation. This is welcome to the world.
Dear Tranka,
I actually did not know that myself and several others I know are buying isk out of game. A quick check with all of us showed none got any information about this either. Thanks to your experience and advice we now check with our respective bank, which must be responsible for the fraud in real life.
Then again at least I did not see any irregular income stream, which could in any tregard be related to "buy their ISK out of game". Rest be assured that scanning mission runners and transports for valuables and ganking those thereafter wether it be in highsec or not generates a sufficient income stream to not only cover the cost of the kill but to field a fully fitted X-Type, Corp-A, Officer Bhaalgorn for PvP on regular. You know: you should only fly, what you can afford to loose.
Thanks to high sec mission runners and transports we can.
Yours truly
Juana
(an alt)
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.04.29 16:06:00 -
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PVPers are the one's buying isk? That's funny, when's the last time you saw an dual estamel's fitted raven doing pvp?
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.04.29 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Highwind Cid
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/04/2008 18:35:24
Someone just got ganked.
No, I think it's more the fact that it's ******* hilarious when people go ape**** over losing virtual stuff in an internets spaceships game.
What you fail to see is they lost a lot of time which is very real.
No, they still have the time they spent, and - nobody - can take that away. Now if they didn't have fun during that time, so that the destruction of the proceeds is nothing but a loss, then they really should pursue another isk making activity they can have fun at, get better at minimizing their losses, or just find a game without item loss in it.
It's a game largely about your stuff getting blown up. It's amazing how many people haven't come to terms with that.
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Death4free
Caldari
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.29 16:26:00 -
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by ganking carebears we r doing you a favour
if it wasnt for us youd have wasted all your life in eve hoarding isk U R NEVER GONA USE
so now we give you a use and u complain
ungratefulness sux tbh
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Death4free
by ganking carebears we r doing you a favour
if it wasnt for us youd have wasted all your life in eve hoarding isk U R NEVER GONA USE
so now we give you a use and u complain
ungratefulness sux tbh
Who said mission runners don't spend their money, if it was up to me I would settle for a trillion, spend it all, and then maybe my mission running would give me money I wouldn't spend.
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Death4free
Caldari
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:44:00 -
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what the hell r u guna spend it on srsly
more officer/faction mods 4 ur ship mubu a cnr if u dont have 1 and thats it
carebears just hoard isk its worse than market pvp which is atleast midly exciting and uses your isk along with the risk factor
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:47:00 -
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It seems like a way of keeping the ISK going (suicide ganking that is)
It is true, util recently, I have done nothing but pile up the money from mission running. I made my own ammo so I didn't even need to buy that. It's all nice to have a deep wallet but it gets old after some time.
I actually bought faction stuff for my ship which is a regular raven. I didn't buy a CNR yet and don't really want to because everyone and their dog has one and they seem to be a trouble magnet. After a few days, I sold the faction stuff again and settled for T2.
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