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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2008.04.29 18:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Death4free
what the hell r u guna spend it on srsly
more officer/faction mods 4 ur ship mubu a cnr if u dont have 1 and thats it
carebears just hoard isk its worse than market pvp which is atleast midly exciting and uses your isk along with the risk factor
Maybe I don't understand where you coming from since I'm still pretty new and haven't and won't have time to hoard money for the fun of it for a long time. Even then it would go to my corp for bigger better stuff.
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Death4free
Caldari
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.29 19:44:00 -
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there is only so much you can buy for pve like mubu a pos for research and crap but thats it
otherwise short of actually skillin for pvp you have nothing to do as even market pvp is to much of a strain for some carebears
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.29 20:02:00 -
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I actually bought faction stuff for my ship which is a regular raven. I didn't buy a CNR yet and don't really want to because everyone and their dog has one
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Buy a Rattlesnake instead.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.04.29 20:04:00 -
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Yeah but a regular raven is cheaper and has as many launchers.
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hermot
Amarr
Shadow Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.04.29 22:07:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Helen Hunts
Welcome to EVE. By clicking "Undock", you enter the wide universe which does not care about your safety. CONCORD does NOT care about your safety. CONCORD will destroy those who aggress illegally. This destruction may or may not happen before your own ship is destroyed.
In other words, "Works as intended".
Not quite as intended i think... More like a happy medium between pvpers and non pvpers? In a perfect world it would be like shadowbane!  Safe in stations, fair game in space :P
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Aeryl Firebrand
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Posted - 2008.04.30 00:33:00 -
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Edited by: Aeryl Firebrand on 30/04/2008 00:33:16
It always amuses me that people will come up with gameplay-based rationalizations for griefing, and then they all go on to use the word "carebear" as an invective. If it's funny to you to imagine a grown man whining over the destruction of his virtual property, it's equally sad to me that you derive your self-worth from destroying said virtual property.
The best PVPers don't brag, because they're actually fighting people who want to fight.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.04.30 01:03:00 -
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The best PVPers don't brag, because they're actually fighting people who want to fight.
Indeed! The best PvPers play WOW.
EVE is based around non consensual PVP.
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Shakari Sween
Gallente
Entropians on Vacation
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Posted - 2008.04.30 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Indeed! The best PvPers play WOW.
EVE is based around non consensual PVP.
no, the best pvpers in wow just win trade and sell arena points and are worse than eve carebears.
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Spaztick
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Posted - 2008.04.30 07:11:00 -
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Please tell me where you mission run and what ship you fly. It would be helpful if you listed any officer/deadspace mods as well.
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Rellana
DAB
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Posted - 2008.04.30 07:39:00 -
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I've had no problems in my missions,but I don't run out of a mission hub or anywhere near one.Also if you use drones they make you easier to scan out,so watch what enters your mission/s and if anything warps in,warp out,as I'm usually aligned to a random planet just to be safe.
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Juana Morlaine
MX3 Development
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.30 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rellana
I've had no problems in my missions,but I don't run out of a mission hub or anywhere near one.Also if you use drones they make you easier to scan out,so watch what enters your mission/s and if anything warps in,warp out,as I'm usually aligned to a random planet just to be safe.
Naaaah you cant do that, since OP stated clearly that it is his mission including but not limited to all loot laying around. Ego prohibits warpign out from your possessions. Instead you shoot, get podded, whine on board rince repeat.
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Klandi
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Posted - 2008.04.30 10:58:00 -
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I wish to relate my mains personal experience to this ......
I was in my faction fitted CNR coming back from a kill mission to Irjunen, warped thru the gate and was blown away by a group of AAA gankers.
They got my Gist X - XL SB, a couple of Thons BCU, Serpentis sensor booster, Navy Cruise Missile launchers etc.
Now - I'm not too worried ...NOT because I can't replace them easily but because this game is just a game and this game is not about isk or mods but about people that you meet and interact with.
This annoyed me for the same reason that a burgular in RL comes in to ur house and steals ur stuff - gets caught then sues u for loss of earnings .......
I spent MANY hours (over 9 mths) of lvl4 missions to build up the isk to buy those mods cos they helped me do the job of making isk to buy other ships so I can enjoy the game in the way I wish to. The time spent is the true thing I was robbed of and my sense of fairness (or lack of it) within the game frustrates me. BUT
I cannot do anything about it so I learn...
I will (at times) do missions in a CNR cos I like the 7 launcher slots. It WILL be t2 fitted and in the case of the shield booster, best named t1 and I will not be concerned if I get ganked cos that is the game.
I will not be replacing the expensive stuff as I dont wish to fund those that wish to capitalise from lazyness and lack of retribution...
btw - what would happen to the price of those expensive mods, if ppl refused to buy them ......
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Spud Gunn
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Posted - 2008.04.30 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Klandi
I spent MANY hours (over 9 mths) of lvl4 missions to build up the isk to buy those mods cos they helped me do the job of making isk to buy other ships so I can enjoy the game in the way I wish to. The time spent is the true thing I was robbed of and my sense of fairness (or lack of it) within the game frustrates me.
Do you think those gankers gain any less pleasure from ruining people's days than you do from running missions? How can you judge them for enjoying the game the way they wish to? For all you know, they felt equally robbed and their sense of fairness offended when all your shiny stuff blew up with your wreck and they only got the crappy mods they didn't want...
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.04.30 12:54:00 -
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btw - what would happen to the price of those expensive mods, if ppl refused to buy them ......
They would slowly drop in price as more of the mods come to the market and less are bought.
It's unlikely to happen though.
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Klandi
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Posted - 2008.04.30 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Spud Gunn
For all you know, they felt equally robbed and their sense of fairness offended when all your shiny stuff blew up with your wreck and they only got the crappy mods they didn't want...
I hope they were offended by the crappy Gist X Type XL Shield Booster and the equally crappy 2xThons BCU ..... (todays value of 3.5 bil isk)
I will expect you to transfer that amount into my wallet just to show... no - dont do that. You are most probably an ISK seller ......
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.04.30 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 30/04/2008 13:33:25
Originally by: Spud Gunn
Originally by: Klandi
I spent MANY hours (over 9 mths) of lvl4 missions to build up the isk to buy those mods cos they helped me do the job of making isk to buy other ships so I can enjoy the game in the way I wish to. The time spent is the true thing I was robbed of and my sense of fairness (or lack of it) within the game frustrates me.
Do you think those gankers gain any less pleasure from ruining people's days than you do from running missions? How can you judge them for enjoying the game the way they wish to? For all you know, they felt equally robbed and their sense of fairness offended when all your shiny stuff blew up with your wreck and they only got the crappy mods they didn't want...
Lol. That's a damn weak argument you've got going there. A trolling attempt and not much more. Reminds me of the rl thieves that accused their victim of whatever injury they sustained all by themselves while breaking into the victims house.
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Spud Gunn
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Posted - 2008.04.30 14:30:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Qui Shon
Lol. That's a damn weak argument you've got going there. A trolling attempt and not much more. Reminds me of the rl thieves that accused their victim of whatever injury they sustained all by themselves while breaking into the victims house.
If the devs wanted to eliminate highsec suicide ganking, they would have done it long ago - lord knows there's enough people that complain about it. As it is, it's not only possible, it's quite easy to do with a bit of teamwork. It would be very, very easy to make attacking in highsec completely impossible outside of wardec situations, and the fact that it hasn't been removed is implicit approval that it's a legitimate way of playing.
FWIW, I think highsec ganking is pretty weak - but if you're going to fly around in a faction-fitted battleship, you must know what you're letting yourself in for. Not only does it keep people on their toes and stops them getting too comfortable, it keeps the market moving, as it ensures a constant demand for new ships and modules. And if those officer modules didn't get blown up, it would have very serious effects on the economy - stuff getting destroyed is one of the few major ways that isk (in the case of officer modules, large amounts of it) gets permanently taken out of the economy, and since there's a constant supply of new money (agent rewards and bounties) inflation would eventually run rampant.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.04.30 17:48:00 -
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Well, that's already much better. A real statement, instead of a joke.
My beef with suiciding is that it's free, or almost free. It should cost something. There should be some risk to it. Currently, unless they've changed something in the last couple months that I've been away, there is neither risk nor cost to suiciding, if you put in a minimum of effort and planning.
People who keep quoting 20-40mil / BS used to "suicide" with (or 100, even!) are either talking out of their asses, or don't care about cost effectiveness enough to spend 10 minutes looking at alternatives.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Naval Protection Corp
Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.04.30 18:31:00 -
[49]
Safe, bahaha. That's a funny word.
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Moors
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Posted - 2008.04.30 20:21:00 -
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Look... PVP'ers make isk from loot in 00 or wherever they fly. Mostly tech 2 mods and occasional crappy faction mod drops. PVP every day a few mods here and there = slow going most of the time.
High Sec.... Carebears everywhere with way to much isk from never experiencing losses on a regular basis. So they fit the best they can when they feel like it till they are flying around a faction bs that is worth 5 - 15 billion isk.
So... Killing peeps isnt any different than any other day but the payday is. Its not about you or your time and frustration about what it takes to replace. Its about the wallet plain and simple.
IF.... Your ship looks like this $$$$$$$$$$$$$ be prepared its coming. Your ship looks like $ then have fun and pay attention, gankers are everywhere.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.04.30 20:25:00 -
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I wonder if a T2 fitted CNR is worth it. I wanna get one buy CNR seems like a flying around in a big "Hey shoot me" sign.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.30 20:59:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
In my experience a lot of PVPers, particularly the griefing kind that are just in it for the laughs, are the people who buy their ISK out of game.
You must be joking, right? It's the mission runners who most often buy ISK out of game. Month-old characters flying Navy Ravens, come on.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.04.30 21:28:00 -
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Well some ppl seem to get insanely lucky, like picking up DG invulns from GE3 (as they told me) or random ppl contracting raven BPOs to them for free and the likes lolz.
Sounds like a load of *******s to me but meh. Without help I think it is rather impossible to get itno a CNR within a month.
I don't even know if u can get access to lvl 4 that fast, seeing as a raven/cnr is rather pointless for lvl 3 missions.
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Klandi
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Posted - 2008.04.30 21:43:00 -
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Joe
Need better facts - EveMon states it takes 46days 4hrs to fly a Caldari BS to the required level (II) and that is without learning, missile, shield, BCU and sensor skills
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Aeryl Firebrand
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Posted - 2008.04.30 22:02:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Quote:
The best PVPers don't brag, because they're actually fighting people who want to fight.
Indeed! The best PvPers play WOW.
EVE is based around non consensual PVP.
Well, neither one of those statements is correct. WoW PVP is lame for the most part. The best PVPers play FPS games. But, I was talking about EVE PVPers anyway. And the game is not based around non-consentual PVP, that's just an option. You wouldn't have gigantic areas of 0.0 space up for grabs if the main focus of the game was pirating and griefing.
I have no problem with PVP. It's fun. If you go into low-sec or null-sec, you should expect it. However, suicide ganking people just for kicks is dumb.
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.04.30 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 30/04/2008 22:33:30
What I've enjoyed in all this is the assumption that mission runners do nothing but run missions, and therefore have "nothing to spend their iskies on".
Sorry, I didn't realise a 16 billion manufacturing businesswhich requires many many more billions to ever achieve it's full potential, amounted to 'nothing'  . I mission run in between weekly manufacturing line changes.
True, *some* mission runners do nothing but mission run. Took me a while to realise there's better ways to spend your SP than on Cruise Missile spec 5,, but I think it's a grossly inaccurate statement to say that people who mission run have nothing else to spend their ISK on.
EDIT: For the record, I've never had hi sec missions probed out. Only low ones, and that's pretty normal to me.
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Max Nero
Xeno Tech Corp
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.01 05:15:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Aeryl Firebrand
Edited by: Aeryl Firebrand on 30/04/2008 00:33:16
It always amuses me that people will come up with gameplay-based rationalizations for griefing, and then they all go on to use the word "carebear" as an invective. If it's funny to you to imagine a grown man whining over the destruction of his virtual property, it's equally sad to me that you derive your self-worth from destroying said virtual property.
The best PVPers don't brag, because they're actually fighting people who want to fight.
Please, do tell us how to play. What you see as perverted act of griefing on a defenseless mission runner (4b in mods and all), someone else sees as an opportunity to profit. Those elite PVP'ers who fight people who want to fight need to replace their ships somehow you know...
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Max Nero
Xeno Tech Corp
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.01 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Well, that's already much better. A real statement, instead of a joke.
My beef with suiciding is that it's free, or almost free. It should cost something. There should be some risk to it. Currently, unless they've changed something in the last couple months that I've been away, there is neither risk nor cost to suiciding, if you put in a minimum of effort and planning.
People who keep quoting 20-40mil / BS used to "suicide" with (or 100, even!) are either talking out of their asses, or don't care about cost effectiveness enough to spend 10 minutes looking at alternatives.
How many suicide ganks have you personally participated in? From my personal experience, 30 mil sounds about right, where do you get your numbers?
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.05.01 06:12:00 -
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Raven: 88 Million
Insurance: 32 Million
6* Torp Launchers = Hahaaha,, Lets be kind and say 1 mil.
300 Rounds of Faction Torps = 1 mil.
Total Cost: 124 million.
Insurance payout: 108 million.
Total Cost: 16 million.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.01 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 01/05/2008 08:54:17
I have never owned a Raven, but right now I feel like... like.. like have to buy a Navy Raven. Loadong it up fully with crappy unnamed Tech 1 Mods and the Cargo Hold with 10k Bookmarks.
Then I will cruise around Mission Hubs and laugh everytime I am scanned on a Gate or at a station.
Edit:
And to add Spice to the idea, I think every BM will be named: "Rickrolled"
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